jaycee dugard thank you

[kbl8201]

Hi. i am new to the forum. would like my first post to be about this remarkable case.......this strong young woman, and the ineptitude of everyone from the FBI to the parole officer to the local police department.
If the FBI hadnt bungled the case from day one, focusing on her step dad (her only dad for that matter0 and to a lesser extent her bio-dad, rather then looking for the car and the suspects the step dad described, she probably would have have been found in days, due to the sex offender registry he was in, and the make of his car.

It's laughable that the judge at the bail hearing applauded the parole officer for "outsmarting" garrido............uh garrido fooled this guy for almost 20 years? this judge needs his head examined!

But when it comes down to it, this case is about Jaycee and her girls. From what i understand so far, they and there REAL family are doing well so far. I hope they continue to heal and that Jaycee is able to testify against these monsters when the time comes!
thank you

[Anothermom]

I hope that she doesn't have to testify, that they just plead guilty in the end. Jaycee has to be a remarkable person. I hope she can come to grips with the error of "their" ways, the Garridos, I mean. I am sure that it is emotionally draining and certainly sad that the people who basically raised you were, in reality, monsters, but nonetheless, she will grieve for them. After all, they spared her life and gave her these two beautiful children, which would not have happened had these atrocities not been committed...sometimes, even an event as awful as this has beautiful consequences. Things happen for a reason, and there is a plan for Jaycee and her children. Bless you all, Jaycee and Starlit and Angel....and of course, every other family member. May you all forgive yourselves and these perpertrators and thrive peacefully in one another's love.

[kbl8201]

Originally Posted by Anothermom

I hope that she doesn't have to testify, that they just plead guilty in the end. Jaycee has to be a remarkable person. I hope she can come to grips with the error of "their" ways, the Garridos, I mean. I am sure that it is emotionally draining and certainly sad that the people who basically raised you were, in reality, monsters, but nonetheless, she will grieve for them. After all, they spared her life and gave her these two beautiful children, which would not have happened had these atrocities not been committed...sometimes, even an event as awful as this has beautiful consequences. Things happen for a reason, and there is a plan for Jaycee and her children. Bless you all, Jaycee and Starlit and Angel....and of course, every other family member. May you all forgive yourselves and these perpertrators and thrive peacefully in one another's love.

sadly i think she will have to testify. the garridos are gonna use an insanity defense or batter womans (nancy) or they are just gonna blame each other......i cant see it not going to trial
but you make very good points otherwise......

[songline]

Originally Posted by kbl8201

sadly i think she will have to testify. the garridos are gonna use an insanity defense or batter womans (nancy) or they are just gonna blame each other......i cant see it not going to trial
but you make very good points otherwise......

I do not think that Elizabeth Smart had to testify (cant remember)
I too think it is best to let them just heal.
they have enough on the SOB and his ***** to keep them locked up.

I have said this many times JC is a hero.
She does not have to prove it. She already did.
I hope she never has to face the animals again.

And if she does I hope she will be wearing stiletto heals
I would love for her to penetrate his head with them.
That should do it, a clunk in the head and he is gone.

that SOB brings out the worst in me.

[kbl8201]

Originally Posted by songline

I do not think that Elizabeth Smart had to testify (cant remember)
I too think it is best to let them just heal.
they have enough on the SOB and his ***** to keep them locked up.

I have said this many times JC is a hero.
She does not have to prove it. She already did.
I hope she never has to face the animals again.

And if she does I hope she will be wearing stiletto heals
I would love for her to penetrate his head with them.
That should do it, a clunk in the head and he is gone.

that SOB brings out the worst in me.

elizabeths kidnappers pled guilty i think. otherwise she would have had to testify
lets hope these pos' plead out too.......to life.
and i think the heel would be better placed further south.
and this is coming from a male too

[mike-]

Originally Posted by kbl8201

elizabeths kidnappers pled guilty i think. otherwise she would have had to testify
lets hope these pos' plead out too.......to life.
and i think the heel would be better placed further south.
and this is coming from a male too

I was reminded by a post last night about PG being on parole. That person pointed out that he could remain inprisoned without a trial but NG would have to be tried. It seems like PG's original sentence was life, or 50 years. If it is life, why would they bother with a trial? It seems like wasted expense and trauma on Jaycee and the girls. They would still have to deal with NG's trial but at least Jaycee's part would be reduced.

