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Old 08-23-2008, 05:54 PM
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can't post for a bit... duty calls!

actually, might be awhile... my sis wants me to watch a movie coming on right now, called "Plain Truth"... channel 52 on our cable... LMN or something?

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Old 08-23-2008, 06:10 PM
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I believe that she was born soon after sunrise, actually. Fiddling with the chart, I've found that this would tighten the Moon's opposition to Neptune, which applies, I think. Puts Aries on the Asc and Venus near there...

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Quoting myself

Because I want to add that a morning (approx 7am) birth would also put progressed Moon opposite Natal Pluto.

More speculation, I probably shouldn't be guessing like this. I wonder if there is anyone on this sleuthing website who could find us the time of birth?

Have a nice evening, housemouse! Hope you enjoy the movie.
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Old 08-23-2008, 06:31 PM
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Casey was born Mar 19.

I believe that she was born soon after sunrise, actually. Fiddling with the chart, I've found that this would tighten the Moon's opposition to Neptune, which applies, I think. Puts Aries on the Asc and Venus near there...

Just speculating
Hi Nep, I agree with you! I recast Casey's chart for 3-19-86 at 6:38 am which gives an ASC of 28:31 Pisces conjunct Sun at 28:34 Pisces, with Venus intercepted in the 1st House at 12:52 Aries. Venus in the 1st House often gives a very pretty face. This chart also puts the MC (Midheaven) aat 29:13 Sagittarius. On the pretrial date transit Pluto will be smack on that natal Midheaven.

Also notice Casey's Moon at 7:16 Cancer would be in close square to Caylee's 4:35 Libra Moon. These two did NOT get along... Caylee's emotional needs (Moon) conflicted enormously with Casey's emotional needs (Moon).

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Old 08-23-2008, 06:33 PM
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Quoting myself

Because I want to add that a morning (approx 7am) birth would also put progressed Moon opposite Natal Pluto.

More speculation, I probably shouldn't be guessing like this. I wonder if there is anyone on this sleuthing website who could find us the time of birth?

Have a nice evening, housemouse! Hope you enjoy the movie.
Yes, yes, yes, PLEASE could someone get us Casey's birth time???

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Old 08-23-2008, 08:52 PM
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That movie wore me out!

Anyway, here is a head's up to sleuthers. Please do not pm me, and ask for chart readings, and ask for what is coming up in your future. Honest astrologers would never dare to go up against God! This is against my religious beliefs. I cannot read your future, and the Bible warns me against fortune telling.

If you have a Bible, read it! Particularly read God's final answer to Job, and then read Job's final answer to God. Also read Ecclesiastes.

We humans do not, and never will have all the answers. All we can do is see through a glass, darkly.

God has given us clues, but He is in charge, and anyone who pretends to know His design is a deceiver, and that includes "astrologists and psykicks" looking for fame.

Neptunian, Soulscape, and myself do not want fame or money. We do not pretend to understand God's plan. While we respect the power found in studying astrology, we do not confuse that with our own power.

We know how curious people can be about their own charts, and those of their loved ones. But, please understand, we do not know everything about everybody. That is not what the proper study of astrology is all about.

We each are born with a natal chart, which describes our individual challenges and gifts. And while astrology gives us information about the burdens we each must face, and choices we have to make, we each have free will. How do we each our best to express our individual charts, in our own little lives, to do God's will in a helpful and positive way?

Astrology can give us insight, but the Bible is the best place to go to tell us how to meet the challenges, and how to express our gifts.
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Hello Housemouse, I am glad you took some time for yourself today. Good for you! I can almost feel, from all 3 of you, that studying these charts for Caylee is wearing on y'all emotionally. I just wanted to thank you AGAIN for your insight. Catherine
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Astrology can give us insight, but the Bible is the best place to go to tell us how to meet the challenges, and how to express our gifts.
OT It's very rare to meet someone who studies the knowledge of the Magi.
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Old 08-24-2008, 08:57 AM
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His first name is Jesse? Isn't that a coincidence! You are a good sleuther, MommaD! I did see those dates... I am hoping for a time for that first hearing on the 22nd of July. I have been watching the videos of them, but have to get my husband put to bed now.

He has Parkinson's and needs my help with the physical stuff. Will be back on later, maybe, if I don't run out of energy!
havent heard a thing ... only the time that was posted 845 am and she didnt have to be there so didnt see anything in news about it cos she was getting out.. and baez had already sent a written not guilty to the court. thats all he had to do.. I am guessing that either it went like clock work and just posted for the record for court files.. or was cancelled which i dought.. has to be a record of it. jmo


ok sorry this is completly wrong.. I have been up alnight and just dawned on me its august now.. lol ok will see what I can do.. for the july 22 time..

ok found the time of the july 22 bond hearing it was at 130 pm .. pretty sure it started on time.. jmo
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Old 08-24-2008, 09:22 AM
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MommaD,

Do you or anyone else know WHERE the trial will be held?? I have heard talk that there's no way Casey would get a **fair trial** in Orlando [Duh!!] and they need to move the venue elsewhere....

