The Theater and the Shooting - Page 22

rollinginit · #**526** 08-28-2012, 02:51 PM

They allege the Giving first.org.did not give funds to the victims families...instead they sent the money to non profits org.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/28...lies-speak-out

DeadCat · #**527** 08-30-2012, 08:31 PM

So, if he was the cel phone caller in the theater, was it the Psychiatrist whom he was calling???? (See news report--called psychiatrist 9 min. before shooting)

February · #**528** 08-30-2012, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadCat

So, if he was the cel phone caller in the theater, was it the Psychiatrist whom he was calling???? (See news report--called psychiatrist 9 min. before shooting)

Looks like defense have phone records now

DeadCat · #**529** 08-30-2012, 08:55 PM

Hard to talk on cell phone while wearing a gas mask, no? So, I assume he put this on after making cel phone call. Wonder if defense proved he made the call from records or if he just said so.

February · #**530** 08-30-2012, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadCat

Hard to talk on cell phone while wearing a gas mask, no? So, I assume he put this on after making cel phone call. Wonder if defense proved he made the call from records or if he just said so.

He may have call her when he exited the theater like how corbin (witness) described.

newsleuther · #**531** 08-31-2012, 11:54 AM

Yes, the call could have been made prior to exiting the theater - as some people said, they saw someone on a cell phone leaving via the exit.

newsleuther · #**532** 08-31-2012, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadCat

Hard to talk on cell phone while wearing a gas mask, no? So, I assume he put this on after making cel phone call. Wonder if defense proved he made the call from records or if he just said so.

It must be from phone records for them to specifically state 9 minutes

DeadCat · #**533** 08-31-2012, 08:19 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...00b_story.html

Sounds like they have phone records from the Hospital and defense claims...

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Attorney Tamara Brady said Holmes made the call nine minutes before he is accused of opening fire at a Batman movie premiere, killing 12 people and injuring 58. Brady provided no evidence at the hearing to support that claim, and she did not immediately return a message Friday.

Hospital marketing director Brad Fixler said the switchboard did receive a seven-second call at 12:31 a.m. on July 20, about eight minutes before 911 dispatchers began receiving calls about the shooting. But he said the caller hung up without saying anything.

“We did not receive any calls asking specifically for Dr. Fenton nor any other psychiatrist at our hospital,” Fixler said.

HastingsChi · #**534** 09-01-2012, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by February

He may have call her when he exited the theater like how corbin (witness) described.

Well Corbin didn't describe Holmes leaving the theatre and based on Corbin's statements he sure noticed that person a couple times... but I know what you're saying Feb.

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DeadCat · #**535** 09-01-2012, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by HastingsChi

Well Corbin didn't describe Holmes leaving the theatre and based on Corbin's statements he sure noticed that person a couple times... but I know what you're saying Feb.

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Corbin also left for a bit to get his gf in the lobby. So, he might have missed something.

HastingsChi · #**536** 09-01-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadCat

Corbin also left for a bit to get his gf in the lobby. So, he might have missed something.

True. To be honest I was just being snarky...

Btw has anyone checked the phone records against the timeline?

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DeadCat · #**537** 09-01-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HastingsChi

True. To be honest I was just being snarky...

Btw has anyone checked the phone records against the timeline?

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HastingsChi, are you talking about the CNN timeline? The UC hospital said the call was made at 12:31 (really sounds planned, no? "set plan in motion at 12:30. Make phone call. Get dressed. Enter")

Seems to mesh up, no? But not sure it meshes with the "cell phone guy's" phone call--that all happened before the movie began, didn't it? I need to review Date's account. Or course who knows what they mean by "the movie had been underway?" Previews can take 20 minutes!

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/...ing/index.html

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Approximately 12:37 a.m. -- Witnesses say the movie has been under way about 20 minutes in Theater 9 when an exit door to the right of the screen opens and a man walks in. They say he is dressed all in black and wearing what appears to be a bullet-proof vest and a gas mask. He throws something, which begins hissing and emitting smoke. Witnesses say the suspect shoots into the ceiling and then starts firing into the crowd. Pandemonium follows as people start scrambling to get out, hide under the seats and escape any way they can.

12:39 a.m. -- Aurora police say dozens, perhaps hundreds, of calls start flooding 911. The dispatcher calls to units: "They're saying someone is shooting in the auditorium."

