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Old 06-01-2010, 04:37 PM
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2010.06.01 - Defense Motion for Tips

Just out of the hearing and I have to say that the motion regarding JB's request for the nearly 5,000 tips was very interesting!

He claimed that LE was trickling tips to him at KC's expense and selectively giving whatever they felt like.

He first claimed that LE decided to only give the psychic tips and then others but made him pay 1,000 and then another 600.00 for the other tips.

SA claimed that they had copied all of them and left them available for the defense to pick up as soon as they paid the costs equalling 1,500.00.

What is the truth here?

Do you think the HHBPJ is onto JB. He seemed to say (in my words)...so just go get them...she is indigent now and it is all free! I authorise 2,000 for that expense!

Would love to hear what you all think of this?
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The defense is wanting the tips brought to them and paid for by someone else. HHJP told them, NO, go them yourself and pay out of your own pocket to be reimbursed by the state!

I do NOT understand why the defense can't do simple things like pay for things, and pick up things. What kind of court is Baez used to practicing in? Clown court? Doitallforme court? I can't believe he passed law school, much less the bar!

It seems like the entire defense just keeps on sinking itself! I mean how are they going to put together a good argument when they can't get off of their lazy butts to get the material they need to do that? It's like they're just going to run around in circles until they get tired and just ask for a plea deal. Sheesh.
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It is the norm for the party requesting documents such as these to pay for the copying costs. This is true for almost all civil & criminal trials that I have worked on. Even when we need something from the court's file, its costs $$ to copy them, and more $ to certify them. If you want a transcript of the court hearing, you have to pay the court steno separately. If we want copies of medical records for example, that opposing has obtained....we pay for the copying costs. And its customary and very normal practice to go and review docs, flag the ones you want...and pay for the copying costs!

Bottom line here is that if defense wanted ALL the tips, and SA or LE went through the effort of gathering and copying all, damn straight its expected the defense is to pay for them. JB waited, purposely IMO, to get these records until after ICA was declared indigent...he's just playing stupid at this game. He knows damn well he would get these for free after that. And from being on both sides of the aisle in cases....no one is going to do your job for you, nor serve it to you on a silver platter. You want something, you do the work...that's the way it is in the legal world.
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Aedrys,

You asked what kind of court JB is used to filing in and it was rather funny that when defense was arguing the Oakridge Lab issue. HHBPJ mentioned that he was concerned that this was the type of motion usually seen in a civil court...Maybe Baez has the wrong Courtroom for Idiots book...He should have bought the criminal one instead of the civil one

Of course that one cost more than

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It is the norm for the party requesting documents such as these to pay for the copying costs. This is true for almost all civil & criminal trials that I have worked on. Even when we need something from the court's file, its costs $$ to copy them, and more $ to certify them. If you want a transcript of the court hearing, you have to pay the court steno separately. If we want copies of medical records for example, that opposing has obtained....we pay for the copying costs. And its customary and very normal practice to go and review docs, flag the ones you want...and pay for the copying costs!

Bottom line here is that if defense wanted ALL the tips, and SA or LE went through the effort of gathering and copying all, damn straight its expected the defense is to pay for them. JB waited, purposely IMO, to get these records until after ICA was declared indigent...he's just playing stupid at this game. He knows damn well he would get these for free after that. And from being on both sides of the aisle in cases....no one is going to do your job for you, nor serve it to you on a silver platter. You want something, you do the work...that's the way it is in the legal world.
I completely agree with this. That's also why JB is putting up such a fuss over the TES records. JB has shown us a track record for doing little to no work on this case as well as not spending money wisely. These tips he is requesting should not even be an issue at this point. The defense should have gone, paid for, and collected these things a long time ago. They dragged their feet plain and simple in an effort to get the Florida tax payers to pay for it.
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The state did bring up at one point that JB staff did go in to try and go through the tips to see what they wanted one time but never returned (implied it was so they didn't have to pay for everything). If I recall correctly then JB corrected her and said they went back to look again... once .. but never got anything

As everything is prepared and ready to go, I tend to believe the state on this issue.

