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Old 12-16-2011, 12:53 PM
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I am glad that the Zahau attorneys also want to investigate max's accident if they are able to get into the mansion because I feel as though that will lead to some answers in Rebecca's murder. Early on, I believe it was stated that js was jogging to the gym the morning of max's accident. I wonder if this was his usual routine? Although I feel like Rebecca had nothing to do with max's fall, there were a few different versions of what happened that Rebecca had apparently told different people....ie, max saying "ocean" when the dr's said it was most likely impossible for him to have said anything, and what she supposedly told nr about max having cardiac arrest on the stairs and collapsing. I wonder if she was told to say these things to cover up what might have really happened. Although I really believe that what happened to the little boy must've been a terrible accident. Jmo.
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Old 12-16-2011, 12:57 PM
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Yes, Brit, that gives new meaning to the phrase "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" except 'ladies' wouldn't say the crap they do.
There are really hateful things that are posted on that site. Seems very personal and full of rage and hate. It's really creepy and bizaare to think of someone spending so much time and energy on that.
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Old 12-16-2011, 08:14 PM
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Hi, time! High time! Sorry.

Hi, Brit! Welcome to Rebecca's forum!

I tend to agree with you, time, that Jonah didn't "murder" Rebecca. I doubt he's the kind of guy who handles his personal affairs so directly. He seems like more of a director to me (albeit a passive/aggressive one) He won't be run by his passions (pft... ) <strike that> feelings the same way he wouldn't follow another person's lead: no control. He controls (things/people/business) because the people he surrounds himself with give it to him. He doesn't project a hands-on sort of personal strength, to me.

I think Jonah is the kind of man who manipulates. Who stirs pots. Who whispers and infers and expects, but never actually asks anything of anybody, for any reason. You should know/do/be/say (whatever it is). If you loved him (he believes) you wouldn't have to be told (whatever). You'd just know, do, and be that. If you don't, fine. You're done. I think Jonah bestows his favor upon what pleases him as easily as he withholds it from what doesn't, probably without uttering so much as a syllable. And, I think the people in his life think he really is "all that", because he wouldn't have it any other way.

But that's just my take on Jonah. MOO. I've never met the man, don't know any zillionaires, and don't do facial injections of any shape, color or flavor.

HAving said all that, I believe Rebecca died because she knew this man. He owns some responsibility for both deaths, no matter how they came about; he should have assured their safety in his home. I'm fuzzy as to what else I think he's guilty of, but I do think he must be. I'm sorry his son died, but I just don't trust him.
I get a different sense, both that he is incredibly controlling but when he snaps, his rage knows no boundaries. This is why he has a domestic violence history with multiple women. He hasn't been able to keep it in check before. Since he doesn't seem to have had any court-ordered therapy, there's no reason to think this relationship was different.
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Old 12-16-2011, 11:14 PM
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If so, I would hope that Rebecca's sister is guarded closely. Because IMO she would be in danger too.
Did you know that JS regularly was texting XZ after her sisters death? This information came from the family. When they asked, then later told JS to stop texting XZ, he just continued on. How sick, controlling and weird is that?

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Agreed! With everything you both said! I don't think JS would dirty his hands in this fashion. BUT he had to know how pi$$ed off other people were. I think his major failure in both Max and Rebecca's deaths was failing to PROTECT both of them from clearly foreseeable (but very different) circumstances. But once the deeds were done, what is the point of exposing himself further? Won't bring either of them back and will expose ALOT more dirty laundry to tell what he knows and bring the killer/s to 'justice'. So much dirty laundry it might even tank his already teetering business - certainly don't want that to happen. Better to just play along and act outraged at the injustice - IMO of course. Couldn't guess that all these rag-tag citizens would be outraged over the treatment of 'a girl'......

FWIW, I really don't think AS was involved past finding her. I think he flunked the LDT because he knew (or suspected) who was responsible. I imagine him - pipes cleaned, still fuzzy from sleeping pills (for all we know this is his usual routine) and coffeeless when BAM - there she is. He may sleep soundly enough not to hear a freight train passing and slept through the murder but was forced to make several decisions and perform several actions while still half asleep once he found her. I think that MIGHT account for the strange 911 call. If he has a 'problem' I imagine that was well known within the family which would have made him a perfect patsy. IMO.
So, just curious, but who in the heck was accessing porn on the computers in the mansion, after Rebecca died? Remember that unlocked door? How do we know AS actually took sleeping pills regularly, or did that night? Because he stated he did? Sorry, not nearly enough proof for me. I think AS is up to his eyeballs in this mess, if for no other reason than JS has been allowed to be arrogant, demanding and 'overly persuasive' when it comes to having things 'his way'. And WHERE is Adam bye the way?

IWK, you know I admire your brilliance, I just can't comprehend AS or JS being totally innocent or unknowing concerning the murder, prior to the incident.

