Inconsistencies

maya.morgen · #1 04-04-2008, 10:39 AM

just wanted to point one out,i bet there are a LOT of these....

Q. (By Mr. Kane) Here's a question

20 that was not asked, Mrs. Ramsey. Did you

21 dress JonBenet Christmas Day?

22 A. I can't remember.

23 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mrs. Ramsey, do

24 you know whether or not she changed her

25 underwear Christmas Day?

0103

1 A. I don't know.

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Q. (By Mr. Levin) Did you help

13 JonBenet get dressed for the Whites'

14 Christmas Day '96?

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. Did you do this by yourself or

17 did John help you too?

18 A. No, John did not help me

Solace · #2 04-04-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by maya.morgen

just wanted to point one out,i bet there are a LOT of these....

Q. (By Mr. Kane) Here's a question

20 that was not asked, Mrs. Ramsey. Did you

21 dress JonBenet Christmas Day?

22 A. I can't remember.

23 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mrs. Ramsey, do

24 you know whether or not she changed her

25 underwear Christmas Day?

0103

1 A. I don't know.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Q. (By Mr. Levin) Did you help

13 JonBenet get dressed for the Whites'

14 Christmas Day '96?

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. Did you do this by yourself or

17 did John help you too?

18 A. No, John did not help me

Very good Maya. The woman is an out and out liar and whenever she is questioned by anyone representing the police, inevitably, her answers are I don't remember. Is someone really going to forget whether or not they dressed their child before they went out that evening, six hours before she was killed. I would think the mother would miss her child so much that helping her get dressed would be one of those memories that brings tears to her eyes. But Patsy does not remember.

Ames · #3 04-04-2008, 08:18 PM

Yeah, good catch! I wonder though..if the first part that you wrote in blue font...where it says...Christmas Day....maybe he means that MORNING. He really wasn't specific.

JMO8778 · #4 04-04-2008, 09:24 PM

Either way...it appears they're trying to see if there is an explanation for evidence from JR found on JB.Whether this was before his fiber evidence came in or not, I don't know.
But do keep in mind,the R's book DOI came out right before ST's JonBenet did.In it,JR was already trying to account for his underwear fibers beside JB's bed,near the phone where they dialed 911,as well as his prints on the walk-in fridge and night vision goggles (and the broken window too,of course).Not knowing what Thomas's book was going to say,it appears he was trying to cover a few bases before the fact.
The only thing I recall that stood out to me in Thomas' book,as far as that type of evidence goes, was something about several spots being found on the carpet near JB's bed,but what exactly what the spots were was never revealed.
In PMPT,it is said that JB's body was 'tented' and covered with a super-glue type substance in an attempt to find prints on her.Only one was found,and who's it was wasn't ever revealed,as far as I know.

DeeDee249 · #5 04-04-2008, 10:34 PM

I had read both of those things before- that a print had been found by the coroner and he chose not to include it in his notes. Hmmm.
And that there was something found on the rug in JBR's bedroom, and a piece of the rug was removed. I had read it was urine. I also think I recall that urine was found on the carpet outside the wineceller door. Anyone else remember this?

Ames · #6 04-04-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DeeDee249

I had read both of those things before- that a print had been found by the coroner and he chose not to include it in his notes. Hmmm.
And that there was something found on the rug in JBR's bedroom, and a piece of the rug was removed. I had read it was urine. I also think I recall that urine was found on the carpet outside the wineceller door. Anyone else remember this?

I read somewhere that Patsy "pretended" to vomit (from being so "upset") on the carpet the morning that JB was "missing". But, later...the vomit was tested and that it was old...and that Patsy was trying to make it look like it was hers, from that morning. I think that is a load of bull though, because the pineapple wouldn't have been in JB's stomach, if it had of been HER that vomited, and I can't think of anyone elses that Patsy would have tried to cover up.

maya.morgen · #7 04-05-2008, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DeeDee249

I had read both of those things before- that a print had been found by the coroner and he chose not to include it in his notes. Hmmm.
And that there was something found on the rug in JBR's bedroom, and a piece of the rug was removed. I had read it was urine. I also think I recall that urine was found on the carpet outside the wineceller door. Anyone else remember this?

i remember reading that a piece of rug was cut and removed but i don't remember hearing what was found on it...

trixie · #8 04-05-2008, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DeeDee249

I had read both of those things before- that a print had been found by the coroner and he chose not to include it in his notes. Hmmm.
And that there was something found on the rug in JBR's bedroom, and a piece of the rug was removed. I had read it was urine. I also think I recall that urine was found on the carpet outside the wineceller door. Anyone else remember this?

Yes I have also read that urine was found on the rug outside the winecellar door. Isn't that why they thought that's where she was strangled? That and pieces of the carpeting on her face or something.

trixie · #9 04-05-2008, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ames

Yeah, good catch! I wonder though..if the first part that you wrote in blue font...where it says...Christmas Day....maybe he means that MORNING. He really wasn't specific.

