Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother Part 6

[raisincharlie]

Originally Posted by Scout

Okay, you got me wondering, so I did a little searching and found a cache of the post where she writes about knowing Michelle:



Cached Link

Scout,

I think there are a bunch of them that started posting and as things evolved they stopped perhaps after LE interviews or something of that nature. I know one thing - I hope I never find myself in their shoes. This has to be incredibly difficult for all of them. I find myself not so much wanting to know who is who - just what is realistic.

ECU girl in particular struck me as someone who was more than just an occasional acquaintance - only because her comments, although somewhat cryptic, are also indicative of someone closer rather than further away. Perhaps closer to Meredith but either way, I think her comments are indicative of the mood, at least on one side of this issue. That side has reason to believe what they believe. Interesting, I think all the video shots from the funeral tend to bear this to be a truth - granted we did not see everything but there was little unity in what was shown. I don't know but her posts struck me as very genuine, even disregarding her thoughts about JY - the words resonate.

[Samiya]

Originally Posted by raisincharlie

Scout,

I think there are a bunch of them that started posting and as things evolved they stopped perhaps after LE interviews or something of that nature. I know one thing - I hope I never find myself in their shoes. This has to be incredibly difficult for all of them. I find myself not so much wanting to know who is who - just what is realistic.

ECU girl in particular struck me as someone who was more than just an occasional acquaintance - only because her comments, although somewhat cryptic, are also indicative of someone closer rather than further away. Perhaps closer to Meredith but either way, I think her comments are indicative of the mood, at least on one side of this issue. That side has reason to believe what they believe. Interesting, I think all the video shots from the funeral tend to bear this to be a truth - granted we did not see everything but there was little unity in what was shown. I don't know but her posts struck me as very genuine, even disregarding her thoughts about JY - the words resonate.

Speaking of funeral footage...

Absolutely nothing of Cassidy....not even a mention of her being in attendance. Every murder victim funeral footage I've seen that involves children of the deceased shows those children. For tissue factor and to bring it home to the general public how bad this is. Cassidy is a 'big news' part of this case and she is not there to say goodbye to mommy?

"stolen?" mmmmm

[raisincharlie]

Originally Posted by Samiya

Speaking of funeral footage...

Absolutely nothing of Cassidy....not even a mention of her being in attendance. Every murder victim funeral footage I've seen that involves children of the deceased shows those children. For tissue factor and to bring it home to the general public how bad this is. Cassidy is a 'big news' part of this case and she is not there to say goodbye to mommy?

"stolen?" mmmmm

Seems to me she was transported to Brevard at warp speed. Wonder why...hmmmmm back at you!

[packerdog]

Originally Posted by Samiya

Speaking of funeral footage...

Absolutely nothing of Cassidy....not even a mention of her being in attendance. Every murder victim funeral footage I've seen that involves children of the deceased shows those children. For tissue factor and to bring it home to the general public how bad this is. Cassidy is a 'big news' part of this case and she is not there to say goodbye to mommy?

"stolen?" mmmmm

Thanks for bringing this up, I never realized that Cassity wasn't at the funeral. Where do you think she was? most funerals where a mother has died with a small child, the child is with the family at the funeral. Even Robert Blake brought the baby.

[raisincharlie]

Originally Posted by packerdog

Thanks for bringing this up, I never realized that Cassity wasn't at the funeral. Where do you think she was? most funerals where a mother has died with a small child, the child is with the family at the funeral. Even Robert Blake brought the baby.

Now if you watch Linda Fisher's statement again - it makes more sense at the end.

[scandi]

Hi Sami, Did you answer Charlie yet if you heard the dog at all on that 911 tape?

Scandi

[raisincharlie]

Originally Posted by scandi

Hi Sami, Did you answer Charlie yet if you heard the dog at all on that 911 tape?

Scandi

Scandi,

Yes she did, Sami indicated she did not hear the dog on the tape which is why she believed the dog to be outside.

Sami - if I have misquoted you - feel free to correct me - otay?

[Samiya]

Originally Posted by raisincharlie

I agree, at that age she would be able to communicate this observation along with "boo boos", both beeding and boo boos are hearable on the 911 tape.


ETA - of you tape listeners - did anyone hear anything that might have been the dog in the background ? Samiya - dog or no dog - do you know ?

Hiya RC,

I can report that there is NO evidence of the dog on that recording. No barking and nothing that hints of the dog being in the house (no panting near the phone, no faint barking etc).

***Please note that WCSO/CID requested yesterday, and have received as of yesterday, all my audios and the final transcript...so I can talk about some areas of the call but can say nothing about Cassidy's voice within the recording.

[raisincharlie]

Originally Posted by Samiya

Hiya RC,

I can report that there is NO evidence of the dog on that recording. No barking and nothing that hints of the dog being in the house (no panting near the phone, no faint barking etc).