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I get a different sense, both that he is incredibly controlling but when he snaps, his rage knows no boundaries. This is why he has a domestic violence history with multiple women. He hasn't been able to keep it in check before. Since he doesn't seem to have had any court-ordered therapy, there's no reason to think this relationship was different.
Bingo!! That and the fact that his brother AS felt it was important to lie to his landlord as to his whereabouts, prior to leaving for Coronado.
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Did you know that JS regularly was texting XZ after her sisters death? This information came from the family. When they asked, then later told JS to stop texting XZ, he just continued on. How sick, controlling and weird is that?

What in the world? That thought just came to mind yesterday. Wondering how JS responded to XZ at the funeral.

So, just curious, but who in the heck was accessing porn on the computers in the mansion, after Rebecca died? Remember that unlocked door? How do we know AS actually took sleeping pills regularly, or did that night? Because he stated he did? Sorry, not nearly enough proof for me. I think AS is up to his eyeballs in this mess, if for no other reason than JS has been allowed to be arrogant, demanding and 'overly persuasive' when it comes to having things 'his way'. And WHERE is Adam bye the way?

For me all the evidence points to JS & AS. They had huge motive and opportunity. His porn response to LE was shocking. Why say that unless you are unbalanced, never slept and you know your DNA will need to be explained?

IWK, you know I admire your brilliance, I just can't comprehend AS or JS being totally innocent or unknowing concerning the murder, prior to the incident.


Bingo!! That and the fact that his brother AS felt it was important to lie to his landlord as to his whereabouts, prior to leaving for Coronado.
That was weird. Why lie? A family emergency is the normal response.

I want to add that the getting rid of the dog was about hate for the dog. I think MS was using his razor upstairs and tripped over the railing because of the dog. That is why RZ said bedroom. She thought he was in his bedroom when she went to the bathroom. That is why RZ said the last thing he said was Ocean. He yelled the dog's name as he fell because the dog tripped him up. IMO that is why Ocean was sent to the dog kennell and then suddenly retrieved... another PR move. I wonder WHERE that dog is. When JS learned from the doctor tuesday night his son would never walk or talk again he went home for answers and lost it. He has a history of violence with his ex's. We see evidence from Dr. CW that she could have been strangled prior to the hanging..... it all fits together tragically. That is my opinion on this.
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Old 12-17-2011, 12:38 PM
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This seems like the most plausible scenario to me too.

It's typical of controlling men that all their anger gets displaced outwards. First, someone has to be to blame - accidents don't happen. Second, it can't possibly be THEM to blame. It can't be that they bought a mansion with a dangerous staircase, then a razor, then allowed their darling son to play with it in the house. Presumably, if RZ had tried to put limits on MS's behavior, she would have been seen as a witch who didn't want the child to have any fun. But even the dog and the razor are beside the point because it was MS' decision to set up all these conditions - but some magic fairy should have prevented them all from colliding.
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Eileen_dover on hinky posted a great theory about what could have happened the morning of maxs accident. Thought it was a great theory and wanted to share it.
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Old 12-17-2011, 04:09 PM
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Eileen_dover on hinky posted a great theory about what could have happened the morning of maxs accident. Thought it was a great theory and wanted to share it.
Thanks for sharing her theory. The theory has been kicked around in various forms here, too. In conjunction with her subsequent post about the sudden gym closing it takes on a new meaning. There was always the possibility that JS took the kids and got the hello out of Dodge that morning before EMS was called, but I think it was stated that it took 30 minutes for paramedics to establish a heartbeat and regular breathing for Max--though that does seem like an awfully long time, and points to the extent of his injuries.

Was it just a coincidence or was the gym closing somehow related? She makes a good point.

Sorry that I've been missing in action, we just got back from my daughter's graduation and sight seeing in Australia.
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Yes, Brit, that gives new meaning to the phrase "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" except 'ladies' wouldn't say the crap they do.
I had seen her links posted earlier on in Patch comments but would not visit the site. Too many complaints about tracking and other weirdness.
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Did you know that JS regularly was texting XZ after her sisters death? This information came from the family. When they asked, then later told JS to stop texting XZ, he just continued on. How sick, controlling and weird is that?
EW, No, I didn't! Just wrong on so many levels...grrrrrr. I hope she is receiving counseling.

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So, just curious, but who in the heck was accessing porn on the computers in the mansion, after Rebecca died? Remember that unlocked door? How do we know AS actually took sleeping pills regularly, or did that night? Because he stated he did? Sorry, not nearly enough proof for me. I think AS is up to his eyeballs in this mess, if for no other reason than JS has been allowed to be arrogant, demanding and 'overly persuasive' when it comes to having things 'his way'. And WHERE is Adam bye the way?

IWK, you know I admire your brilliance, I just can't comprehend AS or JS being totally innocent or unknowing concerning the murder, prior to the incident.
Same here, it was not for nothing that he was JS' only sibling there.


