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Old 12-04-2008, 09:01 PM
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:49 PM
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When I was in high school, I took a general psychology class and, as an assignment, we were to write a paper and make a presentation about a serial killer of our choice. My partner and I did ours on Henry Lee Lucas and Ottis Toole.

They're active years are between 1960 (specific to Henry, when he killed his mother) to 1983 when they were arrested.

The problem with Henry is that he was constantly lying. He confessed to over 600 murders, but only 6 have been confirmed. He and Ottis claimed that, on their lazy days, they would hit hitchhikers with their vehicle because they didn't feel like getting out of the car. Henry and Ottis were all over the South in the 1970's and 1980's. Ottis was from Jacksonville FLA and Henry from Virginia.

It makes for a promising attack, since they both killed men and women, and targeted hitch hikers and drifters. However, the state of the bodies prove it wasn't Henry.

Henry preferred necrophilia. Ottis was a cannibal. The bodies weren't sexually assaulted or, to put it bluntly, eaten. I also believe that Henry didn't use guns. I could be mistaken, but I believe he preferred strangulation.

Just thinking out load. I know these two have already been ruled out.

Pee Wee Gaskin is another serial killer that's been ruled out, as he was arrested in 1975. To my knowledge, these are the only two serial killers in the area around the time.
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Old 12-06-2008, 09:03 AM
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Youshouldve....I tell you, it really makes me angry when children, teenagers and pregnant women are murdered.

This was so brutal, so very cold, done to innocent people by these evil deviants!
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Old 12-07-2008, 08:39 AM
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Guys, Has anyone mentioned 'our unnamed couple' should have had at-least 3 high school class reunions by now?

Why hasn't any of their class-mates/students from school, College or Church asked questions bout these 2 lovely people not being in touch with any school mates, friends, family, grandparents or attending their class reunions?

This makes me think this couple, just out of college, my guess is the school teacher, was possibly recruited and working 'undercover' for state, federal, CIA, drug enforcement DEA or other...

thus the reason for them staying in the I-95 area for several weeks, or longer. No one really knows how long they stayed around there, at the KOA or where else?
People don't stay in areas and not talk to people and make friends....they have to eat, so what about the grocery stores in that small Santee area of less than 500 people?

Did Barney Fife put down his coffee long enough to ask questions or follow the KOA or pistol lead?? It's hard to solve a case when leads aren't followed...
I've always heard the ole saying, "LE officials are like "cats in a sand box", always covering their S**t ???

Quote: The ugly truth is most local law enforcement agencies have never possessed the resources or manpower to crack bizarre cases, though the small town of Sumter has seen its fair share of those, being home to serial killer Donald 'Pee Wee' Gaskins Jr. There are more than 20 unsolved cases in Sumter County.
These two killings are among the oldest.

Working 'under cover' would explain the obvious cover-up, If the couple had leads on WHO was running drugs through this area, back and forth between Race tracks and racers, and someone 'important' or in LE was involved.
Making it necessary to make sure all leads to their identify and what they were doing there was erased....

Who knows, maybe their parents was sent a letter, by the people involved in the cover up and told a Lie about their children's disappearance/ deaths, so NO questions would ever be asked, pictures posted or fingers pointed.

Although my first theory is the couple was from some other country.

Can You Guys think of other reasons the family, friends and school mates would NOT try to find/ get in touch with either of these 2 people, over the years??....
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:53 AM
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Notice Darlington is where many races are run. What was Henry doing in the Darlington race track area carrying his gun??

I'm sure L. Henry needed money since his wife was in the Monroe hospital. Yet the questions remain as to Why le let this man 'off the hook' so easily when it was a FELONY.

The Gun Control Act of 1968 it is a federal crime and a FELONY....for anyone that alters the serial number from a gun.
L. Henry ADMITTED to removing the serial numbers from his .357 S&W himself.
The law indicates its a crime to just be in possesion of an altered gun.
He was in possesion of his gun, the murder weapon.
He finally admits to being the one to alter the gun and he was pulled over for DUI, which is how they found the gun, but they just let him go because he couldnt have done it because he was at the hospital with his wife that night....Henry was never forced to explain how the gun left his possession long enough to commit the murders OR who returned it to him....if anyone..


Did Henry name the nurse or family member that sat or stayed ALL Sunday night with him (L. Henry) at the hospital...I would bet he can't... and Le says a 2 hour drive to the murder scene is too far for this guy to have driven, in the middle of a Sunday night...Hmmmm!.....I suspect he left the hospital Sunday evening inorder to be at work that Monday morning...Was he at work Monday morning ?

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About four months after the murders, police in the Darlington County town of Latta arrested Lonnie George Henry for drunk driving. Under the seat of his car they found a .38-caliber Smith & Wesson with the serial number filed off.
Police sent the gun to the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division's forensic lab for tests and later concluded that Henry's revolver had killed the mystery couple. Bullets taken from the bodies matched with the weapon.

