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Old 04-02-2010, 07:56 PM
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NC - Kathy Taft NC School Board Member Murdered #2

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Old 04-02-2010, 08:36 PM
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I hope the law-in-enforcement has checked K and D's cell phones and computers
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Old 04-02-2010, 09:08 PM
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I hope the law-in-enforcement has checked K and D's cell phones and computers
Rest assured lotl, that is the case.
I feel certain 1 or more SW's are targeted that way.
"D" must be eliminated as a suspect before this murder can be solved and an arrest made.
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Old 04-02-2010, 09:26 PM
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Yes, i believe checking cell phone records and computers has become a pretty routine investigative tool now. even if material is erased from the computer, much of it can still be retrieved by an expert. You know, i was thinking, can you imagine the state of anxiety that the perp must be in, wondering if arrest is imminent, wondering if anything was forgotten or left behind, wondering if they will be discovered? I don't think I could live in that state of fear. As time goes by, the perp probably feels a bit more relaxed...."they are not going to charge me..." or "they have no evidence..." But the truth has a way of finding a path. It may not be today, or tomorrow....but the truth comes out. I wonder if leniency would be granted if a person confessed. There must be few things sadder than a person who cannot admit what they have done, for the rest of his life. That is an inner prison that no key can ever unlock.
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Old 04-02-2010, 09:38 PM
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"Early on, they showed a grainy image from a Harris Teeter grocery store surveillance camera to employees at a Domino's Pizza store several doors from the grocery store and just down the hill from the Cartier Drive home.


Well, whoever was wondering whether the HT store had surveillance cameras ... maybe this man was seen talking with DH? or paying attention to her in the store?

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Old 04-02-2010, 10:04 PM
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He was carrying a messenger bag...doesn't that hold a laptop??
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Old 04-02-2010, 10:16 PM
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Are they certain it's a man on the grainy video?
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Does anyone know if the weapon used to ultimately kill KT was ever found?

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Old 04-02-2010, 10:55 PM
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I am signing off for now...y'all are a special group.....I am learning from you. May the good spirit of JUSTICE, stay forever in your hearts. Friday will bring news. Happy Easter to you and your families
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:16 AM
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The seal order will expire this Friday (4-9)
If the 911 and SW's are resealed, D will be in scalding hot water.

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Old 04-03-2010, 01:10 AM
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chinstrap.jpg Photo from Contour MD

This is an example of the type of bandage used for chin lift surgery. It is a compression bandage, such as ace wrap. There might have been cotton packing and/or gauze also placed under the bandage to contain any oozing from stitches.

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This is an example of the type of bandage used for chin lift surgery. It is a compression bandage, such as ace wrap. There might have been cotton packing and/or gauze also placed under the bandage to contain any oozing from stitches.
Do we know this is the type of surgery Kathy had? TIA.
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Old 04-03-2010, 10:05 AM
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Yes, from a good source the procedure was a "neck lift".
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Old 04-03-2010, 10:14 AM
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Do we know this is the type of surgery Kathy had? TIA.
I'm not sure. She could have had more than one procedure. Interesting bandage that is shown above.
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Does anyone know if the weapon used to ultimately kill KT was ever found?
If the weapon was found, LE is not saying so. Not that I have seen anyway.
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The seal order will expire this Friday (4-9)
If the 911 and SW's are resealed, D will be in scalding hot water.
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Why do you think this?

Could they not just be trying to protect the integrity of the investigation no matter who is guilty?

If they do not reseal the search warrant and 911 calls, does that mean you think DH is innocent?
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Old 04-03-2010, 02:07 PM
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Are they certain it's a man on the grainy video?
I brought over the article posted by Just the Fax. The manager thought it was a man and it sounds like the deteectives did, if they were asking people if they knew "him." Tall and thin would not describe DH, according to those posting here who knew her.

Are you thinking some other relative?

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"Family members said police were keeping them posted on some details of the investigation, but not all."

"Dina Holton, Taft's sister, was with her on the day and evening before Taft was rushed to WakeMed with critical injuries, according to family members, but they have not said where Holton was or what she was doing in the hours after the sisters ate dinner together March 5 and watched "Paper Moon"

"Early on, they showed a grainy image from a Harris Teeter grocery store surveillance camera to employees at a Domino's Pizza store several doors from the grocery store and just down the hill from the Cartier Drive home.

The man's face was not visible.

"John Stoner, daytime manager of the Domino's at Glenwood Village shopping center, said investigators came by several days after Taft's death March 9 and showed him a picture of a tall, thin man whose face was not visible and asked whether he had seen anyone fitting that description.

"He was carrying some kind of messenger bag," Stoner said. "The detective said he was wearing a backwards baseball cap, but he might have had a hoodie on."


Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/04/...#ixzz0jx1gaHui

This is what I was picturing ... messenger bag ...