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Bingo!! That and the fact that his brother AS felt it was important to lie to his landlord as to his whereabouts, prior to leaving for Coronado.
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Wouldn't it be helpful to anyone following these threads to point out where someone has done this? It all seems like speculation to me, including my own posts, which simply offer opinions based on reported news. But perhaps there are phrases that cross the line that we can all avoid, if we know what they are.
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Thanks for sharing her theory. The theory has been kicked around in various forms here, too. In conjunction with her subsequent post about the sudden gym closing it takes on a new meaning. There was always the possibility that JS took the kids and got the hello out of Dodge that morning before EMS was called, but I think it was stated that it took 30 minutes for paramedics to establish a heartbeat and regular breathing for Max--though that does seem like an awfully long time, and points to the extent of his injuries.

Was it just a coincidence or was the gym closing somehow related? She makes a good point.

Sorry that I've been missing in action, we just got back from my daughter's graduation and sight seeing in Australia.
First off, I hope you had a wonderful time in Australia and congratulations to your daughter!!

You know, there are many, MANY people involved in Rebecca's death, that have the potential to have their lives altered, based upon what they did, do, said, say, etc.

I think, going back to square one, could help us all get a handle on what the truth is and who may be telling the truth!

As for when the older Shacknai children left Coronado, or at least the mansion, a friend of the oldest child, the daughter, stated to news reporters, VERY early in the case, that the daughter left in a taxi, shortly prior to ems arriving. This is a friend of GS, who attends school with her, was in Coronado with his family, on vacation. He knows GS, is friends with other friends of GS and imho, has NO reason to lie. This statement was made prior to all the hoopla surrounding this case.

There is also the point that many would have us ignore. Who was the person who shuttled everyone and made sure they got to or where they needed/wanted to be? Rebecca picked up Nina, picked up HL, picked up Adam, dropped off HL. In her day planner, on her phone, she had the note that the older Shacknai childrens flight, was at one pm. How would Rebecca have gotten that so very wrong?

Even if the older Shacknai children were at the house, it doesn't mean that they had anything to do with the accident Max had. So, why all the subterfuge? This case is truly bizarre. It just keeps on getting stranger.
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Eileen_dover on hinky posted a great theory about what could have happened the morning of maxs accident. Thought it was a great theory and wanted to share it.
I don't believe that 30 minutes without oxygen was prior to paramedics arriving. Rather it appears to be total time without oxygen. Even after paramedics arrived they couldn't start his heart for quite some time. And I also don't believe that it was simply a lack of oxygen that killed him. He had extensive spinal cord damage. I am not sure that kind of damage is compatible with life.
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As for when the older Shacknai children left Coronado, or at least the mansion, a friend of the oldest child, the daughter, stated to news reporters, VERY early in the case, that the daughter left in a taxi, shortly prior to ems arriving. This is a friend of GS, who attends school with her, was in Coronado with his family, on vacation. He knows GS, is friends with other friends of GS and imho, has NO reason to lie. This statement was made prior to all the hoopla surrounding this case.

There is also the point that many would have us ignore. Who was the person who shuttled everyone and made sure they got to or where they needed/wanted to be? Rebecca picked up Nina, picked up HL, picked up Adam, dropped off HL. In her day planner, on her phone, she had the note that the older Shacknai childrens flight, was at one pm. How would Rebecca have gotten that so very wrong?

Even if the older Shacknai children were at the house, it doesn't mean that they had anything to do with the accident Max had. So, why all the subterfuge? This case is truly bizarre. It just keeps on getting stranger.
--he didn't say how she left, or when.


--just that it was sometime before emergency crews arrived responding to maxie's fall. ( they could have had an 8 a.m. flight for all we know..)

http://www.azcentral.com/business/ar...o-mystery.html
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Prchal said he is friends with Shacknai's eldest daughter, 14-year-old GS. He said he has talked with her several times since the death at her father's home, mostly to make sure she is OK.

Prchal said GS has not talked a lot about Zahau's death or the injury to her 6-year-old brother. "It's kind of intimate," he said. "She doesn't want to talk about them."

GS was in Coronado until Monday morning, when she returned to her South Carolina home, Prchal said. She was gone by the time emergency crews responded to calls that her brother had fallen near the mansion's grand interior staircase.
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--he didn't say how she left, or when.


--just that it was sometime before emergency crews arrived responding to maxie's fall. ( they could have had an 8 a.m. flight for all we know..)

http://www.azcentral.com/business/ar...o-mystery.html
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Prchal said he is friends with Shacknai's eldest daughter, 14-year-old GS. He said he has talked with her several times since the death at her father's home, mostly to make sure she is OK.

Prchal said GS has not talked a lot about Zahau's death or the injury to her 6-year-old brother. "It's kind of intimate," he said. "She doesn't want to talk about them."

GS was in Coronado until Monday morning, when she returned to her South Carolina home, Prchal said. She was gone by the time emergency crews responded to calls that her brother had fallen near the mansion's grand interior staircase.
I find this statement confusing. If GS left very early that morning, prior to the fall, why state that she left prior to emergency crews responding instead of she left before the accident? I wish reporter elaborated on when exactly she left.
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When I follow that think, I can't find the theory that others are talking about. Maybe there was so much I missed it.

Can anyone summarize what they think is correct, and how the gym and the others leaving fits in?

If others left AFTER Max was hurt, that seems completely bizarre.
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