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Old 06-08-2010, 11:18 PM
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There were 10 FBI agents within the area, and could have easily arrested Joran. Although they say "not enough evidence" however I do not buy that one at all.

Heck, the bride that tried to hire someone to kill her husband and she was under surveillance, as soon as she paid the money to the undercover cop, she was arrested.

Another example, Cummings/Croslin arrested while handing pills over to an undercover cop.
The FBI has no jurisdiction to arrest someone that is not on American soil, that has not been indicted, and would not have been indicted on a crime that requires extradition
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There were 10 FBI agents within the area, and could have easily arrested Joran. Although they say "not enough evidence" however I do not buy that one at all.

Heck, the bride that tried to hire someone to kill her husband and she was under surveillance, as soon as she paid the money to the undercover cop, she was arrested.

Another example, Cummings/Croslin arrested while handing pills over to an undercover cop.
The only (and direct) hinderance was that JVDS was in a foreign country. The hit-man wife and the Cummings were all on American soil.

When the feds are working overseas they have to deal with the local authorities and I do believe that the Aruban authorities were given them a real hard time about doing anything!

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The person that is being extorted seeks the help of the FBI for advise on how to handle the situation. The FBI may advise the individual that it may be to the individuals best interest not to give in to the demands of money for information. Then again, the FBI may say "we will assist you" with the demands, however, we can't decide for you what you want to do.
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Old 06-08-2010, 11:23 PM
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with all due respect Patty...I really wish the FBI was in on the raid of Misty and Ron... in fact I wish they were involved today....
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Old 06-08-2010, 11:25 PM
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I do understand what you're saying but at least the law (FBI) was involved in this ~ unlike others who have paid him outright for false information (and broadcasting rights). And what guarantee did any of those others have that he didn't/wasn't going to use their money in the same way? None.

All things considered, setting up a sting operation and possibly being able to bring your daughter home for burial seems less offensive to me than bargaining for false confessions and tapes of Joran's father (all the while keeping the flood lights aimed).

There is only one person responsible for these deaths and any gesture to attach guilt to anyone else seems misguided and tends to dilute Joran's responsibility, to my way of thinking. MOO
I absolutely agree with you. No one is responsible for what happened but Joran. Thinking that if he didn't have the money he wouldn't have gone there and then Stephany would be alive is counterproductive and as you stated "misguided"; and possibly not even true. If he wanted to get there he would have found a way.
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Old 06-08-2010, 11:27 PM
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The FBI has no jurisdiction to arrest someone that is not on American soil, that has not been indicted, and would not have been indicted on a crime that requires extradition
YUP, I know that and mentioned that often that the US FBI has no juridiction in any other country to arrest a foreigner outside of the USA. This is why having the FBI in Arubu ready to arrest Joran made no sense to me.

I only mentioned the 10 FBI agents being in the area because this is what was stated.

Most of my discussion tonight was clarifying that it was NOT the FBI that gave Joran the money but that it was Beth's money.


I did mention though, that I wish that the FBI did arrest Joran once he received the money, but clearly that was not possible.
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This video is in Spanish but shows a girl on the floor of Room 309 and she's wearing long black pants and a black shirt. Is this a re-enactment or is this a crime scene and the red panty report is faulty? I'm a bit confused here. Maybe a Spanish-speaker can tell us if this is Stephany or not. It occurs at the 25 second mark.
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Honestly, If Paulus would have stepped back and let the authorities investigate his son, it would of ended there...and the FBI would not be placed in the position of having to deal with a murderer/extortionist...
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YUP, I know that and mentioned that often that the US FBI has no juridiction in any other country to arrest a foreigner outside of the USA. This is why having the FBI in Arubu ready to arrest Joran made no sense to me.

I only mentioned the 10 FBI agents being in the area because this is what was stated.

Most of my discussion tonight was clarifying that it was NOT the FBI that gave Joran the money but that it was Beth's money.


I did mention though, that I wish that the FBI did arrest Joran once he received the money, but clearly that was not possible.
Patty, my guess is that the 10 FBI agents were there to set up the high-tech surveillance needed to record what was happening.
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Patty, my guess is that the 10 FBI agents were there to set up the high-tech surveillance needed to record what was happening.
Sounds good to me.
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Old 06-08-2010, 11:34 PM
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I'm not even going to even attempt to catch up since our chantisement.