As far as emails go.... I think JB knows darn good and well he should be asking for those in a seperate request (which he did and that is how he got them IMO). To bring them up in this context just gave the impression (once again) he was trying to slip some digs in re: the state he shouldn't have been.

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Why would anyone want a copy of all the tips? Is he checking to see if LE checked out the tips or just focused on Casey from the start? How will they know what tips were followed up on and what ones weren't? It seems to me that getting the tips is a waste of money.
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IMO, it's just a great big fishing expedition. They're looking for someone (anyone) else to pin the blame on. They got nothin'.

I honestly don't know where they get this idea that everything needs to be spoon fed to them. Boggles my mind.
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Why would anyone want a copy of all the tips? Is he checking to see if LE checked out the tips or just focused on Casey from the start? How will they know what tips were followed up on and what ones weren't? It seems to me that getting the tips is a waste of money.
...and the thing is...IIRC...the As had gotten a lot of the same tips. I've seen countless pages of tips (poor Officer White) that were odd...how does one differentiate when 99.9% of all the tips led nowhere? I wish more weight had been given to RK's tips (hindsight and all that), but the truth is the majority of tips were hooey.
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Why would anyone want a copy of all the tips? Is he checking to see if LE checked out the tips or just focused on Casey from the start? How will they know what tips were followed up on and what ones weren't? It seems to me that getting the tips is a waste of money.
Hi, Bobbisangel, I think that it's a predictable strategy that fortunately won't work in this case: You argue from your opening statement that LE fixated on Casey from the first day and ignored a bushel of other tips. The lawyer of nearly every family member every arrested for murder has made this argument.
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...and the thing is...IIRC...the As had gotten a lot of the same tips. I've seen countless pages of tips (poor Officer White) that were odd...how does one differentiate when 99.9% of all the tips led nowhere? I wish more weight had been given to RK's tips (hindsight and all that), but the truth is the majority of tips were hooey.
BBM-Dominic Casey said the same thing.

Didn't the state hand over the FBI's follow-ups as far as tips? What exactly are they looking for now? Tip Line only? Calls directly to the PD? Someone at the store tapping Yuri on the shoulder with info.? How about tips called in directly to the Anthony's that CA passed along?
I am not sure what exactly they are referring to, anyone help me with this?

My favorite tip is the voicemail left for YMelich by 'anonymous.' Anonymous sure sounds like Cindy, and anonymous says KC could not have acted alone.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar...forcement.html

(See YMelich voicemail from anonymous in the audio listing...LA's VM is very interesting, too)
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BBM-Dominic Casey said the same thing.

Didn't the state hand over the FBI's follow-ups as far as tips? What exactly are they looking for now? Tip Line only? Calls directly to the PD? Someone at the store tapping Yuri on the shoulder with info.? How about tips called in directly to the Anthony's that CA passed along?
I am not sure what exactly they are referring to, anyone help me with this?

My favorite tip is the voicemail left for YMelich by 'anonymous.' Anonymous sure sounds like Cindy, and anonymous says KC could not have acted alone.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar...forcement.html

(See YMelich voicemail from anonymous in the audio listing...LA's VM is very interesting, too)
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The defense is wanting the tips brought to them and paid for by someone else. HHJP told them, NO, go them yourself and pay out of your own pocket to be reimbursed by the state!

I do NOT understand why the defense can't do simple things like pay for things, and pick up things. What kind of court is Baez used to practicing in? Clown court? Doitallforme court? I can't believe he passed law school, much less the bar!

It seems like the entire defense just keeps on sinking itself! I mean how are they going to put together a good argument when they can't get off of their lazy butts to get the material they need to do that? It's like they're just going to run around in circles until they get tired and just ask for a plea deal. Sheesh.

Some of us are not rich and can not just drop a thousand bucks just like that. I do not expect defense attorneys to use out of pocket money. She is indigent and the Judge wants them to come to him for money. I do not see the problem here. Moo
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Why would anyone want a copy of all the tips? Is he checking to see if LE checked out the tips or just focused on Casey from the start? How will they know what tips were followed up on and what ones weren't? It seems to me that getting the tips is a waste of money.
Well I guess if we all could have had the Rk tip on August 11th 2008, then perhaps many people would have gone down there and checked it out. Obviously it is better that both sides have the tips. Le may have failed with this tip. Maybe not. But certainly they hope they failed at it and firing Rc was the answer to the problem, but if they would have made those 911 calls public, I believe that the public would have gone down there and checked it out. Furthermore, I do not believe we have seen the last of Rc.

