Victim - Melissa Barthelemy

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Hey all. As they say, long time listener, fist time caller...as a mother, i just don't understand why MB's mom wouldn't insist on finding out where else her daughter's remains were found. That IS her daughter after all....I would NEVER let that go unsaid and I would come down here and hound the cops EVERY day for info....

Welcome!

Don't know where to start...

First i was going to say maybe she it not allowed to say where? Then I figure let me watch video for how she was acting when saying it.

Then I go to News12 to find that video is now just a picture and the video is gone???
 
considering the past phone calls in this case to victims family...what if the call really didn't come from the coroner's office? I mean, would the coroner actually call the victim's mother or would investigators?
 
Then I go to News12 to find that video is now just a picture and the video is gone???
The vid is back but they removed the bit with Melissa's mother talking about the coroner call, and replaced it with her talking about Melissa losing her job, and how she may have ended up advertising escort services on craigslist. And I agree, changing the vid up that way is odd.
 
The vid is back but they removed the bit with Melissa's mother talking about the coroner call, and replaced it with her talking about Melissa losing her job, and how she may have ended up advertising escort services on craigslist. Which I agree, is odd.

They edited it @ 10:36pm 4 minutes before I posted.

I am going back to the theory that this case was taken out of the hands of the SCPD commisioner and somebody is running a much tighter ship.

IMO I believe we are so far in the dark right now it isn't funny. Wish this was Florida.
 
LE made the same mistakes with BTK back in the 70's. They released just enough info to scare the public but released nothing that could help the public so that they could give tips. Why are they keeping so much under wraps? What did this guy do that is so bad that LE won't even mention in the public? This could be alot deeper and darker than LE is letting on about. They are doing alot of down-playing. If the BG5 were dismembered, why would they keep this fact secret, and the other victims who were dismembered, made public? Very strange....
 
Thanks Shadow. Thought everyone could see the video.

Typed up the mothers quote:

She said, "Yes the coroners office called my phone and they told me that they found another part of my daughters remains and they identified it through DNA. And they wouldn't acknowledge as to where it was found or anything of that matter.

Wow! If this was normal animal scatter, I feel they would have simply told Melissa's mom. If this was deliberate dismemberment, it would show a stronger link to the Manorville murders and indicate a murderer who has been active for over a decade. IF IF IF that is the case, I can see why LE would want to keep it quiet.
 
LE made the same mistakes with BTK back in the 70's. They released just enough info to scare the public but released nothing that could help the public so that they could give tips. Why are they keeping so much under wraps? What did this guy do that is so bad that LE won't even mention in the public? This could be alot deeper and darker than LE is letting on about. They are doing alot of down-playing. If the BG5 were dismembered, why would they keep this fact secret, and the other victims who were dismembered, made public? Very strange....

Has anyone thought about the logistics of fitting a non-dismembered adult into a burlap sack? I have always pictured a burlap sack to be the size of a bushel of clams. I don't know how large burlap bags come, but I have never seen one that would be easy to fit a non-dismembered adult in.
 
Has anyone thought about the logistics of fitting a non-dismembered adult into a burlap sack? I have always pictured a burlap sack to be the size of a bushel of clams. I don't know how large burlap bags come, but I have never seen one that would be easy to fit a non-dismembered adult in.

Hi truthspider, The sacks come in different sizes. I am small and can easily fit into the size that is used for sack races if I were squatting or in the fetal position, for example. hth

wm
 
Has anyone thought about the logistics of fitting a non-dismembered adult into a burlap sack? I have always pictured a burlap sack to be the size of a bushel of clams. I don't know how large burlap bags come, but I have never seen one that would be easy to fit a non-dismembered adult in.

I think the largest is 60 kilograms
 
Has anyone thought about the logistics of fitting a non-dismembered adult into a burlap sack? I have always pictured a burlap sack to be the size of a bushel of clams. I don't know how large burlap bags come, but I have never seen one that would be easy to fit a non-dismembered adult in.

