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Old 04-09-2009, 03:53 PM
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This just came through on my twitter.

TRACY - Johnny Williams is sure he know who killed Sandra Cantu.
Williams drove from Oakland Sunday afternoon to hand-deliver his lead to Tracy police during an afternoon press conference. Afterward, he told media that he believes he saw Sandra with a man on a boat the week prior.
Now, speaking exclusively to FOX40 News, Williams says he spotted the same man talking with media the day after Sandra Cantu's body was found. (more at link)
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Is this the odd guy everyone was talking about yesterday or the pastor?

FOX40 News won't show the man Williams accuses of murdering Sandra Cantu; however, Williams describes the man as being "heavyset with a thick moustache."

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OMG! It says:

FOX40 News won't show the man Williams accuses of murdering Sandra Cantu; however, Williams describes the man as being "heavyset with a thick moustache."

That certainly sounds like F. Williams to me.
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No, he is a member of the church. He told media that the suitcase was reported stolen.

Here is a pic. Thanks to the site where it was taken from, which is noted on the pic.
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ETA: Here is the video. Looks like the same guy.
http://cbs13.com/crime/tip.boat.sandra.2.977073.html
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Meanwhile, church member Fred Williams said he believes his church and Lawless are being wrongfully targeted.

"There's not one member there that would have anything to do with anything like that kind of situation," Williams said. "More people should come to church and hang out with him because they would find out what a fun-loving kind of guy that he is."

http://www.ksbw.com/news/19127557/detail.html
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Adding to this, here is a video of F.Williams. 4th one down at on the side.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...nce-Death.html
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Old 04-09-2009, 04:25 PM
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I know there was a criminal record on this guy...it was on thread #6 but the poster got upset and pulled her posts. It was like 9 pages found on net detective. Anyone remember that?
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I know there was a criminal record on this guy...it was on thread #6 but the poster got upset and pulled her posts. It was like 9 pages found on net detective. Anyone remember that?
Was she the one who asked how to delete her account? She was one hello sleuther acc to poster's comments if it is the same poster. An unusual nik as I remember. xox
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Old 04-09-2009, 04:33 PM
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momtective thank you so much for doing that photobucket of this guy! All the news links have taken the video down of him! Was he the dude at the presser?
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Was she the one who asked how to delete her account? She was one hello sleuther acc to poster's comments if it is the same poster. An unusual nik as I remember. xox
Yep, that would be her. Oh, we need her info! See this is what happens when we don't respect everyone!
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Bringing over from general thread.
Thanks for these links. I somehow missed all the articles re the Williams man who is associated with the church in Tracy. I live in the Bay Area and I did see Johnnie Williams being interviewed briefly by a local tv station. He said that on the day Sandra disappeared, he saw a man in a boat with a girl resembling Sandra and the man was acting erratically. He was criticizing Tracy police for not following up on his lead.

My questions:
How and why did Johnnie Williams get close enough to the irrigation pond to see this man in the boat, and not only that, how did he get close enough to actually be able to i.d. the man?

What on earth was he doing in that area anyway? Why would anyone but a farm worker be present there? (or maybe Johnnie Williams is a farm worker?)

I wonder when he reported what he saw?
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F L Williams
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http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...nce-Death.html
link broken been noticing that a lot in this case on various threads.
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momtective thank you so much for doing that photobucket of this guy! All the news links have taken the video down of him! Was he the dude at the presser?
The video of him is on here. 4th one down on the left.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...nce-Death.html
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http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...nce-Death.html

If anyone can track down his date of birth/ place of birth, please post to Sandra's thread on the Astrology Forum.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82366



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It has been said on another site that this is the guy who can be seen locking up the church after it was searched. I'm trying to find a video to confirm.
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Meanwhile, church member Fred Williams said he believes his church and Lawless are being wrongfully targeted.

