MI-OR- Possible match?

Bewildered · #1 11-06-2009, 06:59 PM

I am a newbie here, so please forgive me if I did this wrong. I just felt there was a resemblance between these two despite the distance from the missing and found locations. There are a lot of similarities in these two cases. Also, the UID female had old injuries that may have been consistent with those from the missing lady from Oregon. It sounds as if Jennifer had quite a history of being the victim of domestic violence. Thanks in advance for your input.

UID White female (skeletal remains) found in Michigan in 1994:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/34ufmi.html

Missing from Oregon in 1991:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2501dfor.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._jennifer.html

Zaha · #2 11-06-2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewildered

I am a newbie here, so please forgive me if I did this wrong. I just felt there was a resemblance between these two despite the distance from the missing and found locations. There are a lot of similarities in these two cases. Also, the UID female had old injuries that may have been consistent with those from the missing lady from Oregon. It sounds as if Jennifer had quite a history of being the victim of domestic violence. Thanks in advance for your input.

UID White female (skeletal remains) found in Michigan in 1994:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/34ufmi.html

Missing from Oregon in 1991:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2501dfor.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._jennifer.html

Yes, I think they are similar.. anyone else?

MBLover · #3 11-07-2009, 12:12 AM

I also believe there is a resemblence. I think it's worth at least checking out with the authorities.

Danaya · #4 11-07-2009, 12:32 AM

Can you tell if she has a gap in her teeth? That UID could have so many possibilities. Any other matches nearer to where it was found?

djmep · #5 11-07-2009, 12:54 AM

Here is a link to another picture of Jennifer. I think you can see a gap between her teeth better. I think you should definitely report this one.
http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamasc...solutions.html

kirsty · #6 11-07-2009, 03:05 AM

To me, it does look like Jennifer has a gap between her teeth

I also agree, you should report it

OkGrace · #7 11-07-2009, 07:24 AM

Although it looks like she was a victim of domestic abuse and would have been found closer to home I think I do see the gap between her teeth.

dreamweaver · #8 11-07-2009, 10:49 AM

I think the resemblance is close enough to call it in.

Obviously, they have teeth to match and that is one of the best identifiers.

dreamweaver · #9 11-07-2009, 11:06 AM

Oddly enough, there is a Newport, MI.
No idea if there was a drug rehab there in 1991.
And, it is 234 miles from Newport, MI to Curtis Township, MI.
Probably not relevant to this thread.
2286 miles from Boring,OR to Curtis Township, MI.

dreamweaver · #10 11-07-2009, 11:17 AM

Oh, and one other thing I just found.

In Newberg, OR, I found a
Hazelden drug and alcohol treatment center,
founded in 1990.

From Boring, OR to Newberg, OR is 37 miles.

Perhaps her family misunderstood, Newport OR for
Newberg, OR.
The odd thing to me is wouldn't family members have
thought of this?
Or looked up all the drug rehabs in OR?
Or didn't the police do this?

Maybe she wasn't intending to go to rehab?
Maybe she just wanted to take off?

And maybe this info is not relevant at all.

AnnieOakley · #11 11-07-2009, 04:14 PM

I also encourage you to call this in!
The resemblance is very strong. And... although I can not find a description of Jennifer with her height- in one pic, she looks like she is standing next to someone and she comes just above their shoulder--- that would seem to match MI Jane Doe's height of 5'0-5'4".
MI Jane Doe also had numerous back injuries, and the article about Jennifer said she was thrown down the stairs and thrown out a window...
The worst scenario would be that MI LE could rule out Jennifer, and we're back to the drawing board?
Bewildered, you are terrific!

Truman · #12 11-07-2009, 04:43 PM

The connection between Jennifer's domestic violence reports and the UID's prior injuries is strong, despite the distance...nice work!

Please keep us posted.

Bewildered · #13 11-07-2009, 06:12 PM

Thanks to all of you for your input. I will report it and see what happens and will let you all know if and when I hear anything.

Mensch · #14 11-07-2009, 09:18 PM

I think it is a very good possibility!
I saw your post and just wanted to leave this comparison here for you to check out. I submited this about three weeks ago and have nothing back yet other than the usual....'we will check and let you know'....
If I don't hear anything in abut a week or two,I will try back.