DeadCat · #**538** 09-01-2012, 02:42 PM

Do I have this right? A lot happened in few minutes. The chaos must have been unbelieveable.

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/nat...orado-shooting

At 12:05 the movie starts in Theater 9
At 12:31, the phone call is made
At 12:39, gas is released in the theater, shooting happens in Theater 9, bullets also fly into Theater 8, some people run out Exit door to 8, 12 killed/58 wounded, gun jams, JH goes outside, sees people out there, chases them back inside (via theater 8 exit door), gets himself locked out and then heads to his car to wait.
At 12:45 Police dispatch notes suspect in car.

This sounds like some of the links someone posted about dyphoric mania where people described just wanting to kill a bunch of people. No sense in any of it. No need to kill everyone--just wanted to shoot off a few rounds to feel better or something. (I don't really know anything about dyphoric mania or hearing voices--do people report that after they do the terrible things the voices say, do they somehow feel "better"?) Ugh. Sad for victims (all of them).

HastingsChi · #**539** 09-01-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadCat

HastingsChi, are you talking about the CNN timeline? The UC hospital said the call was made at 12:31 (really sounds planned, no? "set plan in motion at 12:30. Make phone call. Get dressed. Enter")

Seems to mesh up, no? But not sure it meshes with the "cell phone guy's" phone call--that all happened before the movie began, didn't it? I need to review Date's account. Or course who knows what they mean by "the movie had been underway?" Previews can take 20 minutes!

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/...ing/index.html

I was referring to the well fact checked, to the second timeline that I assumed someone here may have developed and is very familiar with; I don't know if such a timeline exists but trust my fellow WSers more than other sources...

I guess I asked that with the question of "Did he have time to change clothing and put on tactical gear between the call and the first shot?" noting that tactical gear doesn't go on as quick as sweatpants and a t shirt...

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HastingsChi · #**540** 09-01-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadCat

At 12:05 the movie starts in Theater 9
At 12:31, the phone call is made
At 12:39, gas is released in the theater, shooting happens in Theater 9, bullets also fly into Theater 8,

IMO this timeline doesn't allow the time to put on tactical gear, get weapons, do whatever one has to do to the gas things to get them in a "live"/"armed" state.

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DeadCat · #**541** 09-01-2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HastingsChi

IMO this timeline doesn't allow the time to put on tactical gear, get weapons, do whatever one has to do to the gas things to get them in a "live"/"armed" state.

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Well, he could have had everything on except the head gear before he made the call.

HastingsChi · #**542** 09-01-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadCat

Well, he could have had everything on except the head gear before he made the call.

If he was already in tactical gear, it adds another layer to the question which would now be:
"How is it possible that no one noticed the tall guy with the buggy eyes and the most awful looking orange dyed hair in America who happened to be dressed like a SWAT team member?"

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ladeda7777 · #**543** 09-01-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadCat

Do I have this right? A lot happened in few minutes. The chaos must have been unbelieveable.

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/nat...orado-shooting

At 12:05 the movie starts. He goes in and sits in front by the exit.
AT 12:15-12:20.Phone in hand leaves the theater Gets in car, drives to darker more secluded area in the shopping center. Gets dressed,arranges guns for easy access leaves and drives and parks the car again at theater 9. I really think it's less than 5 min to do this.
At 12:31, the phone call is made - (the phone call is hesitation)
At 12:31- he waits, sitting in the car (hesitation). He finally gets out of the car and enters the building.
At 12:39, gas is released in the theater, shooting happens in Theater 9, bullets also fly into Theater 8, some people run out Exit door to 8, 12 killed/58 wounded, gun jams, JH goes outside, sees people out there, chases them back inside (via theater 8 exit door), gets himself locked out and then heads to his car to wait.
At 12:45 Police dispatch notes suspect in car.

This sounds like some of the links someone posted about dyphoric mania where people described just wanting to kill a bunch of people. No sense in any of it. No need to kill everyone--just wanted to shoot off a few rounds to feel better or something. (I don't really know anything about dyphoric mania or hearing voices--do people report that after they do the terrible things the voices say, do they somehow feel "better"?) Ugh. Sad for victims (all of them).

dyphoric mania - I've been looking at this today and I don't think it's what's wrong. It's much more than that. I do think he's schiziod or it is schizophrenia.

