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Here's a case archive from day 1 to now. Access the 2 sub-albums from this link also.
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Holly Jenkins helped in the search for Hailey Dunn. Her heart dropped when she heard that human remains were found.
“I wanted to see for myself why I didn't come here,” Jenkins said. “I’m looking at it right now knowing that something was found there. I would still say I could not go over there and I can't go in private property over a fence. Searchers wouldn't have been able to go over there.”
http://www.myfoxlubbock.com/mostpopu...sQjC_U7Vg.cspx
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I'm still trying to understand where the remains were found and I apologize for asking questions that may have been answered. I've been going back and forth from this forum to Tori Stafford's forum.
My understanding is this was a limestone factory (??) area. Searchers weren't able to get in because it was private property and it was fenced in. Were there cameras anywhere? Security? Can people just go in and out of that place without being noticed? How did the perp get through? Assuming the perp is SA and the theory is he did it that morning, how did he do it without being noticed?
TIA to anyone who could shed some light.
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03-22-2012, 07:08 AM
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What time was that alleged text message sent to her friend? I don't recall.
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03-22-2012, 07:18 AM
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It was said that the company that was using/leasing it in 2010 and 2011 didn't lock the gates. I imagine he did this under the cover of dark.
What kind of business was SA working for at the time? I know he quit the day Hailey vanished but I can't recall if he had a company truck available to him.
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03-22-2012, 07:26 AM
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SA was working for a oil company and did not have a company truck
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03-22-2012, 07:39 AM
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I believe this about as much as I believe that I can sprout wings and fly (from Knox's link above)...
Both attorneys confirmed Dunn and Adkins have been living in the Austin area. Young stressed although the two are in a relationship, he said they are not living together.
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These attorneys have no clue, Young has not called Billie in months how would he know! BD/SA have been living together this entire time
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03-22-2012, 07:55 AM
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These attorneys have no clue, Young has not called Billie in months how would he know! BD/SA have been living together this entire time
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Thanks for clarifying Carrie. I remember Billie mentioning that on the Websleuths talk show.
Nice to see you albeit under these sad circumstances.
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03-22-2012, 07:55 AM
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i havent read about Hailey for a long time, but have caught up because of the remains found.
I am so shocked and horrified that her mother is still with the prime suspect. I am sorry but if my boyfriend was suspected of hurting one of my sons I would have hit his kneecaps hard with a steel pole to get the truth, let alone what I would have done to the further up part of his body!!
What is wrong with these women, are they that desperate to have a man in their life???
I think Billie was probably quite good looking in her time and was jealous of her daughters youthful look and beauty and the looks this scum was giving Hailey, which is why she is still with him.
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03-22-2012, 07:58 AM
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That's true. I actually heard a story about a private search team almost getting arrested for trespassing in another case years ago.
Tell you what, if it was my property and someone wanted to search for a missing person - especially a child - I'd give them the keys to the kingdom in a heartbeat!
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BBM - Me too Kimster, as much as I would hate to, I would have to help them search, I couldn't sleep knowing a child might be there.
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03-22-2012, 08:01 AM
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These attorneys have no clue, Young has not called Billie in months how would he know! BD/SA have been living together this entire time
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Mr. Young did not say that they haven't been living together; he said that they are not {now} living together. I take this to mean that something may have changed in the last few days and now that they are in Colorado City, they are not "living together". I think that Billy does not plan to take SA back to Austin with her. I think she left him at his mother's house.
SA doesn't even have a job in Austin that I know of. He quit his last job the day Hailey disappeared, so he can't get unempolyment.
I think that Billy is tired of supporting him financially, and it's about time. I hope they arrest him before she gets a chance to break down and take him back!
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03-22-2012, 08:08 AM
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WARNING: May cause nightmares, vomiting or the need for an immediate shower! 
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CQELUnCfhO...hawnadkins.jpg
That picture is Shawn Adkins himself... in the flesh.
No pun intended...
And it's early morning here too... but I haven't been to bed. 
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Someone on NG tonight had a good answer for your type of question. NG asked why does the perp return to the site and/or put the body in a familiar place. And part of the answer the expert gave (sorry I can't remember exact name) was that part of the sociopath behavior is not thinking through the finishing of the crime, the after plan so to speak. I can quote she said "they are not planners". The sociopath will do the crime, dump the body and then use lies to try to work themselves out of the situation.
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03-22-2012, 08:10 AM
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She'd feel sick even if she was not an innocent party in Hailey's demise. And I truly think that she was involved.
Time is running out. To be a fly on the wall to see the reactions of SA and BD when they heard news that Hailey may be found.
This case has haunted me since Hailey went missing and after all this time, I didn't think Hailey would be found. It's bittersweet....such sad emotions to know that Hailey is truly deceased but happy that justice may be served afterall.
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i havent read about Hailey for a long time, but have caught up because of the remains found.
I am so shocked and horrified that her mother is still with the prime suspect. I am sorry but if my boyfriend was suspected of hurting one of my sons I would have hit his kneecaps hard with a steel pole to get the truth, let alone what I would have done to the further up part of his body!!
What is wrong with these women, are they that desperate to have a man in their life???
I think Billie was probably quite good looking in her time and was jealous of her daughters youthful look and beauty and the looks this scum was giving Hailey, which is why she is still with him.
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She's had some hard miles put on her, that's for sure.
