Skinner - Verified Friend of Mark Sievers - Q & A thread

New Posts

Leomoon80 said:
Just one more question (as Detective Colombo might say :) if I may?

Do you find it awkward or strange that MS has not returned any of your phone calls, messages, texts etc? If still true then, how many times did you try & contact him since WW was arrested? 3, 2 or only 1 time via any of these methods?

Or have you finally heard back?

Thanks in advance
Click to expand...

I just woke up an hour ago and see that I missed MS call to me. He left me a voice message last night while I was sleeping, and I was unable to ascertain the type of answer you will be sure to ask of me, so suffice it to say I look forward to trying to touch base with him later today.

His message was only that he wanted to touch base with me, as was the language he ALWAYS used with me, forever.
 
Kitt806 said:
Hi Skinner, for what it's worth, I have had my doubts that Mark orchestrated or had anything to do with Teresa's murder. The way Teresa spoke of him, the consequences for his own girls, the loss of everything they had built together, I just don't see it, though I could be wrong. Mark not speaking out makes perfect sense to me, have you seen Gone Girl? I don't blame him and he knows the law at least a little....there may be lawyers and members of LE that have advised him to be quiet.
I suspect that JR and CWW assumed that the family would be gone and went there to get something incriminating whether it be on computers, in files, etc. As i mentioned on an earlier thread, Mark may have cut ties with CWW over drugs and criminal activity. Just the little I knew Teresa, she would have been pissed at these guys and rightly so, and it may have escalated with JR and his hammer. Theory only, I have no inside information.
Click to expand...

Hi Kit,

I'm glad you wrote this. It allows me to say something I forgot to bring up in other replies of mine.

Mark is NOT a gambler. Absolutely not. He would NEVER go to the casino to gamble, though he worked as a dealer in a casino like 20+ years ago, here in ST. Louis.

He would tell me the horrible stories of how people would gamble away their homes, and how people committed suicide in the casino hotel rooms, that seldom, if ever, made the news.

As best as he could, he would try to intimate to gamblers (he knew about to lose their social security checks) that they should not gamble (which would have gotten him fired if the pit boss heard), or suggest to the gambler "why don't you take a break, go get something to eat, go home...".

This is why I cannot fathom it, if MS is guilty somehow.

It touches everything he holds dear.

I still just don't see it.
 
ATasteOfHoney said:
Hello Skinner & thank you for your wonderful contributions. This has got to be a tough time for you.

I have a question specifically about MS's childhood/teenage years: did you notice at that time any actions that seemed cold or ruthless to **animals** and/or any activities related to or a pre-occupation with fire? Any odd or unique memory about MS connected with any of that from many years ago, Skinner?

Just curious.....
Click to expand...

I met him when we were in college, and I'm about 5 years older than he. I do not know what type of antics he and WW might have pulled in their youth. I don't know anything else on this subject.
 
nancydrew71 said:
Skinner I assume since CWW had access to their computers he saw the money they were making and perhaps knew they had safes in their home. Maybe he was back on drugs and used this JR to go there and rob them knowing TS was home and getting the combos from her. Maybe that was the arguing and when she wouldn't cooperate, he went after her.
Click to expand...


maybe, maybe, maybe.

No disprespect, nancydrew71.
 
ATasteOfHoney said:
And Skinner.....do you have an opinion on why WW who is in his 40's would be friends with JR who is in his 20's? Obviously there is nothing illegal about that but it's a bit unusual so what's their connection? Any speculation?
Click to expand...

And it would only be speculation, but not dealing with realities.

We all have friendships, acquaintances, of every sort and kind, and regardless of a person's ability or background, we glean from a person what we seem to find good or useful for ourselves, or in the case of missionary work, what we might be able to lend or give to another.

Anyway, I have not seen or spoken to WW in 10 years, and he is living in the rural area of Missouri, in a trailer court or small house, where trailer courts are, etc., it just does not surprise me that he may have met people who are "rednecks".
 
oceanblueeyes said:
I have read with great interest what you have told all of us so openly and willingly. I am grateful for your honesty.

While of course I know you have had unpleasant thoughts that may terrify you running through your mind at this time of uncertainty, I do think you are doing the right thing. Until it is shown proof positive your friend is involved then you are doing what best friends do and that is supporting your friend.

It is true that someone can be fooled but then its also true that the person is as they represent themselves. We just don't know at this time what the end result will be. Until it is proven to you I can certainly understand why you are standing by your friend.

Skinner, did you see where the Sheriff said both JR AND WW are vicious killers? Both. Don't you think this has to mean they both were inside the home when Teresa was murdered? If not why would he say they BOTH are killers?

