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Old 01-01-2011, 10:23 AM
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Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario

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That was how veteran homicide detective Staff Sergeant Steve Hrab described the murder of 73-year-old Audrey Gleave, found dead inside her secluded, rural Ancaster home on Indian Trail Thursday morning.

“In the last 10 years I can’t think of one more vicious,” he said, later adding that the case stands out in the top 1 per cent.

Gleave was stabbed multiple times, Hrab said. Investigators believe there was a “sexual component” and that she didn’t know her attacker or attackers.
http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/ar...d-teacher-dead


Audrey lived alone (other than for her two German Shepherds) and had no family. Police are warning locals to be cautious.
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'Horrendous' sex murder worries police

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"Monday night is the last time police believe anyone had contact with Gleave.

No neighbours reported seeing or hearing anything suspicious over the past few days. But the Fergusons’ dogs suddenly began barking wildly around 2:30 a.m. Wednesday."



This is just an awful story...this poor woman.
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http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?hl=en&...f7eba031d1ed72

I think this is where Audrey's house is. The news articles indicate that her house was surrounded by forested areas as well as bordered by a cemetery on one side. (The house set further back from the cemetery could also possibly be hers.

Either way, it would be difficult to see much from the road so the killer could have had a lot of privacy.
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http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?hl=en&...f7eba031d1ed72

I think this is where Audrey's house is. The news articles indicate that her house was surrounded by forested areas as well as bordered by a cemetery on one side. (The house set further back from the cemetery could also possibly be hers.

Either way, it would be difficult to see much from the road so the killer could have had a lot of privacy.
You are correct Snoop, this article gives the address, google map took me to the same area.

Hamilton Police were called to 3401 Indian Trail, Ancaster shortly before 1100 am on December 30, 2011.


http://www.oyetimes.com/news/canada/...-hamilton-home
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From Blondie in Spokane's link:
Audrey Gleave


3401 Indian Trail Road in Lynden

more images: http://www.thespec.com/photozone/307921
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http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?hl=en&...f7eba031d1ed72

I think this is where Audrey's house is. The news articles indicate that her house was surrounded by forested areas as well as bordered by a cemetery on one side. (The house set further back from the cemetery could also possibly be hers.

Either way, it would be difficult to see much from the road so the killer could have had a lot of privacy.
IMHO the house further back is more likely to be her neighbours', [modsnip]
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OPP loaded Gleave’s white Camaro onto a truck and removed it from the scene
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Thanks flipflop and Hazel for the further detail.

This case has been swirling around in my head all day. I can’t seem to shake it. I can’t imagine what horrors Audrey went through. What’s been nagging at me, beyond the terror that Audrey must have faced, is that this victim is so unlikely.

Audrey was a 73 year old woman who, by all accounts, was extremely private and fairly reclusive. Who even knew that she lived alone in that house? She had no family....and therefore no hidden grudges on that front. She had been a high school science teacher until 14 years ago. I can’t imagine an old student holding a grudge for that many years. She had her regular Wednesday coffee group with other retired teachers, but other than that, it doesn’t seem that she socialized much. Someone, the person that found her body, checked on her somewhat regularly. (It’s not clear to me who this individual is.) She sent the occasional email to her neighbour. Other than that, no one had regular contact with her.

So, what are the possible motives in her murder? No wonder the police believe the murderer was a stranger.

If the motive was sexual in nature, how many people even knew an elderly woman lived alone in that house? It is a secluded area with a limited number of neighbours and only modest traffic on the road. Since the house is secluded from the road, it’s not as if her place would be easily monitored by passerby.

The burglary motive is also being considered by LE. I can see why. It was Christmas holidays and thieves would be looking for opportunities to steal from empty homes. Audrey lived in a nice area, in a nice house. Her house was secluded from the road, which would provide cover. Perhaps Audrey didn’t put up much in the way of Christmas decorations, and, since she lived in a fairly large house, there likely weren’t many lights on inside. But, and here is my big but, what are the chances that a burglar would also be a rapist/sexual pervert? I could see a murder, if the burglar was surprised by Audrey’s presence...but that’s a big leap to sexual assault and such violence.

One random thought: why did LE take away her car? If it was clear that she was murdered in the house, then I wouldn’t think they would haul the car to the lab for more detailed forensic testing. I wonder what they saw?

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The car...hm. Just doing their due diligence, perhaps, or perhaps they have developed a theory that she might have been abducted outside her home and been driven back to it.
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Police have a new lead in the case of a 73-year-old woman who was found brutally murdered in her secluded Ancaster home.

