5/15/2012--Sentencing

[sillybilly]

"The jury failed to apprehend the evidentiary requirement to convict for first-degree murder," according to his handwritten notice.

Well, in his short tenure as Inmate Zero, he seems to think he knows more about evidence than the 12 good peeps who put him there.

He might want to consider brushing up on another 1st degree murder case where the defendent was convicted on circumstantial evidence alone ... and DENIED his SCC appeal !!

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Sup...915/story.html



Oh, excuse me while I roflmao.

[crazyladi]

Originally Posted by swedie

These words right out of this POS monster's mouth makes him guilty in the death of Tori Stafford. Notwithstanding though, I do believe that I am a very definite part of why Victoria is not here today. He's so stupid in his appeal he chooses to lay fault on the judge instead of fighting one of the three charges. For this he will lose. Sadly this appeal will not bring an end to this case nor will it bring Tori back. I am not sure of the legal process and what MR's rights are if his appeal is denied, but sadly I don't think we've heard the last from him. I believe he can use what is termed collateral attack, reversal of judgement. I don't think he will go away quietly. Does anyone know what other options he has if his appeal is denied?

I've wondered many a times if TM ever did pay him a visit. And if so, what did he have to say?

To Tara McDonald, for the past three years I've had so much to say on my behalf.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/05/15...t-to-the-court

I don't think they would allow themtotalk to each other

[Bravo]

Originally Posted by crazyladi

hahahhaha.. Man i have a big mouth I think I would have said something LOL

LOL Well i did blurt out "What the he77 is wrong with her" I just assumed she would say that her Son had done something horrible but that he was still her son etc. etc. I was shocked. Shocked i tell ya. Not sure why in this day and age. I guess it's beyond surreal when one actually sees/hears up close and personal stuff we read here. That was my experience anyway.

[Bravo]

MOO but thinking back to his interrogation/questioning videos he came off as wimpy to me. There was no sign of a tough street guy persona. I relished that with the conviction knowing where he was going. I picture him in a corner of his cell curled up in a ball frantically trying to write something,anything to get him out of that he77 hole. The stench,the screams,the howls 24/7

[swedie]

Thank you Jayfriend for that video. It was very informative and it enlightened my heart to know POS monster's chances for a successful appeal is slim to none.

Hellokitty thank you for the legal information regarding the process. Very good to know in this case.

Kamille I had the same thought as you regarding the question the juror posed to the judge being his reason for appeal. IIRC didn't the judge get somewhat irritated by one of the questions posed by the jury? Maybe because they were unclear in their questioning to the judge?

IMHO I don't see MR being smart enough to have come up with a reason to base an appeal on. I highly assume it was his mother (or those who may support her) who came up with that reason. Oh course MR would be the one who would have to file it, but it doesn't mean he used his brain to come up with a reason for one. He probably missed the deadline because he is limited to calls and used up all his calls to call mommy and cry. Yes he definitely comes off as a wimpy whiner.

Crazylady who do you mean by "they" when you say I don't think they would allow themtotalk to each other. I cannot see the reasoning behind this as long as both parties are open/willing to talk. As far as I know, anyone who would be interested enough to chat with MR , is free to do so as long as he is willing to see them during allocated visiting privileges ect. kwim.

Bravo personally and all just my opinion of course, I was and still am disgusted by what MR's mother had to say to the media. First off she should have had the decency to acknowledge Tori's family and share her condolences. For three years she had time to prepare a speech, she knew her five minutes of fame would come to speak to the media. Bottom line is, she didn't have to speak period. All she manage to do was p!ss people off with the A typical response of a naive mother who was willing to stick up for her psychotic, pedophile, murdering, POS son and point the finger at his accomplice. "TLM has ruined our lives". Pfffttt what about your son who has ruined Tori's life and her family's lives?! Don't take anyone elses' suffering into account; it's all about.... enough said.

I will forever wonder how some people can live with themselves.

Sillybilly as peeved off about all of this; waste of time and money, I'm right beside you roflmao, move over. Hopefully his appeal will go nowhere and he cannot get legal aid support. He should have to earn the money while incarcerated to pay his own expenses now. Just my wishful thinking of course.

