George/Lexus & Casey's Contact Pattern

[BondJamesBond]

Originally Posted by seaneb

These docs seems to be more accurate than the last, for some reason even the numbers changed. I believe that this is what CA was talking about when she said the telephone records were wrong, didn't show all calls. I assume that Gentiva has/had some type of phone system where you may dail one number, and on the phone records will show just a generic number where all calls pass through.

Some #'s changed between the originally released AT&T pdf (...pause...that seems like forever ago) and the recent "TOLL" log release. That's the crux of the situation. I dunno if that was intentional or in error.

For example...The TOLL record showed texting w/ Andy F. 6/19 instead of Matt C. when it made perfect sense for Casey to be in contact w/ Matt C. making arrangments to see Crane Landing Apt. The orig. AT&T pdf's showed Matt C.

[Bobo]

Originally Posted by JWG

Looking at a single example: June 17 at 14:12:56

In the original ATT dump, a call to 407-671-0000, which reverse lookup shows as

Lexus

305 N Semoran Blvd
Winter Park, FL 32792-4404
(407) 671-0000


In the latest document dump, a call to Gentiva Health

In the latest document dump, the phone calls we are looking at are not official records - they are a police summary / analysis. I would say the records we see in there are less reliable than the original dump.

Yeah, there are quite a lot of errors like that in other types of docs -- not just the phone records, unfortunately. They need one of us to do copy-editing and verification work . . . LOL

[JWG]

Originally Posted by Janis396

Casey had that number labeled in her phone as "Gentiva".

The Lexus dealership number is not listed in Casey's phone book.

Again, be careful with the phone "records" in the latest dump. They are not records. They are investigation summaries manually assembled and therefore are prone to error.

I confirmed one error already, so it should not be surprising there is another.

[BondJamesBond]

Originally Posted by JWG

Looking at a single example: June 17 at 14:12:56

In the original ATT dump, a call to 407-671-0000, which reverse lookup shows as

Lexus

305 N Semoran Blvd
Winter Park, FL 32792-4404
(407) 671-0000


In the latest document dump, a call to Gentiva Health

In the latest document dump, the phone calls we are looking at are not official records - they are a police summary / analysis. I would say the records we see in there are less reliable than the original dump.

I tend to agree. We saw the raw AT&T records. And, I ( yes, I know ) made my own look-up table errors. Methinks they've done the same...or at least that makes this thread a whole lot more interesting right now...

[BondJamesBond]

...so, let's go w/ the assumption that the raw data dump was correct and establish who was @ Lexus.

If/when that is established it becomes more interesting to look @ the Anthony home contacts when Cindy was @ work to see what that contact pattern looked like.

...and, yes...I know the Casey-was-just-checking-to-see-if-the-coast-was-clear option is there...I'm not sayin' it isn't. It could all be legit on George's part....just turnin' over some rocks.

[JWG]

Originally Posted by BondJamesBond

...so, let's go w/ the assumption that the raw data dump was correct and establish who was @ Lexus.

If/when that is established it becomes more interesting to look @ the Anthony home contacts when Cindy was @ work to see what that contact pattern looked like.

...and, yes...I know the Casey-was-just-checking-to-see-if-the-coast-was-clear option is there...I'm not sayin' it isn't. It could all be legit on George's part....just turnin' over some rocks.

FWIW, the latest document dump noted that Casey did not call the Anthony home phone once June 15 to July 15, but the home phone called her cell many times. I confirmed with our data.

ETA: The above is in error - see this post. And, even my confirmation was in error. Sheesh...

[Devon]

Originally Posted by BeanE

btw if all those Lexus calls are actually Cindy calls, then that wasn't a flurry on the 16th, it was a blizzard

Yes indeed - by someone in a panic?

[BeanE]

Just finished Aug 4 George OCSO interview transcript. Here's the info of note I found in it:

George started at AI the week before July 15.

Prior to working at AI, George worked Sunday through Thursday, 3 to 11, Fridays and Saturdays off.

George says during this timeframe he called Casey a few different times, generally from his cell phone.

Usually Cindy called Casey, then told George what the conversation was.

Lexus not mentioned. No other workplace name found.

[BeanE]

Originally Posted by Devon

Yes indeed - by someone in a panic?

Or in a fury

[Friday]

Originally Posted by ExpectingUnicorns

According to Cindy (in the new docs page 2459) she was "off work the first week of June." She and George went to Cocoa Beach on the 7th (didn't take Caylee with them).
So far, this is all I've found. Oh, and I do remember that on Memorial Day (wasn't that the 2nd?) they had a barbecue at the A's house before George went to work.

She took 2 different weeks off (not consecutive) during May through July--I'm not at home so can't check my notes, but I remember thinking she must have quite a bit of accrued vacation days.

[Mermaid]

Originally Posted by seaneb

The supposed lexus calls are actualy to Gentiva health, look at the new docs starting on page 20.

Gentiva is where Cindy works, or should I say "worked"; she's been out on Family Leave since this happened.

[logic13]

Originally Posted by JWG

FWIW, the latest document dump noted that Casey did not call the Anthony home phone once June 15 to July 15, but the home phone called her cell many times. I confirmed with our data.