JB didn't get dressed to go to the Whites until later in the day, in the afternoon. I guess that's why he said "day".

maya.morgen · #10 04-05-2008, 09:29 AM

i'm sorry but this is ABSURD:

from DOI

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"Both of us race to Burke's room at the far end of the second floor and find him apparently still sleep. Best not to arouse him until we figure out what's happening here, I think. He's better off asleep for now. I step into the hall."

in THAT situation you don't wake him up IMMEDIATELY to ask him if he knows something???????????

this is unbelievable......i'll NEVER buy this.....

maya.morgen · #11 04-05-2008, 11:12 AM

http://crimemagazine.com/solvingjbr-main.htm

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In the course of the interview with Patsy Ramsey, prosecutors asserted that investigators had found:

Fibers on the sticky side of the duct tape John Ramsey removed from his daughter's mouth when he says he discovered her body in the basement wine cellar that are "identical" to fibers in the red sweater-jacket Patsy was photographed wearing at a Christmas dinner at a friends' house the previous day.

Fibers from the same type of jacket in the paint tray from which a brush was taken that was used to help fashion the ligature found around JonBenet's neck.

Fibers from the same type of jacket "tied into" the ligature.

Fibers from the same type of black wool shirt made in Israel that John Ramsey wore to the Christmas dinner "in" the panties JonBenet was wearing when she found and in her "crotch area."

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THE PANTIES - John Ramsey told investigator Smit in his 1998 interview that while he had carried a sleeping JonBenet to bed after the family returned from their Christmas Day outing, he did not undress her. Patsy did. Patsy confirmed that. There is, therefore, no obvious way to explain why fibers from the type of shirt John was wearing when he says he put her to bed were found in her underpants and "crotch area."

Ames · #12 04-05-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by maya.morgen

i'm sorry but this is ABSURD:

from DOI

in THAT situation you don't wake him up IMMEDIATELY to ask him if he knows something???????????

this is unbelievable......i'll NEVER buy this.....

You are right...it IS ABSURD! ANY parent would have immediately woke up a sibling, to find out if they saw or heard ANYTHING. The RN said that they were being monitored...so...what if they were hiding in BURKE'S ROOM!!!?!?!?! Get the boy up...and drag him down the stairs...and while you are doing it...ask him as many questions as you can think of. BUT NO....Burkey boy was TIRED...they had to let him get his rest. That was obviously more important to them than finding their MISSING DAUGHTER.

Ames · #13 04-05-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by trixie

JB didn't get dressed to go to the Whites until later in the day, in the afternoon. I guess that's why he said "day".

My point is...he never specified whether he was talking about JB getting ready after she woke up, or before the White's Party.

maya.morgen · #14 04-05-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ames

My point is...he never specified whether he was talking about JB getting ready after she woke up, or before the White's Party.

yeah,my opinion is,after reading the interview,that the second time he wanted to trick her.....and he did.....she replied something else to the SAME question....

UKGuy · #15 04-05-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ames

Yeah, good catch! I wonder though..if the first part that you wrote in blue font...where it says...Christmas Day....maybe he means that MORNING. He really wasn't specific.

Ames,
JonBenet was not dressed Xmas Morning she opened her presents in her night-clothes, she had her photo taken with Patsy still not dressed. She likely never dressed until she went out on her bike around dinner time?

Patsy knew where the interview was heading ..

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Ames · #16 04-05-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by UKGuy

Ames,
JonBenet was not dressed Xmas Morning she opened her presents in her night-clothes, she had her photo taken with Patsy still not dressed. She likely never dressed until she went out on her bike around dinner time?

Patsy knew where the interview was heading ..

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This is actually the time that I was referring to...when I said that this is the time that he COULD have been referring to, in the first interview that was posted in blue.. Maybe both times he was talking about before the Party, though. All I was saying is that he wasn't specific.

UKGuy · #17 04-05-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ames

This is actually the time that I was referring to...when I said that this is the time that he COULD have been referring to, in the first interview that was posted in blue.. Maybe both times he was talking about before the Party, though. All I was saying is that he wasn't specific.

Ames,
Sure, but they knew that the size-12's were out of place so wanted specifically to know if JonBenet had changed her underwear e.g. size-12's. In the other interview they are locking her into a version of events that exclude John from being in a position to deposit his shirt fibers onto JonBenet's genitals.

Solace · #18 04-07-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ames

Yeah, good catch! I wonder though..if the first part that you wrote in blue font...where it says...Christmas Day....maybe he means that MORNING. He really wasn't specific.

This is true Ames, but I do not believe for a second that she would forget whether or not she helped JB get dressed that morning OR before they went to the Whites. She would not forget it - it would be written in her mind as one of her last memories.

Salem · #19 06-15-2008, 08:36 PM

This is something I found because of a different thread and thought some of you might want to take a look at it. It was kind of fun looking around the site.

http://www.*************.com/ramsey.htm

Have fun,

Salem

DeeDee249 · #20 06-15-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Salem

This is something I found because of a different thread and thought some of you might want to take a look at it. It was kind of fun looking around the site.

http://www.*************.com/ramsey.htm

Have fun,

Salem

That was really interesting. Reminded me of the "Paul is dead" thing with the Beatles in the 70s.

JMO8778 · #21 06-15-2008, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Salem

This is something I found because of a different thread and thought some of you might want to take a look at it. It was kind of fun looking around the site.

http://www.*************.com/ramsey.htm

Have fun,

Salem

it is an interesting site.Mark McClish's statement analysis is a good one,too.

www.statementanalysis.com/cases/

What is interesting is I also applied this to some of the ufo 'alien abduction' cases,and,(no surprise there),they came out as lies.But then if you study those using true crime techniques,it's easy to see how their stories are fakes.Some of them run like clockwork..just one lie after another.
Some of those are from ppl whom you wouldn't normally think would lie..but the evidence is there.I think ppl forget that no one is accusing them of any type of crime...only of being guilty of lying.