At least you could EAT a chocolate teapot!
Why was Karr so important to Lacy??
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At least you could EAT a chocolate teapot!
Don't get happy yet, pilgrim. Today is a good day to die.
I don't know what the h*** you're laughing at, but then, by your own admission, you've always viewed me as an object of entertainment for you to laugh at, not unlike a circus bear, even though I've probably forgotten more about this case than most people will ever learn.
Well, I used to laugh at IDIs, too. UNTIL, that is, Casey Anthony walked away a free woman and I came to the horrible realization of just how dangerous certain IDI notions are to society.
Well, in the words of Pagliacci, "the comedy is finished."
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I'm breathless wondering just how you have knowledge of what the grand jurors struggled with, thought, or "was a huge issue for them."
In fact, I've only ever seen one grand juror speak on camera or anywhere else about what happened during the grand jury hearing. Admittedly it has been a long time since I saw that program, so is that where you're drawing your conclusion? A source would be much appreciated.
I agree the grand jury was bogus, but for an entirely different reason, which also leaves me wondering why you'd think so: clearly Hunter never meant to call a grand jury and never would have except for the governor, as you pointed out. Since it was Hunter's decision alone whether to indict anyone, which he could have done without a grand jury hearing, it's obvious to me it was a waste of time and money because Hunter obstructed LE's investigation from early on, IMO, by refusing subpoenas for the Ramsey phone records, refusing to arrest the Ramseys when they wouldn't come in for formal interviews with LE for months, and by sharing the case evidence reports with the Ramseys' lawyers--absolutely unacceptable and obstruction of justice in a child murder case which any DA would have been investigated for in any other case...but this one.
As for Thomas, he did NOTHING that Lou Smit didn't do times one hundred, but you never complain about Smit's betrayal of the DA, the case, and the murdered child, all to support the prime suspects and get his own fame and glory, IMO.
LOL!!!!
Your days are numbered kemosabi. You don't know anything of substance about this case. And you will one day wear your Clown Suit.
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Clearly you don't have a science background.
The fingernail DNA was degraded and had 1 to 3 markers at best--that's been corroborated many times by many ACTUAL scientists, including Dr. Lee, who did work on the case.
There is no way, no how, no where, that this can be a "match" to any other DNA on the planet. Not even DNA with the same marker/s. It's like having a few blond hairs on a hairbrush and saying they "match" a blond you saw on TV. Yes, it's THAT inconsequential, because DNA exists in numbers you can't fathom, and the 15 markers in a full profile are not simply the difference between the numbers 3 and 13. They're the difference in billions.
All to say if you're going to hang on to that DNA like it's the holy grail of this case, at least make your argument on the 9 markers from the panty and the full profile from the waistbands.
But you're entirely wrong that anyone is ever going to be arrested on this DNA alone. Whatever case you think you heard about, there was something more to it than skin cell DNA, like it was found in the bite marks on a murder victim, etc. DNA is also circumstantial evidence, you know, and to date in this case as far as we know it has not been linked to anyone and it can't be dated, so the explanation of how it got there is unknown, period.
How Patsy's handwriting got on her pad with her pen in her linguistic style in her home where her child with old sexual abuse injuries was found strangled with a ligature containing Patsy's clothing fibers found in Patsy's basement where the handle to the ligature was constructed from Patsy's paintbrush, all while Patsy, John, and Burke were present...well, these are the actual pieces of evidence which can be dated and traced back to the owner.
One more thing I'm going to say you won't like: nobody will ever be arrested and tried in this case, because Patsy Ramsey and her ransom note will always and forever be reasonable doubt for anyone else but her. Don't believe me: ask Mary Lacy how Karr's assigned public defender got him out of the Boulder jail within days of representing Karr, without so much as a question asked of Karr by Boulder LE about this case. An intelligent guess: Karr's lawyer explained to Lacy how many ways she would never, ever get anyone other than a Ramsey convicted with that ransom note in evidence and all the actual evidence against the Ramseys. Not even stupid Karr and his dumb confession-but-not-really.
Of course, just my opinion.
