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Old 08-18-2012, 02:41 AM
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Oh, Michael Carson, what did you say?

I suppose the police and prosecutors involved in this case will still try and claim that the DNA evdence is all smoke and mirrors..Pfft.
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Old 08-18-2012, 03:37 AM
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And since they took Alford pleas The State will not try to find who did it.
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Old 08-18-2012, 12:48 PM
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The person who killed those three litlle kids is still out there....

Alford plea be damned, the state of Arkansas needs to see that justice is done.
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Old 08-18-2012, 01:17 PM
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In-depth Times article coincides with the release of 'West of Memphis':

West Memphis Three, a Year Out of Prison, Navigate New Paths (New York Times)

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Old 08-19-2012, 08:03 PM
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The ending of that article is very sad IMO.
"Then, in his book, Mr. Echols criticized Mr. Baldwin for not immediately accepting the deal, saying Mr. Baldwin had grown to love prison and was acting as if he was morally superior.

That hurt Mr. Baldwin, who initially did not want to admit to something he says he did not do, preferring to take a chance on an upcoming hearing to examine new evidence that would have probably included DNA samples and charges of juror misconduct.

But as the short timeline on the offer approached, he became convinced that Mr. Echols would not survive much longer.

“I didn’t take the deal for me,” he said. “I took it for Damien.”

The two currently are not speaking. Those around them hope the rift will heal."

I probably wouldn't ever talk to him again.
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What you're dealing with is a horrendous crime. Three young boys murdered in cold blood. Just that alone upsets people. You look at the bodies and there are these savage injuries all over. It affects people emotionally and warps their judgement and then someone says, "Maybe it's satanic."

And they say, "Well the only type of person who would do this would be someone like that."
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:47 PM
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The ending of that article is very sad IMO.
"Then, in his book, Mr. Echols criticized Mr. Baldwin for not immediately accepting the deal, saying Mr. Baldwin had grown to love prison and was acting as if he was morally superior.

That hurt Mr. Baldwin, who initially did not want to admit to something he says he did not do, preferring to take a chance on an upcoming hearing to examine new evidence that would have probably included DNA samples and charges of juror misconduct.

But as the short timeline on the offer approached, he became convinced that Mr. Echols would not survive much longer.

“I didn’t take the deal for me,” he said. “I took it for Damien.”

The two currently are not speaking. Those around them hope the rift will heal."

I probably wouldn't ever talk to him again.
That is sad. But how many of us have the same friends at 35 that we had at 17, even without the pressures of prison and death row?
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:26 AM
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i am interested to see 'west of memphis' - i don't post a lot, but am sure you all have seen from my posts that i believe the WM3 to be guilty. i am really looking, reading, being as openminded as possible - but i am still not convinced, at all, that the WM3 are innocent.

have watched all 3 of the 'lost' documentaries, read the 1st devils knot book, the 'blood of innocents' book, and have read every thread on this site. have also spent hours reading the transcripts @ www callahan - i am just NOT seeing/feeling any warm fuzzies for these 3 guys. to me - it seems like the cops had the bad guys right where they belonged.

will be interesting to watch/read what happens going forward. frankly ... i'm not seeing exonerations flying around anytime soon.

but i am trying to keep an open mind. those 3 little boys deserve justice.
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Old 09-08-2012, 07:17 PM
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Johnny Depp with Damien Echols at the premiere of West of Memphis at the Toronto Film Festival.

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment...mphis-premiere
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Old 09-08-2012, 09:37 PM
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Damien Echols "went through hell" to get permission to come to Canada to join his pal and advocate Johnny Depp at TIFF for the premiere of the documentary about his case, West of Memphis.

"The U.S. still shows that I still have three counts of murder on my criminal record," Echols told a TIFF press conference Saturday. "So I have to go through all of these extraordinary measures that the average person wouldn't have to."
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/09/08...est-of-memphis
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Old 09-09-2012, 04:18 PM
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Well, he is not the average person. He is a convicted murderer. He wants sympathy?!
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Old 09-10-2012, 01:07 PM
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Johnny Depp with Damien Echols at the premiere of West of Memphis at the Toronto Film Festival.

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment...mphis-premiere

I believe they are innocent-but this picture of Damien just rubs me the wrong way..don't ask me why-it just does!!!
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Old 09-10-2012, 03:26 PM
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Contrary to popular belief, I think that Damien might still be a little uncomfortable in large crowds. Remember, he was incarcerated for over 18 years, and he has said in interviews that he has trouble dealing with crowds. Maybe that's what you're seeing here that is off-putting. Just a thought.
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:33 PM
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Then maybe he should stay home. It is like he is dancing on those boys' graves. I am so tired of 'poor, poor Damien .'

Is he really smart? According to whom?
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:47 PM
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Contrary to popular belief, I think that Damien might still be a little uncomfortable in large crowds. Remember, he was incarcerated for over 18 years, and he has said in interviews that he has trouble dealing with crowds. Maybe that's what you're seeing here that is off-putting. Just a thought.
Plus, all still photos are a moment in Time. We don't know the full context. It would be intersesting to know what had just happened/said.

JMO but the polarizing issue of whether one believes the WM3 to be guilty or innocent is likely to color one's reaction, unless someone is truly objective or tries to isolate their bias.

Also, I often wonder if some that assume guilt really understand the Alford plea that was taken.