"There's not one member there that would have anything to do with anything like that kind of situation," Williams said. "More people should come to church and hang out with him because they would find out what a fun-loving kind of guy that he is."

http://www.ksbw.com/news/19127557/detail.html
Is it just me or is this a bit of an odd thing to say in defence of someone? He can't be a killer because he's such a fun-loving guy. There doesn't seem to be a connection. If he'd said that he doesn't believe his pastor had anything to do with it because he's such a loving, or kind, good, decent, moral, Christian, law-abiding, admirable personality or something, but fun-loving? There are plenty of killers who have enjoyed other things besides killing.

It's possible it's just his way of saying that he doesn't believe the pastor is a criminal because he likes him and have had such a good time together.
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wait...shouldn't it be on the thread still?????
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Thanks for these links. I somehow missed all the articles re the Williams man who is associated with the church in Tracy. I live in the Bay Area and I did see Johnnie Williams being interviewed briefly by a local tv station. He said that on the day Sandra disappeared, he saw a man in a boat with a girl resembling Sandra and the man was acting erratically. He was criticizing Tracy police for not following up on his lead.

My questions:
How and why did Johnnie Williams get close enough to the irrigation pond to see this man in the boat, and not only that, how did he get close enough to actually be able to i.d. the man?

What on earth was he doing in that area anyway? Why would anyone but a farm worker be present there? (or maybe Johnnie Williams is a farm worker?)

I wonder when he reported what he saw?
he didn't say where he saw the boat. The new river actually is right behind those ponds and may actually be part of the filling source for them.
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Thanks for these links. I somehow missed all the articles re the Williams man who is associated with the church in Tracy. I live in the Bay Area and I did see Johnnie Williams being interviewed briefly by a local tv station. He said that on the day Sandra disappeared, he saw a man in a boat with a girl resembling Sandra and the man was acting erratically. He was criticizing Tracy police for not following up on his lead.

My questions:
How and why did Johnnie Williams get close enough to the irrigation pond to see this man in the boat, and not only that, how did he get close enough to actually be able to i.d. the man?

What on earth was he doing in that area anyway? Why would anyone but a farm worker be present there? (or maybe Johnnie Williams is a farm worker?)

I wonder when he reported what he saw?
Sorry I didn't see the separate link that was for Johnnie Williams...actually I think it may have been posted while I was typing the above post.
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Now...now...I wasn't being disrespectful to anyone, imo.
Not pointing the finger in any one direction...just wishing that info was still available...I looked through the thread and at all of her posts that are still there...the info on Williams is gone...I'm going to look for his BD for Soul
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he didn't say where he saw the boat. The new river actually is right behind those ponds and may actually be part of the filling source for them.
Is the Old River a fishing spot or something like that? I had never even heard of it until this case. When I heard Johnnie Williams on tv I assumed he saw the boat on the irrigation pond which would be rather odd, I guess.

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thanks for getting that bday momtective! Here is an article up on fox with a video http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_s...27&feedID=2674
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I know there was a criminal record on this guy...it was on thread #6 but the poster got upset and pulled her posts. It was like 9 pages found on net detective. Anyone remember that?
Was it F Williams she found the criminal record for? I remember her finding a record for a Porfirio C in Mission Texas and a facebook account for a Porfirio M C. I may have missed the criminal record on F Williams if it was posted though. Darn it!
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Is the New River a fishing spot or something like that? I had never even heard of it until this case. When I heard Johnnie Williams on tv I assumed he saw the boat on the irrigation pond which would be rather odd, I guess.
It is a river that runs right near those ponds... I think this map of it is not near the ponds but it is near them... JW is from Oakland so it will be interesting to hear if he were perhaps out fishing in the old river that day or something???? The oldriver is part of a park system in the area as well with trails, etc and also a place that LE had done water searches.

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AMEN!!! She pmd me saying one of the members had her in tears! I wish she would come back!
I miss her posts as well. Should pm her to come back.
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Just my stupid opinion, but it's ridiculous to take down important info just because of getting offended. I hope the people in charge fix it where we can't take off posts without requesting, and leave it up to the administrators. Once we post, it should belong to Tricia. Anyway, if this Frank guy knew Sandra was missing and thought he saw her in a boat, why the heck didn't he call LE right then and there to come out and follow the boat. He should have recognized Sandra!
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My apologies- is fred and johnny williams related? I'm confused ...trying to catch-up. TIA
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