Jacob Wetterling

[shergal]

Originally Posted by darcedarce

Police: Probe finds no link with Wetterling case
Associated Press
Published Tuesday, January 06, 2009

MILWAUKEE — Milwaukee police have investigated a suburban barber’s reported deathbed statement that he was a child killer but found no connection with any missing child case, including that of a Minnesota boy abducted two decades ago, a police spokeswoman said Tuesday night.

Search warrant documents obtained by WTMJ-TV showed the 62-year-old man told his psychiatrist of the killing and the psychiatrist notified police, but the man died from natural causes Dec. 15 before investigators could question him.

According to the station, searches of the man’s residence since the death found newly poured cement in the basement, elevated dirt piles in the yard, bondage devices in the basement, child pornography on his bed and flyers and news articles about missing small children from nearby states.

Some materials involved the case of Jacob Wetterling, an 11-year-old boy who was abducted from St. Joseph, Minn., on Oct. 22, 1989, and has never been found.

No human remains were found in the basement or yard, the station said, and relatives said the man, a native of nearby Racine, had a great concern for child abduction victims, having been abducted as a child himself.

Police spokeswoman Anne E. Schwartz acknowledged that there were unusual things found in the search, but she told The Associated Press that the investigation didn’t come up with anything to show a connection with missing children.

“To suggest that this guy had anything to do with these missing children cases is absolutely inaccurate,” she said.

Jacob’s mother, Patty Wetterling, told KARE-TV in the Twin Cities that she had met the man a long time ago when he came to Minnesota “with psychic information,” indicating he wanted to help find the boy.



http://www.grandforksherald.com/arti...ction=homepage

I sure hope they looked into this guy for other cases besides Jacob, "newly poured cement in the basement, elevated dirt piles in the yard, bondage devices in the basement, child pornography on his bed and flyers and news articles about missing small children from nearby states." sure sounds bizarre to me. I doubt many psychics or "sleuthers" have child porn on their beds. (JMO)

[littlehorn]

What a whackjob! All of that stuff, but they found no remains, and claiming he did something that there's no proof of??

Sounds like some bizarre attention-getting plot to me...The lack of details especially from his end. I'd be more specific if I was giving a deathbed confession. Both God and the devil are in the details.

[gaia227]

I've been posting on the other thread under Crimes in the News and this whole things is driving me nuts. They didn't find anything linking this guy to Wetterling.......really?

Lets see they found:
laminated, blown up pictures of Jacob
lots of newspaper clippings
A video of Jacob
Maps of St. Joseph where Jacob disappeared from

In addition to that they found blood, blood stains, clothing with blood on it, bondage devices, possible litagures, photos of young nude boys, tufts of hair, childrens shoes.

How can they find all of these things and say they have not found anything that leads them to believe this man has committed any crimes and this case is no longer under investigation and they have exhausted all possibilities. What? You found a house full of stuff, some of which can be tested forensical tested, not to mention when you find all of the things they have said they found it would take months to properly process it all.
The whole thing is just hinky-dinky. It makes no sense for LE to be making statements like this. You have a guy who just confessed to murderng two children and then you find a houseful of child porn, missing children info, blood, bondage devices, shoes, new concrete, freshly dug soil in the yard - one would think LE would be all over something like this. I would think that they would be excited by the prospect of possible finding answers for families and the public about the fate of these missing children.

I do admit his crediblitiy is lacking and I do not believe everything he has said but the evidence in his house speaks for itself.

[youshouldveknown]

I'd also like to know this man died. Natural causes is an umbrella of sorts.

My guess would be some sort of heart failure but I'd like to know for sure. I think it's strange that he admits this and is dead before the police can interview him. Even if he had a terminal illness, what are the odds?

Of course, if he was really ready to admit guilt, perhaps the dying is just a coincedence.

[christine2448]

Originally Posted by youshouldveknown

I'd also like to know this man died. Natural causes is an umbrella of sorts.