A lot of the older stories I've come across say wrapped in burlap or covered in burlap. Were they actually in burlap bags or just wrapped in burlap material?
 
A lot of the older stories I've come across say wrapped in burlap or covered in burlap. Were they actually in burlap bags or just wrapped in burlap material?

Thanks dcgrumpy,
I remember wrapped in burlap. Not bags.
I will say it again that the Nassau remains bug me here.

JMO
I can't help but wonder if there was some dismembering done across the board and we have not been told. Maybe to remove identifying items if needed?
 
I sent this info to crimestoppers:

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Here is a map of the aprox. address, the corner of 32nd Street and 6th Avenue, of the client Shannon Gilberts served in Manhattan between ca 12-12:30 AM May 1, 2010 right before she went out to LI Joseph Brewer.

As you can see that location is right in the neighborhood of the traced phonecalls that the possible serial killer made to Melissa Barthelemy's littel sister in Jul/Aug 2009.

So could the client that Shannan Gilbert served before she went out to LI be the LI serial killer?
Did he follow Shannon Gilbert out to LI?

A long shot I know but then again who knows?



Additionally:
Maureen Brainard-Barnes rang friends in distress July 9, 2007 from the Port Authority Bus Terminal in midtown Manhattan, saying she had been robbed of the money she earned that day.
Port Authority Bus Terminal is located ca 1000 feet west of Time Square
 
on the phone calls Barthelemy's family rec'd purportedly from the killer...surely law enforcement recorded those calls *after* the first one...and surely they can do voice recognition or some sort of comparison to known suspects.

IMO
 
LE made the same mistakes with BTK back in the 70's. They released just enough info to scare the public but released nothing that could help the public so that they could give tips. Why are they keeping so much under wraps? What did this guy do that is so bad that LE won't even mention in the public? This could be alot deeper and darker than LE is letting on about. They are doing alot of down-playing. If the BG5 were dismembered, why would they keep this fact secret, and the other victims who were dismembered, made public? Very strange....

Maybe that is the misinformation to weed out false confessions...
 
Do we know for all four victims, where they lived in NY? Just to make sure, the obvious Craigslist ad isn't the only common denominator. No, to be honest, I doubt, this is the common denominator at all. It's that kind of "all victims breathed are while alive, so we can conclude, the killer is a carbon-based oxygen-breathing life from too. It's technically correct and somehow senseless. So there must be something else. Craigslist is full, so why pick four victims, which look basically different?
 
Do we know for all four victims, where they lived in NY? Just to make sure, the obvious Craigslist ad isn't the only common denominator. No, to be honest, I doubt, this is the common denominator at all. It's that kind of "all victims breathed are while alive, so we can conclude, the killer is a carbon-based oxygen-breathing life from too. It's technically correct and somehow senseless. So there must be something else. Craigslist is full, so why pick four victims, which look basically different?

Only two of the GB4 lived in NY. Meagan Waterman lived in Maine and Maureen Brainard Barnes lived in CT.

As for common denominators, I think Craigslist IS a common denominator. But I don't think it's the only common denominator. My best guess is that the narrowest common denominator is Backpage and/or Utopia Guide Long Island. Of all the providers who list their services on CL, our SK would have to find ones who travelled to him. Not just once, but on frequent enough occasions for him to court them and gain their trust. What better place to do that than Backpage or Utopia Guide Long Island? And sure enough, we can trace at least 3 of our victims to those sites.
 
