TN TN - Knox County - "Shotgun Jane Doe" WhtFem 607UFTN, 21-30, Jun'87

[pearly]

Hi everyone,

Was doing some research on the Dolphins jersey and have further emailed LE again to see if they can provide us with the name on the back however I think from research that it is going to be Tom Vigorito a number 32 player who was in the SuperBowl in 1983. He played with the Dolphins from 1981-5.

As Julessleuther said, Miami made it to the Super Bowl in 2 years 1983 and 1985 however no #32 players in the list mentioned, were in the 85 list which is why I am presuming it is Vigorito's name which will be on the back of our Doe's jersey.

I have further found out that the green jersey's are specific to authentic away jerseys for the miami dolphins and currently retail at approx $281.99 and these are the mens style.

The prop shop is located in florida but there is also an online store but this was prob not the case in Jane Doe's day IMO.

Once I have confirmation from LE re: the name I would like to get in contact with the pro shop and see how many they sold of this jersey around the time.

I have also attached a phone of a front back of a current jersey
Pearly

[Sporky]

You rock Pearly!

[jessunlil]

Originally Posted by pearly

Managed to find some news articles on Jeniffer Lynn Pandos -

have had to copy the full article below as believe the attachments do not work.

Unfortunately they do not tell us anything new really apart from the fact that this girl is likely to have run away from home IMO due to a breakup with her boyfriend.

Has anyone had a chance to compare her to our UID

Pearly

Thanks for the articles!

I have looked at Jennifer Pandos and while she fits in some ways, she doesn't have the same injuries listed as Jane Doe.

I'm really stuck on those injuries!

[jessunlil]

Has Kimberly Ann Moreau been looked at?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/374dfme.html

"Moreau has a surgical scar on her back, she has healed fractures."

[MadeaBecBec]

Originally Posted by jessunlil

Has Kimberly Ann Moreau been looked at?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/374dfme.html

"Moreau has a surgical scar on her back, she has healed fractures."

Kimberly Moreau has her own website here: http://www.freewebs.com/find-kim/frameset.html

Kimberly does look alot like this Jane, I just have to wonder where she was from May 1986 to June 1987, never once contacting family. Could she have been held hostage? If so, was the truck stop the place she was fleeing from, only to meet up with more thugs? That would be more tragic than Kim's disappearance!
Oh! It's 1,082 miles from Jay, Maine to Knox County, Tennessee. not a stretch for a trucker!!!

Here's a side by side for y'all to view!
TN Jane is in the middle

[pearly]

Originally Posted by pearly

Hi everyone,

Was doing some research on the Dolphins jersey and have further emailed LE again to see if they can provide us with the name on the back however I think from research that it is going to be Tom Vigorito a number 32 player who was in the SuperBowl in 1983. He played with the Dolphins from 1981-5.

As Julessleuther said, Miami made it to the Super Bowl in 2 years 1983 and 1985 however no #32 players in the list mentioned, were in the 85 list which is why I am presuming it is Vigorito's name which will be on the back of our Doe's jersey.

I have further found out that the green jersey's are specific to authentic away jerseys for the miami dolphins and currently retail at approx $281.99 and these are the mens style.

The prop shop is located in florida but there is also an online store but this was prob not the case in Jane Doe's day IMO.

Once I have confirmation from LE re: the name I would like to get in contact with the pro shop and see how many they sold of this jersey around the time.

I have also attached a phone of a front back of a current jersey
Pearly

As excited as I got about this, I heard back from detectives this morning (they are amazingly quick with responding to my questions), the jersey was given to our Jane Doe by IMO this is just a presumption one of the 2 men as JD only had a small strapless shirt on when they picked her up.

Back to the drawing board
Pearly

[pearly]

Originally Posted by jessunlil

Thanks for the articles!

I have looked at Jennifer Pandos and while she fits in some ways, she doesn't have the same injuries listed as Jane Doe.

I'm really stuck on those injuries!

The injuries are perplexing I agree however the detectives have mentioned the possibility that she may have been in a severe car accident or some kind of fall.

