POI in Lindsey's Case

[KikiWanBaniki]

Again, this may be a repeat, but just wondering...

I read somewhere here that Lindsey had been known to shoplift. I'm wondering if she may have tried it at TH's store? If so, he might have told her that he wouldn't tell anyone if she complied with???

Also, it seems like a lot of the stuff taken with the warrants indicate that *if* TH did have Lindsey, it may have been for some period of time. Toothbrushes, a pink hairbrush, the bedding--just seems like things someone would have for someone staying with them.

Hope this poor baby gets justice soon.

[JenniferO]

Originally Posted by KikiWanBaniki

Hello all, I am trying to get caught up on Lindsey's case. In reading through the threads, I noticed that in this post from 2010 kageykaren notes that a white car kept coming up from various sources throughout the investigation:

Starting over again - Brainstorm session - Page 5 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Isn't TH's car white???

Can some WSers who are more knowledgeable than I about this case weigh in with their opinions of:

1.) Was there significant/repeated mention of a white car early on in the investigation/search for Lindsey?

2.) Do you feel it will ultimately be determined that this was indeed TH's car?

3.) Do you think there's a chance it could be the same white car in the surveillance video and;

4.) If so, do you think this could indicate that more than one person was involved (I'm thinking this could explain TH's repeated glancing in that direction that cocomod mentioned upthread)? Or,

5.) Could the white car outside the convenience store have been TH's car??? (If so, thinking he could have been nervous about whatever he had in it at the time...)


Sorry for the lengthy post, and sorry also if many of my questions are irrelevant or repeats--just trying to put pieces together.

Thanks in advance for any opinions on this!

1) The only time I remember hearing about the white car was online. I (personally) never confirmed with any of Lindseys friends if there was any truth to the white car thing. Other people might have more info on this

2) Again, can't answer this.

3) I don't believe the people in the white car in the video had anything to do with Lindseys disappearance. Nor any connection to Tim. The were just customers at Mikes that night. I'm sure LE has talked to them already.

4) I believe whoever took Lindsey acted alone.

5) No, that car was not THs car.

[KikiWanBaniki]

Thanks, JennO, for clearing that up--much admiration for your hard work and dedication to Lindsey!

I have lived all over WA and one of my daghters was born in Aberdeen, so Lindsey's disppearance has been extra heartbreaking and bothersome to me, but I haven't had the opportunity to follow it as closely as I would have liked.

Trying hard to get caught up, but finding there's an amazing amount of material...

[KikiWanBaniki]

I would think a jewelry store would have at least one (if not more) surveillance cameras of its own, especially with the buzz-in door.

Does anyone (JennO? ) know if TH's store had cameras?

If he's our guy, it may fit the MO of being at the search, etc. that he might keep video from that day, rather than destroying it (you know, to prove how much smarter he is than LE, etc.) KWIM?

Just my own thoughts and all that...

[breanna]

Originally Posted by KikiWanBaniki

I would think a jewelry store would have at least one (if not more) surveillance cameras of its own, especially with the buzz-in door.

Does anyone (JennO? ) know if TH's store had cameras?

If he's our guy, it may fit the MO of being at the search, etc. that he might keep video from that day, rather than destroying it (you know, to prove how much smarter he is than LE, etc.) KWIM?

Just my own thoughts and all that...

I'm not JennO with her wealth of knowledge, but I do know she's got a major kitchen remodel going on. I'll let her know she's being asked.

But this is a good question and one I have wondered about because I don't remember anything about this. It's also entirely possible I may have forgotten this info. I'm sure she'll enlighten us in some way or another.

[JenniferO]

I've only ever been in the jewelry store once.. I have no idea if he has cameras or not.

I would think if he did LE would have taken videos from his store during their searches and I don't recall seeing any on the list.

[scandi]

Originally Posted by KikiWanBaniki

Again, this may be a repeat, but just wondering...

I read somewhere here that Lindsey had been known to shoplift. I'm wondering if she may have tried it at TH's store? If so, he might have told her that he wouldn't tell anyone if she complied with???

Also, it seems like a lot of the stuff taken with the warrants indicate that *if* TH did have Lindsey, it may have been for some period of time. Toothbrushes, a pink hairbrush, the bedding--just seems like things someone would have for someone staying with them.

Hope this poor baby gets justice soon.

Hi Kiki, That is the first thing I thought of when I heard this man was the local jeweler. I hope I am remembering this correctly, but she had been accused of taking something from the jewelry store. Please correct me if I'm wrong and I'll have the Mod delete this post.

If so it could go to motive. If he thought she had taken something it might have messed up his mind, and when and if he saw her walk by his store he might have thought he was going to grill her again and get to the truth. And maybe he was too harsh with her and she fell or hit her head and she died. I could see something like that happening, not too far fetched IMO.

What warrant? Do you mean the warrant on the home of the kid who worked at the Beehive Retirement Center? He did have a white automobile.

[cocolafay]

I don't get to read WS as much as I used to; but when I get on I always check on Lindsey since she was one of the first two cases I followed. I'm thrilled to read that there is some movement on her case. I know there are a few devoted posters that have been here from the beginnng and I thank y'all so much for keeping the case hot and those like me informed. I'm greatful. I hope this is the time for Lindsey to be found and the perp caught! (I won't get my hopes up too high although they're pretty high already.)

[KikiWanBaniki]

Originally Posted by JenniferO

I've only ever been in the jewelry store once.. I have no idea if he has cameras or not.

