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Old 04-14-2009, 07:07 PM
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Help! I am wondering what this means, if anything , for the case that in Reverand Grund's police sworn interview he relays that back in 2006 KC finally found a new babysitter (he and his family had been caring for the baby), she told him very specifically that her name was Zenaida Gonzalez, and even the story about having met her through Jeff H., yada, yada, yada. In 2006! Will this affect anything, except the civil trial?
Are Z's lawyers going to file suit against Cindy now too, just to make sure they can indeed attach a lien to any profits she makes off the sale of this story, and since she is the one who "published the defamation" knowing it to be a lie,now that she has admitted she knew KC was lying?

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...chard-0905.pdf

The following information was found on pages 7 & 8.


“Yeah (affirmative), I’ve got that worked out,” “Oh, yeah (affirmative), I found this lady uh, Zenaida Gonzalez and she, she watches my
friend Jeffrey Hopkins son Zachery. And Zachery and Caylee play together and they, they love to be together. So this’ll work out great.” I’m thinking, “Wow that’s a whole lot more information than I really needed.” And by this point I picked up that Casey likes to tell stories. Uhm, we started to all pick up that Casey had a little problem with exaggeration.
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Update: I found on NG show, where Rev. Grund relays this same incident, but this time remembers it as KC having called the nanny Zanny: "Finally, one day when Casey came home from work to wait for Jesse and hang out with us, I kind of greeted her at the door with, What are we going to do about this baby-sitter thing? And she says, I found one. I have a nanny. Her name is Zanny, and I got her from Jeffrey Hopkins, who has a son named..."

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I think it will be the defense (KC's) lawyer in the defamation suit that calls him to the stand if and when this ever goes to trial. How long she has had these imaginary friends wont matter one bit stacked up against all the forensic evidence in the murder trial. I think the toxicology reports are back now, maybe there is proof of perpetual chemicals having been given to the baby that showed up in her hair (as Dr. Baden said by accident on air one night), there are specific plant remnants in KC's car from the woods, the soil on her shoes matches the woods, the duct tape matches, the Pooh blanket SKU numbers match (it is part of a set) her nursery linen, she and Tony are on tape in Blockbuster the very day she is thought to have killed the baby renting a video (about a child being kidnapped by a nanny by the way), her cell pings show exactly where she was at every minute of the day, she texted her friend Amy setting up an excuse for why her vehicle smells of decomposition, she lied and lied and led police on wild goose chases, her father, mother and brother all said to police the car smelled of death, etc., etc., all it will show in the criminal case is what Judge Strickland already noticed, "The truth and Miss Anthony are strangers".

Does anyone know if Reverand Grund and his wife are on the witness list for either party? Do you know when LP is being deposed? I am looking forward to his colorful testimony.
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Old 04-14-2009, 08:09 PM
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Does anyone know if Reverand Grund and his wife are on the witness list for either party? Do you know when LP is being deposed? I am looking forward to his colorful testimony.

Richard is on the list, but I did not see his wife's name. Here is the link: http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html . I did not see LP's name on the list either.
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Help! I am wondering what this means, if anything , for the case that in Reverand Grund's police sworn interview he relays that back in 2006 KC finally found a new babysitter (he and his family had been caring for the baby), she told him very specifically that her name was Zenaida Gonzalez, and even the story about having met her through Jeff Hopkins, yada, yada, yada. In 2006! Will this affect anything, except the civil trial?
I doubt it ..
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Help! I am wondering what this means, if anything , for the case that in Reverand Grund's police sworn interview he relays that back in 2006 KC finally found a new babysitter (he and his family had been caring for the baby), she told him very specifically that her name was Zenaida Gonzalez, and even the story about having met her through Jeff Hopkins, yada, yada, yada. In 2006! Will this affect anything, except the civil trial?
I dunno? IIRC KC coined the name 'Zanny' with RG. Do you have a link/ref to the doc?

If this was true then KC's parents would have the same story and be using it before and at the Depo.

Sounds hinky to me if KC used ZG to RG but not her parents?
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I dunno? IIRC KC coined the name 'Zanny' with RG. Do you have a link/ref to the doc?

If this was true then KC's parents would have the same story and be using it before and at the Depo.

Sounds hinky to me if KC used ZG to RG but not her parents?
I believe this is the interview you are looking for: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...chard-0905.pdf. The following information was found on pages 7 & 8.