You weren't doing much laughing this afternoon.
Shall we put that to a vote? You've obviously mistaken me for one of your IDI cronies.
The only clown suit I'm going to wear is in the local talent show this fall when I perform Ridi, Pagliacci.
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You're on a public forum, so you're talking to anyone who reads. As a member it's customary and part of the discussion to respond to posts, whether directly addressed to us or not.
Whether you answer is up to you, but no need to be rude about it.
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Too late.
Just to help you along, though, when one doesn't want to respond to someone else, they just don't. Snapping their head off is actually a response which can be construed as a personal attack.
Agatha, I can't stand it when I see someone feeling left out. Perhaps if you partook of the Kool-Aid you would be well-hydrated enough so that your tinfoil antenna would keep you from receiving all that static that clutters up the air waves. :rocker:
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Interesting profile about John Karr. That guy is really something. :crazy:
Roy23 said:
Why aren't you laughing, cowboy? That was funny! Why aren't you laughing? It's me, SD. The same one you've known for a few years now. Why don't you laugh? I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
So, I don't know anything of substance about this case, huh? Well, try this on for size:
I know that when a ransom note is written using phrasing that a particular person is known for using, with implements known to be used by said person, with personal knowledge that ONLY about six people in the world knew, INSIDE said person's own HOUSE, in a hand that looks so much like said person's writing that even their own MOTHER could not tell the difference, AND said person happens to BE there when it happens, the odds that anyone else could have written it is just about ZERO.
Ah, but there I go, using common sense again. Will I ever learn? (SD hits himself with rolled-up newspaper.) "Bad dragon! Bad, bad, BAD dragon!"
But even if we accept your assertion about my case knowledge, I would think that would put me in very good company with you!
(As Capt. Spaulding): "Whatsa matter? Doncha like clowns? Don't we make ya laugh? Ain't we *advertiser censored**in' funny?!"
Let me see: according to you, I'm a snake, a clown, and a cartoon character. Now, in your grading scale, is that going UP, or going DOWN? It's hard for me to tell.
I guess I've got some laughs left in me yet!
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Well, pilgrim, if I really wanted to be a smart-*advertiser censored**, I'd remind you that, by definition, conspiracies are SECRET. Much of the problem here was there was nothing SECRET about anything the DA was trying to pull.
But to be serious, I guess you're not aware of a few facts. First and foremost, the Ramseys had MONEY, and even most IDIs know that money has a very pronounced effect on the American justice system. To say that it didn't have an effect on this case is foolish AT BEST. I suppose the fact that Jason Midyette's grandfather owned half the Pearl Street Mall had nothing to do with the shambles Mary Lacy made out of THAT case, either, right? (SARCASM)
As for the rest of the rundown:
--JR was an executive for a subsidiary of Lockheed, one of the largest and most politically powerful defense firms in the country, if not the world. Aside from their political stroke, Lockheed was a major source of jobs and revenue for the area.
--The law firm for the Ramseys was Haddon, Foreman and Morgan, one of the heaviest of the heavy hitters out there. A law firm that controlled a good part of the state and had political connections in the Democratic Party up to and including then-President Clinton. Frankly, they DID have a lot of power--more than any unelected officials should EVER have. What party did Alex Hunter and Mary Lacy belong to again?
--Alex Hunter and Bill Wise were KNOWN associates of Hal Haddon, even being business partners with them.
--The Haddon law firm was caught performing dirty tricks against potential witnesses through their connections with other DA's offices. This was revealed in open court.
--Alex Hunter's political ideology made him an enemy of the police in Boulder, going all the way back to at least 1980. Read Kirk Long's letter about him sometime.
--There are numerous reports on how the state of Colorado is ROTTEN with political corruption, both in Democratic and Republican circles.
(Did I forget anything?)
Do you understand the nature of these facts? Are you honestly trying to say that NONE of this had any bearing on why this case was handled so badly? Is that what you are saying, Mr. Ambassador?
DON'T WAIT FOR THE TRANSLATION! ANSWER ME NOW!!