February · #**544** 09-01-2012, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ladeda7777

dyphoric mania - I've been looking at this today and I don't think it's what's wrong. It's much more than that. I do think he's schiziod or it is schizophrenia.

I read one of the blog of a woman that have this disorder

http://bipolarhappens.com/bhblog/bp-...-hate-my-life/

But I’ve never had a lot of dysporic mania which is probably why I missed this off and on six week episode.

For weeks I said I was unhappy, miserable, bored, worn out and sick of my work. I kept saying, “I just want to get out of here. I want to leave Portland. I’ve got to get on a plane and leave this awful life!” My therapist said, “I’ve never seen you this bad Julie. You’re negative about everything. This isn’t you!” I said, “Yes, it is. You don’t understand. I’ve got to get out of here!”
A week ago I woke up and felt truly stable. I simply got out of bed and did my thing without a struggle and that’s when it hit me.

It was dysphoric mania – sneaky and deadly.

I’m glad it’s over. And I’m glad I didn’t get on a plane like I have so many times in the past.

DeadCat · #**545** 09-01-2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HastingsChi

If he was already in tactical gear, it adds another layer to the question which would now be:
"How is it possible that no one noticed the tall guy with the buggy eyes and the most awful looking orange dyed hair in America who happened to be dressed like a SWAT team member?"

Good point, HC. I'm just not convinced he was "Cell Phone Guy." I think CPG could have been someone entirely unrelated. Coincidence. Someone's eyewitness account said that they saw the door kicked open.

HastingsChi · #**546** 09-01-2012, 08:42 PM

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Good point, HC. I'm just not convinced he was "Cell Phone Guy." I think CPG could have been someone entirely unrelated. Coincidence. Someone's eyewitness account said that they saw the door kicked open.

I absolutely agree. There is absolutely nothing in evidence, witness statements/interviews or leaked info in which Holmes is identified as being in the theatre prior to the shooting.

Btw in the timeline we forgot to allocate time for Holmes to shave the goatee, get taller and other modifications Holmes would need to do to match the description of cell phone guy.

DeadCat · #**547** 09-01-2012, 09:30 PM

Thinking about the timeline and reread this (Lucero was in a different theater):

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Sophomore integrative physiology major Jared Lucero, 19, was at the movie theater the night of the massacre and was shocked to hear that a former CU student was the suspect.

Lucero arrived approximately 15 minutes before Holmes and parked his car behind the theater where Holmes supposedly parked. Lucero’s car, now a part of the crime scene, was impounded for three days.

"arrived 15 minutes before Holmes"??? Anyone have an idea what this could mean? Or is it just reporting license... How does anyone know when JH arrived?

http://www.cuindependent.com/2012/08...olorado/34765/

HastingsChi · #**548** 09-01-2012, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadCat

Thinking about the timeline and reread this (Lucero was in a different theater):

"arrived 15 minutes before Holmes"??? Anyone have an idea what this could mean? Or is it just reporting license... How does anyone know when JH arrived?

http://www.cuindependent.com/2012/08...olorado/34765/

A couple things:
- The article is from the college newspaper and the article coincides with students returning from summer break; in this case my guess is the sophomore whose car was impounded said it and the writer didn't double source it.

- Also, with the various reports of Holmes activities ranging from him parking behind the theatre upon arrival to moving the car after determining the theatre the film was being screened to moving the car right before the shooting; who knows when he arrived... And who knows why LE felt it necessary to break/shatter the car's back side window if Holmes was arrested without incident....

DeadCat · #**549** 09-02-2012, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by HastingsChi

A couple things:
- The article is from the college newspaper and the article coincides with students returning from summer break; in this case my guess is the sophomore whose car was impounded said it and the writer didn't double source it.

So, I'm the sophomore who parked in the back. I arrived about 15 min. before JH. How do I KNOW this to say it to a reporter? Am I hanging out in back, waiting for CPG to let me in? He does eventually, but no one notices me sneak in AND I've been out back waiting long enough to SEE JH arrive?

DeadCat · #**550** 09-02-2012, 03:22 AM

Hmmm....theater door probably not "kicked in" as doors open outward.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8...i5nfo2_400.jpg