IMO this could have happened after a missing persons ran away i.e. in between their dissapearance and JD's death....not sure what everybody else thinks but this is just a possibility.

[pearly]

Originally Posted by jessunlil

Has Kimberly Ann Moreau been looked at?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/374dfme.html

"Moreau has a surgical scar on her back, she has healed fractures."

Sorry for my continual posts I am just replying to everyone it's great to see people on here yay

I like the look of Kimberly she hasnt been compared before now, IMO the only thing I am worried about is our JD has a slightly elongated chin in comparison and her eyebrows may be slightly more arched however this is a facial reconstruction and not a picture v picture comparison so there may be discrepancies I am guessing.

She has dentals which is fantastic as does our JD.
Lets see if we can find out any more information on her.

Madea - maybe during this year she also acquired the tattoo our DOE has???? thoughts?

[pearly]

I am currently jumping up and down with excitement atm because this is the first time I have stumbled across this type of thing. I am going to see if there is a way we can somehow decrease the number of places we are looking for where the JD may have had a serious crash and then I can maybe start applying for the crash reports so I will need some help and opinions on this one....again anythoughts: -


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[pearly]

currently searching through newspaper archives for any notable accidents that may have resulted in injuries such as our precious Jane Doe's, when I came across this add for class rings (in the attachment down the bottom).

This made me wonder if Kimberly b'f's ring the one she was wearing was a standard class ring and/or whether it has been seen since her dissapearance maybe if we believe this is a possible match we should try contacting companies like this to see if maybe it was pawned or so forth.

Pearly
any thoughts?

[MadeaBecBec]

Originally Posted by pearly

The injuries are perplexing I agree however the detectives have mentioned the possibility that she may have been in a severe car accident or some kind of fall.

IMO this could have happened after a missing persons ran away i.e. in between their dissapearance and JD's death....not sure what everybody else thinks but this is just a possibility.

I agree, if this Jane was abducted, held and beaten to the point of submission, she could've received those injuries from being beaten as well... That's something the family or the persons that reported her missing are not going to know about! Just like the tattoo (that I so wish there was a picture of) could've been a boyfriend's name, a nickname or a favorite sport team, just so many different things!

[pearly]

hello everyone,
I am getting of this computer soon I promise lol but I have subsrcibed to the newspaper archives and am going through the newspapers page by page edition by edition year by year, state by state, paper by paper if you get my gist HUGE MISSION but I am hoping it will provide us with that vital clue!

So far have come across some accidents with females in Tennessee but I am wondering if I can have some people's help via email to see if they are dead ends are not if so reply on here or PM me

pearly

p.s I think i may get of the computer now

[jessunlil]

Originally Posted by MadeaBecBec

Kimberly Moreau has her own website here: http://www.freewebs.com/find-kim/frameset.html

Kimberly does look alot like this Jane, I just have to wonder where she was from May 1986 to June 1987, never once contacting family. Could she have been held hostage? If so, was the truck stop the place she was fleeing from, only to meet up with more thugs? That would be more tragic than Kim's disappearance!
Oh! It's 1,082 miles from Jay, Maine to Knox County, Tennessee. not a stretch for a trucker!!!

Here's a side by side for y'all to view!
TN Jane is in the middle

I've asked myself the same questions!
I wonder if the thugs were the original abductors and she finally made a break for it in TN but, sadly, didn't get away.

It is a stretch given the time passed and the distance but thought it couldn't hurt to raise her as a possible.

[jessunlil]

Originally Posted by pearly

The injuries are perplexing I agree however the detectives have mentioned the possibility that she may have been in a severe car accident or some kind of fall.

IMO this could have happened after a missing persons ran away i.e. in between their dissapearance and JD's death....not sure what everybody else thinks but this is just a possibility.

That is definitely a possibility!

[Roselvr]

Posting Jane Doe's injuries again.

IMO, she appears to have had one surgery, the right ankle, and back then, they may not have thought to include that on the missing person's page or held it back due to something or another.

