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Old 08-31-2005, 04:54 PM
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Do I dare ask? Weigh in on your thoughts about Katrina

I was watching the news last night and I heard someone make a comment that my husband has been making for years now... why do people build up these big cities when they know they are in harms ways due to hurricanes? I mean it is like playing Russian Roulette. So do you guys think we should rebuild these cities or should people move further inland and use the coastline as more of a vacation spot? Should the tax payers keep doling out money for those who CHOOSE to live in spots such as these? I mean it is not IF they will get hit, it is WHEN will they get hit. I am not sure of my own feelings but it kind of makes sense to me to move out of such dire danger.

Before I get blasted my heart bleeds for all those affected by Katrina. I will be donating and I pray daily for them. I don't wish any ill on anyone and I am full of compassion for those who have lost lives and or property. I just wonder what should be done? What do we learn from all this? Is there a better answer than what we have been doing?

This could be quite a big can of worms to debate, but I am curious to others thoughts on this subject.
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Old 08-31-2005, 04:55 PM
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No, don't rebuild unless we've found a way to prevent this - not something depending on those fragile levees, something to stop New Orleans from continuing to sink.
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Old 08-31-2005, 04:58 PM
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A lot to think about Anngelique, good questions.

I always felt uneasy when I was in California - worrying about 'the big one' but no one else seemed to care.
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Old 08-31-2005, 10:55 PM
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A lot to think about Anngelique, good questions.

I always felt uneasy when I was in California - worrying about 'the big one' but no one else seemed to care.

hi cass, welcome back! for me living here in 'the big one' country', i don't worry about earthquakes. i put it in the same catagory as getting in a car accident. if it happens, it happens. although i was out of town when the 1989 loma prieta quake hit, i might sing a different tune if i was in that one!
Anngelique, don't know the answer, but i do know if there was a major earthquake here every 2 or 3 years, i would be living somewhere safer.
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Old 08-31-2005, 11:01 PM
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Hurricanes, and New Orleans are two different things. I'm OK with rebuilding in a hurricane area - there's too much hurricane area, and they can hit almost anywhere. But rebuilding an area below sea level, with two big bodies of water held back by a few levees, in an area that gets hurricanes that makes it highly probable that the levees will break sometimes (this wasn't the worst case - they didn't get a direct hit, and it wasn't a cat 5) - I think that is just asking for it - like building a house on a flood plain - it shouldn't be done. If it is, we shouldn't pay for the new house to be built there.
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Old 08-31-2005, 11:33 PM
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Go here:

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This is an excellent video on what happened with this levy.

Click on the video on the RIGHT-HAND side of the page titled
"Understanding New Orleans Floods"
I don't know how long this video will be here, but I just watched it, so it's still up.
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Old 08-31-2005, 11:36 PM
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I just had a big long story about our flood ready to post and deleted it. I told myself... "keep it simple - stupid."

People should have a choice about where they build, but safety should always come first. In our area one is not permitted to build in a floodplain. But any older homes that exist can be sold. Of course, if you buy in such an area, you must buy flood insurance...and it isn't cheap. That's why I am atop a hill, overlooking 2 creeks, I have jokingly said for years that if the creek gets this high, there's a whole lot of people in BIG trouble. But in 1996 I was seriously preparing to head even higher.

Mother Nature is fickle. So many possibilities of disasters, it's all about safety and being prepared.

Another thought I had tonight...when disasters happen around the world the good ole USA is always one of the first ones out there to lend a helping hand...are we getting any offers of aid from other countries?

My heart goes out to all those people, young and old. God bless them all, and get those children some food and water.
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Old 08-31-2005, 04:58 PM
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I'm interested in this subject. Very. For now, I'll just say that while I was (and am) shocked and horrified at the devastation, some engineers I know are only horrified. Before the levees broke, they were predicting this.
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Old 08-31-2005, 05:03 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167790,00.html

Here is a good article to think about. Earthquakes are not near as seasonal and regular as hurricanes and normally the damage is not near as wide spread or devastating.
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Old 08-31-2005, 05:07 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167790,00.html

Here is a good article to think about. Earthquakes are not near as seasonal and regular as hurricanes and normally the damage is not near as wide spread or devastating.
Same with tornados. While they can be devastating, the damage is actually very limited.
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Old 08-31-2005, 05:46 PM
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Fast Facts: Deadliest U.S. Hurricanes

Fast Facts: Deadliest U.S. Hurricanes

The deadliest hurricanes to hit the continental United States since 1900, listed by name or nickname, location, year, category and number of deaths, according to the Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory. Hurricanes in the North Atlantic Ocean were first named in 1950. Categories range from 1, the least severe, to 5.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167305,00.html
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Old 08-31-2005, 10:30 PM
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Same with tornados. While they can be devastating, the damage is actually very limited.

yes mabel, why is it tornados only hit trailer parks?
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Old 08-31-2005, 04:57 PM
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Everyplace is prone to one type of natural disaster or another. We rebuild California after earthquakes, the midwest after tornados, fires in the southwest and Northeast and the coast after hurricanes.

If or when a hurricane hits me you bet I will be here rebuilding ASAP.
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Everyplace is prone to one type of natural disaster or another. We rebuild California after earthquakes, the midwest after tornados, fires in the southwest and Northeast and the coast after hurricanes.

If or when a hurricane hits me you bet I will be here rebuilding ASAP.
Exactly. By the time we all move out of the Western states (earthquakes and threat of tsunamis), the Midwest (tornadoes, floods and blizzards), and the Gulf and East Coasts (the obvious), where are we all going to live?
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Old 09-01-2005, 01:56 AM
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absolutely, no question about it

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Exactly. By the time we all move out of the Western states (earthquakes and threat of tsunamis), the Midwest (tornadoes, floods and blizzards), and the Gulf and East Coasts (the obvious), where are we all going to live?
NOLA must be rebuilt, the question is:

do we have the national treasure and will to do it properly?
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Old 09-01-2005, 08:48 PM
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I was watching the news last night and I heard someone make a comment that my husband has been making for years now... why do people build up these big cities when they know they are in harms ways due to hurricanes? I mean it is like playing Russian Roulette. So do you guys think we should rebuild these cities or should people move further inland and use the coastline as more of a vacation spot? Should the tax payers keep doling out money for those who CHOOSE to live in spots such as these? I mean it is not IF they will get hit, it is WHEN will they get hit. I am not sure of my own feelings but it kind of makes sense to me to move out of such dire danger.

Before I get blasted my heart bleeds for all those affected by Katrina. I will be donating and I pray daily for them. I don't wish any ill on anyone and I am full of compassion for those who have lost lives and or property. I just wonder what should be done? What do we learn from all this? Is there a better answer than what we have been doing?

This could be quite a big can of worms to debate, but I am curious to others thoughts on this subject.

New Orleans is a very old city. Older than the USA! Although the location and altitude do leave a LOT to be desired, this is a tremendously important port city. New Orleans is a hub of art and oil businesses. It is inconceivable to me that it will not be rebuilt.

A little history......New Orleans was founded in 1718 by Jean Baptiste Le Moyne, sieur de Bienville, and named for the regent of France, Philippe II, duc d'Orleans. It remained a French colony until 1763, when it was transferred to the Spanish. In 1800, Spain ceded it back to France; in 1803, New Orleans, along with the entire Louisiana Purchase, was sold by Napoleon I to the United States.

One of my ancestors was a governor of New Orleans way back, way, way back. I cannot believe that New Orleans will cease to exist!
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