***Please note that WCSO/CID requested yesterday, and have received as of yesterday, all my audios and the final transcript...so I can talk about some areas of the call but can say nothing about Cassidy's voice within the recording.

Thanks for defining this for us Sami.

I'll not ask you anything about Cassidy - promise.

[Samiya]

Originally Posted by raisincharlie

Thanks for defining this for us Sami.

I'll not ask you anything about Cassidy - promise.

You're welcome RC,

Just thought I'd let people know.

On another topic, some people over on Ctv have made me wonder if they've gone mad. They know who they are if they read this but they're not people who also post here.

The speculation of Chelle's wedding ring being missing because her finger was cut off is borderline lunacy.

Not one of those people has bothered to think the possibility of if Chelle's wedding ring or engagement ring/wedding ring was not on her finger it would be because investigators have it for DNA sampling.

[scandi]

I promise not to either, OK Just glad you are a part of WS.

[raisincharlie]

Originally Posted by Samiya

You're welcome RC,

Just thought I'd let people know.

On another topic, some people over on Ctv have made me wonder if they've gone mad. They know who they are if they read this but they're not people who also post here.

The speculation of Chelle's wedding ring being missing because her finger was cut off is borderline lunacy.

Not one of those people has bothered to think the possibility of if Chelle's wedding ring or engagement ring/wedding ring was not on her finger it would be because investigators have it for DNA sampling.

Sami - you make too much sense sometimes ! Crack me up.

[scandi]

Sami, did you read that post at CTV where a poster stated there were things done to Michelle but she can't talk about it? Yesterday or the day before.

[Samiya]

Originally Posted by scandi

Sami, did you read that post at CTV where a poster stated there were things done to Michelle but she can't talk about it? Yesterday or the day before.

Hi Scandi,

I did read that. There's a lot of folks 'from raleigh' over there. Does the whole town of raleigh hang out in ctv? lol....anyone know the population count?

I think that person was hinting at the 'baby cut out' theory. Believe me, if there was anything inparticular that had been done to Chelle, Meredith would've said so and she would've been more uncontrollable than she was.

But unless someone has a copy of the full final AR, they'd know nothing except gossip and innuendo.

ETA: If it was sexual assault gone wrong....LE would have warned the entire neighborhood! Because that perp would still be out there.

ETA: Lights..I remember stating here about lights. Seems someone's reading my posts and running with it, lmao.

[scandi]

Sami, By 'lights' do you mean the statement early on that the outdoor lights had been on a couple of days before the murder?

Should the AR have been released by now? 6 weeks into the case. Maybe it is being held up for a reason. Just as the warrants that have been posted online might have been put out early for a specific reason {?}, or is it a law that when they are returned they become public? I know in some cases a judge will keep them sealed, and considering that hardly anything has been let out to us by LE, wonder why these warrants weren't sealed as well.

[Samiya]

Originally Posted by scandi

Sami, By 'lights' do you mean the statement early on that the outdoor lights had been on a couple of days before the murder?

Should the AR have been released by now? 6 weeks into the case. Maybe it is being held up for a reason. Just as the warrants that have been posted online might have been put out early for a specific reason {?}, or is it a law that when they are returned they become public? I know in some cases a judge will keep them sealed, and considering that hardly anything has been let out to us by LE, wonder why these warrants weren't sealed as well.

I'm referring to a post I made about lights possibly being on in the house at the time of the murder, because in the dark the perp would've had so much trouble hitting Chelle repeatedly in on area of her head. Either Chelle was not in bed alseep or the perp turned on the light if she was in bed.

I didn't add this part to my original post = If he did so, he wouldn't have been able to hit her in the back of the head first because she would've either rolled over or sat up in the bed. This is another reason to suspect that she knew this perp.

The AR can be released, held off, released to the court if it contains vital evidence or sealed never released to the public or released afte rthe trial is complete. There are a few cases where the final AR has never been released and all the public knows is what is in the PreAR, which is a very basic report to determine the actual cause of death. The preAR and full AR are done at the same time and two reports are made. Prelim released first, as the examination continues for the full report to be made.

IMPORTANT NOTE:

Lol In case anyone's wondering..

There is no 'baby cut from stomach' in this case. I should've made that clear so apologies for anyone thinking I may know something. That statement was made by me in light of a few cases of murder/removal and attempted removal of babies from pregnant mothers.

I just re-read my post and thought "oh my god, what must these poor WSers be thinking!".

Sorry folks

[oceanblueeyes]

Originally Posted by Samiya

Hi Scandi,

I did read that. There's a lot of folks 'from Raleigh' over there. Does the whole town of Raleigh hang out in ctv? lol....anyone know the population count?