Kimster · #15 11-07-2009, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mensch

I think it is a very good possibility!
I saw your post and just wanted to leave this comparison here for you to check out. I submited this about three weeks ago and have nothing back yet other than the usual....'we will check and let you know'....
If I don't hear anything in abut a week or two,I will try back.

Wow! This one looks like a possible match, other than the height. You would think that she had been checked out already since she was from Michigan, though?

Kimster · #16 11-07-2009, 09:48 PM

It appears they think Jennifer was murdered and her husband was a POI. I wonder if he had any connections in Michigan?

Mensch · #17 11-07-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimster

Wow! This one looks like a possible match, other than the height. You would think that she had been checked out already since she was from Michigan, though?

IIRC the measurements can be within 2+/-
No word on if these have been compared. Just waiting.

mtrooper · #18 11-07-2009, 10:35 PM

Good luck if you are working with the MSP, I have found them to be useless. But if you do talk to them again please ask them to put her in NAMUS. GRRR I hate it when the ME wont do their job.

Zaha · #19 11-07-2009, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mensch

I think it is a very good possibility!
I saw your post and just wanted to leave this comparison here for you to check out. I submited this about three weeks ago and have nothing back yet other than the usual....'we will check and let you know'....
If I don't hear anything in abut a week or two,I will try back.

Wow! Laura Lee Alber is an awsome match!

dreamweaver · #20 11-08-2009, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mtrooper

Good luck if you are working with the MSP, I have found them to be useless. But if you do talk to them again please ask them to put her in NAMUS. GRRR I hate it when the ME wont do their job.

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You can put this information in NaMus yourself.

Or if you want me to, I will.

Mensch · #21 11-08-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mtrooper

Good luck if you are working with the MSP, I have found them to be useless. But if you do talk to them again please ask them to put her in NAMUS. GRRR I hate it when the ME wont do their job.

I am not sure if there is a Federal mandate for ME to do this. More often that not, I have found the problem with identifying the UID is LE and their sloppy reports and I-don't-care attitude. Most cops see paperwork as an assignment to Syberia.

Mensch · #22 11-08-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Zaha

Wow! Laura Lee Alber is an awsome match!

Hi Zaha,
Yes, pysically, this is about as close at it gets. However, if you are following any Mis/Uid and the work others are doing here, this is rare and physical markers are often incorrect in some area. So much to consider about a person than a split-second captured image. I did consider all of the circumstances and hope this will be the one the family needs for closure.

Just a side note. It is difficult to stay focused on searces once you know the procedures (or lack of) with various LE agencies. Notice the difference in numbers of UID state to state? Vermont (just to name one) is NOT required to enter their UID. I am currently looking for a person who I believe was last spotted in Vermont. I pray not because he will likely be forever lost.

On a more positive note. The WS's here are doing an outstanding job with what there is to work with. Kudos to all!

TripleA · #23 11-08-2009, 02:03 PM

I see both of these missing women as good possibilities for our UID.

Boyz_Mum · #24 11-08-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimster

It appears they think Jennifer was murdered and her husband was a POI. I wonder if he had any connections in Michigan?

I quickly looked through veromi.net (the free portion) and looked at some of the names and located some names, but no connections to the names with the state of MI. It was not a thorough search by any means, I was curious if anything would jump off the page at me.

Bewildered · #25 11-08-2009, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mensch

I think it is a very good possibility!
I saw your post and just wanted to leave this comparison here for you to check out. I submited this about three weeks ago and have nothing back yet other than the usual....'we will check and let you know'....
If I don't hear anything in abut a week or two,I will try back.

It is a good possibility. I hope you hear back soon. I do see a resemblance as well. Hopefully a family somewhere will have some type of closure. Thanks for sharing your comparison. I sent an email off to Detective Kraus at the Clackamas Sheriff's Dept regarding Jennifer and our Jane Doe from Michigan. I will keep everyone posted on what comes about from this. Please keep us posted on your results. Until then, I am keeping my fingers crossed that one of our's is a match.