Max's Search Warrants Released!!!! Discuss Max's Death here #2

[Brit]

Originally Posted by time

Thanks to both of you...

Ugh... I must have misunderstood the timing when I was rapidly catching up. I just can't fathom being away from the hospital for 12 hours that day... much more than is needed for some sleep and driving time. Lots of planning time wonder if other doctors were called that day to come up with the suffocation thing?

So Nina is with Dina on Tues until 6pm? Dina returns to hospital. What about between 6pm and 10:41 for Nina, or 8-10pm? I don't know, this all sounds too suspect to me, easy set-up of alibi, planning time before.

So, Jonah had already been at the hospital on Tues for 12-13 hrs . Jonah, Adam, Rebecca take Howard to the airport, then eat dinner. Adam and Rebecca leave or are back home by 8pm? Where was Jonah between 8-
10pm? Jonah doesn't return to the hospital until 10 p.m. Then supposedly leaves at 1am? (source) The man has been there or somewhere since 6am the previous morning!?

I always thought that after they had dinner that Rebecca left Jonah at the hospital. This is interesting that he did not return to the hospital until 10. You would think that if he wasn't at the hospital, he would be with his brother who just flew in from out of state. Is it listed anywhere about his whereabouts at that time?

I wonder if he could have gone back to the house to see Rebecca during this time?

[time]

Originally Posted by Brit

I always thought that after they had dinner that Rebecca left Jonah at the hospital. This is interesting that he did not return to the hospital until 10. You would think that if he wasn't at the hospital, he would be with his brother who just flew in from out of state. Is it listed anywhere about his whereabouts at that time?

I wonder if he could have gone back to the house to see Rebecca during this time?

I thought the same thing, that he went back to the hospital. Maybe I missed something, but I haven't seen where he was between 8-10 pm.

Nothing perhaps, but I do note that the call from Nina was not long after Jonah got back tot he hospital (and didn't Nina also claim it was earlier than 10:41pm?).

[time]

Originally Posted by Brit

So max has his fall and is rushed to the hospital around 10am. And Dina does not get to the hospital until 2pm? Does anyone remember reading that they were trying repeatedly to get in touch with her on the day of the accident and was having trouble reaching her? I think I read that in either an article or max's ar, but don't remember exactly.

I don't know about anyone else, but anytime I leave my kids, whether it be a babysitter or even at school, I always make sure I have my cell with me and that I am reachable, just in case there is an emergency or they get sick.

So why did it take so long to reach her? And why did it take her so long to get to the hospital?

Was some of that in the radio calls posted on here earlier?

[Mrs. Holmes]

What if...

What if both MS and RZ's little sister were both hanging off the chandelier? The sister crashes to the second landing but MS lands on the cement covered with carpet first floor?

It would explain the sister's injuries and why she didn't go to the hospital? To cover the fact she was involved and may have instigated the crazy stunt.

Sure would like to know what kind of movies etc. these kids were watching that week.

[arielilane]

Did Max pass out and that is what caused the fall? It's possible that because of a heart condition, even though it was not reflected in the autopsy that may be Max's fall the day of the accident is because he passed out?

In Max's autopsy it states a murmur was detected in May 2011. Bolded by me (BBM).

Respectfully snipped from Max's autopsy:

Second paragraph/page 3:
He had an unremarkable medical history, until a recent appointment with his primary care physician showed a murmur and follow-up was recommended.
He had no significant medical history, although a II/IV systolic heart murmur was detected in May 26, 2011. He had been referred to pediatric cardiology, but had not had that appointment.

Autopsy (page 13) Heart (25 sections): Multiple sections of myocardium, including right and left ventricle show no inflammation or fibrosis There are scattered isolated hypereosinophilic apparently necrotic myocytes in the left ventricle, often in the epicardial region. One section of the right ventricle has an area of contraction band necrosis (this is at the edge of one of the sections). Sections of the sinoatrial node, nodal artery, atrioventricular node, and bundle of his reveal no abnormalities.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...MzE5OTVl&hl=en

[arielilane]

The heart

[dovebar]

Fascinating that these extraordinarily wealthy parents learned their son had a heart murmur - and he still hadn't had the follow-up appointment. Surely they had the money and connections to get him seen by a specialist anywhere almost immediately.

The fact that they accused RZ of negligence sure seems like sheer projection.

Also interesting that JS moved his company to build on a native reservation, which would have presented tax advantages. I wonder what the legal implications would be, if he was found to be doing anything illegal. Reservations have their own cops and own legal systems, to some extent, IIRC.