When officers asked Henry point blank if he was the killer, his polygraph said he was telling the truth. No, he hadn't pulled the trigger.
But several other lie detector tests implied he was lying about something, at least, maybe covering up for somebody. Investigators wondered if someone had stolen his gun and whether a relative or friend of Henry's had killed the couple in Sumter.
But case files say Henry did lie about how he'd obtained the gun, first telling officers that he'd bought it from a truck driver. Days after the purchase, Henry told investigators, he discovered the serial number had been filed off. By then, it was too late to return the item for a refund.
SLED recovered the serial number and investigators tracked the gun from its manufacturer to Henry's Brother, who said he gave it to Henry as a Christmas present four or five years earlier.

The gun had been bought, stolen and resold several times BEFORE falling into the hands of Henry's brother. But he said the serial number was still there on Christmas Eve.

When confronted with the new information, Henry confessed to filing the serial numbers off himself.
It remains unclear why Henry lied IF he was innocent.

And it also remains unclear if he really was. Case files say Henry was a recovering alcoholic and had also gotten in trouble with the law for a slew of minor offenses.
At the time, his son had recently drowned in the Pee Dee River. He'd also accidentally killed one of his co-workers, by backing a dump truck over him.

Investigative psychologists even wondered if he'd killed the Sumter couple and simply couldn't remember doing it...
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Old 12-18-2008, 08:29 AM
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Notice Darlington is where many races are run. What was Henry doing in the Darlington race track area carrying his gun?? .
Latta--the town where he was arrested at isn't in Darlington County--it's in Dillon County. And carrying a gun in a rural part of SC wasn't unusual then--or now.
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Old 12-07-2008, 11:45 AM
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Can You Guys think of other reasons the family, friends and school mates would NOT try to find/ get in touch with either of these 2 people, over the years??....

Some people just don't care much about reunions and keeping in touch with old high school and college friends. I shouldn't say they don't care, but for instance, I don't plan on going to my high school reunion. My college doesn't do reunions. There's no particular reason why I don't want to go, but mostly I feel like the people I cared most about in high school are still with me today.

I'm sure that if a reunion was held (a lot of high schools just do 25 year reunions, and not every 10 years - that's the way my parent's high school did it) the fellow classmates assume they were off being professionals and didn't have time off.

I can't think of any way to narrow down schools without knowing the location one or both of these people were from.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:08 AM
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Our mystery couple was murdered Sunday night, August 9, 1976 in S.C...

and this young boy disappeared Thursday, Aug. 13, 1976 while visiting in Florida..... all unsolved....

This is Miami's old missing child case. Paul Allard went missing on 8-13-1976 at age 14. It would make him almost 48 possibly 49.

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If the unidentified male, John Doe, was the son of a prominent doctor in Canada and his initials were JPF I found 2 prominent doctors from Canada.

1) Claude Fortier b. 6-11-21 d. 4-22-86
2) Frank Clarke Fraser b. 3-29-20
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Why didn't John and Jane Doe have any wallets or ID on them at the time? My guess is that whoever murdered them took their wallet with any ID or money and because of that we don't know who these two victims are.
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Has anyone suggested putting an Ad in the American Medical Journal and in a Medical Journal in Canada, also?
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Has anyone suggested putting an Ad in the American Medical Journal and in a Medical Journal in Canada, also?
I don't remember anyone suggesting it but I think it's a good idea.
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Old 12-18-2008, 03:25 PM
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From what I recall, he and his wife lived in NC and not SC. That's where they raised their family. If I'm mistaken, or if anyone can add the name (I believe it's Anson or Ansonborough, but that's a street here in Charleston, so I might be confusing it), please do.

He was a truck driver and often travelled to and through South Carolina. His wife being in a NC hospital isn't all that abnormal considering where they lived. If it were serious or if they needed a specialist, she would have been sent to a larger hospital. I would like to know why she was in the hospital, but I don't know if it's really pertinent to the case.

I also don't think Lonnie did it. I think he knew who did, though.
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For some reason it was stuck in my head he was from SC. So now of course it makes perfect sense to me that if he lived there she would of course been hospitalized there. Thanks for clearing that up for me!

And the results of the lie detector test do seem to indicate that he had some type of knowledge he never chose to share with law enforcement about what happened to this couple.
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Correct me if I'm wrong.
I remember reading Lonnie Henry lived in Wadesboro, N.C...
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Correct me if I'm wrong.
I remember reading Lonnie Henry lived in Wadesboro, N.C...
I'm sure at one time he could have, but the census or obituary listed him from Anson NC which it quite close to Monroe and Charlotte.
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Old 12-25-2008, 09:29 AM
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It's Christmas morning here.
With all the joy of opening presents from under the Christmas tree, my thoughts drifted back to the beautiful young couple murdered in S.C.. If they had not been murdered, they would be having Christmas with their children and loved ones, also.