So you have no knowledge that Mark knows JR? I am sorry if this question has already been posed to you.

Are you sure that Wayne wasn't doing drugs again like meth? The reason I asked is I have read countless articles stating meth is one of the worst drug addictions to kick.

If he had full access to Teresa's financial computer records do you think he could have been siphoning money from her accounts and putting up dummy accounts so it looked like the money was still there? You said he was a smart guy.

Do you think she could have found out about this?

You said that Mark opened the safes and everything was okay. Did he tell you that LE wanted him to walk through the home and look to see if anything was stolen? The reason I ask is that is done quite frequently by law enforcement and they do ask family members to do a walk through without touching anything except what they tell them and also tell them where to walk so they will not contaminate the scene. The family member can do that without going back to stay in the home afterwards is why I am bringing it up.

I cant say with 100% certainty either who else may involved other than the two that have been arrested. I did read that the FBI in Florida is saying they will assist any investigation needed in MO. So it seems they are not through investigating those from MO. Have you seen anyone you think may be FBI agents in the area with Florida plates? And do you think this may involve more than two suspects from MO?

Thank you in advance for any responses you may want to give.
Click to expand...

Hi OceanBlueEyes,

1) My wife picked up on the same thing, that "both are vicious killers" seems to imply that both were in the house.

2) I do not know if MS knows JR. No knowledge at all.

3) You'll find this to be interesting: One of the properties that you sleuths found out that MS owned in Fenton, MO, was a house that MS rented to WW at one time, and when MS found out that WW was dealing or making (I really do not remember which) meth out of his (MS) house, he told WW "You gotta go, and now."

WW respected MS wishes, and moved.

If I recall, MS told me "Skinner, in drug deals, they confiscate the house, regardless of the owner not being in the house, and I'm not taking any chances. I need the rent money to make the mortgage on that house."

4) Money access to her computers, yeah, maybe. Probably not. But maybe.

5 and on > The rest of your questions I have nothing to say or add to. I do not know what the FBI is up to, or what their intentions are, etc. Nor about a walkthrough in the house with Lee County police.
 
AmazonRain said:
Skinner, after all of the posts/activity today - did you hear from anyone in Florida? Thank you.
Click to expand...

Nobody in FL contacted me yesterday, or today, and I was kinda wondering if I would get contacted by the FBI.

And now that you mention it, I'm wondering that since I have not, that this could be a very good sign.

But I truly believe that the FBI and authorities have access to everything they need, when piecing the puzzle together, and do not need personal testimony by friends of people, to solve the case.
 
LvsAMystry said:
Hi Skinner, thanks for answering my earlier questions. I've caught up on all the answers you've so graciously taken the time to provide and have one more.

You mention that at one time MS spoke of becoming a lawyer and in recent years he'd mentioned going back to school for this and just recently mentioning obtaining LSAT material, which seems to imply his plans for this were moving forward. Do you feel he's had a general dissatisfaction in life in terms of a career or profession of his own? It seems his role has been one of the supporting player to a very driven wife and I just wonder if he ever mused about the things he wished to pursue outside of that role. Also, if the law school pursuit was real did he ever mentioned if TS supported his desire for that?
Click to expand...

I think she supported it, and he would have gone to a school down there near where they live.

How the heck many stories and examples do we need of people achieving things right up into the 70's. Elderly people getting college degrees, middle-age getting the G.E.D.

People who were broke their whole lives, then opening a business that blossomed when they were most desperate.

America is the land of these types of wishes.
 
DeDee said:
Respectfully snipped and bolded by me



And you say this because somehow the judge would find Dr. Teresa Sievers as an unfit mother; thereby, granting sole custody of their two daughters to Mark? My sincere apologies for I find myself appalled by the statement.
Click to expand...

You read something I did not write nor imply. The other point (that you wish to ignore, and so should I be appalled?) is that MS has been doing the homeschooling and supporting of the girls (the way a mother would have before 1960) and taking care of the girls in THIS arrangement.
 
I'm going to stop now, and I might answer a few more questions, but am thinking I have done enough. I originally stated that I just wanted to clarify a couple of things, and then I might come back over to the main threads where you sleuths put pieces together and see if you can come up with something new.

But I do not really wish to continue the need to sign on and respond.

I will also say that if I do speak with MS today, I will not divulge the content of our conversation at this late stage of the ordeal.
 