[dovebar]

Originally Posted by Brit

Living in a resort area near the beach I would imagine that people might think that the yell came from there.....maybe a few college kids partying on the beach. Also, with the reports of the loud music and neighbors thinking a party was going on, I don't find it strange at all. After the fact it probably clicked for them. My neighbor went away just last weekend, and their teenage kids were having a loud pool party with music, and I heard a few yells, but figured it was the kids partying. Didn't think to call the police.

Also, not for nothing, it is the le's JOB to take every report seriously, especially in a possible murder investigation. To not follow up with this, not once but TWICE is irresponsible and unprofessional. My opinion.

This is sadly true. I've also lived in this kind of area and even when you do call, cops only come a percentage of the time. You have to be witnessing an assault or something life-threatening before they will prioritize it.

This is why self-defense courses try to train women to yell, "Fire! Fire!" which is more likely to get a response from all kinds of people.

Maybe someone mentioned this upthread, but I think it's also possible that the kids were "planking" on the staircase. The railing is wide enough to make a child think they could balance there and it wouldn't be dangerous. Kids don't understand the physics of falling or the reality. Even if they think about it, it's all a cartoon to them.

Isn't it interesting that JS doesn't blame himself for buying a mansion with this kind of staircase and floor, when he could have his pick of real estate in SD?

[Quester]

Last evening, the following article was updated and re-posted.
What was updated?
Why the re-post more than three months after initial posting?
TIA

Toxicologist: Test showing tranquilizer in [s] boy’s blood likely a false positive
Posted: Sep 05, 2011 6:28 PM PDT
Updated: Dec 12, 2011 11:31 PM PST

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15398193/t...false-positive

[defense101]

Originally Posted by Quester

Last evening, the following article was updated and re-posted.
What was updated?
Why the re-post more than three months after initial posting?
TIA

Toxicologist: Test showing tranquilizer in [s] boy’s blood likely a false positive
Posted: Sep 05, 2011 6:28 PM PDT
Updated: Dec 12, 2011 11:31 PM PST

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15398193/t...false-positive

Hi Quester,
I've emailed the author of the article and asked what portion of the article was updated and why, so now I'll just wait...

[defense101]

Originally Posted by Quester

Last evening, the following article was updated and re-posted.
What was updated?
Why the re-post more than three months after initial posting?
TIA

Toxicologist: Test showing tranquilizer in [s] boy’s blood likely a false positive
Posted: Sep 05, 2011 6:28 PM PDT
Updated: Dec 12, 2011 11:31 PM PST

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15398193/t...false-positive

I received a reply back that simply stated "there was a typo in the script online that we corrected".

[Quester]

Originally Posted by defense101

I received a reply back that simply stated "there was a typo in the script online that we corrected".

Hi Defense and thanks for your efforts on this!

To use a well used word in this case: How "bizarre"!

"Typo in the script" - does that mean the programmer's code or the text of the article?

I tried to find, to no avail, a cached copy of the originally posted article. Would be interesting to compare the original to the re-posted version to see if the "typo" was in the text and, if so, what it was that would warrant a re-posting more than three months later.

Why re-post as opposed to just removing it from their website?

Does anyone have a copy of the original article that they could do a quick check for the differences? TIA

[coastal]

Originally Posted by defense101

I received a reply back that simply stated "there was a typo in the script online that we corrected".

Thank you for checking!
I find it so strange that a story can change after we've read it. I mean, I'm glad this version is correct, but I'm not sure I like that it's corrected. KWIM? It makes things too...changeable?
It's like writing in pencil.


However, since this particular "script typo" (sounds like a mistake in the code, Quester; maybe it couldn't draw the web page correctly?) repair reminds the world that there is no good reason Rebecca Zahau is dead...well done, Mr. Internet editor.

[Mrs. Holmes]

It is important to this case to know exactly where JS was at the time of his son's terrible accident. What exactly did he do that day.Can it be proven he really was at the gymn? Why did the gymn suddenly close down? No one at the gymn has come forward and said definitively that JS was actually at the gymn that morning. This man has a temper we know he has been violent with his ex-wives. He was under a great deal of stress because of the stock and accounting investigations where his company was forced to pay 7 million to investors and the accounting company was given the largest fine ever totalling 1 million.

He could have been violent with his son and RZ and her sister were scared and covering for JS. Did RZ get the dog and her sister out of the house to protect them from JS? If a man is abusive with his wives he will be abusive with his children.

This case also needs to be re-looked at in terms of how Max died and where potential suspects were before and after.


We have seen JS do a great deal of PR cover up. Including the latest "story" that he no longer owns the mansion when in truth he is still in total control of the property. This guy scares the beejeezes out of me quite frankly.

