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11-06-2009, 08:25 AM
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from aksleuth: 'snipped respectfully'
So now, 22 years after the disappearance of young Paul Baker, little Shannon has helped him get a bit of justice. Now I pray that she has been given freedom from those evil people and she finds a loving, safer path in her life.
I am thinking, maybe Paul needs his chart done.
We have his dob. Could find his place of birth.
We have the day he was reported missing.
Could get the time reported missing.
What does everyone think?
Those seeking further information on the case of Paul Baker may submit a Freedom of Information Act request to the Beaufort County Sheriff’s Office via internet ( www.bcso.net), as the incident reports up to and including the arrests of Susan and James Baker in June 2006 are available for review and dissemination. Please reference incident report # 870000004528.
Further information will be released as it becomes available.
http://www.bcgov.net/Sheriff/press_r...php?NewsID=749
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11-06-2009, 11:20 AM
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I have no idea what it takes to learn how to do all of that and understand it. wow.
Im surprised that there is no chart for Paul. there might be one somewhere?
I cant get into that info, where do I go after getting on the web site?
What is middle name for James? I see tax records for several James Bakers, but no susan.
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11-06-2009, 11:39 AM
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I have no idea what it takes to learn how to do all of that and understand it. wow.
Im surprised that there is no chart for Paul. there might be one somewhere?
I cant get into that info, where do I go after getting on the web site?
What is middle name for James? I see tax records for several James Bakers, but no susan.
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James Arthur Baker would be the full name.
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11-06-2009, 01:34 PM
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http://www.newsherald.com/video/?vid...upId=&play=now
very good interview with Beaufort LE on the cold case and the current case with SB.. very enlightening. He describes SB as a wicked woman.. I am still listening to it. (23 minutes long)
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11-06-2009, 07:48 PM
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How wonderful little Shannon was found alive!
Astrologically, this is a fascinating case. I don't think the charts were "wrong" or even that it was a case of misinterpretation, but certainly a glimpse into the minds of the people surrounding this child. We were allowed to see their plans, to see what makes them tick. And their ticking is ominous.
So now, 22 years after the disappearance of young Paul Baker, little Shannon has helped him get a bit of justice. Now I pray that she has been given freedom from those evil people and she finds a loving, safer path in her life.
Hooray for the Washington County Sheriff and his deputies for being so thorough in their determined search. Bless you!
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Aksleuth - I totally agree with you. We see the event chart, redrawn for the 1:30 a.m. time and we still see all the brutality and deceit and the warnings of the 8th house. We know this child was in grave danger and it was brutal to put the baby in that box
Research wise - I would like to know where the shift was, so to speak. Was it in the Sheriff's stonger planets and aspects to little Shannon's chart? Was it something in the babysitter's chart that said it was time for her to get busted again? I know there must be a connection somewhere.. I would love to find it so that it could be utilized in other cases we follow. I think though the research would be overwhelming unless you had many hours to devote to it and a solid background in Astrology to begin with......... The shift could be in the chart of East Coast or even Cleo. Who knows - but I'm sure it is there somewhere......
Anyway - absolutely fascinating in my opinion.
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11-06-2009, 11:28 PM
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Interesting that the sheriff said,
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"Statistically speaking this should not have ever happened, that we found this child alive, especially after so many days. Time was against us,” Haddock said.
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11-06-2009, 11:28 PM
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Didn't someone say a few Websleuths here persistently telephoned and tried to contact the Washington County Sheriff Office? I'm thinking there are many links to why this baby was found alive and I have a feeling the persistent sleuths were a major factor, as well as a listening sheriff.
So, Beaufort County (sounds oh so Southern, doesn't it?) will be free to press charges in Paul's case because they didn't try Susan Baker previously because they didn't have enough evidence and a Grand Jury returned "No Bill" in Paul's case. So this is actually good news. No Double Jeopardy involved. (Hey, Jose! This is what is meant by Double Jeopardy - a person being tried for the same crime twice.)