“Yeah (affirmative), I’ve got that worked out,” “Oh, yeah (affirmative), I found this lady uh, Zenaida Gonzalez and she, she watches my
friend Jeffrey H's son Z. And Z and Caylee play together and they, they love to be together. So this’ll work out great.” I’m thinking, “Wow that’s a whole lot more information than I really needed.” And by this point I picked up that Casey likes to tell stories. Uhm, we started to all pick up that Casey had a little problem with exaggeration.
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I do think it is just a lie, but it is interesting that she had this entire lie for so long. I wouldn't even let someone take my dogs overnight, let alone my grandchild, and since they knew KC to be such a liar and so very irresponsible, there is no way as controlling as Cindy is, they wouldn't have insisted on meeting any caretaker. None of it makes any sense to me.
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I do think it is just a lie, but it is interesting that she had this entire lie for so long. I wouldn't even let someone take my dogs overnight, let alone my grandchild, and since they knew KC to be such a liar and so very irresponsible, there is no way as controlling as Cindy is, they wouldn't have insisted on meeting any caretaker. None of it makes any sense to me.
Exactly...
By the time she dialed 911 she already had a story they all agreed on.
I am not overprotective and I know my kids Nanny's and they do not live with me. NO WAY she did not know the nanny.
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I do think it is just a lie, but it is interesting that she had this entire lie for so long. I wouldn't even let someone take my dogs overnight, let alone my grandchild, and since they knew KC to be such a liar and so very irresponsible, there is no way as controlling as Cindy is, they wouldn't have insisted on meeting any caretaker. None of it makes any sense to me.
Me either. I know RG's family was probably more of a family at that time and KC was hiding out there but, I am surprised that the A's only talk of Zanny before and not ZG.
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All I can say is, if the nanny story is true, then Baez should have NO problem coming up with Jeffrey Hopkins and his son Zachery and having at least Jeffrey testifying at trial.

Jurors are not stupid people and if Baez wants to put this out there, he'd better damn well back it up and not expect jurors to take him at his word. Promising something you can't fulfill would be the biggest mistake the defense team could make.
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This is probably a stupid question, but - if Casey was using the "Zenaida Gonzalez" babysitter name back in 2006, then she had the idea for that particular name way before ZG went to check out an apartment at Sawgrass. Right? What would the chances be that she already made up this name and then lo and behold, someone with that name checks out an apartment at Sawgrass?
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I dunno? IIRC KC coined the name 'Zanny' with RG. Do you have a link/ref to the doc?

If this was true then KC's parents would have the same story and be using it before and at the Depo.

Sounds hinky to me if KC used ZG to RG but not her parents?


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help! I am wondering what this means, if anything , for the case that in reverand grund's police sworn interview he relays that back in 2006 kc finally found a new babysitter (he and his family had been caring for the baby), she told him very specifically that her name was zenaida gonzalez, and even the story about having met her through jeff h., yada, yada, yada. In 2006! Will this affect anything, except the civil trial?
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This is in RGs interview in the latest doc dump- he says this is the story KC made up when JG and his family said they couldn't watch Caylee everyday.