I would like to know more details on the closing of that gymn. Who owned the property the lease information etc. It is interesting to note that the timing of the gymn closing and the "fake" sale of the mansion have the same date. Coincidence?

[Wendy101]

just a question for al of you who studied Maxie's death..

is it possible, with the medical evidence supplied, that Max was hurt physically prior to falling over the railing. If he even did go over that railing...does medical proof back that uP?

I ask because at am concerned that Maxie was gone out that morning dropping off his older siblings, with his father. IIRC they left between 7-8 (not sure) .. Drove to the airport, must have taken some time, then father and son returned him, so let's say..around 9??? father takes off to the gym, & brought his cell phone, which I read somewhere in here, that he rarely had his phone at the gym.. I also read that Maxie was sent to his room when they got home to clean it...I wonder if he was sent to his room because some one knew he was hurt... 911 call made about one hour aft he returned with his father from the airport... Who sent him to his room and why? was he already hurt when he was in his room, walked out and fell?

[K_Z]

Originally Posted by Quester

Last evening, the following article was updated and re-posted.
What was updated?
Why the re-post more than three months after initial posting?
TIA

Toxicologist: Test showing tranquilizer in [s] boy’s blood likely a false positive
Posted: Sep 05, 2011 6:28 PM PDT
Updated: Dec 12, 2011 11:31 PM PST

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15398193/t...false-positive

Actually, a more accurate term would be "true positive", not "false positive". It is a simple thing to confirm that Max was given benzodiazepines at some point in his care.

Dr. Melinek confirms that he was given versed early on in his care. Benzodiazepines are commonly given to head injured patients, during intubation (to prevent BP surges that increase intracranial pressure, and prevent recall in neuro-intact patients), among other physiological beneficial effects-- including in the process of ventilator support (to prevent bucking, induce amnesia for the period of intubation, etc.) Not to mention the protective effects of benzodiazepines during acute head injury-- suppressing seizure activity, decreasing cerebral oxygen demands, etc.

It was never a surprise to me that Max had received benzos-- it was an expected and predictable part of his care, as a patient with a severe brain injury and ventilator dependent. So the term "false positive" has always been a misnomer-- it is easy to determine what benzos and narcotics (and other depressant meds) he received, and when, from his medical records. It is not a bombshell that he received these early in his care.

AND-- during the process of brain death determination, these would have been withdrawn to see if he had brain activity and respiratory effort. So "residual" effects at autopsy are to be expected. Not a "false positive", but a "true positive".

[iSleuth]

Originally Posted by Brit

So max has his fall and is rushed to the hospital around 10am. And Dina does not get to the hospital until 2pm? Does anyone remember reading that they were trying repeatedly to get in touch with her on the day of the accident and was having trouble reaching her? I think I read that in either an article or max's ar, but don't remember exactly.

I don't know about anyone else, but anytime I leave my kids, whether it be a babysitter or even at school, I always make sure I have my cell with me and that I am reachable, just in case there is an emergency or they get sick.

So why did it take so long to reach her? And why did it take her so long to get to the hospital?

Even though I can't seem to locate it - I seem to recall DRS had taken a cold pill and her phone was off. That is why they had to go to her house in person to tell her. her BF ( ?) answered the door.

I think. Many of the DS searches are taken over by recent news this week. I will keep looking for it.

[mittymick]

I remember reading very recently, Dina Romano was in bed on the third floor with ear plugs in and couldn't hear LE pounding on her door in the morning when Maxie was being transported to the hospital. She wakes up, checks her phone, sees many missed calls and texts, goes back to sleep (or whatever). Then around two in the afternoon she hears her landline ringing downstairs, runs downstairs and its JS crying telling her LE are there to drive her to Maxie. I can't remember the source, sorry.

In several of the earlier press releases yes, it was stated the boyfriend answered the door. For some reason, since then, he hasn't been mentioned even being there. I also remember the boyfriends daughter posted to some social site her father's girlfriend's son, Maxie, was in the hospital brain dead after falling from a balcony. I think.

So many times, so many stories change.

[bourne]

Originally Posted by Brit

So max has his fall and is rushed to the hospital around 10am. And Dina does not get to the hospital until 2pm? Does anyone remember reading that they were trying repeatedly to get in touch with her on the day of the accident and was having trouble reaching her? I think I read that in either an article or max's ar, but don't remember exactly.

I don't know about anyone else, but anytime I leave my kids, whether it be a babysitter or even at school, I always make sure I have my cell with me and that I am reachable, just in case there is an emergency or they get sick.