Homicide detective Staff Sergeant Steve Hrab said police will be searching a nearby farm for information about the murder of Audrey Gleave.

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...t-for-a-killer
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It's starting to look more like theory #1: sexual assault. The only people that would know that an elderly single woman lived there, would be locals. Hmmmm.

Further to WFGODOT's comment, perhaps the perp was watching her place and jumped her as she got out of her car.
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I find it hard to believe that 2 German Shepherds would not defend the woman from an intruder.Since the victim is known to be "hermit-like",I assume most of her social interactions occur when the dogs are taken out for a walk....
Maybe someone with whom the dogs felt comfortable, was able to corral them into another room during the attack?
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Ok so we have a vicious cold blooded killer on the loose and what does this "brilliant journalist" write... he/she advertises that there are more females living alone in the area, I can't imagine how these women feel that are living alone in this area, then reading this national newspaper to find out that the journalist made this info public knowledge.


“My grandma lives near there and she’s often home alone,” she said. “It’s scary.”

Other neighbours said a few elderly women live by themselves in the Indian Trail area

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/ar...-of-woman?bn=1

Journalists should really think before they type, afterall we live in a society full of psychos,

like the guy in this next link who was released in September 2010 whom is a high risk offender.
http://www.torontosun.com/news/toron.../15461246.html

or this one who is in a Correctional Center which allows him to come and go as he pleases during the day, he is from Hamilton.
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...ozens-of-women

YIKES, I cannot believe how many sex offenders are high risk and are out in our neighbourhoods...this link has several pics on it and they are all in the Toronto/Hamilton/Peel areas.
http://whosyourneighbour.ca/id26.html

Ok, I am going to stop searching...there are lots out on the loose, its a scary world we live in thanks to our justice system. "High risk offenders" and "released" should never appear in the same sentence IMO.

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I find it hard to believe that 2 German Shepherds would not defend the woman from an intruder.Since the victim is known to be "hermit-like",I assume most of her social interactions occur when the dogs are taken out for a walk....
Maybe someone with whom the dogs felt comfortable, was able to corral them into another room during the attack?
http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/Art...aspx?e=2912179

"Gleave had two big and "mean" German Shepherds who she would lock up when Sharp and his wife, Margaret, would visit.

"I don't know how they (the attacker or attackers) would of got by her dogs, unless they shot them," Boyd said."

Does make you wonder how whoever it was got by the dogs... but since the car was taken in, there could be a scenario where she was out somewhere, abducted, forced to drive to her own home & perhaps she ordered the dogs away because her attacker threatened to hurt or kill them if they came close... I've read in other articles that she called her puppies 'her babies'. She may have locked them up or left them outside to protect them.
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Police have a new lead in the case of a 73-year-old woman who was found brutally murdered in her secluded Ancaster home.

Homicide detective Staff Sergeant Steve Hrab said police will be searching a nearby farm for information about the murder of Audrey Gleave.

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...t-for-a-killer
I am kind of surprised that they released this information. It sounds like LE has a clear direction that they are investigating since they are referring to a specific place. Perhaps that is to provide some comfort to the neighbours.....a sign that they expect to solve it soon or have a specific possible suspect in their sights.

In the video at the following link, a couple of neighbours are interviewed. The woman says that a neighbour told her that she saw someone walking down Audrey's driveway wearing a backpack. What made it so odd is that they never get pedestrians in their area.

http://www.chchnews.ca/index.php/hom...-gleave-killer
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"Gleave had two big and "mean" German Shepherds who she would lock up when Sharp and his wife, Margaret, would visit.

"I don't know how they (the attacker or attackers) would of got by her dogs, unless they shot them," Boyd said."

Does make you wonder how whoever it was got by the dogs... but since the car was taken in, there could be a scenario where she was out somewhere, abducted, forced to drive to her own home & perhaps she ordered the dogs away because her attacker threatened to hurt or kill them if they came close... I've read in other articles that she called her puppies 'her babies'. She may have locked them up or left them outside to protect them.
Im puzzled with the dogs, if she had to lock up the dogs when friends visited, I cannot imagine how they would act with complete strangers in the house. I wonder where LE found the dogs in the house and if they were locked up.
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If the dogs didn't attack wouldn't one assume that the dogs were either known by the perp or that possibly the dogs were drugged before? [I have only seen the knock-out medication in the steak trick in the movies, however.]

I am leaning more towards the perp knew the dogs. My family had a German Shepard growing up and the more times people came around so would the dog.

I haven't found this in the article but where the dogs locked up when LE arrived?