My guess would be some sort of heart failure but I'd like to know for sure. I think it's strange that he admits this and is dead before the police can interview him. Even if he had a terminal illness, what are the odds?

Of course, if he was really ready to admit guilt, perhaps the dying is just a coincedence.

The official cause of death was hypertensive cardiovascular disease, according to the report.

[youshouldveknown]

Thank you.

That's not something you can predict. I'd say he was ready to come clean. Not that it makes much difference now.

[blubuni99]

I hadn't ever heard of Jacob Wetterling until I found Websleuths and then I saw an episode of 20/20 on We. One thing that really stuck out to me was that he asked them how old they were. I'm from Arkansas and on June 9, 1995 Morgan Nick went missing from a baseball field - she was with two of her friends, it was 10:45 at night and he walked up to them and asked the girls a question. The question has never been released to the police. I was just wondering if the two were connected. There is 6 year time difference from JW and MN but that isn't a very big difference.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/n/nick_morgan.html

The only differences in that in JW case, the man wore a mask - at night, on a seemingly empty road and the guy who took MN didn't wear a mask in a parking lot full of people. AND the fact that they are different sexes. BUT if it was someone in a sex ring like I've read theorized, then the differentiating sexes wouldn't matter necessarily. Mostly I'm just thinking outloud.

[Rhett]

BluBuni99, I too am from Arkansas. Welcome to Websleuths, it's a great place. I had never heard that the man that kidnapped Morgan had asked the kids a question. Do you have inside info on that case? I wish we could find out what happened to her.

[MagicRose99]

Originally Posted by Rhett

BluBuni99, I too am from Arkansas. Welcome to Websleuths, it's a great place. I had never heard that the man that kidnapped Morgan had asked the kids a question. Do you have inside info on that case? I wish we could find out what happened to her.

The reference to the question is in the link to the Charley project website.

Here are threads for Morgan Nick on WS:
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12588
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59153
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73119

[PattyCake]

TRINO: I can't figure out what's wrong with Nocgirls post. It's a theory that's been debated for a very long time and there were questions about a child long ago that was found embalmed I believe and no one knows who this is.

Nocgirl didn't violate anything IMO, I didn't see your name there at all and personally if someone PM's me with a theory and I'd like to discuss it with everyone else because it might be worth pursuing or I'm curious, as long as I don't state who the PM was from, why is that a violation? If you didn't mention that it was you, then no one would have known. To me, it's an idea to pursue. There's archives of this topic on WS from 2004. I doubt this would be the 1st time the Wetterlings would have heard it.

That's my take on it anyway. I don't understand.
I could be wrong in my opinion but still, we're here to discuss potential ideas, theories, etc. I'm not sure she's done wrong by you or right by Jacob to bring it up.

[Trino]

Originally Posted by PattyCake

TRINO: I can't figure out what's wrong with Nocgirls post. It's a theory that's been debated for a very long time and there were questions about a child long ago that was found embalmed I believe and no one knows who this is.

Nocgirl didn't violate anything IMO, I didn't see your name there at all and personally if someone PM's me with a theory and I'd like to discuss it with everyone else because it might be worth pursuing or I'm curious, as long as I don't state who the PM was from, why is that a violation? If you didn't mention that it was you, then no one would have known. To me, it's an idea to pursue. There's archives of this topic on WS from 2004. I doubt this would be the 1st time the Wetterlings would have heard it.

That's my take on it anyway. I don't understand.
I could be wrong in my opinion but still, we're here to discuss potential ideas, theories, etc. I'm not sure she's done wrong by you or right by Jacob to bring it up.

This theory is not about the embalmed child that was found. IMO there is a fine line between a violation and poor taste. PM stands for private message, usually something you don't want publicly posted.

[PattyCake]

I understand your theory and it lead me to think of that particular story of the child that was found in the mississippi river. I believe we're all on WS to discuss theories, suggestions, ideas and the like. We have a difference of opinion to what a PM means here then.