So why did it take so long to reach her? And why did it take her so long to get to the hospital?

Good question. Dina claimed she had an arrangement with Jonah regarding not allowing Rebecca and family members to be alone with Max. Yet she did not answer phone calls regarding Max's injuries all morning until 2pm. Appears Dina was not vigilant nor must not have been all that concerned about Max being alone with Rebecca and Xena. If a mother was genuinely anxious about certain people around her child, she would have a) either picked up the child from said people, or b) make sure she was readily available to respond ASAP to any indication that her child may have been hurt.

[freespeech]

Originally Posted by mittymick

I remember reading very recently, Dina Romano was in bed on the third floor with ear plugs in and couldn't hear LE pounding on her door in the morning when Maxie was being transported to the hospital. She wakes up, checks her phone, sees many missed calls and texts, goes back to sleep (or whatever). Then around two in the afternoon she hears her landline ringing downstairs, runs downstairs and its JS crying telling her LE are there to drive her to Maxie. I can't remember the source, sorry.

In several of the earlier press releases yes, it was stated the boyfriend answered the door. For some reason, since then, he hasn't been mentioned even being there. I also remember the boyfriends daughter posted to some social site her father's girlfriend's son, Maxie, was in the hospital brain dead after falling from a balcony. I think.

So many times, so many stories change.

It was in the 'Boy Interrupted' article. I found Dina's of description of that day shocking. She stated she received text messages from Jonah about the accident mid morning but did not go to the hospital until around 2 PM. I believe she stated that Jonah sent a police car to bring her to the hospital.

[Sharyne]

Originally Posted by K_Z

Actually, a more accurate term would be "true positive", not "false positive". It is a simple thing to confirm that Max was given benzodiazepines at some point in his care.

Dr. Melinek confirms that he was given versed early on in his care. Benzodiazepines are commonly given to head injured patients, during intubation (to prevent BP surges that increase intracranial pressure, and prevent recall in neuro-intact patients), among other physiological beneficial effects-- including in the process of ventilator support (to prevent bucking, induce amnesia for the period of intubation, etc.) Not to mention the protective effects of benzodiazepines during acute head injury-- suppressing seizure activity, decreasing cerebral oxygen demands, etc.

It was never a surprise to me that Max had received benzos-- it was an expected and predictable part of his care, as a patient with a severe brain injury and ventilator dependent. So the term "false positive" has always been a misnomer-- it is easy to determine what benzos and narcotics (and other depressant meds) he received, and when, from his medical records. It is not a bombshell that he received these early in his care.

AND-- during the process of brain death determination, these would have been withdrawn to see if he had brain activity and respiratory effort. So "residual" effects at autopsy are to be expected. Not a "false positive", but a "true positive".

Welcome back! And thank you for explaining that. I just have one question. Is the phrase "false positive" accurately used in some results of some kind? TIA

[CuriousGeorgia]

Originally Posted by freespeech

It was in the 'Boy Interrupted' article. I found Dina's of description of that day shocking. She stated she received text messages from Jonah about the accident mid morning but did not go to the hospital until around 2 PM. I believe she stated that Jonah sent a police car to bring her to the hospital.

What the article says is, "Dina was fighting off the last remnants of bronchial infection on the morning of Monday, July 11, and had turned off her cell phone to ensure a good night's sleep. A string of alarming text messages greeted her when she powered up her phone that morning. Her blood ran cold as her eyes ingested ominous work like "fall", "ambulance", and hospital." The land-line phone rang, and she bounded down the stairs to answer it. Jonah was on the line, telling her a police car was on its way to take her to the hospital".

page 129

Nor does it say that she went back to sleep.

[CuriousGeorgia]

Originally Posted by Brit

I always thought that after they had dinner that Rebecca left Jonah at the hospital. This is interesting that he did not return to the hospital until 10. You would think that if he wasn't at the hospital, he would be with his brother who just flew in from out of state. Is it listed anywhere about his whereabouts at that time?

I wonder if he could have gone back to the house to see Rebecca during this time?

Nina says in her interview that Jonah was at the hospital room that Tuesday at 8 pm.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/e...mansion-deaths.

[mittymick]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorgia

Nina says in her interview that Jonah was at the hospital room that Tuesday at 8 pm.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/e...mansion-deaths.

The link provided says no such thing.

[CuriousGeorgia]

Originally Posted by mittymick

The link provided says no such thing.

You have to listen to Nina's recorded interview on the Audio clip at approximately 58:40, it is not in the article - but she clearly says that Jonah was there at 8 "on the dot".