Watcing Nancy Grace tonight, what I got from that was if Joran's lips are moving then he's lying.
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Old 06-08-2010, 11:35 PM
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This video is in Spanish but shows a girl on the floor of Room 309 and she's wearing long black pants and a black shirt. Is this a re-enactment or is this a crime scene and the red panty report is faulty? I'm a bit confused here. Maybe a Spanish-speaker can tell us if this is Stephany or not. It occurs at the 25 second mark.
It must be a re-enactment. She was found with her knees drawn up wearing only her shirt and panties...at least that's what US MSM is reporting.
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All in all... The most important thing is he off the streets...I worry though that there may be others that fell into his web....
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Old 06-08-2010, 11:40 PM
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At this point, Joran will be charge in some form for the death of Stephany. We know the USA is next in line for Joran once Joran finishes his sentence, IF he finishes his sentence in the Peruvian prisons. SHOULD Joran be linked with the two girls missing in Columbia, then Columbia will get a piece of Joran at some point.

Then we have Aruba, with it's sandy beaches, casinos, nice hotels to visit.
Here are two articles about the missing Colombia girls. One needs to be translated. The articles are all stating that Joran arrived in Colombia on May 6th and that he left for Peru on May 14 making his stay in Colombia 7 days, not 2 as has been reported. They do have video surveillance of him at the casinos. There is also a picture of two young girls kissing him on either cheek (I seriously doubt that these are the two missing and/or dead girls.

http://themoderatevoice.com/75648/pe...s-in-colombia/

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/491661/...sloot-ese-pais

At this link the writer indicates that the two women were murdered. I thought they were just missing. Maybe once the elcomercio article gets translated it will be clearer. I dunno.

http://news.lalate.com/2010/06/08/jo...lombian-women/
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Honestly, If Paulus would have stepped back and let the authorities investigate his son, it would of ended there...and the FBI would not be placed in the position of having to deal with a murderer/extortionist...
And Stephany would be alive.
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This video is in Spanish but shows a girl on the floor of Room 309 and she's wearing long black pants and a black shirt. Is this a re-enactment or is this a crime scene and the red panty report is faulty? I'm a bit confused here. Maybe a Spanish-speaker can tell us if this is Stephany or not. It occurs at the 25 second mark.
Definitely a re-enactment. A bit later they show the re-enactment as shadows on the wall, and then the woman on the floor again. This was just to give an idea of what happened.

My Spanish is faulty, and I've got a headache that won't quit, so I only watched once. The guy's voice is not compatible with my headache, so no more watching tonight. Essentially, it gave the basics of the crime and how he landed in police custody. Interesting how the officer had trouble opening that laptop, and what about that vest - bulletproof, perhaps?
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This video is in Spanish but shows a girl on the floor of Room 309 and she's wearing long black pants and a black shirt. Is this a re-enactment or is this a crime scene and the red panty report is faulty? I'm a bit confused here. Maybe a Spanish-speaker can tell us if this is Stephany or not. It occurs at the 25 second mark.
This needs to go into the translation thread JBEAN set up please. This looks like the example on a re-enactment.
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Truck driver Luis Aparcana said van der Sloot gave him 1,500 Peruvian soles ($525) to take him from Ica, a town south of Lima, to the Chilean border. The Dutchman didn't speak Spanish very well and carried two suitcases, he said in a TV interview.

Aparcana said van der Sloot appeared "worried, because he kept smoking cigarettes. He didn't have a cell phone but he had a laptop that he would take out, handle and then put back."
BBM...

This is something I find intriguing. Why didn't he have a cell phone? If even a pre-paid one? I can't imagine him being without one. Did he have one and ditch it?
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Here are two articles about the missing Colombia girls. One needs to be translated. The articles are all stating that Joran arrived in Colombia on May 6th and that he left for Peru on May 14 making his stay in Colombia 7 days, not 2 as has been reported. They do have video surveillance of him at the casinos. There is also a picture of two young girls kissing him on either cheek (I seriously doubt that these are the two missing and/or dead girls.

http://themoderatevoice.com/75648/pe...s-in-colombia/

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/491661/...sloot-ese-pais

At this link the writer indicates that the two women were murdered. I thought they were just missing. Maybe once the elcomercio article gets translated it will be clearer. I dunno.

http://news.lalate.com/2010/06/08/jo...lombian-women/
It was clarifield on JVM tonight via Jean getting info from Columbia that there are no 2 girls missing.

Here is the transcript:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...8/ijvm.01.html

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The once prime suspect in the Natalee Holloway`s disappearance confessing to another woman`s murder. Joran Van Der Sloot expected to re-enact his deadly assault on 21-year-old Stephany Flores inside his hotel room.