To see the tips now is very important to know if anyone gave police exculpatory information. Now there must have been a problem getting these public records or it would not be brought up in court. Moo IMO
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BBM-Dominic Casey said the same thing.

Didn't the state hand over the FBI's follow-ups as far as tips? What exactly are they looking for now? Tip Line only? Calls directly to the PD? Someone at the store tapping Yuri on the shoulder with info.? How about tips called in directly to the Anthony's that CA passed along?
I am not sure what exactly they are referring to, anyone help me with this?

My favorite tip is the voicemail left for YMelich by 'anonymous.' Anonymous sure sounds like Cindy, and anonymous says KC could not have acted alone.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar...forcement.html

(See YMelich voicemail from anonymous in the audio listing...LA's VM is very interesting, too)
Notice how she says they were in the home with the grandmother from 7 - 9pm .. not for the night, not from 7pm...and yes its def Cindy. So the deception with LE started within the first week. Ridiculous.
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OMGosh - wasn't JB moaning about the tips 6 months ago? My apologies for not having a link, but I swear I remember both sides arguing with Strickland when he was the judge.

I wonder how long this is going to go on.

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Oh Lordy Lordy...the TIPS!
Please forgive my extreme eye-rolling this late evening but I just finished bugging my poor hubby (who just wants to get some sleep...lol) because I wanted his professional opinion (note: just opinion here!!!) on what this defense motion is all about.

His answers to all my questions???

"Fishing expedition---fishing for possible suspects---more fishing---yeah, fishing there----did I mention FISHING for any crumb of reasonable doubt?-they're looking for more innocent folks to add to their flimsy "Kronk-pile"---fishing------yep, the fish-word-----fishing for anything there that could be called exculpatory for their case----Nope, won't find anything there I bet----more fishy-fishing----Nope, sounds like LE did their job----Yep, she was the natural suspect-----come 'on Hon, I already TOLD you it's about fishing here!!"

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Just out of the hearing and I have to say that the motion regarding JB's request for the nearly 5,000 tips was very interesting!

He claimed that LE was trickling tips to him at KC's expense and selectively giving whatever they felt like.

He first claimed that LE decided to only give the psychic tips and then others but made him pay 1,000 and then another 600.00 for the other tips.

SA claimed that they had copied all of them and left them available for the defense to pick up as soon as they paid the costs equalling 1,500.00.

What is the truth here?

Do you think the HHBPJ is onto JB. He seemed to say (in my words)...so just go get them...she is indigent now and it is all free! I authorise 2,000 for that expense!

Would love to hear what you all think of this?
I am not a resident of Florida but that enraged me..with all the money he went through, why didn't he pick up those tips on ICA's dime??? Why did he abandon this a year ago??? I think this is a sleazy move for it will show him nothing, IMO...the accused who sits besides him is the only one who had Caylee in her custody and then she's gone???

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I am not a resident of Florida but that enraged me..with all the money he went through, why didn't he pick up those tips on ICA's dime??? Why did he abandon this a year ago??? I think this is a sleazy move for it will show him nothing, IMO...the accused who sits besides him is the only one who had Caylee in her custody and then she's gone???

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You bring up a very good point! If those tips were really so important, you would think that a meazly 1,500.00 would be easily paid from the 200,000.00 given.

Now I don't recall for certain but I am pretty sure the photos and videos were sold before the baby was found (backpack full to JB's office while she was out). You would think that they would have paid the copying fees for the tips prior to Caylee being found so that they could assist in the search!

Of course, we all know they were not interested in the tips and the search when it counted the most. They only want them now to serve themselves and to create more victims a-la-Kronk style!
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Some of us are not rich and can not just drop a thousand bucks just like that. I do not expect defense attorneys to use out of pocket money. She is indigent and the Judge wants them to come to him for money. I do not see the problem here. Moo
If that's the case. then perhaps he should get financial backing for his law practice? I'm sure there are any number of people willing to glomb onto the action for a fee.

