Brad Conway Press Conference 1/23/09

[DAWN TREADER]

"Conway, who plans to hold a press conference at 3 p.m., said he wants the media to give the Anthonys space. "They're under the same amount of stress that they always have been, maybe more," he said. "They're just trying to cope with the death of Caylee."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-b...5.story?page=2

[MaryAnn]

Originally Posted by DAWN TREADER

"Conway, who plans to hold a press conference at 3 p.m., said he wants the media to give the Anthonys space. "They're under the same amount of stress that they always have been, maybe more," he said. "They're just trying to cope with the death of Caylee."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-b...5.story?page=2

My heart goes out to George. I can't even imagine what he's going through. In addition to mourning Caylee he has to feel some amount of guilt for testifying against Casey even if he knows in his heart she did it. He's in the worst situation imaginable. I think Cindy is stronger and maybe the lies and her believing Casey is innocent is the only thing keeping her from attempting suicide herself.

[LeLe1953]

It is amazing George didn't make Cindy one of the two he alerted about wanting to die. He has so many reasons to be depressed. I wish someone had gotten him into grief counseling months ago. I personally hope the Dr decides it is NOT in George's best interest to see Cindy. I think he needs his distance from her. She pushes & pushes & pushes & just doesnt know when to stop.
My heart goes out to George. He is so heart broken & I think has done so many things to try & keep his family together. I hope he gets all the help he needs & realizes Casey killed her child. I know it must be tearing George apart that he didnt protect that baby. I am not sure anyone could have protected Caylee. George is in my prayers & I am so very sorry this has happened.

[lillygator]

anyone watching?

[secretsquirrel]

Originally Posted by LeLe1953

It is amazing George didn't make Cindy one of the two he alerted about wanting to die. He has so many reasons to be depressed. I wish someone had gotten him into grief counseling months ago. I personally hope the Dr decides it is NOT in George's best interest to see Cindy. I think he needs his distance from her. She pushes & pushes & pushes & just doesnt know when to stop.
My heart goes out to George. He is so heart broken & I think has done so many things to try & keep his family together. I hope he gets all the help he needs & realizes Casey killed her child. I know it must be tearing George apart that he didnt protect that baby. I am not sure anyone could have protected Caylee. George is in my prayers & I am so very sorry this has happened.

No one ever knows what goes on in a relationship but the two people in it. For us to assume otherwise is unfortunate and contributes to this. It's also a bit perplexing that although the stress that Cindy experienced as breadwinner and primary caregiver, household manager is evidenced, that is entirely dismissed as it's much easier (and also quite sexist) to go with the image of the shrill, nagging woman and cast blame based on that. Although I do think many women faced with the same situation of supporting a whole family, may in fact "nag" their husbands for a bit of help, especially if their husbands gambling debts got them there.

[bunnyphoenix1]

[quote=secretsquirrel;3210152]No one ever knows what goes on in a relationship but the two people in it. For us to assume otherwise is unfortunate and contributes to this. It's also a bit perplexing that although the stress that Cindy experienced as breadwinner and primary caregiver, household manager is evidenced, that is entirely dismissed as it's much easier (and also quite sexist) to go with the image of the shrill, nagging woman and cast blame based on that. Although I do think many women faced with the same situation of supporting a whole family, may in fact "nag" their husbands for a bit of help, especially if their husbands gambling debts got them there.[/QUOTE]



I can't believe what I am reading here! The fact is, Cindy has obviously worked very hard all her life, and George, who is not only a full adult, but also a father and grandfather, blew the family's life savings on gambling, scam or women, which Cindy had worked hard for, on the eve of their retirement. Instead of planning for a nice retirement, Cindy, who by all accounts is a good nurse and held down a job and was the breadwinner of the family, had to worry about her family losing the roof over their heads. If they do not respect George, I can understand how that happened. I am no Cindy fan, I believe she is also involved in covering this up, but one thing I do feel sorry for her for, is that she appeared to work very hard and her husband threw it all away. I noticed in the jail discussions George seemed far more excited about the money and jobs being offered to him & Lee than Cindy was. He just smiled away most of the time, like he adored his little Casey. At least Cindy tried to ask some probative questions.

[doglover]

Originally Posted by secretsquirrel

No one ever knows what goes on in a relationship but the two people in it. For us to assume otherwise is unfortunate and contributes to this. It's also a bit perplexing that although the stress that Cindy experienced as breadwinner and primary caregiver, household manager is evidenced, that is entirely dismissed as it's much easier (and also quite sexist) to go with the image of the shrill, nagging woman and cast blame based on that. Although I do think many women faced with the same situation of supporting a whole family, may in fact "nag" their husbands for a bit of help, especially if their husbands gambling debts got them there.

Wow - a voice of reason and so eloquently put. Thank you SS.