I find it completely disturbing how a 73 year old woman was attacked like this.
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If the dogs didn't attack wouldn't one assume that the dogs were either known by the perp or that possibly the dogs were drugged before? [I have only seen the knock-out medication in the steak trick in the movies, however.]

I am leaning more towards the perp knew the dogs. My family had a German Shepard growing up and the more times people came around so would the dog.

I haven't found this in the article but where the dogs locked up when LE arrived?

I find it completely disturbing how a 73 year old woman was attacked like this.
The only thing that I have seen in print was that LE had taken the dogs into animal shelter care. It sounds like she didn't have many friends or visitors, the neighbours said she locked the "mean" dogs up when they came by. Im thinking she tried to proctect her dogs ahead of herself and locked them up.


It was just before 11 a.m. on Thursday — three days after police surmise Gleave was last heard from — that the body of the retired teacher was found by someone who had stopped by her Indian Trail house for "a regular visit," Hrab said.

According to neighbours, that someone was a young man who often helped the short-of-breath Gleave with odd jobs around her house.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canad...-16718126.html

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According to neighbours, that someone was a young man who often helped the short-of-breath Gleave with odd jobs around her house.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canad...-16718126.html
This new article goes a bit further:
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BRANTFORD, Ont. -- About a dozen Hamilton police officers converged on a farm property Sunday between Brantford and Brant County, searching for clues in the vicious sex slaying of an Ancaster, Ont., woman.

At the farm property Sunday afternoon were about a dozen vehicles, including seven cruisers, an incident command post and two officers on horseback from a mounted patrol unit.

The mounted officers paced the horses through the stubble of corn and soybean fields that surround a couple of barns and outbuildings on the rural property about 100 km southwest of Toronto.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canad.../16733986.html
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BRANTFORD, Ont. -- About a dozen Hamilton police officers converged on a farm property Sunday between Brantford and Brant County, searching for clues in the vicious sex slaying of an Ancaster, Ont., woman.

At the farm property Sunday afternoon were about a dozen vehicles, including seven cruisers, an incident command post and two officers on horseback from a mounted patrol unit.

The mounted officers paced the horses through the stubble of corn and soybean fields that surround a couple of barns and outbuildings on the rural property about 100 km southwest of Toronto.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canad.../16733986.html
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“As a result of the appeals we've had a number of people in the area call us with information,” Hrab said in an interview Sunday. “As a result of that, we are focusing our investigation on that abandoned farm.”

He said he couldn't say at this point what drew investigators to the property or what they may have found.
The property being searched appears to be 347 Lynden Rd., which looks like it is about 6 km west of Audrey's house, on the same road (the road changes names from Indian Trail to Lynden Rd., according to google maps). I got the street address from the video clip at the above link.
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She was obviously very, very intelligent,” said Allan, who now lives in Sturgeon Falls.

The retired teacher was the only child to eastern European parents. Her father died and her mother “disappeared,” Allan said.

Gleave was “paranoid” because she lived alone, he said. In fact, she did not want many people to know her e-mail address and had stopped communicating with his brother after he might have disclosed it, he said.
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so sad that she was essentially alone in the world and apparently didn't know what became of her own mom and ended up dying tragically herself

... her mother “disappeared,”

Gleave was “paranoid” because she lived alone ...

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...-audrey-gleave
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OMG my sister lived just a few doors down from this poor woman for years. She doesn't know the victim but is shocked by the news. Not what you would expect in this area.
This is a very nice area and Indian Trail is a very quiet road except twice a day during rush hour with traffic going in and out of Brantford.
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Does anyone know just how far the cemetery is from Ms. Gleave's home? I wonder if people who visited that cemetery could have approached her home with ill intent. It's also a possibility that she startled someone or a group out at the cemetery near 2:30 am Wednesday morning, when the dogs were barking loudly. Possibly she let the dogs out in the night and they confronted a group or a person and she was pulled into something vicious and horrid. Being that it is stated that she was reclusive, I wonder if she had a tendency to call LE if she saw a stranger or if she relied on the dogs to chase people off.
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I do not know this area at all and I'm terrible with online maps but it certainly seems that the Ancaster area is known for haunted places. I found a MS page which details many of the spots.

http://www.myspace.com/hauntedhamilton

I wonder if the cemetery near Ms. Gleave's home was a popular gathering spot for those seeking haunted places, teens dabbling in the darker arts, or serious rituals based around Christmas Day. Possibly, she'd had a problem with frightening people in the area before and that's why she had shepherds.
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