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Old 12-05-2010, 07:53 PM
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Martin MacNeill: Wife's death murder or accident? - Utah

I've been following this crazy case for a year. A wife dies seemingly by accident, surviving spouse sends adopted daughter back to the Ukraine and him and his girlfriend steal adopted daughters identity and that's just for starters! A book needs to be written or a movie made. I never posted a thread because it was so involved. I'm posting a thread now because an author by the name of Sara Lenz (Deseret News) has written a fantastic in depth piece on this case. It's very long, but I hope you find it as interesting as I have.

Martin MacNeill: Was his wife Michele's death accidental or was it murder?

Editor's note: For more than a year, Deseret News reporter Sara Lenz has investigated the life of Martin MacNeill. The information in this story comes from court documents, 911 calls, police reports, an autopsy report, a search warrant affidavit, psychology reports and dozens of interviews with investigators, attorneys, police officers, neighbors, victims and family members detailing why some believe MacNeill may have killed his wife, Michele.

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I just started to read the above article. So very sad.
This is very interesting.
The poor children.
I'm only on page 7.
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I've been following this crazy case for a year. A wife dies seemingly by accident, surviving spouse sends adopted daughter back to the Ukraine and him and his girlfriend steal adopted daughters identity and that's just for starters! A book needs to be written or a movie made. I never posted a thread because it was so involved. I'm posting a thread now because an author by the name of Sara Lenz (Deseret News) has written a fantastic in depth piece on this case. It's very long, but I hope you find it as interesting as I have.

Martin MacNeill: Was his wife Michele's death accidental or was it murder?

Editor's note: For more than a year, Deseret News reporter Sara Lenz has investigated the life of Martin MacNeill. The information in this story comes from court documents, 911 calls, police reports, an autopsy report, a search warrant affidavit, psychology reports and dozens of interviews with investigators, attorneys, police officers, neighbors, victims and family members detailing why some believe MacNeill may have killed his wife, Michele.

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It takes a bit for the page to load. Maybe traffic overload or something?
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Make sure y'all listen to the 911 call. It's listed on the first page and I can't link it here. I don't think it's in it's entirety.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...rder.html?pg=1

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Years later, the Pleasant Grove dispatcher says she can still hear Martin's "aggressive, angry and condescending" voice as she tried to offer assistance. The calls were so unusual that the recordings were saved in order to provide training for other dispatchers.
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Wow this is crazy! I just came across this article today and read the story. This is the first I have heard of it, but this is an interesting case.
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Wow this is crazy! I just came across this article today and read the story. This is the first I have heard of it, but this is an interesting case.
I'd bet that there is so much about this guy and his life that it couldn't fit into 20 pages. The man is diabolical.
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Some quotes from article

MacNeill used his position as a doctor to have access to women and used his title as attorney to get around the law.

Michele was absolutely beautiful! IMO

'If you only knew about his childhood …,' "

" 'Brilliant' forgery spree inspired by TV."

Martin had forged $35,000 in checks and had gone on a three-day spending spree

Martin was discharged from the military for schizophrenia

Martin had the know-how to kill his wife and make it look like an accident

Some even suspect Martin may have killed others

this is just from the first 2.5 pages
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Martin served a six-month jail sentence for his forgery, theft and fraud charges

Martin obtained his medical license in 1987

The couple had 3 children by this time.

Martin worked part time at the BYU Health Center while earning a law degree

He graduated law school in 1990, taking a position as director of Medical Law Comp in Washington and then returning to Utah.

adopted five more children

Michele as one of the most kind, generous, loving people
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Martin threatened to kill Michele and himself with a butcher knife after she caught him looking at pornography in August of 2000.

Martin spent the night at Wasatch Mental Health.

Martin became verbally and mentally abusive to Michele

he no longer loved Michele he said, according to daughter.

daughter said that ' he didn't want the adopted daughters anymore'

Michele thought Martin was having an affair.

6 weeks before her death......Gypsy Willis....phone calls on record

After Michele's death, several women came forward with information about affairs and accusations of rape against Martin
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8 days before her death Martin set up a face lift plastic surgery for Michele.
The surgeon prescribed Lortab syrup, Ambien, Oxycodone and Valium.