Susan was charged and served a short amount of time for abuse or neglect or something of Paul's older six-year-old sister, a totally different case than Paul's.
Information on Paul's disappearance should be very easy to get from Beaufort County, as well as from old newspaper accounts. It's a 22-year-old case, so records should be easily available. No internet coverage like we have today, but there are newspaper archives which should be easy to find in libraries of the area and through the newspapers themselves.
Yes, yes, charts for this little boy would tell wonders, I'm sure. In case anyone is interested, he has a memorial at Find A Grave. I found it while researching his case and before doing his charts. His memorial was posted in 2006.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...&GRid=13280294
I can't find the time when his case was called in to LE. Interestingly, his father, James, said he called Susan about Paul's safety because he received a call from the air station where he was stationed stating a woman claiming to have Paul had called them! Totally bizarre. Paul's mother was out of state at the time and she was ruled out as a suspect.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/baker_paul.html
Rough charts done for Paul using sunrise for both the natal and "last day seen" charts since I don't have exact times:
Natal
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...aker_natal.jpg
Last Day Seen
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u..._last-seen.jpg
(I can never remember which charts I'm supposed to turn, but I don't think it would be these, right?) Charts done without fixed stars or asteroids (I forgot to look for them - oops!) but did include BML.
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asksleuth; would you mind interpreting Paul's charts? Or someone, lol. From what I have learned here from all of our wonderful Astrologers, it does not look good for him. I could be way off since I am just looking at one or two things that my mind retains from reading all of the charts you have all done and told us what is going on in them, and that is not enough to interpret a chart. (I'm just surprised my mind has grasped what little it has, hahaha!)
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Susan B.
A natal (non-forensic) astrologer would never read Susan B.'s chart the way I am going to read it below. Moreover, such astrologer would surely be aghast at the harshness of the judgments pronounced.
But before any visiting natal astrologer has an apoplexy fit with fingers on the cell phone dial ready to report me to the Astrology Police, please keep in mind a caution I have repeated consistently throughout the cases discussed on this Forum:
Forensic astrology by its very nature is extremely black & white, often negative and harsh. What we do here is examine natal charts of perps, suspects and victims under a forensic astrological microscope, based on known facts & circumstances surrounding the players and the case. While it is certainly true that aspects, even harsh ones, can manifest positively as well as negatively, time after time we see the negative manifestations prevail in these cases we follow.
In Susan B.'s case, we know, factually, the following:
1. She babysat James Baker's young children Nina and Paul prior to the dissolution of Paul's marriage.
2. Susan and James B. had an affair while he was married.
3. James B. divorced his wife and married Susan, who then became stepmother to young Nina and Paul.
4. On 3/5/87, Susan asserted she put 3 year old Paul down for a nap and then dozed off herself. When she awoke, Paul was gone.
5. Paul was never found.
6. Subsequent to Paul's disappearance, Susan was charged with child abuse towards Paul and Nina (then 6 years old), and assault & battery with intent to kill towards Nina. A Grand Jury did not return a true bill regarding Paul, but Susan was found guilty of abuse towards Nina and served 80 days of a 10 year sentence, and Nina was removed from the Baker home.
7. Susan B., being related to James Russell D., knew of Shannon's birth.
8. Susan B. reported severe abuse of Shannon by her parents to the authorities 2 weeks after Shannon was born. As a result, DCS personnel visited the Dedrick home on & off during the first 7 months of Shannon's life. They determined an 'intermediate' risk factor and allowed Shannon to stay with her parents.
9. Susan B. was Shannon's babysitter.
10. On October 31, 2009 Shannon's mother Tina M. secretly gave Shannon to Susan B. early in the morning, then later reported her missing.