I'm not worried about his appeal. I actually find it quite amusing to know he hates his life now and is desperate enough to file such a ridiculous appeal. As I said previously, desperate people do desperate things. Grasping at straws...poor Mikey. All JMHO.

BTW this video speaks of MR wanting to give TM the "missing pieces of the puzzle" and her response to reporters. I've never seen this video from May after MR's sentencing.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/Shows...146361/?page=4

[robynhood]

wow ...just reading apppeal ...and just read the response to the Tori law from our gov;t...very hard to understand...IMO full of political gov't jargon...I hope someone posts ithere as it is late at night when i found the response ...posted ..and i am deeply saddened about this all...Please help post gov't response here fellow websleuthers...exhausted ..again deeply upset ...as you read our gov;t response to the Tori law you will understand..I am not going to get into a discussuon...very deeply sadden again...robynhood.

[~n/t~]

Huge waste! More Canadian money wasted on this POS.

[~n/t~]

Letter from The Honourable Rob Nicholson

https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/vi...84692604892181


BS!

[crazyladi]

Originally Posted by swedie

Thank you Jayfriend for that video. It was very informative and it enlightened my heart to know POS monster's chances for a successful appeal is slim to none.

Hellokitty thank you for the legal information regarding the process. Very good to know in this case.

Kamille I had the same thought as you regarding the question the juror posed to the judge being his reason for appeal. IIRC didn't the judge get somewhat irritated by one of the questions posed by the jury? Maybe because they were unclear in their questioning to the judge?

IMHO I don't see MR being smart enough to have come up with a reason to base an appeal on. I highly assume it was his mother (or those who may support her) who came up with that reason. Oh course MR would be the one who would have to file it, but it doesn't mean he used his brain to come up with a reason for one. He probably missed the deadline because he is limited to calls and used up all his calls to call mommy and cry. Yes he definitely comes off as a wimpy whiner.

Crazylady who do you mean by "they" when you say I don't think they would allow themtotalk to each other. I cannot see the reasoning behind this as long as both parties are open/willing to talk. As far as I know, anyone who would be interested enough to chat with MR , is free to do so as long as he is willing to see them during allocated visiting privileges ect. kwim.

Bravo personally and all just my opinion of course, I was and still am disgusted by what MR's mother had to say to the media. First off she should have had the decency to acknowledge Tori's family and share her condolences. For three years she had time to prepare a speech, she knew her five minutes of fame would come to speak to the media. Bottom line is, she didn't have to speak period. All she manage to do was p!ss people off with the A typical response of a naive mother who was willing to stick up for her psychotic, pedophile, murdering, POS son and point the finger at his accomplice. "TLM has ruined our lives". Pfffttt what about your son who has ruined Tori's life and her family's lives?! Don't take anyone elses' suffering into account; it's all about.... enough said.

I will forever wonder how some people can live with themselves.

Sillybilly as peeved off about all of this; waste of time and money, I'm right beside you roflmao, move over. Hopefully his appeal will go nowhere and he cannot get legal aid support. He should have to earn the money while incarcerated to pay his own expenses now. Just my wishful thinking of course.

I'm not worried about his appeal. I actually find it quite amusing to know he hates his life now and is desperate enough to file such a ridiculous appeal. As I said previously, desperate people do desperate things. Grasping at straws...poor Mikey. All JMHO.

BTW this video speaks of MR wanting to give TM the "missing pieces of the puzzle" and her response to reporters. I've never seen this video from May after MR's sentencing.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/Shows...146361/?page=4

Sorry someone mentioned Tlm talking to mr and I was just responding saying that I didn't think that we're allowed to speak to each other. I am not sure how they could. Mail??? Anyways sorry for the confusing post

[robynhood]

Originally Posted by ~n/t~

Letter from The Honourable Rob Nicholson

https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/vi...84692604892181


BS!

that is eaxactly what I read late last night on fb...and was so upset when i posted here...read that letter from...Honourable Rob Nicholson in response to the tori Law petition....Rodney must be so ANGRY!..robynhood

[Hello_Kitty]

I believe that MR will have a difficult time getting his appeal approved, however, if it comes to that, I'm sure there is a way through social media and by spreading the word what this POS is all about. There is no way that no one in Ontario by now that should not be aware of all the stuff that came out after his trial and what he and TLM did to Tori. Personally, I will be using my Facebook account and Twitter account to spread the word. It's a good start and I will feel like I have made a difference I hope. This POS SOB should not be let out to hurt other children.... ever.

