IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #27

[Jupiter812]

Here is the website I referenced in an above post. It instructs what to do when someone ODs. I'm not posting this for debate, just found it interesting and helpful in that it offers a viable alternative to doing nothing and letting someone die in order to save one's own ass.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/3...in-progress%29

[bx2]

Originally Posted by Jupiter812

Given her size and the fact that she could fit into a garbage bag, duffel bag or similar innocuous container I doubt it would be detected and sorted out at the transfer station.

It is good to know the timing of the completed landfill search and their return tho.

Right, I'm not saying it would be definitive either way, just another spot where it would have to go undetected. I'd think it would be part of regular LE procedure to alert local transfer stations to perhaps take a bit more precaution, but maybe that's too optimistic on my part.

[akh]

Originally Posted by bx2

Right, I'm not saying it would be definitive either way, just another spot where it would have to go undetected. I'd think it would be part of regular LE procedure to alert local transfer stations to perhaps take a bit more precaution, but maybe that's too optimistic on my part.

But this goes back to how seriously did LE take the case initially... Was it immediately a priority and foul play suspected or did it slowly ramp up into that over how many ever hours?

Issue being, any dumpsters not checked and then emptied prior to that point could've already went thru the transfer station.

[mik1965]

Which makes me wonder even more if there is any truth to a "missing sleeping bag"?

[bx2]

Originally Posted by mik1965

Which makes me wonder even more if there is any truth to a "missing sleeping bag"?

Do you think the PT source would have come back to the board to report if it had eventually been found?

[jjll]

I am new to this thread, but have followed this case from the beginning, as have most of you that are still here. I am a graduate of IU Bloomington, and relate very much to this case (even though I graduated in 2003).

To add to the theory that is moving on this board lately, what about the same cast of characters pulling a mean prank? Maybe they put her in the dumpster because she was so wasted and out of control, thinking it would be funny for her to wake up there because of the "night she put them through"......

I only say this because I know of a friend that this happened to. Frat guys thought it would be funny, he passed out, they put him in the dumpster. Told him he was out of control and "deserved it"......

If she was alive when they put her in there....they could pass a poly about not being with her when she died.......just a thought that I have had, and felt I needed to share. Maybe they totally freaked out when they just expected her to be upset with them, and then she never turned up. They saw the dumpster had been emptied, and thought....time to get a lawyer. Maybe that also helps with CR asking if "anyone had seen a little blond girl".....

I realize this does not do anything to break the case, but food for thought.

[mik1965]

Originally Posted by bx2

Do you think the PT source would have come back to the board to report if it had eventually been found?

Probably not...that would be a good way to disguise such a small body though.

[Jupiter812]

Originally Posted by mik1965

Which makes me wonder even more if there is any truth to a "missing sleeping bag"?

That comment strikes me totally as a sarcastic offhanded remark and I wouldn't give it one moment of wonder, personally. It's like the comment someone makes about not liking their job and a smart alec says, "I hear they're hiring at McDonalds."

It's just not the type of info that is even worthy of the rumor mill IMO.

[Jupiter812]

Originally Posted by bx2

Right, I'm not saying it would be definitive either way, just another spot where it would have to go undetected. I'd think it would be part of regular LE procedure to alert local transfer stations to perhaps take a bit more precaution, but maybe that's too optimistic on my part.

I envision such extra precaution to consist of nothing more than "be on the look out for a body" which would be exposed amidst a gazillion trash bags some probably split open some not.

[Missing Budweiser]

Is anyone still posting on this thread an active student at IU?

[imkeylime]

Originally Posted by jjll

I am new to this thread, but have followed this case from the beginning, as have most of you that are still here. I am a graduate of IU Bloomington, and relate very much to this case (even though I graduated in 2003).

To add to the theory that is moving on this board lately, what about the same cast of characters pulling a mean prank? Maybe they put her in the dumpster because she was so wasted and out of control, thinking it would be funny for her to wake up there because of the "night she put them through"......

I only say this because I know of a friend that this happened to. Frat guys thought it would be funny, he passed out, they put him in the dumpster. Told him he was out of control and "deserved it"......

If she was alive when they put her in there....they could pass a poly about not being with her when she died.......just a thought that I have had, and felt I needed to share. Maybe they totally freaked out when they just expected her to be upset with them, and then she never turned up. They saw the dumpster had been emptied, and thought....time to get a lawyer. Maybe that also helps with CR asking if "anyone had seen a little blond girl".....

I realize this does not do anything to break the case, but food for thought.

Welcome, jjll! Food for thought is always good. IMO, I could see guys doing the dumpster stunt to other guys vs. guys doing it to a girl. Then again, there wasn't a lot of chivalry going on that night, as far as I can tell.

Your post reminds me that while we know of LS' heart condition, the POIs probably didn't. IDK if that influenced their actions that night, but had they known, they might have treated her differently. Here's hoping, anyway.

[jjenny]

I don't think guys would dump an alive female into a dumpster as a prank either. At least I hope not.

[imkeylime]

Originally Posted by jjenny

I don't think guys would dump an alive female into a dumpster as a prank either. At least I hope not.

The dynamic is different, I believe. I don't think the POIs would have treated LS like one of the guys.

That's another thing that bothers me about JR's story. I find it hard to believe that he'd let her walk off without keys, a phone, and shoes (well, maybe shoes). My daughter has a couple of close male friends, and they're definitely more protective than her female friends, i.e., walk on the side of the road with traffic, give her a sweatshirt if she's cold, etc. I get that CR has his own agenda, but JR was supposedly her friend.

[Jupiter812]

Originally Posted by imkeylime

The dynamic is different, I believe. I don't think the POIs would have treated LS like one of the guys.

