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Old 08-10-2012, 09:22 PM
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Pedophile Ring Investigation by FBI and US Postal Service

I've always suspected this. I'm glad it's being investigated.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-sex-ring.html

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Federal officials have launched an investigation into a possible pedophile ring involving disgraced former Penn State defensive coordinator and convicted child molester Jerry Sandusky.
According to RadarOnline, both the FBI and a criminal investigative division of the United States Postal Service are looking into allegations that Sandusky shared boys with other men connected to Penn State as part of a child sex ring.

‘Investigators have interviewed at least one man who claims to have knowledge of Sandusky and a very prominent man, with strong ties to Penn State, both sexually abusing a boy,’ a source familiar with the situation told RadarOnline.com.
The United States Postal Inspectors office in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, has spearheaded the investigation because pornographic materials involving underage boys have been transmitted through the mail.
Analyzing a computer seized from Sandusky, investigators are also looking into whether he sent ‘seductive letters’ across state lines for sexual purposes, according to CBS. Some of these letters were said to be sent to some of his victims.


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Old 08-10-2012, 09:29 PM
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It was a good day, that day. And unfortunately, this was just the tip of the iceburg.
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Old 08-10-2012, 09:32 PM
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Yes, I am so glad this is investigated because I also think this is more complicated.
Many more people involved, JMOO
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Me, too.

I always suspected this. Just too many unexplained facts --

1) When he was an assistant coach, in 1978, he starts his own foundation, one that is extremely well-funded. I mean -- I can't do this, I'd be going around scrounging for money, begging, hat in hand. But, not our Jerry, starts the foundation, and it immediately becomes a hit. Granted there was the Penn State connection - but still!

2) Why is did he get such a generous severance package from Penn State in 98? I mean - they had him on morals allegation - but, our Jerry, managed to negotiate all sorts of stuff for himself including on-going access to Penn State facilities.

3) Why did he keep getting access to Penn State after McQueary turned him in? Certainly, at this point, they should have been worried about liability. But, not our Jerry - he keeps dropping by.

I think that Second Mile wasn't started by Jerry - but by a group of friends for the express purpose of finding youngsters that fit their preference. And, Penn State was the big lure they had. So, the two went together.

I hope they find whomever is the "man (or men) behind the curtain"
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The Shoat, I've always wondered myself the real reason the foundation was created.
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Perhaps the cover-up was not to protect football or PSU, but to protect the Second Mile, so the wealthy and politically connected could continue to have their "fun."


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Perhaps the cover-up was not to protect football or PSU, but to protect the Second Mile, so the wealthy and politically connected could continue to have their "fun."


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I can't figure out why anyone would need to protect football in 2001. Sandusky wasn't part of the program. The prior investigation was a bust, with two victims.
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I can't figure out why anyone would need to protect football in 2001. Sandusky wasn't part of the program. The prior investigation was a bust, with two victims.
I am waiting for a better explanation as well. Unless there is more out there. More complaints that were filed inside of Penn State that are buried I mean. I saw this with a few pedophile pediatrician cases-the hospitals paid victims and buried the files or disappeared them.

Second Mile has to have complaints. All the victims who testified came through its doors...except Jer's son or was Matt with Second Mile as well?

I mean if Jer used it as his hunting ground for all of this time, there were complaints and rumors way before it came to Gricar's attention, dont you think?
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This new info makes me wonder about those records that are missing from TSM. Does anyone recall the year(s) of the records that are missing?

I've suspected this also but reading that it is actually being investigated is jaw dropping.