Any thoughts?

[songline]

Originally Posted by kbl8201

elizabeths kidnappers pled guilty i think. otherwise she would have had to testify
lets hope these pos' plead out too.......to life.
and i think the heel would be better placed further south.
and this is coming from a male too

Elizabeth did not have kids thank God.
KC ended up with 2 children no matter what his deranged mind says - the kids are not a product of the immaculate conception. He is guilty. Regardless to how he sees it.
The girls are as good a proof as you need for rape.

[Stephens]

Elizabeth Smart's abductors were deemed incompetent to stand trial so she obviously didn't have to testify. The Shawn Hornbeck kidnap-child rape case resulted in Michael Devlin pleading guilty to attacking the two boys in Missouri, Hornbeck and Ben Ownby, so the victims also didn't have to testify.

I'm guessing both Garridos want to go to trial to put Dugard through just one more ordeal. Yes, they both continue to believe they did nothing wrong (as all child rapists do), but they're not stupid. They know they're going away for life. The evidence is too overwhelming. And yet they want a trial.

[LinasK]

Originally Posted by Stephens

Elizabeth Smart's abductors were deemed incompetent to stand trial so she obviously didn't have to testify. The Shawn Hornbeck kidnap-child rape case resulted in Michael Devlin pleading guilty to attacking the two boys in Missouri, Hornbeck and Ben Ownby, so the victims also didn't have to testify.

I'm guessing both Garridos want to go to trial to put Dugard through just one more ordeal. Yes, they both continue to believe they did nothing wrong (as all child rapists do), but they're not stupid. They know they're going away for life. The evidence is too overwhelming. And yet they want a trial.

Of course Garrido wants a trial, it'll be his own personal show about how the voices in his head helped him control his urges and find God.

[kbl8201]

Originally Posted by LinasK

Of course Garrido wants a trial, it'll be his own personal show about how the voices in his head helped him control his urges and find God.

im sure that golina neighbor woman is more then willing to testiy to that to.........

[kbl8201]

Originally Posted by Stephens

Elizabeth Smart's abductors were deemed incompetent to stand trial so she obviously didn't have to testify. The Shawn Hornbeck kidnap-child rape case resulted in Michael Devlin pleading guilty to attacking the two boys in Missouri, Hornbeck and Ben Ownby, so the victims also didn't have to testify.

I'm guessing both Garridos want to go to trial to put Dugard through just one more ordeal. Yes, they both continue to believe they did nothing wrong (as all child rapists do), but they're not stupid. They know they're going away for life. The evidence is too overwhelming. And yet they want a trial.

shocked devlin didnt go to trial........he coud have called o rielley as a character witness

[songline]

Originally Posted by Stephens

Elizabeth Smart's abductors were deemed incompetent to stand trial so she obviously didn't have to testify. The Shawn Hornbeck kidnap-child rape case resulted in Michael Devlin pleading guilty to attacking the two boys in Missouri, Hornbeck and Ben Ownby, so the victims also didn't have to testify.

I'm guessing both Garridos want to go to trial to put Dugard through just one more ordeal. Yes, they both continue to believe they did nothing wrong (as all child rapists do), but they're not stupid. They know they're going away for life. The evidence is too overwhelming. And yet they want a trial.

BBM
that should disqualify them from going to trial - insane
They did nothing wrong?