That's another thing that bothers me about JR's story. I find it hard to believe that he'd let her walk off without keys, a phone, and shoes (well, maybe shoes). My daughter has a couple of close male friends, and they're definitely more protective than her female friends, i.e., walk on the side of the road with traffic, give her a sweatshirt if she's cold, etc. I get that CR has his own agenda, but JR was supposedly her friend.

I agree but with some added skepticism about the extent of his chivalry when wasted.

[Blythe]

I haven't commented in quite a while, though the talk has come full circle again. I know a case of a high school student who was severely intoxicated and passed out in a public park. His companions called his parents to tell them where he was. I might expect friends at a university to call the roommate or boyfriend/girlfriend of someone in distress, if dialing 911 seemed too extreme. If you don't want to be bothered seeing someone home, you call someone who would, right?

[holly2325]

Originally Posted by imkeylime

The dynamic is different, I believe. I don't think the POIs would have treated LS like one of the guys.

That's another thing that bothers me about JR's story. I find it hard to believe that he'd let her walk off without keys, a phone, and shoes (well, maybe shoes). My daughter has a couple of close male friends, and they're definitely more protective than her female friends, i.e., walk on the side of the road with traffic, give her a sweatshirt if she's cold, etc. I get that CR has his own agenda, but JR was supposedly her friend.

It never made sense to me that someone who cared so little about LS that they didn't ask her to call when she got there,( use the phone of whoever lets you in the door) would bother to spend an hour and a half with her.

An hour and a half is a long time at 3 am. What would they do? Plus LS has been with someone else all night. It would be more believable if JR had said hey I'm going to bed you can sleep on the sofa. He would go to bed and either she would be there in the morning or not.

IMO JR's version of the story is suspiciously intent on providing a detail that (proves) suggests that she left at all.

[holly2325]

Originally Posted by mik1965

Probably not...that would be a good way to disguise such a small body though.

But if found, would be a direct link back to JR. Maybe a generic trash bag is less risky.

[holly2325]

Originally Posted by bx2

Right, I'm not saying it would be definitive either way, just another spot where it would have to go undetected. I'd think it would be part of regular LE procedure to alert local transfer stations to perhaps take a bit more precaution, but maybe that's too optimistic on my part.

I have a sick feeling that LE blew off this messy work because they were overly optimistic in finding other clues.

[jjll]

Originally Posted by imkeylime

Welcome, jjll! Food for thought is always good. IMO, I could see guys doing the dumpster stunt to other guys vs. guys doing it to a girl. Then again, there wasn't a lot of chivalry going on that night, as far as I can tell.

Your post reminds me that while we know of LS' heart condition, the POIs probably didn't. IDK if that influenced their actions that night, but had they known, they might have treated her differently. Here's hoping, anyway.

Thanks for the welcome! I do agree that this is more of a guy thing. I just don't think that a lot of people think about consequences when they are in the moment.

[imkeylime]

Originally Posted by jjll

Thanks for the welcome! I do agree that this is more of a guy thing. I just don't think that a lot of people think about consequences when they are in the moment.

You're so welcome! Good point about consequences. Thinking back, a guy I considered a friend once left another friend (female) passed out in a lawn chair while he went to bed. God knows what could have happened. It's also possible (not probable, IMO) that JR sent LS on her way, perhaps aiming her toward DR, etc. But based on everything, I'm not convinced she could have walked to SW without help, which reminds me of the "mystery man" scenario ...

[bunnyesq.]

Originally Posted by imkeylime

You're so welcome! Good point about consequences. Thinking back, a guy I considered a friend once left another friend (female) passed out in a lawn chair while he went to bed. God knows what could have happened. It's also possible (not probable, IMO) that JR sent LS on her way, perhaps aiming her toward DR, etc. But based on everything, I'm not convinced she could have walked to SW without help, which reminds me of the "mystery man" scenario ...

I haven't posted here in a looooong time, but I was reading through some of the threads last night and I was thinking about that mystery man scenario too...and the report that a homeless man heard a woman scream around 4:35am, but that homeless man was later found deceased. It's so crazy that it's been so long and no new info has come up.

[Jupiter812]

From Facebook page of Official Lauren Spierer Updates from Her Family

In the days ahead, a family will have answers they have been desperately seeking. Will it be ours? When will you end this nightmare for our family? We will never give up. We are just as determined as we were on June 3, 2011. You need to know that. It's our promise to you. For now we continue to wait….
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Link to News video segment below is update about skull found in White River. It is hard to watch and to consider the possibility. But sadly it is someone's loved one. Still being tested but is from an adult and has been in water more than a year.

http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/vi...n&VID=23656097

[bessie]

Any time there's even a remote chance a recovered body could be Lauren's, I fall into a state of anxiety. I can't imagine what it does to her family.

Praying for the loved ones whoever they might turn out to be.

Praying that answers come soon for the Spierers.

[imkeylime]

Originally Posted by bessie

Any time there's even a remote chance a recovered body could be Lauren's, I fall into a state of anxiety. I can't imagine what it does to her family.

Praying for the loved ones whoever they might turn out to be.

Praying that answers come soon for the Spierers.

I so want the answer to come soon for LS' family. But I've got to admit that the thought of just a skull freaks me out. Sending hugs to the Spierers ...

[cluciano63]

If somehow this latest find turns out to be Lauren...does that make it more or less likely that she was a victim of her social group, I wonder?

I have a feeling this won't be Lauren...but hoping the remains are hers, as her family seems to want badly to have her found, even in such an awful manner. They seem to have accepted that she is not coming back and need to be able to put her to rest.