One thing I do know from years of working in Public schools is that educational institutions like to handle things in house to avoid public scandal. moo
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Perhaps the cover-up was not to protect football or PSU, but to protect the Second Mile, so the wealthy and politically connected could continue to have their "fun."


http://americanfreepress.net/?p=5116
That is hardly a credible site you linked to. There is ZERO evidence that Tim Curley's decision to not notify DPW, after talking it over with "Joe," was based on a desire to protect the Second Mile or a child pedophile ring.
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I can't figure out why anyone would need to protect football in 2001. Sandusky wasn't part of the program. The prior investigation was a bust, with two victims.
So the Penn State 4 conspired to cover up a child pedophile ring? And Louis Freeh covered up the cover up?
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So the Penn State 4 conspired to cover up a child pedophile ring? And Louis Freeh covered up the cover up?
I wont speak for JJ, but I dont think that is what he is saying at all. Sandusky wasnt very relevant to PSU football in 2001. So WHY did the complaints get covered up? Why not hang him out to dry?
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I wont speak for JJ, but I dont think that is what he is saying at all. Sandusky wasnt very relevant to PSU football in 2001. So WHY did the complaints get covered up? Why not hang him out to dry?
Follow the link to find the answers to your questions:

http://thefreehreportonpsu.com/
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I wont speak for JJ, but I dont think that is what he is saying at all. Sandusky wasnt very relevant to PSU football in 2001. So WHY did the complaints get covered up? Why not hang him out to dry?
You should be speaking for me.

2001 goes away as an issue, if it was properly reported. It is an ex-coach. There is no suggestion of Penn State doing anything improper in 1998.

Schultz and Curley report this to DPW, it is no longer their problem.
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You should be speaking for me.

2001 goes away as an issue, if it was properly reported. It is an ex-coach. There is no suggestion of Penn State doing anything improper in 1998.

Schultz and Curley report this to DPW, it is no longer their problem.
I completely agree, as you know JJ. Freeh did a great job with meticulously unfolding the cover up. Without access to the major participants here, Freeh was hamstrung in finding out the why. JMVHO.
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maybe we will find out also what happened to Centre County DA Ray Gricar!
Did he come across some very wealthy ring leaders?
Sandusky doesn't seem to be the sharpest crayon in the box.
Who funded him before Penn State?
and his foundation?
IMO, track Sandusky from his 20's on.
His closest associates and friends.....birds of a feather.......
He has been a pediphile for a long tme IMOO.
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I wont speak for JJ, but I dont think that is what he is saying at all. Sandusky wasnt very relevant to PSU football in 2001. So WHY did the complaints get covered up? Why not hang him out to dry?
BBM. This is what has always bothered me. I just don't get it. You'd think those who protected JS would have been in a self preservation mode themselves.
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You should be speaking for me.

2001 goes away as an issue, if it was properly reported. It is an ex-coach. There is no suggestion of Penn State doing anything improper in 1998.

Schultz and Curley report this to DPW, it is no longer their problem.
To me and also according to Freeh, it's not what they did, it's what they did not do. Although the 98 case was investigated by other agencies and no charges filed, the PSU staff involved had a responsibility to talk to JS as his employer/supervisors about his behavior and ban him from bringing children to the facilities.

I think this is what scared them in 2001, the public finding out they had still let him have free rein at the school with kids after 98 and even after he retired, which had led to the current event.

WHY, to me and again to Freeh, they just did not care..."total disregard for the welfare of the children" (close)....these were 2nd Mile kids, might as well say 2nd class, IOW, not mine and nobody they wanted to get involved with or felt responsible for.
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To me and also according to Freeh, it's not what they did, it's what they did not do. Although the 98 case was investigated by other agencies and no charges filed, the PSU staff involved had a responsibility to talk to JS as his employer/supervisors about his behavior and ban him from bringing children to the facilities.

I think this is what scared them in 2001, the public finding out they had still let him have free rein at the school with kids after 98 and even after he retired, which had led to the current event.

WHY, to me and again to Freeh, they just did not care..."total disregard for the welfare of the children" (close)....these were 2nd Mile kids, might as well say 2nd class, IOW, not mine and nobody they wanted to get involved with or felt responsible for.
I worry that we are only so certain about what they should have done in 98 based on hindsight now. At the time, they weren't involved in the investigation at all, except the information that was shared with Schultz by Sandusky's former neighbor, Harmon.

At the conclusion, they were told that there was no evidence of criminal behavior, and that DPW was closing their case as well. Harmon told them that Sandusky was instructed not to shower with young boys, and that he had apologized and was emotional about it. Harmon expressed that he felt the matter had been appropriately investigated, and hoped the matter was behind them.