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as far as I know as of right now its in orlando.. it has the date, time, and room number for it posted on the county clerks site.. so as far a changing and moving havent heard a thing yet..

also I have you quoted on my sig line. if you would not like me to use it just let me know.. but I love the quote and truly believe it.
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Old 08-24-2008, 09:24 AM
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Many Thanks to House Mouse, Neptunian and Soulscape for posting the books and sites for info on astrology. I will be getting some books soon for sure. didnt make it this weekend . hubby worked but soon..
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as far as I know as of right now its in orlando.. it has the date, time, and room number for it posted on the county clerks site.. so as far a changing and moving havent heard a thing yet..

also I have you quoted on my sig line. if you would not like me to use it just let me know.. but I love the quote and truly believe it.
Hi MommaD,

While I certainly said what you are quoting, it is NOT an original quote from me. I don't know who originally said it, but it's been around for a very long time, maybe even since the early days of Astrology...

Nonetheless, it is true. The Stars don't lie. People lie, but the Stars do not lie. I have worked with forensic horary astrology for several years. I have not always been able to determine whether the missing person is dead or alive in every chart I've ever examined, but I have been right more often than not. There are several extremely strong testimonies in several of the charts I have examined in this case that lead me to judge that the baby is dead and that her death was due to the actions or non-actions of the mother. I COULD BE WRONG. But I don't think I am.

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Old 08-24-2008, 10:09 AM
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Anyway, here is a head's up to sleuthers. Please do not pm me, and ask for chart readings, and ask for what is coming up in your future.

God has given us clues, but He is in charge, and anyone who pretends to know His design is a deceiver, and that includes "astrologists and psykicks" looking for fame.

Astrology can give us insight, but the Bible is the best place to go to tell us how to meet the challenges, and how to express our gifts.
HM, I respectfully snipped your post, easy to see from it you are a lady who has deep integrity and it's obviously why you are one of my favorite posters here. I hope my bumping of your thread here in no way caused the slew of PM's. I was simply noting the accuracy of all the work here/juxtaposed with the true factual known occurances in Caylee's case; and am hopeful that LE and investigating personnel consider it's use as an additional resource in their investigations.
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Old 08-24-2008, 10:39 AM
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HM sure hope it wasn't me to cause the slew of pm's you were getting . am ss if it was me..
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Old 08-24-2008, 11:02 AM
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Please understand, I do not mind sending people their natal charts, if I have the correct birth date, time, and location.

I do not mind sending computer-generated interpretations of their charts, either, and I can generate "forecasts" for a couple of months at a time.

The forecasts are kind of like weather forecasts, they give the dates of major transits, and some general info about the planets involved.

What I cannot do is tell someone what will happen in the future. God alone knows that.
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Old 08-24-2008, 11:34 AM
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The Natal Promise
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I am quoting sections from Carol Rushman’s book, The Art of Predictive Astrology. What is bolded is my emphasis.

…What is promised in the natal chart is also important. Most of what happens in our lives is shown quite clearly in the natal promise. …

…Is marriage promised in the natal chart? Is divorce? … if it’s not promised, it’s not going to happen. … [what about] success, fame, or money? These things don’t happen without luck in the natal chart.

…Is violence or rape a possibility? The potential for this in indicated in a chart, too. Mars and Pluto can show if and when a rape, assault, violence, or even emotional abuse could happen.


…violence or rape… There’s not going to be that kind of trauma in life unless it’s promised. It’s the same with cancer or a serious illness. Then, the natal setup has to be stimulated for the violence to occur. The stage is first set by progressions, then triggered by a transit, lunation, the progressed Moon, or some combination of these. …

…Mars/Pluto is definitely a violent aspect… I always worry about these aspects because it is important to use this energy properly, otherwise it could manifest in a negative way. …

…The time when any aspect becomes partile, or exact, by progression is when I expect the aspect to manifest. …

…The other thing that can happen with Mars/Pluto aspect is abuse, battery or violence. …

(See The Art of Predictive Astrology, p29-30, and 64-66.)

I have quoted this because I examined Caylee Anthony’s natal chart specifically looking to see if it contains the natal promise of harm from the mother. I will post that analysis later today.

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Friends, I haven't forsaken you all, and Caylee. I am busy doing some sleuthing on another missing person/death.

I will be back as soon as I get this other problem case worked through.
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Friends, I haven't forsaken you all, and Caylee. I am busy doing some sleuthing on another missing person/death.

I will be back as soon as I get this other problem case worked through.
Housemouse I will add my prayers for this person and their family also. You are an awesome person btw!
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Housemouse I will add my prayers for this person and their family also. You are an awesome person btw!
I second that Anais-

I am the person House Mouse has so graciously been working on a case for all day today, God Bless her heart. She has done a beyond amazing job which I am in awe over; stunning accuracy would be an understatement.