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DeeDee,
Did you find anything more about the spot of possible blood you noticed on the ligature? You did an awesome job there by the way! I thought more about it and the location of that spot which looks like blood couldn't have been fluid from her mouth as it was on the left side of her neck.
The neg. shows that the ligature was cut close to the knot in the back. Great work.
It wasn't me who noticed the blood spot on the ligature, so kudos to whoever that was are in order.
You are correct about the location of the spot though. Her head was cocked to the right, and there WERE spots on her right sleeve that were described as the "tan mucus" as well as the smear on her right cheek. I believe some tan mucus was also found in her nostrils. To me, "tan mucus" means that it had some blood in it. Blood that has been exposed to oxygen would turn rusty brownish, and mixed with mucus or vomit would give the stain a tan appearance. Mucus is usually clear/white, except when infection is present, when it is green, yellow. In JB's case, the head bash could have caused seepage of some blood into her nose and mouth, and even the strangulation could have caused it. Same with the vomit.
SuperDave,
Excellent observations. A BDI and some kind of political fix or conspiracy seem more consistent than JDI or PDI.
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Yawn.
Now how did the conspiricy corrupt the US Federal Government to allow the DNA into their database under the strict CODIS requirements?
Just to keep the record straight, UKGuy, I'm not alleging any kind of conspiracy or political "fix." That's IDI's terminology, a smoke-screen to avoid discussing legitimate issues. To me, it's more a case of all the wrong elements coming together.
That said, there is ONE important thing I forgot to add to the list, and that is the Not-So-Grand Jury and Lou Smit's involvement with such, in particular. KK said it best: Lou Smit should have gone to jail for what he did in this case. Instead, he somehow blackmailed the DA's office into keeping the evidence he took illegally from the case file and go before the Grand Jury. What did he know that gave him that kind of leverage?
See, the DA's office, both under Hunter and Lacy, has consistently acted as if they were hiding something they did NOT want to get out. I liken it to Nixon's resignation over Watergate. Did he do it purely as a way to preserve some respect for himself and the office of president? Or was he afraid that an investigation into the Watergate break-in would unearth something even worse?
Oh, that's REALLY good, pilgrim. Give yourself a hard time.
Am I to assume, then, that you have nothing of substance to say?
Well, in the first place, FRIEND, as I just told UKGuy, I'm not alleging ANY conspiracy. That's YOUR way of dismissing the list of facts that I gave you. If you can't or don't want to address them, that's fine. But just say so.
BTW, was it not YOU who said, "I wonder if LE is more concerned about a lawsuit from JR than with justice for JB?" Were those not your words? Did I somehow misinterpret you?
And in the second place, I never alleged any "conspiracy" that "corrupted" the FBI into allowing the substandard DNA into their database in violation of their own standards. If you would BOTHER to READ the news articles about it at the time, then you would know that Lin Wood was making a big stink about it in the national media. Keep in mind of WHEN this happened: 2003, a time when the FBI was already under fire both by the public and by politicians for both their inability to stop the 9/11 attacks and the whole debacle with the anthrax letters. Simply put, the FBI did not NEED anymore bad publicity. And that's exactly what Lin Wood was threatening to stir up for them. Can you even IMAGINE what the reaction from both the public and the politicians would have been if the FBI had refused to accept DNA in a case as high-profile as this?
Since most people are ignorant of the many nuances of DNA, I'm sure the FBI figured it was a lot more expedient to just accept the DNA--and even then, on a renewable basis rather than a permanent one--with the justification that it MIGHT bring new leads, rather than try to explain why they refused to accept "evidence" in the most high-profile case since the Lindbergh kidnapping.
It's really not that hard to explain.
Now, I'm sure you were expecting me to claim some kind of link between JR's run for office on the Republican ticket and the White House under George W. Bush, especially since JR had publically expressed his admiration for W. Well, if that's what you're looking for, then you're out of luck.
You getting all of this, cowboy? Or am I just talking to myself?
The DNA is in CODIS because it meets the strict standards of CODIS. Any other speculation is just a conspiricy theory based on NO KNOWN facts.