I know I always mean well here and have good intentions.

[Trino]

Again, this is not the same theory. It has not been debated, and I don't believe it should be.

[PattyCake]

Again, I think every theory no matter how far off the scale needs to be evaluated when it comes to missing children.

My 2cents

[youshouldveknown]

It seems he posted that in Dec. 08.

If you look at his picture album, you can see the photos of the abductor and the photos of his father. I think they look close enough for an investigation.

Also, after watching his video here: http://www.nowpublic.com/world/word-...ent-maddness-0

I get the feeling he's suffering from paranoid delusions in one form or another. I wouldn't go so far to say he's schizophrenic, but I think it could be a possibility. People with schizophrenia tend to believe they're someone important - Louis XIV, Jesus, even the son of a serial child abductor. I say this not to discredit him, because like I said, I see a resemblance in the photos as well.

That importance leads to paranoia - they find out who he is, what he's trying to do and they're out to stop him. I would say the man in the video is paranoid. But, as the saying goes, sometimes they really are out to get you.

Also, 2 weeks without sleep would definitely affect your logic, memory, ability to function, etc. I don't know that there is a set number of days that a person can stay awake before death occurs, but I do know that after 72 hours (or three days) you're legally insane in a court of law. From what I understand the record is 18 days. And from what I've read, after 11 or 12 days, risk for coma or death is increased.

[dearmont]

Sorry - double posting but,

I thought it interesting that in the early stages of search for Jacob Wetterling, police looking for a red Chevette found that the car probably belonged to an art student that was in the area looking for "something to sketch"..Did Vern Seitz actually draw those images that were found or did someone else - maybe an art student????


http://www.courttv.com/news/hiddentr...ing_page2.html

[youshouldveknown]

According to his psychiatrist, he drew them as art therapy.

[wanttohelp]

I just see such a resemblance to the suspect sketch on Charleys project.

[dearmont]

Has anyone been able to find a photo of Vern Seitz?

[jandkmom]

There is a 20/20 coming on now on the WE channel about 3 missing children, including an interview with Jacob Wetterling's mom, Patty.

[wanttohelp]

Originally Posted by jandkmom

There is a 20/20 coming on now on the WE channel about 3 missing children, including an interview with Jacob Wetterling's mom, Patty.

Geez I am always watching these, I can't believe I missed it!

[amber1]

i agrre with wattohelp about those sketches-so similar!
I am from Minnesota and Jacob's case is very well known to me.
I have heard many rumors of him possibly being forced into human trafficking for sex.
I think there's a good chance he's still with us. I watched a tv series of a 13 year old girl who was abducted. She was brainshed in 3 months to the point where she didn't know her real name! It could be a possibilty with Jacob. I hope he gets found soon!

[Lotus]

I'm from Minnesota and still remember when this happened and I feel the person who did this isn't as mysterious/elusive as he seems. I stumbled across this old article from 1989 that gives a little more detail on the abductor.http://www.startribune.com/local/115...oDEy3LGDiO7aiU
Personally I believe this guy was trolling the area and at some point saw them biking from their home to the tom thumb store and got ahead of them as they were returning back and lay waiting on the side of the road. I still can't figure out why he asked their ages though, because they were all relatively the same age and if he had been stalking Jacob prior to this point why didn't he ask for their names instead? (assuming he knew Jacob's name).
It was dark so the abductor could have been confused as to which child was Jacob and needed to examine each one to make sure...who knows? )-:

[thefragile7393]

Interesting link, Lotus. It seems like I had heard this same info before and I wouldn't be surprised that this would be the same person in both cases. It eerily fits the profile of a sexual predator on so many accounts.

[Lotus]

I believe it's the same person too. I'm just surprised this person hasn't been found in the system by now but then again he could be in the system for a different reason such as domestic abuse because it seems like this guys personality ("very aggressive, very commanding") + women = disastrous relationships IMO.