Possible Victim: Jessica Taylor, 20, found Manorville July 2003 & Gilgo Beach Mar 2011

but what makes you think he doesn't do a little of both? maybe he started off on the streets, and now he uses the internet.

Profilers portray this guy as a careful planner, an organized killer. Street walkers are much riskier than call girls. JMO
 
Profilers portray this guy as a careful planner, an organized killer. Street walkers are much riskier than call girls. JMO

The killer may be organized, but often an individual is a combo of organized and disorganized. In addition, even an organized killer can vary his mo if the compulsion to kill comes over him at a time when only an atypical victim is available.
 
but what makes you think he doesn't do a little of both? maybe he started off on the streets, and now he uses the internet.

Agree. A considerable amount of time passed between Jessica's disappearance and the girls found in burlap. If it was a single SK, he could have refined his methods. He may have had a close call that caused him to back off for a while and plan a different strategy. During this period of time, craigslist became highly popular and throw away phone became more readily available, opening up less risky options. He may have also gotten a promotion or raise which gave him access to higher priced escorts. I realize he didn't pay the girls he killed, but he probably needed to have the $$ in case something went wrong.
 
Or if it is the same killer is it possible that he moved to some other part of the country like Florida for a few years? It is common for some to move back and forth from Florida to LI or back and forth from some other southeastern state. Or maybe the killer was in prison for a few years. Of course it may be that there are two killers and not one. But, I can't rule that out with the information we have just yet.
 
but what makes you think he doesn't do a little of both? maybe he started off on the streets, and now he uses the internet.

Exactly, Craigslist and the newer copy cat sites didn't become commonplace until about 2003/04. So prior to the availability of internet access to "dates," he may have used newspaper ads and the random street walker as opposed to taking the risk of going through an escort agency.

ETA: We have to remember that he, the Burlap killer, enjoys using phones. So, before throw away phones he probably used payphones or even a departmental access phone @ his place of work.
 
Thought I would bring this post over here as well...
I just did a search for Remy's Angels and found this site (link). Seems to have a few pitbulls around... and check out the logo...
bodhi93,

Great Link! Wow! More "coincidences" in this case. It's enough to drive you crazy!!!

OK, so Remy's Angel could be linked to a Pit Bull Breeder and JT had that tattoo on her body. Also, there was a guy from West Islip that recently went missing along with his Pit Bull on July 18, 2010.

Pit Bulls are notoriously popular with drug dealers and I think we have some drug angles in this case. I wonder if we could connect the dots and come up with a suspect.

Good find, bodhi!
 
The entire tattoo had been a winged heart with ''Remy's angel'' written inside, Lieutenant Fitzpatrick said. He described Remy as ''an acquaintance'' of Ms. Taylor, declining to provide further information. Julia C. Mead

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This article dcgrumpy posted has me thinking that the cops must have cleared this Remy guy back in 2004, which leads me to believe the partial removal of the tattoo served 2 purposed. Make ID of the victim harder and give the police a red herring.
 
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com


This article dcgrumpy posted has me thinking that the cops must have cleared this Remy guy back in 2004, which leads me to believe the partial removal of the tattoo served 2 purposed. Make ID of the victim harder and give the police a red herring.

Yep blows my theory out of the water. What other reasons could a killer have to remove tattoos? And why then would the same SK remove tattoos from one victim and not the others?
Logic tells me if they remove a tattoo to make an ID harder, then the tattoo would tie the killer to the victim. Hmmmm. I need to brain storm over tis for a bit.
 
For me this is shaping up to be two killers, the GB4 serial killer and the Manorville gang murders. Gang involved in prostitution, pit bull fighting, drugs. Killed gang members who weren't performing or whatever. Remy's Angel tattoo removed to prevent id of both victim and killer. This group also probably connected to disappearance of the guy from West Islip who went missing along with his pit bull in July 2010. He may have encountered a gang member in a park where a fight ensued. We need to sleuth Remy's Angels more.
 
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com


This article dcgrumpy posted has me thinking that the cops must have cleared this Remy guy back in 2004, which leads me to believe the partial removal of the tattoo served 2 purposed. Make ID of the victim harder and give the police a red herring.

Wonder if LE actually found Remy (as in actually interviewed him or her) or just found out who he/she was. Could he/she be one of the UID victims?
 
Wonder if LE actually found Remy (as in actually interviewed him or her) or just found out who he/she was. Could he/she be one of the UID victims?

Remy is actually the name of a dog. There is a line of Pitbulls called Remyline and they are from this dog. It looks like Remy's Angels are the girls that pose or work with the dogs for shows... Maybe Jessica worked for Remy's owner at one time... loved the dogs and the lineage so much she got a tattoo... and then had a falling out with him... There is an "off shoot" of this lineage in NY called Remyline The Firm... I would think that if they can do dna testing for dog breeds/lineage then they should be able to tell if the dogs found in Manorville came from this sire.