Hard for me to complain about a photo of Johnny Depp.
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:55 PM
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Plus, all still photos are a moment in Time. We don't know the full context. It would be intersesting to know what had just happened/said.

JMO but the polarizing issue of whether one believes the WM3 to be guilty or innocent is likely to color one's reaction, unless someone is truly objective or tries to isolate their bias.

Also, I often wonder if some that assume guilt really understand the Alford plea that was taken.

Hard for me to complain about a photo of Johnny Depp.
You're exactly right about that "moment in time" thing! Quite a few politicians and at least one Prince have been caught unawares in such a moment! And, for my money, you're right about biases. People see what they want to see.
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Looks like a powerful movie!
IMHO, besides the lack of physical evidence, the recantations of so many people's testimony is the thing that makes it true to me. As you age, you develop more of a reason to tell the truth. When you're young, you'd lie just to be cool. rebellious or foolish! I believe these people were twisted and turned and psychologically coerced into saying what the police/lawyers wanted them to say and once it was on paper, they felt like an animal in a cage.. not being able to go back for fear of perjury charges... Misskelley included! Now that they are adults, they see how wrong it was and don't feel the need to be afraid of this "authority" anymore and want to purge themselves of this burden weighing heavy on their hearts...
ETA: Glad they got it on film since they may never have a chance to recant in court..
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I believe they are innocent-but this picture of Damien just rubs me the wrong way..don't ask me why-it just does!!!
He looks smug to me, but if you've ever seen or been around a true convict this is how they stand. Arms in front, feet apart, head cocked back. They all look smug and arrogent, imo. Learned behavior. It probably comes natural to him at this point. IMO


There has always been something about DE that has bothered me. Not sure if he's guilty or not, but I tend to lean towards him alone being guilty. I've read everything there is to read and even though some evidence points elsewhere..something about him makes me so uneasy. I wonder how his wife is adjusting to him being home? Is it everything she thought it would be?

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Old 09-10-2012, 08:24 PM
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Again, people see what they want to see. As to the marriage, AFAIK, everything is great. I've heard nothing about any rift between Damien and Lorri, much to the chagrin of the nons! Believe me, if there were trouble in the marriage, it would be all over Facebook and Twitter and who knows where else? They might even re-institute The Hoax to report that. The strain on their marriage from all of the public pressure must be enormous.

Of course, over half of the marriages in this country end in divorce. So, if their marriage fails, that doesn't prove that Damien was guilty. There's been too much of that kind of thing in this case already, like with Exhibit 500. "Ooh, Damien had problems as a teen. He must be a murderer." That's crazy logic, just as it would be crazy to assume that, should the marriage fail, it would be because Damien killed Christopher, Michael and Stevie. It simply doesn't follow.
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Old 09-11-2012, 06:57 PM
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For anyone in the area, there will be free screenings of the film starting soon:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...D=happeningnow
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Old 09-19-2012, 07:55 AM
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Here's a link to a recent interview with Echols. I guess he and his wife are now living in Salem, Ma........


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162...e-after-death/
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:26 PM
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I believe they are innocent-but this picture of Damien just rubs me the wrong way..don't ask me why-it just does!!!

When I see pictures of any of the WM3, laughing, smiling, enjoying life - I can't stop myself from picturing those 3 innocent little boys and wondering what their lives might have been.
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:30 PM
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He looks smug to me, but if you've ever seen or been around a true convict this is how they stand. Arms in front, feet apart, head cocked back. They all look smug and arrogent, imo. Learned behavior. It probably comes natural to him at this point. IMO


There has always been something about DE that has bothered me. Not sure if he's guilty or not, but I tend to lean towards him alone being guilty. I've read everything there is to read and even though some evidence points elsewhere..something about him makes me so uneasy. I wonder how his wife is adjusting to him being home? Is it everything she thought it would be?

I wonder about their life together now also.
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Again, people see what they want to see. As to the marriage, AFAIK, everything is great. I've heard nothing about any rift between Damien and Lorri, much to the chagrin of the nons! Believe me, if there were trouble in the marriage, it would be all over Facebook and Twitter and who knows where else? They might even re-institute The Hoax to report that. The strain on their marriage from all of the public pressure must be enormous.


There's been too much of that kind of thing in this case already, like with Exhibit 500. "Ooh, Damien had problems as a teen. He must be a murderer." That's crazy logic, just as it would be crazy to assume that, should the marriage fail, it would be because Damien killed Christopher, Michael and Stevie. It simply doesn't follow.

I agree with you on this point. I don't think their marriage failing would be indicative of the guilt of DE.

I do think it's possible that they will grow apart. Just from my limited reading about them, it doesn't seem they have much in common other than the drive for his release from prison.
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I agree with you on this point. I don't think their marriage failing would be indicative of the guilt of DE.

I do think it's possible that they will grow apart. Just from my limited reading about them, it doesn't seem they have much in common other than the drive for his release from prison.
I just finished reading Damien's new book, Life After Death, and I now feel that the marriage is strong. In the book, he discusses how their relationship grew and what they share. Although it is true that getting Damien released was a compelling drive that they both shared, they also had very similar philosophies on many other things as well. Plus, there's still the push for exoneration to bind them. I hope that the marriage works, but it wouldn't be that surprising if it didn't!
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this doc is being shown at a festival in NYC tomorrow. im going...so are damien, lorrie etc for a Q&A.....should be interesting
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