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OH GOOD GOD I think you have something

I have to go to bed I will re look at the article I read - Im sure the mother said the daughter was dead

will get back to you in the AM


The girl really looks like the dead Jane Doe
I think the nose may be a bit different on the boy ?

Chat tommorow x
 
I can't believe the resemblance. I THINK I see a mole but not sure. I wish Cesar didn't have glasses on so we could see his eyebrows. Jock's eyebrows are so bushy.

It did say in the article JaneInOz first posted that the mother found out Maria had been murdered but I can't find how she was ID'd either. I also read last night when I was going through the articles posted on here that Maria had given birth to her son in December 1976 and the Mystery Couple were murdered in August 1976, so I thought that would definitely rule Maria out. But I just went through the articles again and I can't find where it says she had her baby in December '76 at all now! I must had thought I saw that or something....:confused:

Anyway, I can't believe how much Maria looks like our Jane Doe!
 
Ok so on the link I posted on the previous page
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71448&page=2
The girl in that pic also named Maria Vasquez looks a little different to the Maria that Lizza posted.
The article says

Marta's daughter Maria disappeared in 1976. After 8 years of searching and hoping, Marta finally learned that Maria had been killed. But she also learned that before Maria was murdered, she had given birth to a son who was subsequently adopted. After a long and frustrating search, Marta Vasquez is now sure she has found her missing grandson - a young man in his early 20s. But when she arrived, unannounced, at the office where he works, she was unprepared for his reaction.[/B

If she knows she has been killed / murdered then there must be a body ? yeah?

But Gosh when the comparison pics put up side by side by MaedchenX its spookily the same.

Marias nose etc compared to Jane Doe
The boy look at his lips on the Missing Man in the middle with glasses and then look at the lips on the John Doe body (not sketch)

see how the lip curls up on the left ?

So does one send these pics in the the LE and say what do you think LOL

If so go ahead and do it someone ! because they do look very very similar

(its just the whole mother saying Maria was murdered etc - but maybe its two different Marias?)
 
Here is this page !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://translate.google.com.au/tran...refox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=aSV


Caesar disappeared May 14th 1976

This was a page in foreign language that you hit the Transalte this page and it came up with this ...
Lay Catholics were militants. Estaban casados y María Marta tenía un mes de embarazo. And Mary were married Marta had a month of pregnancy.

Fueron secuestrados en su domicilio (Emilio Mitre No 1258 piso 11o departamento "D" de Capital) en la madrugada del 14 de mayo de 1976 por personal de la Armada uniformado. They were abducted from their home (Emilio No. 1258 Miter 11th floor apartment "D" Capital) in the early hours of May 14, 1976 by uniformed personnel from the Navy. Ese mismo día desaparecieron los militantes laicos Beatriz Carbonell de Pérez Weiss, María Esther Lorusso Lammle, Horacio Pérez Weiss, Mónica María Candelaria Mignone y Mónica Quinteiro That same day the militants lay disappeared Beatriz Perez Carbonell Weiss, Mary Esther LORUSSO Lammle, Horacio Perez Weiss, Monica Maria Candelaria Mignone and Monica Quinteiro

Pudo saberse por personas que compartieron su cautiverio y luego fueron liberados, que María Marta y César permanecieron detenidos-desaparecidos en la Escuela de Mecánica de la Armada. Could know by people who shared his captivity and then released, that Mary and Martha Caesar arrested and missing remained at the School of Mechanical Engineering of the Navy. Allí, según el ex marino Adolfo Scilingo, María Marta dio a luz un varón a mediados de enero There, according to former Marine Adolfo Scilingo, Marta Maria gave birth to a boy in mid-January

La pareja y su hijo continúan desaparecidos. The couple and their son are still missing.
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Blah when you copy and paste it screws up the translation - just hit the link and you will see what it says better

Now its interesting that it says they were abducted 14th May and our dead Jane Do and John Do were found August but on that page it says it "was reported by marine that Maria gave birth January (1977) "

What if that was a LIE ?? a cover up that they were infact murdered OR they escaped and then were murdered But then was there any report that Jane doe was pregnant ? gave birth ? anything ?

This was another person kidnapped at the same time http://translate.google.com.au/tran...refox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=aSV
 
Today I read a number of articles written in Spanish.