11. Police discovered Shannon on Wednesday night, 11/4/09, at Susan B.'s home. The baby, miraculously, was alive. She had been hidden under Susan B.'s bed, in a 2 x 3' cedar box with closed lid. The box contained baking soda to hide the smell of feces and urine.
12. Police arrested Susan B. and Shannon's mother Tina M.
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Since March 1987 -- over 22 years -- Susan B., by her own documented and factual actions and inactions, has shown us, independent of astrology, how she has chosen to use her chart energy patterns. What the natal chart does is confirm what already has been clearly made known from the facts and circumstances surrounding the chart owner's life.
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Susan B.'s natal chart cast for sunrise shows severe afflictions, including a severely afflicted SUN and a moderately afflicted MOON. In astrology, the SUN is the essence of who the chart owner is. The MOON indicates how the chart owner responds emotionally.
In this chart, both SUN and MERCURY square MARS and JUPITER, which oppose each other (a T-square formation). MOON (the emotional response pattern) is brought into this T-square pattern through her inconjunction to JUPITER. In addition, MARS inconjuncts SATURN, and squares PLUTO.
SUN is also opposite PLUTO, quindecile (165 degrees) URANUS and square CERES (the nurturing principle). CERES of nurturing is square CHIRON suggesting harm/damage to/by/through/from a caretaker/mother/babysitter, etc.
SUN, MOON, MERCURY and MARS all make harsh contacts with JUPITER. This suggests the chart owner has exaggerated (JUPITER) anger management issues, which are greatly compounded by a 'mean streak' of a most vicious nature (MOON opposite SATURN, MARS inconjunct SATURN, MARS square PLUTO, etc.). Additionally, this person is apt to 'fly off the handle' with SUN quindecile URANUS and MOON of emotional response semisquare URANUS. It does not take much to set her off...
One of the authorities interviewed after the recovery of baby Shannon described Susan B. as 'a wicked woman.'
The chart confirms.
We know from factual, documented information that Susan B. severely abused then-3 year old Paul and then-6 year old Nina back in 1987. We suspect from both the facts and the astrology that she murdered little Paul, and we suspect from both the facts and the astrology that she would have harmed and perhaps murdered little Shannon had the authorities not recovered her when they did.
Parents & Grandparents beware: you do not want a person who owns a chart similar to Susan B.'s to babysit your children/ grandchildren....
Thanks,
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11-08-2009, 10:21 PM
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snipped: "A natal (non-forensic) astrologer would never read Susan B.'s chart the way I am going to read it below. Moreover, such astrologer would surely be aghast at the harshness of the judgments pronounced."
So true. They water-down the damning or harsh aspects, which leaves us non-astrologically gifted ones a bit confused. I'd much rather hear how the challenging aspects can manifest in the chart. One question. How could SB have overcome so many harsh aspects? A zebra can't change it's stripes.
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11-09-2009, 11:57 AM
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Did anyone do a chart on Tina? I'm just catching up.......if this chart is done, please tell me. TIA
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Did anyone do a chart on Tina? I'm just catching up.......if this chart is done, please tell me. TIA
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SOULSCAPE posted a SYNASTRY (compatibility) Grid of the interaspects between the chart of Baby Shannon and Chrystina's chart, with comments.
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Paul B. and his father
This is a synastry grid showing James B.'s natal plants (down) in relation to young Paul B.'s planets (across).
You can see by the harsh connections I highlighted that the relationship between James and little Paul was likely unpleasant at best, and dangerous/destructive at worst.
I am not going to post James B.'s full chart at this time, because he has not been arrested in connection with the Shannon Dedrick case.
I will say, however, that the synastry between the sunrise natal charts of James B. and baby Shannon is equally dismal. As a matter of fact, it's downright disturbing.
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Am I reading Susan and James charts correct..........both share abusive traits
toward children???
Common denominator?? Keeping this couple together?
Could there be more victims, I wonder???
from 1987 to 2009.......
missing children from where the couple lived before?
Thankyou for your charts.
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