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Noway- I reread what you had just posted. I have read that a few times now. The part that isn't making much sense to me is: 1) If this is someone the cops are truly interested in looking for/having the community look out for- why are they keeping it so hush hush, and why did they only ask the people at the Dominoes pizza? There are several other shops in that shopping center. I think some other shop owners/workers were quoted as saying that they were not asked about the photo, unless they are not telling the truth. That doesn't make sense to me. Why wouldn't they have folks in the neighborhoods surrounding on the lookout for someone matching that description if this person may have had anything, even if it was something minor or just suspicious, to do with this at all....? Any ideas?
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Old 04-03-2010, 02:32 PM
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Why do you think this?

Could they not just be trying to protect the integrity of the investigation no matter who is guilty?

If they do not reseal the search warrant and 911 calls, does that mean you think DH is innocent?
I think early on the cops truly had no idea if it was a random intruder (like the video of man in HT) or the sister. Until they can sort it out and go in a direction, it made sense to seal everything. If the judge agrees to another seal, I am thinking the investigation is focusing on the sister and they don't want the PC statements released so the cat is out of the bag just yet.
The 911 call involved only D, so resealing will be very telling.
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I think early on the cops truly had no idea if it was a random intruder (like the video of man in HT) or the sister. Until they can sort it out and go in a direction, it made sense to seal everything. If the judge agrees to another seal, I am thinking the investigation is focusing on the sister and they don't want the PC statements released so the cat is out of the bag just yet.
The 911 call involved only D, so resealing will be very telling.
Have you changed your thoughts that it was a random attack?
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Have you changed your thoughts that it was a random attack?

I have always thought D's story was odd and thought she could have done it.
Then the male DNA search made me rethink the situation.
Honestly, I could go either way, but still lean more toward the random attack....at least until any information is released.
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Here's a link that provides information about platysmaplasty. I gotta say, it really doesn't sound like minor surgery to me...I wonder if KT was planning to spend her entire recovery period at JG's house rather than her own. Who else was going to check on her after her sister left? Or was her sister going to stay the whole time?

http://plasticsurgery.about.com/od/f.../neck_lift.htm
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Noway- I reread what you had just posted. I have read that a few times now. The part that isn't making much sense to me is: 1) If this is someone the cops are truly interested in looking for/having the community look out for- why are they keeping it so hush hush, and why did they only ask the people at the Dominoes pizza? There are several other shops in that shopping center. I think some other shop owners/workers were quoted as saying that they were not asked about the photo, unless they are not telling the truth. That doesn't make sense to me. Why wouldn't they have folks in the neighborhoods surrounding on the lookout for someone matching that description if this person may have had anything, even if it was something minor or just suspicious, to do with this at all....? Any ideas?
Since the image is from HT grocery store ... it would make sense to show it to HT employees too. We don't know that they didn't ... maybe the manager of Domino's was the only one who would talk to the reporter.

I don't know why people think LE owes them an explanation as to whether they think it's a random attack versus family/friend.

My advice is: A murder was committed in your neighborhood ... take precautions and be extra-careful. You never know whether the murderer is willing to kill again to not get caught.
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Since the image is from HT grocery store ... it would make sense to show it to HT employees too. We don't know that they didn't ... maybe the manager of Domino's was the only one who would talk to the reporter.

I don't know why people think LE owes them an explanation as to whether they think it's a random attack versus family/friend.

My advice is: A murder was committed in your neighborhood ... take precautions and be extra-careful. You never know whether the murderer is willing to kill again to not get caught.

Personally, I think that is a huge deal, especially since I live in Raleigh and have friends around the corner. The possibility of a random person that slips in occupied homes to kill sleeping women is a bit unnerving, dontcha think?
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Attachment 8493 Photo from Contour MD

This is an example of the type of bandage used for chin lift surgery. It is a compression bandage, such as ace wrap. There might have been cotton packing and/or gauze also placed under the bandage to contain any oozing from stitches.

After looking at the post surgery bandage you posted, a couple of things occured to me. (Look back at it to imagine what I'm trying to describe. It's difficult to do without demonstrating.) We know that KT's head injury was covered, so it would have to be underneath that bandage. I believe someone on the board confirmed she was found in the bed. Next, configure what type of position she would have to be in if she was hit while in the bed. Because of the surgery, she could not lye down on her stomach or even on her side. She would have to had laid back while keeping her upper body and head elevated with her face facing forward. (See the surgery instructions that someone posted upthread as well. You must rest that way for a couple of weeks) When in that position, it would be difficult for an attacker to strike her on the bandaged area, unless they approached and leaned over her and struck her directly on the top of the head. That seems a little awkward to me and also very careful of a person who would have no reason to be careful about where he struck to kill. Right across the forhead would have been an easier strike.

It would seem more logical that she was hit from behind where most of the bandage covers. For that to happen she would have to have been in a upright position either standing or sitting with her back to her attacker. If her back was not to the attacker, her hands would have went up in a defense motion. We don't know if she had defensive wounds or not. Wouldn't sister or paramedics have noticed that?

I don't think it would be likely that an intruder would have snuck up behind her in the bedroom unless she was asleep and if she was asleep, her injury would most likely not be in a bandaged area as I described above.

Maybe I'm missing another scenerio that could have resulted in an injury in that bandaged area. Any thoughts?
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