The doctor told investigators he had "never prescribed the combination of drugs listed above to a patient and would not have in this case had it not been for the recommendation of Martin MacNeill, and then only on the condition that Mr. MacNeill monitor the administration of the substances as a physician."
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he may have overmedicated her mother....She didn't leave her mother's side after this.

Alexis said her mother had not asked for any medication and didn't need any for the pain
Michele feared her husband was giving her too much medication

Martin made numerous inconsistent statements regarding the facts surrounding his wife's death.

Martin withheld information from hospital personnel, the police and the medical examiner

911 call, Martin can be heard yelling to the dispatcher that his wife is unconscious and underwater in the bathtub.

told others his wife was found hanging on the outside of the tub

Michele's lividity formed on the back of her legs and buttocks, Michele died on her back.

911 call.......Martin's "aggressive, angry and condescending" voice

911 call so unusual the recordings were saved in order to provide training for other dispatchers.

Martin was "very insistent" that she take a photograph of him, "so that people would know that he was present." (at a health fair that morning)

young daughterl found her mother fully-clothed in the tub

full of reddish-brown water

neighbors also said they saw her mother sitting up in the tub.

neighbor seeing no water in the tub and said Michele was only wearing an upper undergarment.

neighbor arrived, he and Martin pulled Michele out of the tub and started CPR

Martin found her hunched over the tub, with her head inside, the affidavit states.

"dry drowning,"

found a pile of towels that were wet and bloody.

Alexis suspects her father had help from his girlfriend that day, though no one knows for sure.
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In pictures taken by police, a pile of Michele's clothes that appear to be wet are next to the tub.
Alexis and Rachel found those clothes hours after the death in the garage and confirmed they were soaking wet with blood on them.

IMO, why wasn't Martin charged ??????
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[b]SUSIEQ/B] You have me so hooked now!!!

Michele's cause of death to include drug toxicity, and under manner of death, it says that Michele could not have administered medication to herself.

Martin told his LDS ward he was dying of a rare form of foot cancer, had multiple sclerosis and even used a cane during Michele's funeral.

Daughters saw him hauling hay and taking dry wall to basement....no health problems.

Martin's behavior there as "bizarre" and inconsistent with a bereaving husband
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drugs had been administered to her less than an hour before her death

Her daughter thinks that her dad crushed the meds in mom's food.
Michele had quit taking meds.

Martin spoke at the funeral talked about his family as "the definition of dysfunctional"
only mentioned Michele in passing, never spoke about her life or characteristics

and said "What have I done to cause this?"

Martin had 1 of his children call Michele's 2 brothers and said not to come
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[b]SUSIEQ/B] You have me so hooked now!!!

Michele's cause of death to include drug toxicity, and under manner of death, it says that Michele could not have administered medication to herself.

Martin told his LDS ward he was dying of a rare form of foot cancer, had multiple sclerosis and even used a cane during Michele's funeral.

Daughters saw him hauling hay and taking dry wall to basement....no health problems.

Martin's behavior there as "bizarre" and inconsistent with a bereaving husband
BBM. Cool, it was lonely being the only one hooked for so long. I honestly did not know where to start with this story.
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Utah man pleads guilty in identity-theft case

Published: Friday, June 5, 2009 6:17 p.m. MDT

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...heft-case.html

Pleasant Grove man's life built on years of lies

Published: Saturday, Sept. 26, 2009 12:00 a.m. MDT
By Sara Lenz, Deseret News

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...s-of-lies.html

Lies shatter Utah family

Published: Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2009 12:00 a.m. MST
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...ah-family.html

Imprisoned doctor Martin MacNeill loses his license for 10 years

Published: Tuesday, Jan. 12, 2010 12:00 a.m. MST
By Sara Lenz, Deseret News
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...-10-years.html

Pleasant Grove woman charged in identity theft case

Published: Tuesday, Dec. 8, 2009 12:00 a.m. MST
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...heft-case.html
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passionflower, did you catch his behavior at his school the day of murder was so wacky that someone filed a complaint?
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Shame on this man for the truly evil things he has done and shame on the Police who didn't investigate Michelle's death properly in the first place.

