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Bob Harrod has been missing since July 27, 2009.
He was last seen at his residence by his son in law sometime after 10:00 am the morning of July 27.

Bobs disappearance is being investigated as a homicide and a 50,000 dollar reward is being offered for information about his disappearance.

Authorities are asking anyone with information about Harrod's disappearance to contact detective Dave Radomski at 714-993-8176, or contact the homicide hotline at 714-993-8166.


Bobs Charley Project page:
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Thankyou for the new thread.

Just checked the coroner website and there is still no ID for the skeletal remains found.

http://www.sbcounty.gov/sheriff/coro...essrelease.asp
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Still no official ID on the remains???

No update at the coroners press release site indicating the remains have been identified.

It was last updated just prior to 4:30 am today, Saturday April 21st. The case is now # 10 at the attached link:

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Interesting that family members are excluded from claiming the reward. Now why would they do that?



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Interesting that family members are excluded from claiming the reward. Now why would they do that?



http://placentia.org/DocumentCenter/Home/View/1102
Well let's see-it might prevent family members who can be motivated by money from breaking ranks and giving information. But that is the cynical side of me.

It doesnt matter-limiting those who can collect the reward money is . Do you want the man back at all costs or dont you? I think the answer is clear.
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Interesting that family members are excluded from claiming the reward. Now why would they do that?



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So those who have information aren't motivated to come forward? Other than that, I can't think of a reasonable explaination to include such a thing if they really wanted answers. I've never seen such a thing before.

Family members or their relatives are excluded from claiming this reward.
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Interesting that family members are excluded from claiming the reward. Now why would they do that?



http://placentia.org/DocumentCenter/Home/View/1102
Also, I wouldn't say this wording below they included is accurate, as we still don't know the specifics of the "handyman jobs" performed by JeM the afternoon Bob disappeared and what if anything, JuM did when she went down the hill to "change the linens" the day after Bob disappeared.

"81 year old Bob vanished without a trace"
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Also, I wouldn't say this wording below they included is accurate, as we still don't know the specifics of the "handyman jobs" performed by JeM the afternoon Bob disappeared and what if anything, JuM did when she went down the hill to "change the linens" the day after Bob disappeared.

"81 year old Bob vanished without a trace"
He didnt vanish without a trace. I bet a man as tough as Bob left some indication behind.
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Can we take a moment to talk about the suit against the BL which the Co Conservators lost?

PB testified, and she was the only one who testified, that neither her father or the co conservators ever made a demand for repayment from BL. She opted to resist the request for the production of the yellow piece of paper where Bob kept a list of monies given to BL because it didnt state anywhere on the document that the money wasnt a gift.

Umm, ok. As a civilian and a non legal eagle, this is pretty perplexing. I mean, this has to be the definition of frivolous, or am I confused? In fact, this strikes me as a colossal waste of time and trust assets. Because you better believe that the money from this action did not come from the pockets of the co conservators.

Sooooo, I spoke with an atty a while ago regarding the civil suit. The perspective of the atty was that the co conservators were attempting to prove due diligence. That they were attempting to collect what they believed to be outstanding money owed to Bob's trust.

Monetary gifts to BL seem like small potatoes from where I am sitting, but surely the audit (if it is completely filed) will shed light on all of the markers being called in.
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So those who have information aren't motivated to come forward? Other than that, I can't think of a reasonable explaination to include such a thing if they really wanted answers. I've never seen such a thing before.

Family members or their relatives are excluded from claiming this reward.
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Robert’s son-in-law told cops that in the late morning on July 27, 2009, he had left Robert to run errands at the hardware store, and when he returned, Robert was gone.

The maid was actually sitting outside on the porch when he returned, because the house had been locked.

Placentia Police Detectives say they can’t confirm any theories of how or why Robert disappeared. The only theory they’ve ruled out is that Robert was met with foul play at the hands of a stranger.

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=67544
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Verrry interesting info in that last post. hmmm
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Originally posted by Dreamweaver:

I emailed PPD detective about time of Home Depot receipt.
I got an email today.
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The Home Depot receipt is 3:04. He went earlier to CVS pharmacy.



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Can we take a moment to talk about the suit against the BL which the Co Conservators lost?