They all say the couple was arrested but their bodies were never found. They are missing and presumed dead. As far as the baby is concerned, this information is coming from only one person, former Marine Adolfo Scilingo. Apparently, he had stated the baby was born in December and on another occasion he had said the baby was born in January.

Nobody knows for sure.
 
JaneInOz said:
Here is this page !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://translate.google.com.au/tran...refox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=aSV


Caesar disappeared May 14th 1976

This was a page in foreign language that you hit the Transalte this page and it came up with this ...


Blah when you copy and paste it screws up the translation - just hit the link and you will see what it says better

Now its interesting that it says they were abducted 14th May and our dead

Jane Do and John Do were found August but on that page it says it "was

reported by marine that Maria gave birth January (1977) "

What IF that was a LIE ??
a cover up that they were infact murdered OR they escaped and then were

murdered But then was there any report that Jane doe was pregnant ? gave birth ? anything ?

This was another person kidnapped at the same time http://translate.google.com.au/tran...refox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=aSV
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Did the Mother ever see any proof of the deaths or was it just 'assumed'? IF NOT, it could have been a LIE..
Remember our Jane Doe and Jock Doe did show up just 141 miles from Fort Bragg at the Santee, SC , KOA.....dressing like American race fans.
IF they were smuggled out of their country, whether on military or public airlines, would they have had passports?...
 
Wow, I think the resemblance is uncanny!

Taken from John Doe's vital stats page -

"They had no money on them, but there were several clues that led investigators to believe that the couple might have been well-to-do or perhaps even from another country."

And -

"Officials with Interpol as well as U.S. Customs investigators and immigration authorities also had been alerted. Contacts were made with agencies in Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, and in the Mediterranean."

Something made LE think that they were perhaps of Latin descent.

The US is such a melting pot of people - What made LE think they could be from another country?
 
KivaSupporter said:
Today I read a number of articles written in Spanish.

They all say the couple was arrested but their bodies were never found. They are missing and presumed dead. As far as the baby is concerned, this information is coming from only one person, former Marine Adolfo Scilingo. Apparently, he had stated the baby was born in December and on another occasion he had said the baby was born in January.

Nobody knows for sure.
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Kiva that is what I said in my post before...It could Easily be a Lie
 
I think I read where you are going with this Mysterylover. Now, I am no conspiracy theorist, and I really don't want to open any can of worms on what is surely a very sensitive subject for those family members of the disappeared who are still alive. Specifically, Maria's Mother and brother whom it seems are directly involved with the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madres_de_la_Plaza_de_Mayo)

It is my understanding that the circumstances of Argentina's Dirty War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_war) are still sensitive. Even though both the U.S. and Argentina have declassified documents relating to the disappearances and other activities, I am not sure how far I want to take this train of thought.

That said, some interesting information that I scoured up last night from various websites;

-Cesar was a Dr. of Veterinary Medicine
-Maria's Father was a diplomat who tried to have her released
-Speech given by Maria's mother to Human Rights Council(http://www.ngocongo.org/files/ngo_speaker_hls__marta_vasquez_eng.pdf), she seems like an incredible woman who has devoted her life to protecting the rights of others, I would hate for her to have to go through the kind of pain she suffered again, if there is any validity to this connection, and even if there is none.
-Declassified docs (http://www.desclasificados.com.ar/index.php?ref=http://www.desclasificados.com.ar/i.php?i=1605 <This site allows you to search for names, I can only barely navigate it as I have no romance language experience. A little Latin can only get you so far.)

I can see this as being a very difficult avenue to follow that will be met with much resistance because the circumstances are almost beyond belief, and would raise many uncomfotable questions for all parties. I would hate for this to bring any further pain to those involved.
 
On the link where the mother talks about Maria she says she has got in contact with the boy she believes to be Marias Son that was adopted but he does not want to know her.

According to that other translated page it said that she gave birth and that Maria and Caesar and baby dissapeared!

And as I said it was only one persons testimony that she gave birth

I wish the *adopted son* would consent to Dna for Marias Mother - it would certainly clear up a few things

Also from reading about their deaths ie 2 in the back and then turned over and one straight under the chin - it certainly sounds *professional* shall we say
 
MaedchenX said:
I think I read where you are going with this Mysterylover. Now, I am no conspiracy theorist, and I really don't want to open any can of worms on what is surely a very sensitive subject for those family members of the disappeared who are still alive. Specifically, Maria's Mother and brother whom it seems are directly involved with the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madres_de_la_Plaza_de_Mayo)

It is my understanding that the circumstances of Argentina's Dirty War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_war) are still sensitive. Even though both the U.S. and Argentina have declassified documents relating to the disappearances and other activities, I am not sure how far I want to take this train of thought.