Check the documents thread, last page - it will say RGs interview.
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Personally I think this HURTS the defense - if this was her "nanny" since 2006, how the heck would NO ONE have met her in 3 years?? Its one thing if its a "new" nanny she hired in May - maybe there was just no time for the family to meet her? But years and years? When KC was living at home? NO WAY a babysitter wouldn't be at that house one time in three years
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Personally I think this HURTS the defense - if this was her "nanny" since 2006, how the heck would NO ONE have met her in 3 years?? Its one thing if its a "new" nanny she hired in May - maybe there was just no time for the family to meet her? But years and years? When KC was living at home? NO WAY a babysitter wouldn't be at that house one time in three years
ITA! If there indeed had been a ZFG as nanny since 2006, surely her family would have known about/met/talked to this person. Lee stated that the night KC told him about Caylee being missing was the first time he had heard the name. I think KC simply knew the name from somewhere and wove it into one of her stories as she always does. There should be a disclaimer pop up over her head whenever she talks. "The names used in this story are real, but the events are all a figment of my imagination."
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Personally I think this HURTS the defense - if this was her "nanny" since 2006, how the heck would NO ONE have met her in 3 years?? Its one thing if its a "new" nanny she hired in May - maybe there was just no time for the family to meet her? But years and years? When KC was living at home? NO WAY a babysitter wouldn't be at that house one time in three years
Especially since she had her own key to the A's house. <smirk>
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I always thought that it sounded rather fishy that RG remembered these names that KC rattled off to him two years prior to the interview. Zenaida is a bizarre name at that. I certainly would not be able to remember first and last names of an invisinanny, her mutual acquaintance, said acquaintance's son. Of course, maybe he wrote it down or has an incredible memory.... I could see someone remembering the name Zanny because it rhymes with nanny, but that would be all I believe. It almost sounds like he wanted to say that KC was lying about all of this for two years.
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I always thought that it sounded rather fishy that RG remembered these names that KC rattled off to him two years prior to the interview. Zenaida is a bizarre name at that. I certainly would not be able to remember first and last names of an invisinanny, her mutual acquaintance, said acquaintance's son. Of course, maybe he wrote it down or has an incredible memory.... I could see someone remembering the name Zanny because it rhymes with nanny, but that would be all I believe. It almost sounds like he wanted to say that KC was lying about all of this for two years.
I agree. The name Zenaida would be very hard to remember after 2 years. Now the name Zanny..Yes.
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I agree. The name Zenaida would be very hard to remember after 2 years. Now the name Zanny..Yes.
I'm wondering if RG only heard "Zanny" way back it 2006. It could be that, at the time of the interview, he had become aware of the name ZFG and used it instead.

This is something LE need to clarify with RG.
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I always thought that it sounded rather fishy that RG remembered these names that KC rattled off to him two years prior to the interview. Zenaida is a bizarre name at that. I certainly would not be able to remember first and last names of an invisinanny, her mutual acquaintance, said acquaintance's son. Of course, maybe he wrote it down or has an incredible memory.... I could see someone remembering the name Zanny because it rhymes with nanny, but that would be all I believe. It almost sounds like he wanted to say that KC was lying about all of this for two years.
I agree. I have a fantastic memory, and I know I would not be able to pull out a name I was told once two years ago, unless it had some correlation with something else meaningful in my head. It will have to be proven to me RG possesses total recall before I am going to find it probable he really remembers this name being stated back then. I don't think he is lying about it, though, I just think it is more of a suggestive kind of thing where he now believes that is what he was told.
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I agree. I have a fantastic memory, and I know I would not be able to pull out a name I was told once two years ago, unless it had some correlation with something else meaningful in my head. It will have to be proven to me RG possesses total recall before I am going to find it probable he really remembers this name being stated back then. I don't think he is lying about it, though, I just think it is more of a suggestive kind of thing where he now believes that is what he was told.
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RG has had a career as a professional actor. He no doubt possesses extraordinary memorization skills - because that is required for that type of work - I have friends who are actors and they can memorize the entire script of a 2 hour play overnight. And they still know ALL the lines of plays they appeared in years and years ago. If RG says he heard Casey use the name Zanny or Zaneida back in 2006, I believe him. There's no reason to think he was mistaken about that.

I also don't think it's that unusual that Casey would create a "cast of characters" in her mind and keep using the same names over a long period of time, having the characters grow and change. If you have seen the film "Heavenly Creatures" you see two teenage girls doing the exact same thing over 4 years of high school culminating in the murder of one of the girl's mother. In fact many great writers create a longterm cast of characters - J.K. Rowling, for example, planned the entire Harry Potter series out years in advance, names and family relationships, plot and all. In Casey's case, it appears she used the pretend world she created in her mind to escape the mundane reality of her life.
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I always thought that it sounded rather fishy that RG remembered these names that KC rattled off to him two years prior to the interview. Zenaida is a bizarre name at that. I certainly would not be able to remember first and last names of an invisinanny, her mutual acquaintance, said acquaintance's son. Of course, maybe he wrote it down or has an incredible memory.... I could see someone remembering the name Zanny because it rhymes with nanny, but that would be all I believe. It almost sounds like he wanted to say that KC was lying about all of this for two years.
Out of all of the scummy list of characters in this circus, the ONLY ones I believe to be telling the absolute truth are the GRUND FAMILY! They have NO reason to lie. I believe he remembered this, as he seems like one of the most "together" person I have ever seen.

It's just horrendous what the A's are doing to this family. Just horrendous.
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