PB testified, and she was the only one who testified, that neither her father or the co conservators ever made a demand for repayment from BL. She opted to resist the request for the production of the yellow piece of paper where Bob kept a list of monies given to BL because it didnt state anywhere on the document that the money wasnt a gift.

Umm, ok. As a civilian and a non legal eagle, this is pretty perplexing. I mean, this has to be the definition of frivolous, or am I confused? In fact, this strikes me as a colossal waste of time and trust assets. Because you better believe that the money from this action did not come from the pockets of the co conservators.

Sooooo, I spoke with an atty a while ago regarding the civil suit. The perspective of the atty was that the co conservators were attempting to prove due diligence. That they were attempting to collect what they believed to be outstanding money owed to Bob's trust.

Monetary gifts to BL seem like small potatoes from where I am sitting, but surely the audit (if it is completely filed) will shed light on all of the markers being called in.

Remind me again, the audit was originally due back in 2010, correct?
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I emailed PPD detective about time of Home Depot receipt.
I got an email today.
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The Home Depot receipt is 3:04. He went earlier to CVS pharmacy.



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Not to repeat myself but it sure seems to me that the timeline was changed to fit the Home Depot receipt.

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Daughter J states her father disappears around noon or 1 pm.

Reporter: “J says her husband was with her dad, at his home yesterday. He went to the hardware store alone. When he came back…”

J: “My dad was gone.”

Reporter: “What time?”

J: “We’re thinking maybe 1, noon?”

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July 28, 2009~~ Daughter J posted on ROTW at 1:50 pm and says that her father has been missing for about 28 hours. That would put the time of Mr. Harrod's disappearance at about 10:00 am on July 27, 2009.

http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/53721?page=0

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Robert’s son-in-law told cops that in the late morning on July 27, 2009, he had left Robert to run errands at the hardware store, and when he returned, Robert was gone.

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=67544

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Robert Harrod was last seen at his residence on July 27, 2009 at 11:00 A.M. in the city of Placentia. When a family member returned to the house at approximately 1:00 P.M., Harrod was gone.

http://placentia.org/DocumentView.aspx?DID=102

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Harrod was last seen at his residence in the 500 block of Carnation Drive Placentia, California sometime between 11:00 a.m. and 12:00 p.m. on July 27, 2009. His son-in-law went to the store and when he returned at 1:00 p.m., he found the front door locked, the housekeeper waiting on the porch, and Harrod missing.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...od_robert.html

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"He was at home and seemed in good spirits when I last spoke to him somewhere between 11 a.m. - 12pm. His son-in-law was there doing odd jobs as Dads new wife was returning from Missouri on Wed. 7/29/09. Heard son-in-law say he was going to the hardware store. When he returned the housekeeper was waiting outside and Dad was gone."

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2706/0

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JM told police that he worked at the home then went to Home Depot about 2:40 p.m. to buy supplies. When he returned about 3:30 p.m., Bob's housekeeper was sitting on the front stoop because no one had answered the door.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ppeared08.html
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What happened to Mr. Harrod on Monday July 27, 2009 is the same today, as it was the day he disappeared.

What matters is the TRUTH.

The TRUTH does not change.

We are here to discover the TRUTH surrounding the events which led to Mr. Harrod's disappearance. We will continue to seek the truth until Mr. Harrod is recovered and those responsible for his disappearance are held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

Mr. Harrod deserves no less.
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Not to repeat myself but it sure seems to me that the timeline was changed to fit the Home Depot receipt.

Some examples:
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Daughter J states her father disappears around noon or 1 pm.

Reporter: “J says her husband was with her dad, at his home yesterday. He went to the hardware store alone. When he came back…”

J: “My dad was gone.”

Reporter: “What time?”

J: “We’re thinking maybe 1, noon?”

http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/watch/...9354&src=front


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July 28, 2009~~ Daughter J posted on ROTW at 1:50 pm and says that her father has been missing for about 28 hours. That would put the time of Mr. Harrod's disappearance at about 10:00 am on July 27, 2009.

http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/53721?page=0

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Robert’s son-in-law told cops that in the late morning on July 27, 2009, he had left Robert to run errands at the hardware store, and when he returned, Robert was gone.

