Theory #2: Family Abduction by George Waters with George Brody and/or Associates

[Dr. Doogie]

[quote=iNTERESTEDWOMAN]One more thing on this subject before you guys kick me out of here...[quote]

I think the points you bring up are worthy of discussion. Even if some people may think you are way off base, your research is valid and valuable (even if it turns out to be not related to Anna). We need to look at all possibilities - the mundane and the wierd. Don't be discouraged if what you find is dissected and dismissed - when we look at something and ultimately decide that it is unrelated, we have crossed another possibility off of the list (and that is progress!).

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

On 2-28-07 I sent an e-mail to the author of the book Seductive Poison. In this book, author Deborah Layton Blakey wrote about her 7 year experiences of being a high level member of the "Peoples Temple". She managed to escape Jonestown just weeks prior to the mass suicide/murder in Guyana. Apparently she is the sister (Or sis-in-law, I seen it listed as both) of Larry Layton, an attorney for Jones, and the only person to have ever faced prison time for the murder of CA Congressman, Leo Ryan. She is also a native of the San Fransisco area. After 10 days with no reply, I sent the letter again. It was returned undeliverable with in a few minutes...strange. Anyway, I hope I haven't stepped on any toes. A copy of the letter I sent her is attached. This is so frustrating!


Hello Ms. Layton,



I’m hoping you can lead me into the right direction into researching the children of the People’s Temple, and how many of them came there under illegal circumstances. I (as well as MANY others) have been trying to locate a female child, by the name of Anna Christian Waters that was abducted from a rural area of Half Moon Bay, CA in Jan. 1973 at the age of 5 years old. (DOB 9-25-67) It is thought that maybe the child’s biological father, who had joint custody at the time, and his Sr. Mentor had something to do with her disappearance. They happen to live just a few blocks from the San Francisco Peoples Temple HQ at the time of her disappearance. While the child was never found, her father Dr. George Waters, MD and his elder mentor, George Brody may have had weak ties with the Peoples Temple. Anna will be 40 years old this year.



I need to know how often, if ever, the Peoples Temple would “make a deal” with someone to take their child “off their hands”. There was some information (obtained from the safe deposit box of Father after his suicide) that mentions a plan (dated Jan. 1973) of setting up of a life insurance policy for himself making Anna the beneficiary, then 3 months later increasing the amount and then another 3 months later changing the Beneficiary to an unknown person. Could this have been a practice of Jones to except children?



Interestingly, when the elder “Mentor” George Brody died in the 80’s he was cremated at Evergreen Cemetery in Oakland. 12 days after he died, Dr. Waters committed suicide by drinking cyanide, leading me to believe they felt some remorse over the missing child.



If you can think of anywhere I can search for a roster of the “foster children” of the People’s Temple, or clear pictures of them to compare, please let me know. I’ve searched just about every popular Internet site, and even went through every single name listed at www.jonestown.sdsu.edu and am still at a loss. The mother of Anna has spent the last 34 years looking for her lost child, and I would really like to help her.



Thank you very much for any information you can give me. By the way, I look forward to reading your book.



Sincerely,



Lori



PS: I can forward you a link to a photo album with her last known pictures, age progression pictures and several pictures of the area she was abducted from as well as her father George Waters and his mentor George Brody if any of this rings a bell to you. Also, George Brody could have been an alias. No other information can be found on him other than what appears a false birth date.

[smile22]

i think the letter was right to the point and a very good one i see no reason for her not to reply to you unless shes has very strong ties to some of the members of the church and will keep mum about stuff. once i was trying to send a letter to someone online and it would go through and stuff and would take a week to get back to me undeliverable and i knew the web address was having some email issues well i resent the letter after a week had passed and 5 minnuts later got a return to sender so it is possible the email is outdated

[WholeLottaRosie]

I would try again, since the first one never came back. I think sometimes it could be mail server issues. But, you never know.

[Annasmom]

Originally Posted by smile22

i think the letter was right to the point and a very good one i see no reason for her not to reply to you unless shes has very strong ties to some of the members of the church and will keep mum about stuff. once i was trying to send a letter to someone online and it would go through and stuff and would take a week to get back to me undeliverable and i knew the web address was having some email issues well i resent the letter after a week had passed and 5 minnuts later got a return to sender so it is possible the email is outdated

You might try printing the letter out and sending it by regular post to her publisher.

[Dr. Doogie]

I spoke to SherlockJr last night and our discussion has opened up a couple of new ideas for investigation. We concluded that since we know that the newer portrait of Brody was taken circa 1970, the picture of Brody as a younger man was probably 25-to-30 years before. That means that the picture was taken circa 1940-1945 in San Francisco - exactly when Margaret Kukoda came to San Francisco during WWII.

This bolsters the theory that Brody and Margaret knew each other in PA (they are both from PA and they both appear in SF at the same time). If so, someone in Kukoda's family may know who Brody is - possibly even his real name. SherlockJr is going to persue this angle and contact any surviving siblings and other family members to see if they can provide us with any additional information.