I'm really confused??? Where do you see that Casey NEVER called the Anthony home phone?

I see Casey called home on June 16th ... 6:32pm ??

Page 20

??

Am I missing something?

[DotsEyes]

CA took the week of her birthday June 5th as vacation, she returned to work on June 9th. She also took the week of July 4 as vacation.

[BeanE]

This site says George worked/works at Lexus:

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/whos-who/

[JWG]

Originally Posted by BeanE

Just finished Aug 4 George OCSO interview transcript. Here's the info of note I found in it:

George started at AI the week before July 15.

Prior to working at AI, George worked Sunday through Thursday, 3 to 11, Fridays and Saturdays off.

George says during this timeframe he called Casey a few different times, generally from his cell phone.

Usually Cindy called Casey, then told George what the conversation was.

Lexus not mentioned. No other workplace name found.

Yes, I recall listening to that as well.

Now note that there are 16 calls in that month to the Lexus dealer, four of which are on a Friday or Saturday. Of the remaining calls, only four are within the referenced hours that George worked.

Interestingly, the last two calls are at 11:42:38 PM on July 11 and 12:58:33 AM July 12.

I don't think it is George...

[Bobo]

Originally Posted by Friday

She took 2 different weeks off (not consecutive) during May through July--I'm not at home so can't check my notes, but I remember thinking she must have quite a bit of accrued vacation days.

Y'all may have missed my prior post (#50 on this thread):

Originally Posted by Bobo

I was just reading some of the newly released docs that I had glossed over and IIRC, Cindy also claimed to have been off work the week of July 4th -- that would be June 28 > July 6 that she was potentially at home at any time. CA was upset that KC was giving her the run-around and she wanted to see Caylee (see her July 3rd MySpace lament about misssing Caylee).

This is in addition to her being off the first week in June that would be May 31 > June 8 that CA was potentially home at any time.

HTH

[RR0004]

Originally Posted by Noniegrace

What about the idea she was just calling the dealership to see if he was at work or not, so she could sneak into the house?

Yup...that's what I'm thinking. She never expected to see him. She wouldn't have risked going home otherwise. Guess it didn't quite work out quite the way she had hoped.

[JWG]

Originally Posted by logic13

I'm really confused??? Where do you see that Casey NEVER called the Anthony home phone?

I see Casey called home on June 16th ... 6:32pm ??

Page 20

??

Am I missing something?

You and me both. But you are correct, not me.

If I look in the same document as I believe you were, the last set of pages, you will see the Anthony home phone records with an investigator's notation that there are no incoming calls from Casey. And looking at just that record the investigator is correct.

However, Casey's ATT wireless records show calls to the Anthony home.

Someone mentioned CA complaining early on that the phone records did not have all the calls on them. Perhaps the early household phone records are the ones Cindy was referring to, not Casey's cell?

[Devon]

Originally Posted by BeanE

Or in a fury

Yes, that's also possible.

[Laece]

i wish you would just come out and say what it is you're trying to get at. there's really no need to be as cryptic as this thread is. some of us just want to know what you're thinking, not play guessing games. and some might not 'recognize' what you think we might, so to be more informative might be helpful. just saying.

[Coley]

Originally Posted by Laece

i wish you would just come out and say what it is you're trying to get at. there's really no need to be as cryptic as this thread is. some of us just want to know what you're thinking, not play guessing games. and some might not 'recognize' what you think we might, so to be more informative might be helpful. just saying.

IMO, it's not cryptic. With all the great minds on WS and everyone who has analyzed million of million of hours of documents/videos, then getting people to have their input is the 1st process of these threads to uncover stuff. Sorry you feel this way. Can you help determine why KC was making these calls? If GA really worked here? Why she was calling?

MOO

[Coley]

Guess not.

[Laece]

Originally Posted by Coley

Sorry you feel this way. Can you help determine why KC was making these calls? If GA really worked here? Why she was calling?

MOO

thank you for your kind concern. but no, i really can't, which is why i think it would help to just spell it out sometimes because then maybe i would have more of an idea.

and do you know how long it took me to figure out that MOO was not posters actually 'moo-ing' at each other...lol.

most of the time, i'm very bright. other times, well...this thread and MOO are examples of other times. i also saw in one of your posts that you were asking bjb to come out with it; what helped you figure it out? maybe it will help me.

[BondJamesBond]

Originally Posted by Laece

i wish you would just come out and say what it is you're trying to get at. there's really no need to be as cryptic as this thread is. some of us just want to know what you're thinking, not play guessing games. and some might not 'recognize' what you think we might, so to be more informative might be helpful. just saying.

1) Did George work @ Lexus?
2) Nothing rose to the level of George calling Casey from his cell for 1.5 months except two phone calls
3) After the first of those two phone calls the "flurry" of calls begins, and presumably Caylee's death soon thereafter
4) Then calls from Casey to Lexus (George?) during critical time period in the next two weeks lasting 4, 5 & 6 minutes.

Gotta look @ the calls to home when only George is there to see if this is a huge shift. The cell calls from George clearly don't happen for trivial things.

[Laece]

Originally Posted by Coley

Guess not.

sorry, it took me more than 6 minutes to type a response, plus i walked away for a minute and had to log back in.