Meagan Waterman's family lives in Maine and she was last seen returning to NY. Which means, she must have had a place there. The same for Maureen Brainard Barnes. But I couldn't find any hints where those places were. However, it's hard to imagine, that two prostitutes doing most of their business in NY returned every night to Me or CT, at least to me it's hard to imagine.
And I maybe expressed the Craigslist thing misunderstandable. Of course, it's something, they had in common and as such, a common denominator. But like you, I have doubts, it's the only one and even more doubts, it is THE common denominator leading to the killer.
Now, you found already a probable other option for a denominator worth looking into it with the Backpage and Utopia guide. My approach is a little different here. Melissa Barthelmy deposited money later in the night, she disappeared. That means, she had already finished her business with the client. But then, since this was unpredictable, the killer must have stalked her. Otherwise, he couldn't have known, she would be there at this time in the first place. There are more details and in fact too many to list them all in one post. I have them on my website which I can't link due to forums rules. But if you are interested, you can just google my name and find my wife and me on the internet.
However, I think, he knew and stalked his victims, you point out that guides. It can well be we are both right, because that isn't mutual exclusive, isn't it? Of course, we can be both wrong as well ... question is, how can we prove it?
 
Meagan Waterman's family lives in Maine and she was last seen returning to NY. Which means, she must have had a place there. The same for Maureen Brainard Barnes. But I couldn't find any hints where those places were. However, it's hard to imagine, that two prostitutes doing most of their business in NY returned every night to Me or CT, at least to me it's hard to imagine.
And I maybe expressed the Craigslist thing misunderstandable. Of course, it's something, they had in common and as such, a common denominator. But like you, I have doubts, it's the only one and even more doubts, it is THE common denominator leading to the killer.
Now, you found already a probable other option for a denominator worth looking into it with the Backpage and Utopia guide. My approach is a little different here. Melissa Barthelmy deposited money later in the night, she disappeared. That means, she had already finished her business with the client. But then, since this was unpredictable, the killer must have stalked her. Otherwise, he couldn't have known, she would be there at this time in the first place. There are more details and in fact too many to list them all in one post. I have them on my website which I can't link due to forums rules. But if you are interested, you can just google my name and find my wife and me on the internet.
However, I think, he knew and stalked his victims, you point out that guides. It can well be we are both right, because that isn't mutual exclusive, isn't it? Of course, we can be both wrong as well ... question is, how can we prove it?

Both MBB and MW lived out of state and travelled to NY for "business" trips.

MW had travelled from ME to NY with her boyfriend, and disappeared from the Express Holiday Inn in Hauppague. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20008173-504083.html

MBB left CT for a trip to NY on July 7, 2007. She last spoke to friends via telephone from the New York Port Authority Bus Terminal, saying she had been robbed and was returning home to CT. http://www.norwichbulletin.com/caro...ikely-a-victim-of-serial-killer#axzz1KwExs6K9

As for the Backpage/Utopia Guide/ Craigslist...I believe they are all common denominators. Craigslist is the broader spotlight which shines on possible victims, Backpage/Utopia Guide narrows the search down to girls who would be travelling to the area where our SK operates and feels at home. In other words, I don't believe he hunts girls randomly on CL. He looks for girls who are about to fly into his web. And I believe his does this through Backpage/UtopiaGuide or some similar local hobbyist site.
 
@Mountain_Kat:
MW had traveled THAT TIME with her "boyfriend" to LI and disappeared from the Holiday Inn in Hauppauge. THAT TIME ... The point here is, she was already since some time in the business, LI is seasonal business. So, is it credible to claim, she ALWAYS went from her customers home to ME? Lets see, her standard was to drive what, three hours is the traffic was bad, to the customer, spend then there often till early morning, and drove back how many hours in the beginning morning rush hour? Every time? No, of course not. She would have found herself a little place to crash after she is back. Either in her name or the name of her "boyfriend".

MBB went from Norwich to NY. The article you linked, doesn't contain the being robbed story, but I have seen it before in other articles. But again, that was THAT one day. Everybody assumes, MBB went to NY to meet immediately with a John on LI. But there is no evidence for that in the first place. And I doubt, prostitution is a worthwhile business when the prostitute just darts into the city where the customers are two or three times a months. And it would only lead to no shows because of the unpredictable traffic, thus be counter productive. The prostitute has to make sure, she is at the made out time at the John, or her business goes down the gutter. And that, seen over the whole time, brings MBB in the same situation as MW.
 
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