I think that person was hinting at the 'baby cut out' theory. Believe me, if there was anything inparticular that had been done to Chelle, Meredith would've said so and she would've been more uncontrollable than she was.

But unless someone has a copy of the full final AR, they'd know nothing except gossip and innuendo.

ETA: If it was sexual assault gone wrong....LE would have warned the entire neighborhood! Because that perp would still be out there.

ETA: Lights..I remember stating here about lights. Seems someone's reading my posts and running with it, lmao.

But would LE have done so if they thought the sexual assault was just a staged act? Or if they thought Michelle and Jason had had sex?

I had wondered from day one how she was found. Semi-naked? Naked? That would be so important to know. What if they found semen and they assume it is Jason's but have not gotten the test results back yet?

Now if the baby was removed or Michelle's stomach cut then whoah...I have to think twice about it being Jason. That just doesn't add up imo.

If it is Jason I dont think he would have defiled her body except the wounds inflicted to kill her.

I know one of the close insiders said that Michelle was struck 10 times with what they thought was a hammer.

It is all so strange and it is taking soooooooo darned long to even know anything.

IMO

Ocean

[oceanblueeyes]

Originally Posted by scandi

Sami, By 'lights' do you mean the statement early on that the outdoor lights had been on a couple of days before the murder?

Should the AR have been released by now? 6 weeks into the case. Maybe it is being held up for a reason. Just as the warrants that have been posted online might have been put out early for a specific reason {?}, or is it a law that when they are returned they become public? I know in some cases a judge will keep them sealed, and considering that hardly anything has been let out to us by LE, wonder why these warrants weren't sealed as well.

Merry Christmas Scandi!

They should be out by now. The only way they cant be released is if the Judge seals them and usually that is done when the DA requests it.

The media should be all over the court clerk finding out this answer. Heck they should even report if they have checked and found the AR has been sealed. That would be news within itself.

IMO

Ocean

[raisincharlie]

Originally Posted by Samiya

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The AR can be released, held off, released to the court if it contains vital evidence or sealed never released to the public or released afte rthe trial is complete. There are a few cases where the final AR has never been released and all the public knows is what is in the PreAR, which is a very basic report to determine the actual cause of death. The preAR and full AR are done at the same time and two reports are made. Prelim released first, as the examination continues for the full report to be made.

Samiya,

Just as point of reference, and this link has nothing to do with the MY case, it appears that autopsy reports do take a while in Wake Co... This woman was found October 6th and the autopsy report was recently completed.

http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/521617.html

Again this has nothing to do with MY - it is used only to demonstrate the length of time for the autopsy report to be completed - approximately 2 months. This was a very nasty slaying by the way - committed by a woman on top of it. JMO

ETA - Hinman it would be nice if you come here and take ideas back with you, that you at least credit the person who's thought you took with you when posting to another venue. JMO - it is a nice thing to do. I'm sure you understand, you should have included Samiya as the source for your thought.

[hinman]

Originally Posted by raisincharlie

Samiya,

Just as point of reference, and this link has nothing to do with the MY case, it appears that autopsy reports do take a while in Wake Co... This woman was found October 6th and the autopsy report was recently completed.

http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/521617.html

Again this has nothing to do with MY - it is used only to demonstrate the length of time for the autopsy report to be completed - approximately 2 months. This was a very nasty slaying by the way - committed by a woman on top of it. JMO

ETA - Hinman it would be nice if you come here and take ideas back with you, that you at least credit the person who's thought you took with you when posting to another venue. JMO - it is a nice thing to do. I'm sure you understand, you should have included Samiya as the source for your thought.

Hi all I have never posted on a board before so this will be my first time. I do not know what you mean when you say I took an idea from you and posted on another venue. Do you mean the CTV bored I know there is a user over there with the same name as me. I do not even know what venue is besides reading on here that you guys read post from over there I am assuming it is another bored. I tried to sign up over there but couldn't because someone had the same name. I am sorry if I have done something wrong but I just come here to catch up on some news and a coworker told me this was a good sight. I like all your insights into the case. I am going to go see if I can find the bored and find out who has got the same user name as me. That is kinda neat. I use that name because it relates to my name. Well again I am sorry about the confusion. I hope you guys will accept me on this bored.

[raisincharlie]

Originally Posted by hinman

Hi all I have never posted on a board before so this will be my first time. I do not know what you mean when you say I took an idea from you and posted on another venue. Do you mean the CTV bored I know there is a user over there with the same name as me. I do not even know what venue is besides reading on here that you guys read post from over there I am assuming it is another bored. I tried to sign up over there but couldn't because someone had the same name. I am sorry if I have done something wrong but I just come here to catch up on some news and a coworker told me this was a good sight. I like all your insights into the case. I am going to go see if I can find the bored and find out who has got the same user name as me. That is kinda neat. I use that name because it relates to my name. Well again I am sorry about the confusion. I hope you guys will accept me on this bored.