Straight out to Jean Casarez, correspondent for "In Session" who is live outside the hotel where Stephany died. And we`re covering breaking news that came in while we were on this show about two missing women allegedly in Colombia and a possible connection to Joran. But we have no independent confirmation.

Jean Casarez, what have you found out?

JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Well, what we`ve done, we have been able to contact correspondents for CNN in Colombia. And here is the e-mail we received back from them. They checked with authorities and say there is nothing to it. According Colombian police and Colombian attorney general`s office, there is no disappearance currently being investigated in Bogota or no investigation in Colombia in general in connection with Joran Van Der Sloot.

That`s what they are officially saying in Colombia. Of course when you say investigation, possibly just questioning is not tantamount to a full investigation at this point. But this is what information we`re getting from the law enforcement in Colombia tonight.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. So they would know if there were two women missing in Colombia and apparently we`re not hearing that.

So Mike Brooks, it`s a good thing that we have Jean Casarez there in Peru to check this stuff out.

BROOKS: She is the best, that`s for sure. We`re glad to have her on "In Session" that`s for sure. But then again, it`s not over with him. We`re going to have to go back, take a look at his passports, as said earlier, follow that paper trail and see exactly where he has been and when he was there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tim Miller, you`re the one who gave us this report that you had heard from Jossy Mansur who is the editor of "Diario" newspaper in Aruba that the authorities in Colombia had launched an investigation because two women were missing in a casino in Colombia.

Now we`re hearing from Jean Casarez that Colombian authorities are saying it isn`t happening. Now, we know in cases like this, I call it urban myth. Things, they sort of take on a life of their own. Is it possible that Jossy is simply wrong or his sources are bad? Because we`re getting conflicting information here.

MILLER: It`s possible that it is. I know that he was going to run that story tomorrow morning in his newspaper. And again while I was there he did get a phone call which stated that authorities were going to -- and in fact had getting to Peru to go ahead and talk to Joran Van Der Sloot. That was, I must say, three or four hours ago.

Also your caller said that it was also aired on a Spanish TV station.

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This is something I find intriguing. Why didn't he have a cell phone? If even a pre-paid one? I can't imagine him being without one. Did he have one and ditch it?
He probably had his cell phone in his dufflebag turned off so he couldn't be tracked by GPS. He was fleeing after all.
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Here are two articles about the missing Colombia girls. One needs to be translated. The articles are all stating that Joran arrived in Colombia on May 6th and that he left for Peru on May 14 making his stay in Colombia 7 days, not 2 as has been reported. They do have video surveillance of him at the casinos. There is also a picture of two young girls kissing him on either cheek (I seriously doubt that these are the two missing and/or dead girls.

http://themoderatevoice.com/75648/pe...s-in-colombia/

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/491661/...sloot-ese-pais

At this link the writer indicates that the two women were murdered. I thought they were just missing. Maybe once the elcomercio article gets translated it will be clearer. I dunno.

http://news.lalate.com/2010/06/08/jo...lombian-women/
he looks totally wasted in that pic. Wish it was dated.
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Here are two articles about the missing Colombia girls. One needs to be translated. The articles are all stating that Joran arrived in Colombia on May 6th and that he left for Peru on May 14 making his stay in Colombia 7 days, not 2 as has been reported. They do have video surveillance of him at the casinos. There is also a picture of two young girls kissing him on either cheek (I seriously doubt that these are the two missing and/or dead girls.

http://themoderatevoice.com/75648/pe...s-in-colombia/

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/491661/...sloot-ese-pais

At this link the writer indicates that the two women were murdered. I thought they were just missing. Maybe once the elcomercio article gets translated it will be clearer. I dunno.

http://news.lalate.com/2010/06/08/jo...lombian-women/
It would be nice to get more facts on the missing/murdered girls in Columbia. Could JVDS been travelling with someone else? Or JVDS go on a killing spree in SA?
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I don't believe it, though, Patty G. I think the Colombia police want to investigate/question Joran before they release anything. I think they were stalling JVM and American news media.
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Just a side note: a person can lighten their hair using regular hydrogen peroxide, if they were really desperate but didn't want to be obvious by buying hair dye or hair bleach.
Oh, I so want to see that convenience store video to see what he purchased and his demeanor!!!!!

I bet it was more than coffee and bread.

Do you think they will ever release the video?
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Yeah I thought Pat Brown was good. She said when Joran said Stephany "had no right" he was referring to her not wanting to have sex and it did not have anything to do with his story about the laptop.
I thought that was very interesting too and she's probably right. She's been trained and seen enough of this sort of thing.
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