That said, some interesting information that I scoured up last night from various websites;

-Cesar was a Dr. of Veterinary Medicine
-Maria's Father was a diplomat who tried to have her released
-Speech given by Maria's mother to Human Rights Council(http://www.ngocongo.org/files/ngo_speaker_hls__marta_vasquez_eng.pdf), she seems like an incredible woman who has devoted her life to protecting the rights of others, I would hate for her to have to go through the kind of pain she suffered again, if there is any validity to this connection, and even if there is none.
-Declassified docs (http://www.desclasificados.com.ar/index.php?ref=http://www.desclasificados.com.ar/i.php?i=1605 <This site allows you to search for names, I can only barely navigate it as I have no romance language experience. A little Latin can only get you so far.)

I can see this as being a very difficult avenue to follow that will be met with much resistance because the circumstances are almost beyond belief, and would raise many uncomfotable questions for all parties. I would hate for this to bring any further pain to those involved.
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It sounds so horrible :(

The military has admitted that over 9,000 of those kidnapped are still unaccounted for, but the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo say that the number is closer to 30,000, 500 of those given to military related families and the remaining number dead. The numbers are hard to determine due to the secrecy surrounding the abductions. Three of the founders of the mothers of the Plaza de Mayo have also "disappeared". After the fall of the military regime, a civilian government commission put the number of disappeared at close to 11,000.
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The Dirty War in Argentina from the 70s was absolutely horrible. Actually, it was ShadeTreePI who posts on the Mystery Couple thread who e-mailed me months ago when she found out about the Dirty War and was thinking of it in regards to the Mystery Couple. I haven't read as much in-depth about it as I would like to, I hope to investigate it more a little later. But I think it certainly is worth looking into, especially with Jane Doe looking so much like Maria Vasquez.

And there are also varying dates of when Maria gave birth so I still think it's worth checking out.

The Dirty War is still a very painful issue from what I've read, and rightfully so. It only happened 30 years ago, still lots of people around who remember it and had family members killed or go missing. It should definitely be approached very delicately as far as investigating this to see if there could be any relation to the Does.
 
MB, you are right about Shadetree. She has done extensive research on the dirty war... hopefully she'll chime in.

FWIW the SC Jane Doe had never given birth. This is per the autopsy/coroner in Sumter.
 
rmf said:
MB, you are right about Shadetree. She has done extensive research on the dirty war... hopefully she'll chime in.

FWIW the SC Jane Doe had never given birth. This is per the autopsy/coroner in Sumter.
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That puts paid to the theory that either it is Maria and the man who said She gave birth was a elaborate lie to conceal the truth and off put people OR
its the wrong person

And On the Dirty war - it couldnt have been more aptly named could it
*Shakes head in disgust*
 
prd2bokie said:
I found this place that has pictures of people missing. I don't think anybody has posted it.

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7SUNA&sa=N
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My gosh, I can't believe there were THAT many people killed or missing. I was absolutely chilled looking at all those faces together in that memorial. I posted a link below to an article from the BBC in 2002 that says the "official investigation" concluded there were about 9,000 people killed. Human Rights organizations put the number at 30,000!

Thanks for posting that memorial with all the pictures, prd2bokie.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2206534.stm
 
prd2bokie said:
I found this place that has pictures of people missing. I don't think anybody has posted it.

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7SUNA&sa=N
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Thank you for posting that I saw it in a small frame on wikipedia and couldnt find it large

BUT I have found the translated page of it

http://translate.google.com.au/tran...refox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=ofC

When you click on the pic it tells you about the person

Its not the best translations but it gives you an idea. The red cross means they were found DEAD / MURDERED

Its just so so so sad :( and so freaking WRONG

God Just look at this story http://72.14.235.104/translate_c?hl...hs=ofC&usg=ALkJrhi0VPMnDwIkk7W0HLMnD9H7isALpQ
 
I was wondering what the red cross meant. I'm glad you found a translated page. At first I thought the page could have been about anything, but a couple of things made me think it was about the war.
 
I just did a side by side and Maria and Jane look like twins. I see some similarities between the men but not like the women.
 
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