Hinman,

This would be my error then as there is indeed another poster at CTV with the same name. I saw that hinman was here reading the board and then the post appears at CTV. Since you have explained, please accept my apologies as it would not have been directed to you, I promise. You know what they say about assumptions... . You need not apologize - my bad.

Don't lurk - jump in and help us out here. The more ideas we have to work with - the better. Again, please accept my apology.

RC

[hinman]

Originally Posted by raisincharlie

Hinman,

This would be my error then as there is indeed another poster at CTV with the same name. I saw that hinman was here reading the board and then the post appears at CTV. Since you have explained, please accept my apologies as it would not have been directed to you, I promise. You know what they say about assumptions... . You need not apologize - my bad.

Don't lurk - jump in and help us out here. The more ideas we have to work with - the better. Again, please accept my apology.

RC

RC
I do not mind at all I feel bad now for lurking. I would assume the same thing. I went over to CTV and there is a poster over there with my name. Weird isn't it. I just want all you to know I promise it is not me posting over there. I will start adding my thoughts and thanks for welcoming me. I just joined when the Michelle Young case broke. I found it very interresting. I am still not sure who I feel is the perp but I am definetely leaning towards JY.

[raisincharlie]

Originally Posted by hinman

RC
I do not mind at all I feel bad now for lurking. I would assume the same thing. I went over to CTV and there is a poster over there with my name. Weird isn't it. I just want all you to know I promise it is not me posting over there. I will start adding my thoughts and thanks for welcoming me. I just joined when the Michelle Young case broke. I found it very interresting. I am still not sure who I feel is the perp but I am definetely leaning towards JY.

Your name is probably why you could not sign up over there since the name is already in use. There is no requirement here to decide who you think is involved, so don't worry. We need all angles of input - the more angles the more thought and puzzling to do. I will be the first to admit to suffering occasionally from tunnel vision - the good thing - someone here always rattles me out of it. So I am glad you have posted. Please to continue and share your thoughts with us - they would be welcome I assure you.

[scandi]

Hi Ocean,

Merry Christmas to you too I guess our Christmas smilies are all up helping Santa Bet you're going to be doing a lot of cooking. I read that you were a cheerleader with the gal on the FoodChannel who is the great Southern cook. I bet she was a fun one to know, and always kept you hopping!

Not one new article this week that I know of. It has to be there are warrants yet to come back - well like Charlie stated he didn't think the SUV warrant is back 'cause he'll be all over it when it's published. Taking their time, the DA is just bucking eagle eyes and claws in the law firm they'll be up against is all I can think of.

Thinking about that post where the friend said things were done to Michelle and it wasn't the right time to talk about this. I thought her post was very sincere and almost humble, and so I think there is some fire there. I read the post linked by someone from the poster who mentioned to ask J___ {can't remember the 3 last letters of this name} about what was missing at the funeral. Cassidy wasn't there but I don't think that would be it. I agree with Sami it wouldn't have been removing the baby. But besides what we've heard Cassidy say on the tapes, if something personal were done to the body as suggested over at CTV, it would immediately tell Sheriff Harrison it was not a random crime. Do you know what the J___ name refered to?

Scandi

[close_enough]

Originally Posted by raisincharlie

Morning Close

Hope this day finds you well. I've been studying again and now I am wondering. JY's SUV is an Explorer which is not the large Ford Suv model by any means, sort of mid sized. I'm studying on how practical it would be to cram five people (JY, Mom, Dad, Sis, and Brother in law) into this vehicle with all of their luggage, packed for an unknown number of days, and drive back together in this vehicle to Raleigh.

For some reason I see two people and the luggage in the SUV and the others in another vehicle. We can deduce all of the luggage was in the SUV based on Step Dad's reaction to it being confiscated (to inculde medications). With this in mind, I'm thinking there is a strong potential that JYs luggage would not have been removed from that vehicle prior to this return trip (hope so). I seem to recall, but can't confirm through the links we have, that the BIL was driving the SUV. The only reason I'm studying this is because a poster at CTV, supposedly an insider, has indicated that there is video surveilance from the hotel were JY supposedly stay - this means to me at least - something was found very quickly to track him to a specific hotel the night of the murder in order to have a surveilance video. Or the poster is blowing smoke.
Any thoughts ?

ETA - according to warrants 2 cell phones belonging to JY were confiscated from the SUV.

yeah, what a way to get a timeline going!....

my middle son has an older model Explorer..(no way i can think what year, but i think it's an 80-something..it's a nice size but it's not humongous or anything...5 people & luggage would be a tad snug, IMO...hmm, wonder the timeframe is once JY "plumb fell to his knees" to the time the clan packed up & jumped in the vehicle/vehicles, & rushed back to Raleigh?