I pray the children are able find some peace and that the daughter who was sent back to the Ukraine can overcome all of the rejection she must have faced in her short life.
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I was shocked that after the forgery, only 6 months in jail and could become botha doctor and a lawyer after being a felon.
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The night of Michele's funeral, neighbor said Martin wasn't crying and didn't seem sad. Martin gave her a tour of the house and told her about the improvements he was planning.
he brought her some flowers from the funeral and she recalled that "he seemed almost happy."

he had been dating GYPSY for 16 months, new nanny's name, Gypsy Willis

Alexis told him, her mom had believed he was having an affair with GYPSY.
Martin told her adult siblings that Alexis was no longer a part of the family and she was not allowed to talk to her four younger siblings.

Willis moved in with the family

Willis was not the only woman Martin was involved with sexually before Michele's death.


One of his lover's said she believed he is a "serial killer"

she said Martin confessed he'd killed people before

tried to kill his mother when he was young but his sister called 911

Martin told (the woman) that he pushed the head of his brother under the water and drowned him," the affidavit states.

At Michele's funeral, Martin talked about his brother's death "Ten nickel bags were his ticket out," a needle in his arm.............
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Martin said at Micheles service that his oldest brother "drank himself senseless," Another brother's body was ravaged from years of booze and heroin, Another brother took his own life just two months before Michele died. A sister died in her early 20s after strangling herself.
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"MacNeill has a whole history of people dying around him," Witney said.

Martin once even offered to kill her husband

Martin also considered killing another family "embarrassment," one of his daughters approached him about her drug addiction problems,

Martin's only son, Damian, committed suicide in January 2010 by overdosing on prescription drugs

Damian was the only sibling who said he did not believe his dad killed his mother

Gypsy Willis talked about poisoning Martin's wife or cutting the brake lines of her car. Willis said she had been stalking Michele, and broke into the MacNeill home and stole a photo of her.
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Willis said Martin would tell his wife he was going to the bathroom, then had sex with Willis in a closet while his wife remained at the table.

Willis as turning "dark and violent" after she started taking methamphetamines to lose weight for Martin.

Martin and Willis began altering Willis' identity, obtaining false military IDs, a Utah state ID card, and opening numerous bank accounts under the false name and identity.

They used the identity of his 16-year-old adopted daughter, Giselle — a daughter investigators say he had "flown to the Ukraine and left there to fend for herself" in the summer following his wife's death.
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Willis took on the identity of Jillian Giselle MacNeill

They used Michele's funeral date as their supposed marriage date

Martin was indicted in federal court in January 2009 on nine counts of aiding and abetting in aggravated identity theft, misuse of a Social Security number, and making false statements. He pleaded guilty to two counts of aiding and abetting in aggravated identity theft.

August of 2009, Martin was sentenced to four years in prison

Willis was sentenced to 21 months in prison BUT she planned to flee to Mexico
and was arrested asap.

September of 2009, Martin also pleaded guilty to three felonies ..3 more years in prison with 6 years of probation.

The house was in Michele's name. Martin had not wanted to go through probate or pay taxes, so instead acted as his deceased wife's attorney, pretended she was still alive and had the property transferred to his name.

Willis filed a $1 million lien on the house, which is illegal.
Willis went to remove the lien, she and Martin were arrested.

Martin was very articulate, intelligent, well-educated and he premeditated these criminal acts."

Martin changed his will to give just $1 to each of his children. Everything else was to go to Willis under her false identity. To Wissler's knowledge, the will remains the same.

Willis/Martin in FED prison in TX.
Willis' current release date is March 12, 2011, and Martin's is July 8, 2012.

Alexis said her father has threatened to destroy her personally

Thoughts of their father being released so soon, however, scares both Rachel and Alexis

"There are future victims at risk."

Witney and Robinson would never have looked into the death had it not been for the concerns and suspicions of family members and their persistence to reopen the case. A letter from Michele's mother and documents kept by her drew Witney's attention into the case.
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