I'm wishing all of you a happy and healthy 2009...

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Merry Christmas to you all,
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From what I recall, he and his wife lived in NC and not SC. That's where they raised their family. If I'm mistaken, or if anyone can add the name (I believe it's Anson or Ansonborough, but that's a street here in Charleston, so I might be confusing it), please do.

He was a truck driver and often travelled to and through South Carolina. His wife being in a NC hospital isn't all that abnormal considering where they lived.
If it were serious or if they needed a specialist, she would have been sent to a larger hospital. I would like to know why she was in the hospital, but I don't know if it's really pertinent to the case.

I also don't think Lonnie did it. I think he knew who did, though....
Youshould...IF Lonnie didn't shoot the young couple, he certainly knew who did, they had to give him the Smoking Gun back....

I don't understand WHY LE allowed him to get out of the situation so easily.

I read he died in '82 taking the secret with him....
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Ok now...it has been over a year since the forensics lab had the dna in thier lab and were reminded by verna that this needs to be done pronto. Does anyone know what the results yeilded? Has anyone been in contact with Verna? Sorry if repeated post, however I didnt see anything to the effect of DNA coming back or this couple being identified. TIA
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Ok now...it has been over a year since the forensics lab had the dna in thier lab and were reminded by verna that this needs to be done pronto. Does anyone know what the results yeilded? Has anyone been in contact with Verna? Sorry if repeated post, however I didnt see anything to the effect of DNA coming back or this couple being identified. TIA
ShadeTreePI and rmf, who post on here occasionally, are the ones who sometimes make contact with Verna. All I know is that the DNA results haven't come back yet but Verna is soon to leave office. She lost the election last summer and her term is up January 1. I know that one of the members of the Sheriff's Dept was working with her; perhaps after she leaves office he can check on the DNA results at the lab in Texas. I seriously doubt if the guy who got elected Sumter County coroner is going to put any time into this case at all. Verna has been working hard on it because she was involved with the case as an assistant coroner back in 1976 when it happened. I really wish the DNA results at least had come back while Verna was still coroner.
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Old 12-29-2008, 12:21 AM
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I haven't heard anything about the DNA, but I do know that UID cases, especially ones this old, are usually always on the back burner, with new cases coming in all the time and results being required before a certain date.

I can't recall who was in contact with Verna. I'm not the best at making contacts with cases because I tend to figuritively live out of my car for 7 weeks at a time... checking emails and making and recieving phone calls isn't my forte.

If anyone else would like to take on that role, that is, if the person who originally was in contact can't come forth or continue with the case, by all means, give them a call.
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This is all so sad and too bad. You would think with all the time and effort that Verna has put into this case, that her community would support her in her efforts to get to the bottom of who this people are for crying out loud. They exhumed the body, the hardest part is over, I just dont understand all the delaying now. I could see if they were still stuck up in no where's land trying to get an okay to exhume the body. But the hardest part is already done. I dont know the poster who have been in touch with Verna, Rmf? Can someone who knows her contact Verna? Such a sad story, at least if not closure for the family that dont even know they have loved ones dead, there would be answers and closure for Verna. Jmio. Thanks
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The DNA is not back yet. It has been 18 months. I will stay in contact with Verna and the Sheriff and if there are any updates, they'll be posted. Verna does not plan to give up on this case even after she retires.
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The DNA is not back yet. It has been 18 months. I will stay in contact with Verna and the Sheriff and if there are any updates, they'll be posted. Verna does not plan to give up on this case even after she retires.
Thankyou for taking the time out to respond. Cases like these just make you hug your family a little tighter. All so so very sad; On a differant note,
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU! HOPEFULLY, I PRAY THAT 2009 WILL BE THE YEAR THAT THIS COUPLE CAN BE IDENTIFIED AND BE ABLE TO REST IN PEACE FOR ETERNITY.
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This is my first post here. Last night I was directed over here to read on the Caylee Anthony case and this caught my eye. I read everything for hours. I can't imagine how something could have happened so close to my home and it not be something I have ever heard of. One thing is for certain, this couple has haunted me.

I know a little about the racing circuit from that time period as my grandfather (deceased) was a racing hopeful. Drugs were involved with racing. Runs were made with racing cars to various parts of the US (think Dukes of Hazzard). He and my mother (also deceased) traveled from the Midlands of SC to Darlington often. I wonder how connected this couple was to the racing circuit. Or maybe, just maybe, they were just around to go to Myrtle Beach for the bicentennial?

Either way, I agree that these two are probably related. I also have a concern about the owner of the gun. He lived in the area I currently live in. Honestly, this area is full of the "good old boy" nature and it is quite possible that it was known he killed these people, but covered it all up. It is not unusual for anyone to have guns and attempt to hide ownership of them--these people are really afraid their guns will be taken from them.

These are just my observations from living in this area.
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