Meanwhile, I will be speaking to LE shortly to see if we can get some of the contents of the Box from Hell back so we can persue some of the leads that require its contents. Hopefully, I will also get an update on the progress of their investigation.

[SherlockJr]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doogie

This bolsters the theory that Brody and Margaret knew each other in PA (they are both from PA and they both appear in SF at the same time). If so, someone in Kukoda's family may know who Brody is - possibly even his real name. SherlockJr is going to persue this angle and contact any surviving siblings and other family members to see if they can provide us with any additional information.

According to death records for Margaret, she was born in NJ. However the town in PA where she lived before moving to CA was Doylestown in Bucks County.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Is the census records you have been going by for the Margaret Kukoda Family the 1930 Bucks county, Durham PA records? Is this the information you are going by determining MK is from PA?

Father- Anthony Kukoda b. 1875
Mother- Esther Kukoda b. 1885
Children - Stephen, Joseph, Frank, Michael, Margaret, John, Madeline

In 1910 - NJ they spelled it Kukido with Kuksdo listed as an alternate spelling. In 1920 - NJ they spelled it Kahnhe with Kokoda listed as an alternate spelling. By 1930 the spelling became Kukoda, by then 3 of the children had moved from the house and 2 of the boys where found living in MI as loggers (in 1930) and continued to spell it Kokoda. Any of these spellings could be used by any of them.

I can go into more detail if anyone is interested. I am positive they are the same families. All the kids (10 total) birth years, first names all match up according to year etc.

I don't think this Margaret is Brody's MK as someone else mentioned the birth months are off.

[Dr. Doogie]

Originally Posted by iNTERESTEDWOMAN

Is the census records you have been going by for the Margaret Kukoda Family the 1930 Bucks county, Durham PA records? Is this the information you are going by determining MK is from PA?

Father- Anthony Kukoda b. 1875
Mother- Esther Kukoda b. 1885
Children - Stephen, Joseph, Frank, Michael, Margaret, John, Madeline

In 1910 - NJ they spelled it Kukido with Kuksdo listed as an alternate spelling. In 1920 - NJ they spelled it Kahnhe with Kokoda listed as an alternate spelling. By 1930 the spelling became Kukoda, by then 3 of the children had moved from the house and 2 of the boys where found living in MI as loggers (in 1930) and continued to spell it Kokoda. Any of these spellings could be used by any of them.

I can go into more detail if anyone is interested. I am positive they are the same families. All the kids (10 total) birth years, first names all match up according to year etc.

I don't think this Margaret is Brody's MK as someone else mentioned the birth months are off.

Please do continue looking into this. I am especially interested in the branch of the family that ended up in Michigan. Thanks!

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

No one has clarified the Margaret Kukoda question I asked a couple times yesterday. Dr. Doogie...anyone? Is the Margaret, (Daughter of Anthony & Esther Kukoda) the one you believe to be Brody's MK? If so, has anyone called her sister Madlyn Chasar? (It is spelled Madaline in the census records, but spelled Madlyn in her parents obits) She's still alive (85) and lives in Hellertown PA. I've got her phone number if you want it.

Again, I will state that this Margaret has a different birth month than Brody's Margaret.

[SherlockJr]

Originally Posted by iNTERESTEDWOMAN

No one has clarified the Margaret Kukoda question I asked a couple times yesterday. Dr. Doogie...anyone? Is the Margaret, (Daughter of Anthony & Esther Kukoda) the one you believe to be Brody's MK? If so, has anyone called her sister Madlyn Chasar? (It is spelled Madaline in the census records, but spelled Madlyn in her parents obits) She's still alive (85) and lives in Hellertown PA. I've got her phone number if you want it.

Again, I will state that this Margaret has a different birth month than Brody's Margaret.

Madlyn is no longer living in her home. A neighbor was able to give me some information where to find her.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Originally Posted by SherlockJr

Madlyn is no longer living in her home. A neighbor was able to give me some information where to find her.

YIPEE! So she is still alive...(I had my doubts after I posted that...and seeing my mother was still listed as living)that is so cool!!! Oh the answers to many mysteries that lady could hold. I just hope she doesn't have dementia or alzheimer's or any mind altering disease! I'm praying she's like my 85 year old next door neighbor who remembers everything about everybody all the time!!!

[Cubby]

Just a tought. This thread is so long perhaps it's time to start a second and lock this one. Can you look into that Doogie?

[Dr. Doogie]

This thread has been moved to a Part 2. Please post any new info on the new thread. Thanks!

[SherlockJr]

Originally Posted by laini

I found a George L. Brody listed in the online index of 'Cemetary Inscriptions Of Stark County, Ohio' Volume 4 - 1982. I wonder if Brody was from Ohio and had arranged for his ashes to be buried there, or if this is not even our Brody. I can find no further information. I don't know if the 1982 is referring to when the index was published or the date the cemetary inscription was made.

Wanted to bump this up...

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Interesting. Laini's post has a lot more significance now knowing L. is possibly Brody's middle name.

[Cubby]

since we have a part two started, I sent Christine a pm asking she lock this one.