If that was all we ever knew, I don't think so many people would expect his employers to determine that it wasn't just a case of poor judgment like the professionals thought, and that they should impose sanctions against him. We don't have the luxury of forgetting about 2000 (which administration never knew about) and 2001, where Curley, Schultz and Spanier chose not to pursue their 3-point plan in lieu of the "more humane" solution, as well as everything that has happened since then.

Of course, this is just my opinion, and I certainly respect that others clearly view it differently than I.
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To me and also according to Freeh, it's not what they did, it's what they did not do. Although the 98 case was investigated by other agencies and no charges filed, the PSU staff involved had a responsibility to talk to JS as his employer/supervisors about his behavior and ban him from bringing children to the facilities.
I know. That is my point. It wasn't difficult to do the right thing in 2001, but they didn't do it.

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Why? They'd get to point point the finger at RFG and DPW. The kicker was, Gricar was facing a contested primary, that he didn't do particularly well in, about 6 weeks later. If it came out before that, he might not have won.

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They were fine, including Paterno, until 2/26/01, then something changed. Paterno reported to Curley the next day after McQueary told him. Curley and Schultz were on it that night.
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It was Schreffler, not Hamron.

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I worry that we are only so certain about what they should have done in 98 based on hindsight now. At the time, they weren't involved in the investigation at all, except the information that was shared with Schultz by Sandusky's former neighbor, Harmon.
They had two victims, and three witnesses to Sandusky's admission; two of them were cops. The ADA that handled child abuse cases was removed from the case.

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At the conclusion, they were told that there was no evidence of criminal behavior, and that DPW was closing their case as well.
According to DPW, they never saw the Chambers Report.

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Harmon told them that Sandusky was instructed not to shower with young boys, and that he had apologized and was emotional about it. Harmon expressed that he felt the matter had been appropriately investigated, and hoped the matter was behind them.
Schreffler wanted to press charges. Harmon wasn't involved.

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If that was all we ever knew, I don't think so many people would expect his employers to determine that it wasn't just a case of poor judgment like the professionals thought, and that they should impose sanctions against him.
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I know. That is my point. It wasn't difficult to do the right thing in 2001, but they didn't do it.

Why? They'd get to point point the finger at RFG and DPW. The kicker was, Gricar was facing a contested primary, that he didn't do particularly well in, about 6 weeks later. If it came out before that, he might not have won.

They were fine, including Paterno, until 2/26/01, then something changed. Paterno reported to Curley the next day after McQueary told him. Curley and Schultz were on it that night.
These are all valid points that I attempted to address in the 2001 Coverup thread. But let's bring in back on topic. Where is there any evidence that the 2001 coverup was related to a pedophile ring?
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These are all valid points that I attempted to address in the 2001 Coverup thread. But let's bring in back on topic. Where is there any evidence that the 2001 coverup was related to a pedophile ring?
None, but there is about as much evidence that it was to protect the football program. Yet it did happen.

I get the feeling we're missing something.
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It was Schreffler, not Hamron.



They had two victims, and three witnesses to Sandusky's admission; two of them were cops. The ADA that handled child abuse cases was removed from the case.



According to DPW, they never saw the Chambers Report.



Schreffler wanted to press charges. Harmon wasn't involved.



Snipped. I'm not sure who you are talking about in this.

See exhibit 2D. Harmon was the one communicating with Schultz via email, keeping him informed about the status of the investigation. As far as I can tell, Schreffler never spoke to the PSU officials. And IIRC, Harmon was the go-between who told Schreffler that Gricar wasn't going to pursue charges.

I was replying to Reader's post that he (and Freeh) felt that Paterno et al should have spoken to Sandusky and banned him from bringing children onto the premises. We all agree that the police, the DA, and DPW could have done more in 98; my argument is that people are judging the University staff based on the totality of what we now know, not based only on what information they had in 98.

Sorry that we are getting off-topic.
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