[BorgQueen]

Originally Posted by Hello_Kitty

I believe that MR will have a difficult time getting his appeal approved, however, if it comes to that, I'm sure there is a way through social media and by spreading the word what this POS is all about. There is no way that no one in Ontario by now that should not be aware of all the stuff that came out after his trial and what he and TLM did to Tori. Personally, I will be using my Facebook account and Twitter account to spread the word. It's a good start and I will feel like I have made a difference I hope. This POS SOB should not be let out to hurt other children.... ever.

And if he does get out, whether it now, in 25 years, in 50 years, or 100 years, he WILL do it again. The moment he is let out is the moment he has gotten away with it.

[Hello_Kitty]

Originally Posted by BorgQueen

And if he does get out, whether it now, in 25 years, in 50 years, or 100 years, he WILL do it again. The moment he is let out is the moment he has gotten away with it.

I was just reading a site where it says that if someone files a notice to appeal and the appeal is allowed to go through, that person can apply to be released on bail until a new trial is ordered.... I really hope that isn't the case with Rafferty... That would be the worst pain for the family.

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http://www.yourbestdefence.com/criminal-appeal-lawyer#8

Is it possible to get bail during my appeal?

It is possible to get bail while your appeal is before the Court. This is called bail pending appeal. Bail pending appeal requires a separate motion to be brought before the Court hearing the appeal. The Court must be satisfied of three things:

1) There is a possibility that the appeal will be successful;
2) It is not contrary to the public interest that the person be released pending appeal (this a very significant factor for offences that result in a long jail sentence); and
3) That the person will surrender themselves on or before the date of the hearing.
Preparing a proper “bail pending appeal” application may take several weeks. Therefore, it is important to begin preparing this type of motion as soon as possible after the conviction is registered by the judge rather than waiting for the sentence to be imposed.

[robynhood]

..read the letter posted from honorable Rob Nilson...N/T helped me post here....as I asked assistance..I was too upset to post it when i found it on FB site for TORI! ...i think it states in all that political Jargon...Canada DOES NOT PLAN ON LETTING Michael Rafferty out ..EVER...THANK GOD..found guilty as we all know of of everything accused...IMO...May MR . rot in his own H_LL...what a horrrible person to put Poor Tori only 9 thru i.......z>>> her final hours with us on earth...as the judge said" you MR>RAFFERTY ARe a MONSTER...I agree totally...robynhood.

[Hello_Kitty]

Department of Justice Website - Appeals Rules and Procedures

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/r...ons/SI-93-169/

everything you wanted to know about appeals, and inmate appeals is listed there.

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btw, the word 'apprehend' in his notice of appeal is actually correct, it means the jury failed to grasp mentally, or understand the 'evidentiary requirements to convict him of first degree murder'. I guess he thinks the jury was too stupid to understand the evidence and just decided to convict him of 1st degree murder for the hell of it.

[sillybilly]

Originally Posted by Hello_Kitty

btw, the word 'apprehend' in his notice of appeal is actually correct, it means the jury failed to grasp mentally, or understand the 'evidentiary requirements to convict him of first degree murder'. I guess he thinks the jury was too stupid to understand the evidence and just decided to convict him of 1st degree murder for the hell of it.

<RSBM>

I am humbled and angry that MR is smarter than I am. DAMN !!

[maxfactor]

Originally Posted by sillybilly

<RSBM>

I am humbled and angry that MR is smarter than I am. DAMN !!

Lol SB!! There is no way MR is smarter than you!! I wonder if he got help from this group: http://law.queensu.ca/students/correctional.html

The only program of its kind in Canada, the Queen's Correctional Law Project provides legal advice, assistance and representation in the area of correctional law. The program deals with inmate appeals against conviction and sentence for inmates of the nine federal penitentiaries in the Kingston area and Warkworth Institution near Campbellford, Ontario.