It's considered the cost of doing business, IMO.

Interesting to note he had enough to drop on that new IPad he brings to court.
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You bring up a very good point! If those tips were really so important, you would think that a meazly 1,500.00 would be easily paid from the 200,000.00 given.

Now I don't recall for certain but I am pretty sure the photos and videos were sold before the baby was found (backpack full to JB's office while she was out). You would think that they would have paid the copying fees for the tips prior to Caylee being found so that they could assist in the search!

Of course, we all know they were not interested in the tips and the search when it counted the most. They only want them now to serve themselves and to create more victims a-la-Kronk style!
Jomo, they went though hundreds of thousand of dollars and you are correct for a measily $1500 he could have picked up those tips a year ago but didn't.

He now wants them as well as Joe Jordan's illegal tape to create reasonable doubt. My hope is that whatever jurors are seated will see through all the smoke and mirrors and do the right thing for Caylee.

Cheny is truly putting on a circus and hope he stays true to himself and as he stated when commentating on this case, in the end ICA will get LWOP..JMHO

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Some of us are not rich and can not just drop a thousand bucks just like that. I do not expect defense attorneys to use out of pocket money. She is indigent and the Judge wants them to come to him for money. I do not see the problem here. Moo
The problem with this line of thinking is that these tips were available rather early on in this case. Back before the defense received money from ABC, Todd M., and such I believe. These tips should have been paid for and picked up at that point (when the defense received said money). To my knowledge the money and expenditures still don't add up either.

The main point being the defense did have the money at one point and did not pay for and pick up these tips. Much of this case should have already been completed back when the defense did have money. That and lets not forget JB was paid 90k for his "work" on this case.
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Ummmm, maybe someone should sent JB the link to the docstore website and he would be able to view all the released docs, tips included as we have. The mans diet has to change; he is consuming far too much cheese with his whine.

It's a moot point now since HHJP authorized 2K to get the tips from the sheriffs office.
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Some of us are not rich and can not just drop a thousand bucks just like that. I do not expect defense attorneys to use out of pocket money. She is indigent and the Judge wants them to come to him for money. I do not see the problem here. Moo
Baez claims he paid $1000 and received psychic tips, is this not correct? Had Baez, or an employee of his office, gone to OCSO, and gone through the tips, they could have easily weeded out these tips that Baez referred to, IIRC, as 'junk', and saved themselves the $1000. Is this not correct?

IIRC, Baez stated in court he has received somewhere around $90,000 in payment for his services, though he doesn't seem to have any record of billable hours. Is it really that unreasonable to you for Baez, or an employee of his firm even, to actually go through some paperwork and pick out what they want? It is my understanding there is more to representing a client than filing motions, appearing in court, and giving press releases, but maybe I am mistaken. I'm just going by what my friends and family members who are attorneys and paralegals do in their line of work, maybe things are different in Florida?
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The problem with this line of thinking is that these tips were available rather early on in this case. Back before the defense received money from ABC, Todd M., and such I believe. These tips should have been paid for and picked up at that point (when the defense received said money). To my knowledge the money and expenditures still don't add up either.

The main point being the defense did have the money at one point and did not pay for and pick up these tips. Much of this case should have already been completed back when the defense did have money. That and lets not forget JB was paid 90k for his "work" on this case.
I see nothing wrong with Jb being paid 90k for his work. I think Todd or any other donor could allocate their donated money to whatever part of the defense they wanted. It sounded to me like these tips were not available and that there is some kind of misunderstanding about putting in motions for certain things. Jb was making it clear that someone at the sherrifs office was only providing phychic tips. Sa went ahead and made all the coppies for them since the Sherrifs office was being difficult IMO. At anyrate there was a mix up and now the Judge has approved the money for the records request. It is my opinion that these records were not always available.

How can the defense move on and move toward completion when the state is being difficult with discovery? It is my opinion that this trial will not move forward until the state turns over all discovery. The state turns over all discovery first, then the defense knows what they are defending against, in that order. That is my opinion. Yesterday the Judge took control of that situation and approved to pay for the tips. Now we can move on. IMO
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