Skinner said:
You read something I did not write nor imply. The other point (that you wish to ignore, and so should I be appalled?) is that MS has been doing the homeschooling and supporting of the girls (the way a mother would have before 1960) and taking care of the girls in THIS arrangement.
Click to expand...

Skinner this is a very good way of describing Mark's role. I wonder if he felt appreciated and respected because if he did not, is it possible his friend WW may have decided to help him out?

You talked about moral reasons vs money. Would psychological abuse felt by Mark be what you were thinking of as a possibility for WW to take on this job for a friend. Or something greater like cheating and talks of divorce?
 
Skinner, do you know who installed the security system at the Sievers's house? Was it the same security company that provided service or another contractor?
 
Skinner,

In addition to being a good friend to Mark, you write beautifully and honestly. One of your comments reminded me of one of my favorite Johnny Cash songs, "God's Gonna Cut You You Down":

Well you may throw your rock and hide your hand
Workin' in the dark against your fellow man
But as sure as God made black and white
What's done in the dark will be brought to the light

So if you don't post again, please accept the sincere thanks of many for your time and insights. I join you in hoping Mark remains the man you've known.
 
cc
Skinner said:
I'm going to stop now, and I might answer a few more questions, but am thinking I have done enough. I originally stated that I just wanted to clarify a couple of things, and then I might come back over to the main threads where you sleuths put pieces together and see if you can come up with something new.

But I do not really wish to continue the need to sign on and respond.

I will also say that if I do speak with MS today, I will not divulge the content of our conversation at this late stage of the ordeal.
Click to expand...

Skinner,
We all owe you a HUGE THANK YOU for entertaining the countless questions that we posed to you here. You have been more than patient in your attempts to answer them, even those that were uncomfortable. I apologize for offending you with some of my queries, and I thank you for your honesty in letting me know they were. You are the type of true friend any one of us would wish we had, in good times and bad. May you find the peace that only the Lord can bring as the next weeks and months unfold in this case.

Blessings to you,

CocoChanel
 
Skinner said:
AmazonRain,

You seem to know all the answers to the questions you ask me, but wanting my opinion for some reason.

In general to all of your questions, I do not know the answers. Many of your questions are to be answered in subjective replies by me.
Click to expand...

Skinner, I agree (a) and (c) are subjective questions where I was looking for your opinion based on your interaction with MS. I feel that the rest are valid questions with factual answers - but if you are uncomfortable answering these questions I certainly understand. Thank you.
 
Skinner said:
Nobody in FL contacted me yesterday, or today, and I was kinda wondering if I would get contacted by the FBI.

And now that you mention it, I'm wondering that since I have not, that this could be a very good sign.

But I truly believe that the FBI and authorities have access to everything they need, when piecing the puzzle together, and do not need personal testimony by friends of people, to solve the case.
Click to expand...

Actually, Skinner, I was also referring to contact by Mark. I have felt that Mark has used people (Lenka, the mother whose son's wedding was paid for by Mark) to further his story and that your posts would have bothered him in that he was not manipulating your input. Thank you, by the way, that your input has been yours and yours alone - I would expect that from a man of God. That being said, I see that you are writing that you missed a call from Mark which is exactly what I expected to happen. Do you think it is odd that after not speaking to you for a month that he would contact you on the day you are posting or is it typical for him to go some time without responding to you (recognizing that these are atypical times).
 
Take it easy, and thanks for the participation. I think you have been more than generous to stick with this as long as you did.
 
Last post.

I told you that I would not divulge the content of our conversation, but I spoke with him a couple hours ago and can tell you that he has no involvement at all. It's the Mark I know, and he said he is innocent of any wrong-doing.

Sincerely,
 
Skinner,
Thank you for taking the time and helping us get to know MS. God bless him and you as well. You are a wonderful friend. Take care.
 
Admin Note

This thread is now closed.

Skinner knows how to contact us should he want to continue the discussion.


Skinner, we appreciate your willingness to share your knowledge and insight. Thanks for continuing to answer so many direct questions. Mark is blessed to have such a loyal, caring friend. God bless. :)

ETA: For the sake of continuity and clarity, on 10/04/15 we reopened this thread. This included moving posts from other topical threads that were directed to Skinner and/or in which Skinner quoted and replied.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

DNASolves

Who is Escambia County John Doe (1989)?

Members online

... and 195 more.
Total: 3,285 (members: 196, guests: 3,089)

Online statistics

Members online
196
Guests online
3,089
Total visitors
3,285
Totals may include hidden visitors.

Forum statistics

Threads
595,814
Messages
18,034,770
Members
229,785
Latest member
Rosebud79922
Back
Top