[nettie_82]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but how long will this appeal process possibly take? Are we talking months or years before we know if one will be granted?

[Hello_Kitty]

Originally Posted by nettie_82

Sorry if this has been asked before, but how long will this appeal process possibly take? Are we talking months or years before we know if one will be granted?

The guest lawyers on different news networks said it may take up to a year just to find out if he gets an extension. Once the extension is allowed, the appeal will proceed automatically. The appeal is could take up to another year or it may go faster, dunno. But you know how slow the wheels of justice are in Canada, gosh it took three years to get to his trial...

[flipflop]

Originally Posted by Hello_Kitty

The guest lawyers on different news networks said it may take up to a year just to find out if he gets an extension. Once the extension is allowed, the appeal will proceed automatically. The appeal is could take up to another year or it may go faster, dunno. But you know how slow the wheels of justice are in Canada, gosh it took three years to get to his trial...

Waste of time, waste of money, waste of skin....I wish we had the death penalty for these sorry SOB.

[BorgQueen]

I'm normally against the death penalty for various reasons (it is an easy way out, not real punishment... but I won't get into it)... but in this case, I do wish we had it. This creep is going to keep trying everything he can to torture the family of his victim. That is all he is doing now. And he will use every resource that he is given to make sure he can continue having his "fun". It is sick, and somebody needs to put a stop to it. When will these people stop having more rights than their victims and the families of the victims?!??!?!?!

[flipflop]

Originally Posted by BorgQueen

I'm normally against the death penalty for various reasons (it is an easy way out, not real punishment... but I won't get into it)... but in this case, I do wish we had it. This creep is going to keep trying everything he can to torture the family of his victim. That is all he is doing now. And he will use every resource that he is given to make sure he can continue having his "fun". It is sick, and somebody needs to put a stop to it. When will these people stop having more rights than their victims and the families of the victims?!??!?!?!

My thoughts exactly....that SOB said in his own words that he was responsible for Tori not being here today, so why the appeal....he is where he belongs!!!!!!! ROT IT HELL RAFFERTY!!!!!!

[swedie]

OK so basically this POS is saying the jurors are stupid and didn't understand the judges instructions to them, didn't know how to follow instructions from the judge. The judge didn't instruct them properly blah, blah, blah. The POS is desperate and will forever remain desperate because he won't be going anywhere outside of prison walls for the remainder of his life. The evidence was presented, the jurors listened and used their common sense based on the information and evidence given. It was and still is blatantly obvious MR was the instigator behind Tori's death. It was deliberate, premeditated and his past shows he is a sexual deviant, he is were he belongs and where he will die.

There would be no need for the death penalty if our government would stop protecting these monsters and put them in with the general population or at least house them with their like minded kind. It's that simple. When you break the law as serious as this, you should have no rights. JMHO.

[swedie]

Originally Posted by sillybilly

<RSBM>

I am humbled and angry that MR is smarter than I am. DAMN !!

SB you're silly! This POS is as stupid as they come...and pure evil. Thanks for the laugh of the day SB!

[Hello_Kitty]

Originally Posted by swedie

OK so basically this POS is saying the jurors are stupid and didn't understand the judges instructions to them, didn't know how to follow instructions from the judge. The judge didn't instruct them properly blah, blah, blah. The POS is desperate and will forever remain desperate because he won't be going anywhere outside of prison walls for the remainder of his life. The evidence was presented, the jurors listened and used their common sense based on the information and evidence given. It was and still is blatantly obvious MR was the instigator behind Tori's death. It was deliberate, premeditated and his past shows he is a sexual deviant, he is were he belongs and where he will die.

There would be no need for the death penalty if our government would stop protecting these monsters and put them in with the general population or at least house them with their like minded kind. It's that simple. When you break the law as serious as this, you should have no rights. JMHO.

BBM

That, and he's saying the jury failed to understand the evidence required to convict of first-degree murder. So this POS, is saying the evidence didn't support a 1st degree murder conviction, and that Judge Heeny didn't instruct the jurors properly on what is needed to convict for 1st degree murder.