I have asked her if it was ok to keep private until I have an opportunity to review with our family and gain their permission, I will post if and when appropriate.

My heartfelt thanks again to you HouseMouse.
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Old 08-24-2008, 08:37 PM
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Blink, I say again. I do not want recognition or publicity. I only do what I can, and you are under no obligation to share anything with anyone, if that is your preference.

Sometimes it is best to keep things private, if it would hurt people if these were made public.
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Old 08-24-2008, 09:26 PM
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Housemouse you are an angel! I think we should change your name from housemouse to AngelInTheHouse!
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The Natal Promise (continued)

If you printed Caylee’s natal chart, you may want to look at it as I give this analysis.

I am specifically looking at this chart to assess whether it contains a natal promise of harm from, through, or by the Mother.

The first thing I look at is the Moon, since in Astrology, the Moon symbolizes the mother. Here, it is at 4:35 Libra in the 2nd House. It is conjunct (next to) Part of Fortune, Jupiter and the South Node. So far, nothing alarming, although I’m not thrilled to see South Node as part of the configuration. Remember, I am looking at this chart through a forensic lens which is different than assessing a natal chart in the usual way. In horary astrology, the Nodes of the Moon are malefic, they cause more harm than good, particularly the South Node. (The North Node can indicate Fate and can also be considered positive, depending on its location in the chart.)

Caylee’s Moon is in Libra. Libra is ruled by Venus, so we say Caylee’s Moon is disposited by Venus. Venus is not in great shape. It is in Virgo, the sign of its Fall. It is sesquiquadrate (135 degrees, an angle of stress) Mars and closely square Pluto. Mars is also sesquiquadrate Pluto, making Mars the Midpoint of Venus/Pluto. So Venus, the dispositor of Caylee’s Moon (mother) is involved in a stressful configuration with Mars (aggression/violence) and Pluto (brutality). The Moon is also semisquare (45 degrees, an angle of stress) the Ascendant, which symbolizes the body. By now, the Moon is not looking so helpful to Caylee.

Remember in my previous post I noted that hard Mars/Pluto configurations in a chart show POTENTIAL for rape, assault, violence, or even emotional abuse. The Moon in Caylee’s chart is quincunx (150 degrees) Mars. The quincunx is an angle of irritation and stress. It gives a sense of a back & forth (quincunx) emotional (Moon) trauma/drama/stress (quincunx) caused by anger (Mars). This contact of the Moon with Mars pulls the Moon into the already stressful Mars/ Venus/ Pluto sesquiquadrate/sesquiquadrate/square configuration. This is a strong testimony that there is natal promise in this chart of harm from, through, or by the mother.

In Astrology, the Midheaven/IC axis (10th and 4th Houses) symbolizes the parents in a natal chart. There is considerable debate over which house rules the Mother and which the Father. If I choose Mars, the ruler of the 4th House Scorpio, I see it is involved with the Moon/ Mars/ Venus/ Pluto configuration. If I choose Venus, the ruler of the 10th House Taurus, I see the same thing. No matter which one I choose to symbolize the Mother in this chart, both Venus and Mars are involved in the Moon/ Mars/ Venus/ Pluto configuration. This is another testimony of harm from, through, or by the mother.

Since I am examining this chart looking for the mother influence, I want to consider Ceres which symbolizes how we are nurtured and how we nurture. (Ceres was considered to be an Asteroid until it was elevated to Dwarf Planet status a couple years back.) In this chart, Ceres (not shown) is located at 16:51 Scorpio, conjunct (next to) the 4th House cusp (17:37 Scorpio). Ceres is partile (in the same degree) square the Sun and partile square Neptune. In other words, it is the focal point of a T-square with Sun opposite Neptune, and since SUN/ NEPTUNE lies close to the Ascendant/Descendant axis, those points are involved in the T-Square as well.

Ceres exactly square the Sun suggests nurturing by the mother harms the child and Ceres exactly square Neptune suggests nobody realizes it!!! (Neptune fogs everything up, nothing can be seen clearly with Neptune.) No wonder the friends and family were saying what a wonderful mother Casey was and how she would never harm her child. Ceres square Ascendant suggests nurturing (Ceres) that harms the body (Ascendant).

My forensic astrological conclusion: YES. Caylee’s chart shows considerable natal promise of harm from, through, or by the Mother.

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The Natal Promise (continued)

My forensic astrological conclusion: YES. Caylee’s chart shows considerable natal promise of harm from, through, or by the Mother.

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Soulscape,

That certainly wasn't what I wanted to hear, but I am no way surprised. I just want to believe that precious Caylee is still alive.

As a mother, I cannot fathom acting one way toward your child around people and then acting a different way in private. How exhausting it would be. Not to mention, poor Caylee must have been terribly confused! She must have been so scared to be alone with KC. That thought saddens me even more.

Thank you again for sharing your enlightening knowledge.
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Sometimes it is best to keep things private, if it would hurt people if these were made public.
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