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=67544

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Robert Harrod was last seen at his residence on July 27, 2009 at 11:00 A.M. in the city of Placentia. When a family member returned to the house at approximately 1:00 P.M., Harrod was gone.

http://placentia.org/DocumentView.aspx?DID=102

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Harrod was last seen at his residence in the 500 block of Carnation Drive Placentia, California sometime between 11:00 a.m. and 12:00 p.m. on July 27, 2009. His son-in-law went to the store and when he returned at 1:00 p.m., he found the front door locked, the housekeeper waiting on the porch, and Harrod missing.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...od_robert.html

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"He was at home and seemed in good spirits when I last spoke to him somewhere between 11 a.m. - 12pm. His son-in-law was there doing odd jobs as Dads new wife was returning from Missouri on Wed. 7/29/09. Heard son-in-law say he was going to the hardware store. When he returned the housekeeper was waiting outside and Dad was gone."

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2706/0

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JM told police that he worked at the home then went to Home Depot about 2:40 p.m. to buy supplies. When he returned about 3:30 p.m., Bob's housekeeper was sitting on the front stoop because no one had answered the door.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ppeared08.html
Jaw Dropping. Completely jaw dropping. This post should be a sticky for this case.
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Jaw Dropping. Completely jaw dropping. This post should be a sticky for this case.
That is one of the many informative posts that could be linked in the first post of each of Bob's threads. Just an idea...maybe it already is.
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Well let's see-it might prevent family members who can be motivated by money from breaking ranks and giving information. But that is the cynical side of me.
Funny thing is, it's like a prisoner's dilemma. Whichever family member comes forward first (and it could likely be only one of three people, none of whom live in Running Springs) is probably going to be the only one to be able to collect on the family trust. The rest, one would imagine, as accessories to or participants in a murder, would be excluded. The trust funds make the reward seem paltry. So, it's really a huge gamble. Stay silent, and one risks losing it all down the road when the other shoe drops. If someone is brave and righteous enough to speak up she will reap the rewards of a substantial inheritance, be able to look herself in the mirror, and sleep better at night.
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Can we take a moment to talk about the suit against the BL which the Co Conservators lost?

PB testified, and she was the only one who testified, that neither her father or the co conservators ever made a demand for repayment from BL. She opted to resist the request for the production of the yellow piece of paper where Bob kept a list of monies given to BL because it didnt state anywhere on the document that the money wasnt a gift.

Umm, ok. As a civilian and a non legal eagle, this is pretty perplexing. I mean, this has to be the definition of frivolous, or am I confused? In fact, this strikes me as a colossal waste of time and trust assets. Because you better believe that the money from this action did not come from the pockets of the co conservators.

Sooooo, I spoke with an atty a while ago regarding the civil suit. The perspective of the atty was that the co conservators were attempting to prove due diligence. That they were attempting to collect what they believed to be outstanding money owed to Bob's trust.

Monetary gifts to BL seem like small potatoes from where I am sitting, but surely the audit (if it is completely filed) will shed light on all of the markers being called in.
Due diligence isn't exactly selective, or shouldn't be. Especially when it comes to ones legal fiduciary responsibilities. We'll see if after 2 years they can finally completely file what is required by the court for the audit. Or if this will be more of the target of a timeline, secret handy man job type scenario....




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video - daughter JuM

Daughter J states her father disappears around noon or 1 pm.

Reporter: “J says her husband was with her dad, at his home yesterday. He went to the hardware store alone. When he came back…”

J: “My dad was gone.”

Reporter: “What time?”

J: “We’re thinking maybe 1, noon?”

http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/watch/...9354&src=front

I don't have sound. Did she cut off the reporter mid sentence answering, "My dad was gone."?

It's interesting to watch daughter J's eye contact.

At one point it looks like she is looking right over the reporters right shoulder- to something behind the reporter.

And when asked about the time, she's clearly surprised by the question.
So surprised, she looks completely away, as if looking at someone straight ahead for some back up confirmation or to gain her composure, before she turns back and answers.


What date was that video from? The day Fontelle returned? Or was that the day following Bob's disappearance while she was dth 'changing the linens'?

I wonder if the reporter (or camera men) noticed if the carpet was damp? Or if it was more humid indoors than usual for a home in Placentia in late July?
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Man. That is the first time I have watched any family members talk about his disappearance on video. Wow. It is one thing to have read family member postings on IS and other places- but to put a face and a persona with the words is powerful. IMO Her expressions don't match the words coming out of her mouth.
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