She has 4 other healed fractures plus the spine injury. We don't know if the other healed fractures happened at the same time or if they happened after she left.

I like Jennifer due to resemblance. Lips, teeth, nose, and eyes.

Pearly, thanks for all of the hard work you do. I wish I had more time to devote to this. Now that income taxes are done, I need to find time to get back to Benjaman Kyle, I have so much work I started with him.

[tatertot]

Hmm...I would definitely wait until you have very specific information to pay for an accident report because I'm not sure they'd be descriptive enough to be of much use. If they're anything like our newspaper articles they'd probably mention factors that led to the crash (speed, wet roads, etc.), which vehicles needed to be towed, and which hospital(s) the victims were transported to, but I've seldom seen articles that discuss the victim's injuries in detail. They're usually just described as in critical, serious, stable, etc. condition at the hospital or they were treated and released if it wasn't too serious. I doubt from the LE end there would be much investigation into the site of the victim's injuries since that's more the job of doctors and paramedics.

[pearly]

Got a bit stalled and frustrated with wondering how to find new information on this Jane Doe in an effort to find her name.

Reading the newspapers is a tedious task so tonight in an effort to not waste time which the UID did not get to experience.

So here is a list of a few possibles: -
Cynthia Coon – had straight teeth and no restorations prior to disappearance. Age at time of Doe’s death would be 30yrs old.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/858dfmi.html

Wanda Reine – the circumstances make me think it is not a likely match but her face seems very similar.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/reine_wanda.html

Jamie Rochelle Grisim – although suspected it is not IMO from reading believed to a victim of any of the killers mentioned. Has a missing tooth similar to our UID but would be interested to find out exactly which one before going any further!
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/grisim_jamie.html

Sherry Jean Pickle – fractured one of her ankles and has perfect teeth.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...le_sherry.html

Kathy Sue Wilcox – healed fractures in her legs (but I just don’t think her nose is the same)
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wilcox_kathy.html

would like to hear your thoughts.
Good Night
Pearly

[pearly]

Has anyone had a look at these possible matches?

Also I was wondering if members would still like me to submit Kimberly Ann Moreau for comparison?? If I have enough replies I will

P

[pearly]

I had chills because I think Barbara looks so much like JD...thoughts please????

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...o_barbara.html

[MadeaBecBec]

Originally Posted by pearly

I had chills because I think Barbara looks so much like JD...thoughts please????

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...o_barbara.html

I agree on the similarities, just not the circumstances!! 9 years missing before Janes death!! Seems Ms. Monacos family believes that James L. Moore, Jr. had something to do with her death the very night of her disappearance.... Surely, they couldn't have held her captive that long, but ya never know, if the perp actually had a yacht, I guess he could've kept her out on the ocean for years.. The two really do look alot alike!
I'll wait for more opinions!!

[pearly]

I agree in relation to the circumstances, I wonder what she could be doing for all that time. It does make me suspicious however her facial similarities still make me wonder.
P

[pearly]

Does anyone else have an opinion regarding this JD and the side be side, I would like to submit her and Kimberley Ann Moreau mentioned further down but am waiting on further opinion from members

P

[sillygilly]

Pearly, I think they look pretty close, but, 9 years is a long time to be abducted or on the lamb. With drugs and all the crazy stuff in the world.....the slope of the nose looks perfect, to me. The JD I've been working on is a stretch of time, too. I'm thinking of turning my comparisons, as well.
I think since we are seldom told of the personalities, i.e. drug use, abuse at home, of missing persons, anything is possible.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82609

[MadeaBecBec]