JMOO
 
Remy is actually the name of a dog. There is a line of Pitbulls called Remyline and they are from this dog. It looks like Remy's Angels are the girls that pose or work with the dogs for shows... Maybe Jessica worked for Remy's owner at one time... loved the dogs and the lineage so much she got a tattoo... and then had a falling out with him... There is an "off shoot" of this lineage in NY called Remyline The Firm... I would think that if they can do dna testing for dog breeds/lineage then they should be able to tell if the dogs found in Manorville came from this sire.

JMOO

What are you basing that on?

What makes you so sure that that is the same "Remy"?

LE has said that Remy was an acquaintance of hers. Plus according to the Remyline website Remy didn't sire his first puppy until 2004. Which is the year after she was killed.

ETA
and both Remyline Kennels the Remy's Angel's from the website appear to be located in CA
 
What are you basing that on?

What makes you so sure that that is the same "Remy"?

LE has said that Remy was an acquaintance of hers. Plus according to the Remyline website Remy didn't sire his first puppy until 2004. Which is the year after she was killed.

ETA
and both Remyline Kennels the Remy's Angel's from the website appear to be located in CA

No, I'm not sure that it's the same Remy... I'm just putting out possibilities.

Yes, from my research Remy and his owners live in CA. And, as I said, there is an "off shoot" in the state of New York... I'm sure it was the Bronx but can't find the link at the moment. Here is the link to his website. I'm not saying that any of the companies I've mentioned have anything to do with this. I just find that their Angels logo, their name and the fact that there were Pitbull bodies found in the area where Jessica was found is a little too much of a coincidence for me. It may be nothing, but I think it's worth looking into. Besides, when has LE been perfectly honest with the media, and the media reported it absolutely correct?

Also, just because Remy didn't sire his first puppy until 2004 doesn't mean that it wasn't in the works from the day that dog was born. It looks like he had a really good lineage and was probably purchased with breeding in mind.

btw... I'm basing this on the research I've done looking into the various lineages of pitbulls. The dogs, their owners... to see if I can find a connection with anything we know about this case...
 
Sorry it sounded like you were stating a fact instead of an opinion.

I just don't see any connection at all. It really seems like a stretch to me

AFAIK there has never been any mention of her and pitbulls.

She had a Remy tattoo, 6 years after she was killed some dead pitbulls were dumped in the same town, and there is a pitbull in CA with the name Remy

Maybe it seems strange to because I've live on LI most of my life. But whenever there is any type of news story on LI people try to connect it to the SK case. Dead maid killed by her bf, house exploding from a gas leak, home invasions....
 
Yep blows my theory out of the water. What other reasons could a killer have to remove tattoos? And why then would the same SK remove tattoos from one victim and not the others?
Logic tells me if they remove a tattoo to make an ID harder, then the tattoo would tie the killer to the victim. Hmmmm. I need to brain storm over tis for a bit.

Jealousy
Viciousness
Someone who did him wrong had tattoos
 
Sorry it sounded like you were stating a fact instead of an opinion.

I just don't see any connection at all. It really seems like a stretch to me

AFAIK there has never been any mention of her and pitbulls.

She had a Remy tattoo, 6 years after she was killed some dead pitbulls were dumped in the same town, and there is a pitbull in CA with the name Remy

Maybe it seems strange to because I've live on LI most of my life. But whenever there is any type of news story on LI people try to connect it to the SK case. Dead maid killed by her bf, house exploding from a gas leak, home invasions....

The "dead maid" was shot in the head in the middle of LI and she worked at a MOTEL that has been cited as a place to get escorts, meet call girls and get HJs and BJs. Her supposed BF was 38 and has a warrant out on him from Virginia and she was 62 years old. The BF could have been involved in shady aspects of business at the MOTEL and she could very easily have been a witness to something that she was not meant to see. Her BF might be innocent of killing her.
 
Has anyone read the official COD for JT or the UID? It would be a good to know fact.
 
I am starting to try and find info on this poor young girl. Has anyone found an obituary? I am guessing from conflicting reports of her dob either 1983/1986. It is so sad she has no one to speak for her. I also read she was from a small town Upstate,NY.
Thanks
 
For me this is shaping up to be two killers, the GB4 serial killer and the Manorville gang murders. Gang involved in prostitution, pit bull fighting, drugs. Killed gang members who weren't performing or whatever. Remy's Angel tattoo removed to prevent id of both victim and killer. This group also probably connected to disappearance of the guy from West Islip who went missing along with his pit bull in July 2010. He may have encountered a gang member in a park where a fight ensued. We need to sleuth Remy's Angels more.

EXACTLY how I have it figured, Redbird.
 

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