[LeLe1953]

Originally Posted by secretsquirrel

No one ever knows what goes on in a relationship but the two people in it. For us to assume otherwise is unfortunate and contributes to this. It's also a bit perplexing that although the stress that Cindy experienced as breadwinner and primary caregiver, household manager is evidenced, that is entirely dismissed as it's much easier (and also quite sexist) to go with the image of the shrill, nagging woman and cast blame based on that. Although I do think many women faced with the same situation of supporting a whole family, may in fact "nag" their husbands for a bit of help, especially if their husbands gambling debts got them there.

I don't disagree with you one bit. There was a lot of pressure on Cindy & as far as KC, I think given the situation, it was far easier to ignore than confront. Truth is, Caylee was probably her one true joy.

[butwhatif?]

Originally Posted by LeLe1953

It is amazing George didn't make Cindy one of the two he alerted about wanting to die. He has so many reasons to be depressed. I wish someone had gotten him into grief counseling months ago. I personally hope the Dr decides it is NOT in George's best interest to see Cindy. I think he needs his distance from her. She pushes & pushes & pushes & just doesnt know when to stop.
My heart goes out to George. He is so heart broken & I think has done so many things to try & keep his family together. I hope he gets all the help he needs & realizes Casey killed her child. I know it must be tearing George apart that he didnt protect that baby. I am not sure anyone could have protected Caylee. George is in my prayers & I am so very sorry this has happened.

So if Ca tries to do the same now, how will you feel?
And its not suprising he didnt contact CA. He knows that killing himself would be his final acting of making her carry the burden alone. And it was a cry for help. You dont contact people unless you want to be saved by them....
You leave a letter for them to find after.

The documents clearly state that the fiery arguments were between KC and GA....He is not some weak pathetic man who is controlled by his wife.

You can bet this would have happened a a long time ago, if it wasnt for CA's strength that he can lean on.
Who's there for her now? At what point does she get to stop being the strong one, and allow herself to crumble, and feel the pain and loss.
We have a responsibility as members of this forum, to choose our words wisely, knowing that there are consequences to our actions, or statements, and that it could very possibly have contributed to GA's suicide attempt. Yet all of a sudden people are praying for the man they vilified on this very forum.

Give the man some credit. Seriously. To all the people who say GA was stopped from talking becuase of CA.....GMAB!
He is a grown man, who has chosen to lean on his wife, instead of on his own two feet.....(Most likely because of a depressive illness.) But he is still more than capable of standing up for himself.
We judge the lack of responsibity taken by key players in this case, and yet nobody wants to believe that the hate posted here could have contributed to the mans depression, meaning we need to take some responsibility for that.(if we have a conscience anyway)

He needs to take responsibility too, and kc etc....
Suicide is complex and I can tell you all from personal experience that when you feel worthless and like you just cant hold on anymore, having people confirm your worst feelings about yourself ( no matter how wrong they might be) definately pushes you that bit further to actually do it, instead of thinking or planning it.

Give them all a break. They have suffered more than we can ever know. You dont have to like them....just respect the notion that none of us are perfect, and that EVERY life is valuable.
JMO

[doglover]

Originally Posted by butwhatif?

So if Ca tries to do the same now, how will you feel?
And its not suprising he didnt contact CA. He knows that killing himself would be his final acting of making her carry the burden alone. And it was a cry for help. You dont contact people unless you want to be saved by them....
You leave a letter for them to find after.

The documents clearly state that the fiery arguments were between KC and GA....He is not some weak pathetic man who is controlled by his wife.

You can bet this would have happened a a long time ago, if it wasnt for CA's strength that he can lean on.
Who's there for her now? At what point does she get to stop being the strong one, and allow herself to crumble, and feel the pain and loss.
We have a responsibility as members of this forum, to choose our words wisely, knowing that there are consequences to our actions, or statements, and that it could very possibly have contributed to GA's suicide attempt. Yet all of a sudden people are praying for the man they vilified on this very forum.

Give the man some credit. Seriously. To all the people who say GA was stopped from talking becuase of CA.....GMAB!
He is a grown man, who has chosen to lean on his wife, instead of on his own two feet.....(Most likely because of a depressive illness.) But he is still more than capable of standing up for himself.
We judge the lack of responsibity taken by key players in this case, and yet nobody wants to believe that the hate posted here could have contributed to the mans depression, meaning we need to take some responsibility for that.(if we have a conscience anyway)

He needs to take responsibility too, and kc etc....
Suicide is complex and I can tell you all from personal experience that when you feel worthless and like you just cant hold on anymore, having people confirm your worst feelings about yourself ( no matter how wrong they might be) definately pushes you that bit further to actually do it, instead of thinking or planning it.

