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Old 03-25-2010, 08:20 PM
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Short haired blond girl

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/01581.jpg

I don't know if anyone has brought this one up yet, but could this be her:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/467ufca.html

https://identifyus.org/cases/2993

The description fits, except I think this girl looks more like 17-19, instead of 20. She was strangled and if I'm reading the dentals right on Namus sounds like there was major trauma to her face?
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:29 PM
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I agree with you (I think I proposed this match in the original thread). Strangling and beating in the face is Alcala's primary method, it seems. And the girl in the photo looks like she could be posed in a hotel room.
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Old 03-25-2010, 11:35 PM
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I agree with you (I think I proposed this match in the original thread). Strangling and beating in the face is Alcala's primary method, it seems. And the girl in the photo looks like she could be posed in a hotel room.
I thought I'd seen this connection before! Just couldn't find it anymore. I'm with you Carbuff she looks like a definite possibility. I guess the question still remains, who is she?
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Old 03-26-2010, 12:28 PM
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The title of this post should be changed to "girl or boy" as there was much discussion as to whether or not this picture is of a male or a female. JM2cents.
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Old 03-26-2010, 12:34 PM
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The title of this post should be changed to "girl or boy" as there was much discussion as to whether or not this picture is of a male or a female. JM2cents.
There was one news article that said there were "only two males" within these pictures. That would be the one with the bike and the long dark haired one whose chest IS shown. The girls who are in the nude pictures have all been cropped above their chest.
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Old 03-27-2010, 06:30 PM
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Unidentified White Female
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/467ufca.html

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Old 03-27-2010, 09:29 PM
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This may be the same woman. If you blow it up, her hair (styled differently) and facial features seem to match.

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Old 03-27-2010, 09:52 PM
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Yes, they do look similar.
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Old 03-27-2010, 10:53 PM
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I just don't see it. Yes, they're both blonds with very blue eyes but that's about it. Their teeth are completely different and the boy/girl in the blue backround pic has some VERY distinct freckles which aren't present on the other picture. I don't believe these two people are one and the same.
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Old 03-27-2010, 11:07 PM
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The title of this post should be changed to "girl or boy" as there was much discussion as to whether or not this picture is of a male or a female. JM2cents.
No adam's apple. Unlikely to be male. Not to mention that the way the photo is cropped, she's almost certainly naked.
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Old 03-28-2010, 04:07 PM
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If you look at the very bottom of the photo, there's a slight curve that might indicate the person has breasts.
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Old 04-21-2010, 05:20 PM
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With the release of the NYPD photos showing different angles to this person, I'm back to thinking it is an androgynous boy
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Old 04-21-2010, 07:29 PM
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Old 04-21-2010, 08:22 PM
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With the release of the NYPD photos showing different angles to this person, I'm back to thinking it is an androgynous boy
Me too!
But then I ask myself why they'd crop the photos at the level they did if there are no breasts.
I just don't know.
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Old 04-21-2010, 08:32 PM
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They cropped some of the photos of the boy in front of the native print curtain similarly.

Maybe they are not always sure if the person is a boy or a girl who hasn't got breasts to talk about yet. Maybe they try to crop all the nudity out, male or female, to be on the safe side.
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Old 04-21-2010, 08:36 PM
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More newly released photos (from WPIX).





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Me too!
But then I ask myself why they'd crop the photos at the level they did if there are no breasts.
I just don't know.
Me three. I remain on the fence about this person.
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Old 04-21-2010, 09:26 PM
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I agree they wouldn't have cropped the photos if there were not breasts. Also the poses strike me as ones a female rather than a male would make. If it's a male then in the first picture we have here it is a male with gynecomastia.
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Old 04-21-2010, 09:40 PM
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With the release of the NYPD photos showing different angles to this person, I'm back to thinking it is an androgynous boy
When were these additional pictures released??? Was anything said as to why they were added to the existing release? Where did these come from?

I now think that this is a woman. The face is more feminine than that shown in the earlier photograph and they're ALL cropped above the breasts. No reason to do this unless there was nudity that could be deemed inappropriate.

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Old 04-21-2010, 10:12 PM
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I think she is a female, but a masculine looking one.


The white wall near her looks like painted over wallpaper.

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Old 04-21-2010, 10:59 PM
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I think she is a female, but a masculine looking one.


The white wall near her looks like painted over wallpaper.
Do you mean the horizontal line that's puckered on the wall? What that is, is joint compound tape. The wall is just wallboard (or sheetrock aka) and then it's taped where the nails/screws are and then it's usually textured, primed and then painted. This wall looks like it is just painted over wallboard, no texture or priming, which causes the joint compound tape to bubble up. Cheap fix for a rental. Never would find that in a hotel/motel room.
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:39 PM
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I enlarged the picture of the one with the bookshelf, it looks like the one book says "player piano". Could it be this book: http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/Bo...6x%3D0%26y%3D0
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Old 04-22-2010, 02:04 PM
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sitting on the dresser it looks like two men's ties laying there. ?
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Old 04-22-2010, 02:41 PM
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Nation River Lady, maybe?

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sitting on the dresser it looks like two men's ties laying there. ?
Maybe she's the Nation River Lady. Nation River Lady was bound with mens ties and strangled with multiple ligatures.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/239ufon.html
But then again, I thought the chain link fence woman was the Nation River Lady, and it turns out chain link fence woman is alive.
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Old 04-22-2010, 02:52 PM
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Oh heavens, is that a folded towel with something printed on it in green in at least one of the photos? One of Nation River Lady's ligature's was a kitchen towel.

"Irish Toast" towel: This item was manufactured in Ireland, exported to Toronto, Ontario and distributed to stores in Ottawa, Toronto and Montreal. They were sold at $1.39 (Canadian) each and had been stocked in stores for some time. The towel had Irish Gaelic printing on it, spelling out a traditional Irish toast. "

It looks largish to be a kitchen towel. I wish I could see a picture of the sort of towel Nation River Lady was found with.
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