I would think if he did LE would have taken videos from his store during their searches and I don't recall seeing any on the list.

JennO, I did actually think of that, too , but a lot of those cameras are all digital now, and LE removed a LOT of computers, external storage devices, etc. Seems like he might be a techie, and if so, and IF the store has/d cameras, I'll bet a donut the storage is digital and not tape. (JMO and all...)

P.S. Thanks for taking the time to respond; remodeling is a major production!

[KikiWanBaniki]

Originally Posted by breanna

I'm not JennO with her wealth of knowledge, but I do know she's got a major kitchen remodel going on. I'll let her know she's being asked.

But this is a good question and one I have wondered about because I don't remember anything about this. It's also entirely possible I may have forgotten this info. I'm sure she'll enlighten us in some way or another.

Wow, Breanna! Thanks button wasn't enough!

[Etilema]

Originally Posted by katydid23

I don't know if it is the case with this guy's store, but we had a creepy store owner in my hometown, that kind of lured us kids into his jewelry store by selling toys and cheap kids watches and rings. He would put the stuff in the window and be very friendly when we came in. His store was by the school bus stop and we went there often just to pass the time while waiting.

Creepy!!

[RoseWhite]

I just read an article on Komonews.com about specific items ceased in October's search. I came here to see if it was posted already, and now I can't find the article on the news site!

[JenniferO]

Originally Posted by RoseWhite

I just read an article on Komonews.com about specific items ceased in October's search. I came here to see if it was posted already, and now I can't find the article on the news site!

I posted a complete list here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...=151940&page=4

Posts number 92 and 93 I believe.

[butterfly1978]

whatever happened with this did people just stop reporting on it? has LE said anything else about this guy??? ANYTHING?????

[SarahC]

Originally Posted by butterfly1978

whatever happened with this did people just stop reporting on it? has LE said anything else about this guy??? ANYTHING?????

LE hasn't said anything. I keep watch on local media, nothing is being said publically. No news.

Regional reporters are pretty much on standby concerning Lindsey, can tell that as soon as anything breaks they will be on top of it. They haven't dropped the ball at all, just nothing public to report at the moment.

Nothing further in news about that POI. There hasn't been anything on other POI either, no one has ever been publically described as "cleared", my guess it that type of description won't happen in the ongoing investigation.

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[JenniferO]

Originally Posted by butterfly1978

whatever happened with this did people just stop reporting on it? has LE said anything else about this guy??? ANYTHING?????

Myself and others are still very active in Lindseys case. Just nothing new for us to share at this time so we read here but rarely post.

[JustPeachy]

Originally Posted by JenniferO

Myself and others are still very active in Lindseys case. Just nothing new for us to share at this time so we read here but rarely post.

Thank you for your dedication to finding justice for Lindsey!

[Jules71]

Just thinking of Lindsey and Kyron today. They need to be found. It's been WAY TOO LONG!

[cocolafay]

Lindsey and her family are still in my thoughts and prayers. Thank all of you who work so hard to keep us informed.

[MizStery]

Originally Posted by JenniferO

Myself and others are still very active in Lindseys case. Just nothing new for us to share at this time so we read here but rarely post.

I check in knowing JenniferO will have any breaking news on Lindsey.Thanks to all the hours Websleuthers have devoted to finding Lindsey. Your the best!

[Knox]

Any word on the evidence sent to the crime lab?

[SarahC]

Originally Posted by Knox

Any word on the evidence sent to the crime lab?

Haven't seen anything in news.

[Knox]

Thinking of Lindsey today ♥

Locals, is the jewelry store still open? Has all this basically been forgotten? What are people in McCleary saying about Hartman?

[SarahC]

Jewelry store still open, looks like business active as usual.

I don't know what other locals think now, I don't know what the general talk of the town is. In the past I've heard from locals an understandable wariness about any possible suspect and a strong concern that this case be solved.

My guess is that the store search has definitely not been forgotten, I think folks are keeping a "wait and see" outlook.

[Veidt]

There's something that does not add up in his alibi. If his class was until 9 PM and in a different town he would not be taped at the store at 8:40 (or even 9:15). Unless he has a history of medical issues I find it very hard to believe that he would not remember getting off class early, dropping by the store, and stuff like that. The store was in a very relevant area too so it's not as though it just happened to be on the other side of town, iykwim?

I think it'd be helpful to know if he even went to that class at all or if he picked up the certificate and left early as someone suggested. Someone else upthread said that it would take 45m-1hr to drive back into town so unless he was speeding it's unlikely that class would finish at 8:15 and he'd be at the store 25 minutes later even if he was rushing between places. There would have been so many unusual things about that day that would certainly make it hard to forget, with Lindsey's disappearance and the daylight.

The fact that LE has never mentioned checking out the cameras in his store his weird. Most jewellers I know are security-obsessed even if they're small businesses and don't have hugely valuable pieces.

I do think that whomever did it knew who she was or seemed like a reliable person. I don't know what to think. This guy seems like a very probable suspect but it seems like nothing has linked him to Lindsey's disappearance so far. Have all the items that were taken from his house been checked out yet? A few posts ago it was mentioned that they were not conclusive enough but right before that it was said that they hadn't sent everything out into the lab so who knows.

Plus, am I the only one who thinks that keeping a duffel bag full of human hair is really weird? Like, why would you even want a bag with hair inside? This is obviously just my random thoughts and not particularly relevant.