Give them all a break. They have suffered more than we can ever know. You dont have to like them....just respect the notion that none of us are perfect, and that EVERY life is valuable.
JMO

Thank you so much for your kind and humane post. ITA that enough is enough. Some posters are acting as if they know these individuals personally. None of us know these people. We don't live in their home or see them interact with each other. Simply watching someone for a few minutes on a TV program does not mean that you can claim to know what they are thinking or feeling.

[gardenhart]

Originally Posted by LeLe1953

It is amazing George didn't make Cindy one of the two he alerted about wanting to die. He has so many reasons to be depressed. I wish someone had gotten him into grief counseling months ago. I personally hope the Dr decides it is NOT in George's best interest to see Cindy. I think he needs his distance from her. She pushes & pushes & pushes & just doesnt know when to stop.
My heart goes out to George. He is so heart broken & I think has done so many things to try & keep his family together. I hope he gets all the help he needs & realizes Casey killed her child. I know it must be tearing George apart that he didnt protect that baby. I am not sure anyone could have protected Caylee. George is in my prayers & I am so very sorry this has happened.

You could take that two ways. You could take that to mean he doesn't trust her enough to reach out to her. But you could also take that to mean he loves her and wants to protect her from the pain of what he was talking about doing.

[tkparker]

Originally Posted by MaryAnn

My heart goes out to George. I can't even imagine what he's going through. In addition to mourning Caylee he has to feel some amount of guilt for testifying against Casey even if he knows in his heart she did it. He's in the worst situation imaginable. I think Cindy is stronger and maybe the lies and her believing Casey is innocent is the only thing keeping her from attempting suicide herself.

My son was killed in a car accident a couple years ago at 16. I felt tremendous amount of guilt, not that I had any control over the situation.. but, constantly going over things in my head that I could of done differently. A coke bottle rolled under his foot and he couldn't stop the car at at a stop sign. I ran that stop sign 15 times in one day. Morning, afternoon, night.. It was a cry for help. I wasn't trying to kill myself... I know it sounds like it..

Extreme grief makes you do strange things. There is no comparison with my son's death to what the Anthony's are going through. It is just un-imaginable. I had no one watching my every more, reporting it, no child being prosecuted.. none of the stuff they are going through and I felt helpless, hopeless, and exhausted. We need to remember that the Anthony's are going through some extreme pain, shoes that I never ever want to walk in.

[amysmom]

Originally Posted by tkparker

My son was killed in a car accident a couple years ago at 16. I felt tremendous amount of guilt, not that I had any control over the situation.. but, constantly going over things in my head that I could of done differently. A coke bottle rolled under his foot and he couldn't stop the car at at a stop sign. I ran that stop sign 15 times in one day. Morning, afternoon, night.. It was a cry for help. I wasn't trying to kill myself... I know it sounds like it..

Extreme grief makes you do strange things. There is no comparison with my son's death to what the Anthony's are going through. It is just un-imaginable. I had no one watching my every more, reporting it, no child being prosecuted.. none of the stuff they are going through and I felt helpless, hopeless, and exhausted. We need to remember that the Anthony's are going through some extreme pain, shoes that I never ever want to walk in.

The circumstances may not be the same as the A's but I believe a comparison can be made re: extreme grief & pain..I'm so sorry for your loss.

[irishbosoxfan]

Originally Posted by amysmom

When asked if the A's believe KC did it he said "they don't know" He repeated this twice at least..That was a big surprise to me because as we all know they've been saying all along she was "innocent" of this crime ..It's CAYLEE George has the most on his mind..IOW..Not Casey!..BC & the A's believe it's time to bury Cayley & they're are growing impatient waiting for the testing to be completed..The memorial he thinks will be in Feb.

Excerpt:http://www.wesh.com/news/18546075/detail.html

Authorities in Daytona Beach earlier Friday confirmed that a suicide note was found with George Anthony at a hotel along U.S. Highway 1.

Investigators said the eight-page note indicated George Anthony was at the end of his rope, and that once he was gone, his family would have a better life. He wrote about how strong his daughter, Casey Anthony, is and said he doesn't believe she hurt her daughter, Caylee. However, he did make dark, veiled references to his daughter's friends.

George Anthony also wrote in the letter that his wife, Cindy, could do better than him. He also wrote about his son, Lee Anthony.

Originally Posted by mommya

That would be horrible - dismemberment.

But....I have had this wierd feeling ever since the ME said there was no ante mortem trauma to the bones.

To me it was technical speak and could have meant "There was post mortem trauma but I'm not going to reveal that"

Could that also be why the ME was so sure it was a homicide?

If you acidentally kill someone and then freak out and dump them - that is one thing - but you sure as heck wouldn't dismember them.

Gruesome to discuss.