[kbl8201]

[quote=songline;4192660]BBM
that should disqualify them from going to trial - insane
They did nothing wrong? [/QUOTE
garrido's little prison interview where he said this turned from "sick" into a "heartwarming story' was nauseating. if he tries that at trial he might just pull off an insanity defense

[OneLostGrl]

Originally Posted by kbl8201

Hi. i am new to the forum. would like my first post to be about this remarkable case.......this strong young woman, and the ineptitude of everyone from the FBI to the parole officer to the local police department.
If the FBI hadnt bungled the case from day one, focusing on her step dad (her only dad for that matter0 and to a lesser extent her bio-dad, rather then looking for the car and the suspects the step dad described, she probably would have have been found in days, due to the sex offender registry he was in, and the make of his car.

It's laughable that the judge at the bail hearing applauded the parole officer for "outsmarting" garrido............uh garrido fooled this guy for almost 20 years? this judge needs his head examined!

But when it comes down to it, this case is about Jaycee and her girls. From what i understand so far, they and there REAL family are doing well so far. I hope they continue to heal and that Jaycee is able to testify against these monsters when the time comes!
thank you

[kbl8201]

Originally Posted by OneLostGrl

'thanks

[Stephens]

@songline:

No, that would not disqualify them since we all have to justify our actions, including those amongst us who commit great evil (e.g., batterers, violent bigots). The Garridos could not have done what they did unless they believed they were justified--somehow. If you read about the Stanford Prison Experiment you would know how we, humans, need to dehumanize and demonize another person before we can commit violent aggression. That's what they did to Dugard, likely based on her gender (Yes, even women can be misogynistic bigots). Considering they both started out as zealous Jehova's Witnesses, it looks like religion was the excuse they used. Usually, rapists, whether they attack adults or children, project all or most of the blame onto the victims (e.g., "She was asking for it!"). That doesn't make them mentally ill, just hateful.

[songline]

Originally Posted by Stephens

@songline:

No, that would not disqualify them since we all have to justify our actions, including those amongst us who commit great evil (e.g., batterers, violent bigots). The Garridos could not have done what they did unless they believed they were justified--somehow. If you read about the Stanford Prison Experiment you would know how we, humans, need to dehumanize and demonize another person before we can commit violent aggression. That's what they did to Dugard, likely based on her gender (Yes, even women can be misogynistic bigots). Considering they both started out as zealous Jehova's Witnesses, it looks like religion was the excuse they used. Usually, rapists, whether they attack adults or children, project all or most of the blame onto the victims (e.g., "She was asking for it!"). That doesn't make them mentally ill, just hateful.

of course I agree with you, but just as Elizabeth did not have to face her abductors
I Hope & pray that JC wont either. That is too much for that poor child.
Also do not forget this part: This is new, did not happen many years ago that this kid got free:
Just seeing the SOB would instantly RE-Program her again. It seems to work that way.
I just do not want her to have to see the SOBMF @#$%*&. that's all.

[kbl8201]

Originally Posted by songline

of course I agree with you, but just as Elizabeth did not have to face her abductors
I Hope & pray that JC wont either. That is too much for that poor child.
Also do not forget this part: This is new, did not happen many years ago that this kid got free:
Just seeing the SOB would instantly RE-Program her again. It seems to work that way.
I just do not want her to have to see the SOBMF @#$%*&. that's all.

if she has to face him in court again i know she can do it. that being said i agree that i hope she doesnt have to........

[Stephens]

I think Dugard can and will have to face them in court. I don't see either Garrido all of a sudden pleading guilty. It'll be probably, at least, two years before a trial starts. The fact she and her daughters are both alive is a testament to her incredible resilience. If she can get through that, she can get through a trial. Plus, as painful as it'll be for her, realizing she helped put them away will help her move forward with her new life, in creating a "new normal."

[LinasK]

Originally Posted by Stephens

I think Dugard can and will have to face them in court.

The D.A. who gave the press conference in El Dorado county already said as much. Maybe they could give her the option of testifying by videotape though... I've heard of that being done when it is too traumatic to face your accuser.

[kbl8201]

Originally Posted by LinasK

The D.A. who gave the press conference in El Dorado county already said as much. Maybe they could give her the option of testifying by videotape though... I've heard of that being done when it is too traumatic to face your accuser.

this always leaves the potential the defense can win an appeal on the confrontation clause