Yeehaw!!! I finally spoke with Det. Moyers, with Knox County Sheriffs Office, very friendly and accomodating fella! He says the men that Jane was with, one was an older (around 60) man(the vehicle belonged to him) and he had been driven by the younger man (in his late 20's) back to TN. from KY. and the vehicle was not at this home at the time of Janes shooting. The older man had a business not far from the home where Jane was shot. The building they(Jane and men) originally were at, was a place they (the men) would sometimes party at. The men picked Jane up at a Rest Area (just off exit 4)about 4-5 hours the evening before, to give her a ride, however she agreed to "party" with them, so the men took her with them to this building. At the time that they picked her up, the men said she appeared to be high(the Detective will get back to me on toxicology report) and later she started acting even more strange and took off, the younger man, caught up with her and talked her into coming back to the building, it was late, the younger man tells her that she could get arrested or SHOT roaming around this particular neighborhood, as it was off the beaten path and the folks around there all had guns and were VERY protective of their property. Jane remained at the building awhile and then just went berserk, the younger man says, for no "reason" and takes off again on foot, the younger goes after her again, Jane ends up at this house, the younger is arguing with her about coming back to the building, Janes wraps her arms around a post on the porch and tells him, she is not leaving the home, so he turns to head back to the building, Jane is screaming at him, Homeowner gets awakened, Homeowner calls 911 and arms themselves, at the same time yelling through the door that she (homeowner) is armed and calling the Sheriff, younger man yells back, CALL them, I can't do anything with her and continues to walk away, all this can be heard on the 911 tape, Homeowner then says Jane is trying to come through the door, kicking on the door, Homeowner tells Jane, Stop or I'll shoot, Jane doesn't stop and gets shot. The investigators came to the conclusion that Jane was having a "mental" episode before being picked up and during her time with these men.

Jane's clothes were dingy and believed to have been worn for days, the men had given her the Dolphins shirt and the pants she was wearing were well-worn and thin. This younger man had a lengthy criminal record, but nothing violent, mostly petty theft and misdemeanors. The younger man was originally charged with attempted burglary to get him to come back in and give an interview with Detectives, charges were dropped after he cooperated with the investigation. So, no trial for either men. The men do not recall if Jane ever told them her name......

Jane's body details; the Tattoo was homemade, black inked "BJ" (that kind of struck me-Barbara Jean???)and she had given birth at least once, one being a caesarean section, possibly emergency type caesarean, as pelvic bones showed the markings of attempted "normal" birthing. The anthropologist that examined Jane's bones, stated the injuries appeared to be from jumping off of a buildingor high structure, Vertebrae crushed, lower tibias (ankles) being damaged, clavicle (collarbone) fracture and fibula (calf bone) fracture, so Jane may have attempted suicide or had been an athlete (possibly gymnastics) of some sort... The metal plate inserted in fibula did NOT have a serial number on it!
Jane had good teeth and good dental hygiene, no cavities and fairly straight, she did grind her teeth some. Her dentals are available now and DNA is being processed. They have her fingerprints and ran them through AFIS, nothing. However, if Jane had a juvenile record and the Investigators had an idea of where she was from, they could try to match fingerprints that way as juveniles fingerprints are NOT entered into the system, unless tried and convicted as an adult criminal....
Detective Moyers welcomes all viable matches, as they have had few leads on this Jane. I asked Det. Moyers if there had been any festivals or concerts in the area, the week or two before Janes death, NO was the answer to that. Investigators believe Jane was hitch-hiking via truckers/travelers before arriving at the rest area and is not from TN.

Pearly; Barbara Jean looks so close to Jane, I say, SUBMIT her! Strange things happen all the time! If this Jane was on pain meds because of her injuries, that very well could be a reason she was "mental" and it's possible Barbara Jean was injured during an escape, hospitalized, became confused/amnesiatic and wondered around, I have imagined some crazy theories...... Moore Jr, could've told the "story" of Barabara Jeans murder, staged the roped cinder block in the lake, hoping that he would receive the reward money!

Pearly; Billie Jean Hall, Patricia Louise Kelly and June Carpenter Gilkerson have been ruled out, correct?

[pearly]

Correct MBB those are the rule outs so far, will be submitting today for Barbara Jean will keep all of you informed!
P

p.s for clarification - Billie Jean Hall, Patricia Louise Kelly and June Carpenter Gilkerson have been ruled out