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BBM
She's had some hard miles put on her, that's for sure.
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Hmmmmmm ornage suits her don't cha think?!
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it sure seems odd to me that the body was there this whole time, and they just now find it???!!!! it also seems like a strange place to hide a body and not expect it to eventually be found.
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She'd feel sick even if she was not an innocent party in Hailey's demise. And I truly think that she was involved.
Time is running out. To be a fly on the wall to see the reactions of SA and BD when they heard news that Hailey may be found.
This case has haunted me since Hailey went missing and after all this time, I didn't think Hailey would be found. It's bittersweet....such sad emotions to know that Hailey is truly deceased but happy that justice may be served afterall.
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I'm still on the fence about Billie. As for Shawn I'm leaning towards him being involved. There were way too many coincidences on the day Hailey disappeared and now the remains being found only a mile close to his mom's. He was and still is a suspect.
Yes, Billie allowed Shawn into her home with her children. Should she be just as responsible for Hailey's murder (if the remains are Hailey's) even if she was not involved. IMO, no. If she's innocent, she's a victim just like so many other parents of murdered children. She may have made some very wrong choices in her life and this one may be one she will regret for the rest of her life.
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The location of the remains renewed focus on Adkins, who during the police investigation failed to complete three lie detector tests and gave contradictory statements to police about the events leading up to Dunn's disappearance. Adkins told police he went directly from his job, in Snyder, Texas, to his mother's home in Big Spring on Monday morning, Dec. 27, around 6 a.m. He told police he was fired from his job, and then later told them he had quit. His employers denied both claims.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/hailey-dunn...1#.T2sWVsVmI9U
Same old. Nobody lies unless they have something to hide. Why would your own mother move away from the place her own daughter disappeared from? Only to continue seeing a guy who happens to be a person of interest in the case of YOUR MISSING daughter, that could have possibly done something to her? Why would you lie about quitting your job and then being fired when neither are true? why would you fail a polygraph or walk out (or whatever he did) when you have nothing to hide? Especially considering this is about a little girl that could be in serious danger and needs to be found. Rule yourself out as a suspect- camp in the police station giving them everything they need to do this.
And what do they do - move away.
Even without any physical evidence this is enough to set alarm bells ringing. Loudly.
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Mr. Young did not say that they haven't been living together; he said that they are not {now} living together. I take this to mean that something may have changed in the last few days and now that they are in Colorado City, they are not "living together". I think that Billy does not plan to take SA back to Austin with her. I think she left him at his mother's house.
SA doesn't even have a job in Austin that I know of. He quit his last job the day Hailey disappeared, so he can't get unempolyment.
I think that Billy is tired of supporting him financially, and it's about time. I hope they arrest him before she gets a chance to break down and take him back!
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Ofc..it could simply mean that Billies relations dont want Shawn staying with them. As Carrie said..Billie and Shawn have been together this whole time and was at the point of Billie being told about the remains found. I have seen/heard nothing that suggests they are no longer a couple. I personally hope they arrest him to get him away from her as i think thats the best way of breaking HIM. Billie IMO will never finish with him if its up to her.
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If Haylie was really found inside a gated company area I'd like to add a comment that any companies and sar should take into account for the future. Peggy Merrimon, missing in Lubbock, whose body was finally years later found the same way. Inside a closed gated company area. Her family searched and searched and stated that they had been right outside that area but didn't search behind the gates/fence. I really believe that LE, SAR, and all companies should check these properties when someone goes missing even if they have to hire someone to get it done. LE and SAR should try to take note of these areas and follow up with owners and never just assume that someone couldn't get inside of a closed business area to hide a body.
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Thank you. I can't remember the name of the little girl, but upon her missing LE made a list of all the places to look and what not to do also and informed everyone thru the media. But, he asked everyone to look around their properties....and the businesses as well. Employers could spare a little time to allow this to happen and depending how large the company is, how many employees would be needed to volunteer. All this could be done within 5-60 minutes, imo and a HUGE area could be covered. Sorta like implementation of a fire evacuation plan..
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The mummification thing is bugging me. Hailey went missing in dec and I even think it snowed in feb there didnt it? I know the area is dry ,but I would still find it odd that if it is Hailey her body would be in that condition. Laying out in the open. I heard lime will drawn out the fluids and dry out the body so maybe that had something to do with the location. I thought it took a dryer type of heat then texas in december. FWIW
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[Warning:graphic]I don't think Hailey was lying out there all this time. I think she was moved there at a later date, not when she went missing. IMHO If this was a 'thrill' kill for the POI[s] and was sexual, a kill and discard would be too quick. A corpse, for someone[s] of that mindset, would have a fascination that a quick discard wouldn't satisfy. IMHO
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03-22-2012, 08:33 AM
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Has anyone speculated on where the crime took place? Does everyone think it was at the house? Billie's home?
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New thread peeps. I've got to go into work and wanted to make sure we have a new thread before I get busy at work. Please read the OP. Thanks.
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ITA SmoothOperator......................
that was THE sentence that I picked out of that article. Choose to make an arrest? Why would LE have to choose anything? Makes ya wonder if SA has told his new-found attorney some things that only he (or BD) know would be found with the body and why would any defense attorney even say something like that about an arrest? Well, I would guess he might if he felt one was imminent.......................
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I'm thinking a BUS is imminent, as well. IMHO
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