I have secretly held this fear since Dr Gs statement at the press conference where she stressed there was "no anti-mortem bone trauma". Why didn't she just say "no bone trauma" or "post-mortem trauma consistent with animal activity"
But her stressing there was no trauma before Caylee died just sat the wrong way with me and I pray that I'm wrong about it.

[VALee]

Originally Posted by tkparker

My son was killed in a car accident a couple years ago at 16. I felt tremendous amount of guilt, not that I had any control over the situation.. but, constantly going over things in my head that I could of done differently. A coke bottle rolled under his foot and he couldn't stop the car at at a stop sign. I ran that stop sign 15 times in one day. Morning, afternoon, night.. It was a cry for help. I wasn't trying to kill myself... I know it sounds like it..

Extreme grief makes you do strange things. There is no comparison with my son's death to what the Anthony's are going through. It is just un-imaginable. I had no one watching my every more, reporting it, no child being prosecuted.. none of the stuff they are going through and I felt helpless, hopeless, and exhausted. We need to remember that the Anthony's are going through some extreme pain, shoes that I never ever want to walk in.

Your post is so moving and I am so very sorry for your loss and what you have gone through. Thank you for sharing your experience and your insights as surely it was not easy. It helps give us another perspective on what/how George may be going through, something many of us cannot even begin to imagine.

[gibby207]

Originally Posted by tkparker

My son was killed in a car accident a couple years ago at 16. I felt tremendous amount of guilt, not that I had any control over the situation.. but, constantly going over things in my head that I could of done differently. A coke bottle rolled under his foot and he couldn't stop the car at at a stop sign. I ran that stop sign 15 times in one day. Morning, afternoon, night.. It was a cry for help. I wasn't trying to kill myself... I know it sounds like it..

Extreme grief makes you do strange things. There is no comparison with my son's death to what the Anthony's are going through. It is just un-imaginable. I had no one watching my every more, reporting it, no child being prosecuted.. none of the stuff they are going through and I felt helpless, hopeless, and exhausted. We need to remember that the Anthony's are going through some extreme pain, shoes that I never ever want to walk in.

I'm sorry for your loss. (((hugs)))

Bold is mine.

[Gracenote]

Originally Posted by tkparker

Extreme grief makes you do strange things.

Amen to that, and in my own experience it can be akin to total insanity. I am so sorry for what you experienced; my heart hurts for you and your family.

[jmommy]

Originally Posted by MaryAnn

My heart goes out to George. I can't even imagine what he's going through. In addition to mourning Caylee he has to feel some amount of guilt for testifying against Casey even if he knows in his heart she did it. He's in the worst situation imaginable. I think Cindy is stronger and maybe the lies and her believing Casey is innocent is the only thing keeping her from attempting suicide herself.

By them not going to see her, not even ONCE, since the discovery of the body, tells it all. They KNOW she's guilty, but they at this point don't want to loose her too because they prob have some sort of guilt about raising a sociopath and her getting DP would just deepen the pain. If they truly thought she was innocent, no lawyers, media, or anything would keep them from visiting her in jail, especially since the body was found. They KNOW she's guilty and can't bear to face her.

[LCoastMom]

Originally Posted by jmommy

By them not going to see her, not even ONCE, since the discovery of the body, tells it all. They KNOW she's guilty, but they at this point don't want to loose her too because they prob have some sort of guilt about raising a sociopath and her getting DP would just deepen the pain. If they truly thought she was innocent, no lawyers, media, or anything would keep them from visiting her in jail, especially since the body was found. They KNOW she's guilty and can't bear to face her.

It's not their decision, it's KC's and she won't see them.

[amethyst221]

I have absolutely nothing against BC personally, of course, but I think he is now complaining a bit about problems he helped create. He injected the immunity question into the public forum as virtually his first act in the case. I understand the law, I understand immunity, and I understand representing your client(s) zealously, within the bounds of the law. But it is simply not true that in the normal course every single family member of an accused person seeks immunity, especially as a mere precaution in case they have somehow inadvertently obstructed justice, aided and abetted, committed perjury, etc. It isn't normal and it irritates me that he keeps saying it is. He is the new messenger for the A's, so he continues their message that others are to blame for all their actions. I don't think it serves them well.

I try to avoid CA and GA discussion now, but I also find it troubling if it is true that once again, they are trying to implicate people other than KC for this. I've never expected them to call a presser and say their daughter is guilty. Moral authority to call for better behavior from others goes out the window when you unconscionably try to shift the blame to the children of other people, without a shred of evidence to support it.

[DAWN TREADER]

CNN Headline News covering the presser now!

[chelle70]

Conway had to stop press conference while he gets a drink of water.

[karenz]

Link for presser?

[chelle70]

Originally Posted by karenz

Link for presser?

I'm watching it on HLN.

[forensicbuff5747]

They are praising the police now, yet they certainly haven't up until this point.