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Travis Alexander Trial - The State vs. Jodi Arias Jodi Arias is accused of shooting her ex-boyfriend in the face, stabbing him multiple times and slitting his throat from ear to ear. Her attorneys will argue she killed him in self-defense.


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Oh dear. 70+ pages of posts from the time my migraine forced me off online.

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I have a thought that's probably been mentioned but I haven't come across it. I hesitate to mention it because it's about the casing and where it was found, and I sure don't want to start the "which wound was first" debate.
The casing may have been floated up like filling a bathtub with a floating toy or a pool with a raft. The item is on the bottom. When the fluid (blood or water) reaches the item it "lifts" it and the item rests on the surface.
(okay, so it's not a mind-blowing revelation, lol)

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I'm just kicking back, waiting for the day when something happens at a hotel front desk, so that I can finally get verified, too!

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Lisa Perry testified there was no blood on the top of the casing FWIW. (In my mind there'd be at least residue even if gravity weighted the blood but hey, I'm no CSI. )
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How cool! That makes us both verified experts in waiting!

I try to follow these threads in between the busy times, checking in guests. Easy to get distracted. I think that explains why so many of my posts don't really even make sense!
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The very fact that this portion of his brain was mush I would think would support the fact that there was significant brain damage from the bullet.

If you listen to the doctor's testimony it will become clear that he did say for 100% certainty that he knows what type of damage was done to TA's brain from that bullet passing through and ending up where it did. I tend to believe him because of the number of autopsies he has performed and the fact that he has a medical degree. Not sure why there is so much mistrust of his findings. jmo
Not to be gross, but the brain liquifies shortly after death - no matter what the cause of death was.
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Lisa Perry testified there was no blood on the top of the casing FWIW. (In my mind there'd be at least residue even if gravity weighted the blood but hey, I'm no CSI. )
No tomatoes!

I know it's far-fetched but it worked when I tried it in the bathtub!
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Oh geeze I should have known this would come back at me...there are many gun shot wounds to the head and people live. I'm not sure how to articulate this but to say this ME said that decomp played a roll that he wasnt sure of, so therefore he had to go based on an EDUCATED guess. After all he hasent experienced this himself so he has to go on what? Still be sure of my position that she is guilty I just can't see JA overpowering TA with a knife IF he saw it coming so ALL I'm saying is gun shot first. NOT JA innocent!
First, I am not attacking you. However, I am curious... have you actually listened to ALL of the ME's testimony? He explained this in a very detailed manner. Just because the brain was decomposing, he still knows what part of the brain would have been there.
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No tomatoes!

I know it's far-fetched but it worked when I tried it in the bathtub!
Um, okay. If you were using a .25 casing and human blood I believe you might be going above and beyond the call of duty in Websleuths experimentation.

(StephanieW was dragging her poor husband through the house to prove she could; Nurse kept a pizza box in her trunk during summer; and I wore my daughter's two sizes too small shoes! The things we do for our cases, I tell ya! )
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Um, okay. If you were using a .25 casing and human blood I believe you might be going above and beyond the call of duty in Websleuths experimentation.

(StephanieW was dragging her poor husband through the house to prove she could; Nurse kept a pizza box in her trunk during summer; and I wore my daughter's two sizes too small shoes! The things we do for our cases, I tell ya! )
If I had a .25 casing I would definitely try it!
Hmmm...I do have a shotgun shell
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Here's the curriculum vitae of our good doctor, for those interested. And I'm not posting it just because it also has a picture of him. Really. No, really.

http://path.upmc.edu/people/residents/horn/horn-cv.html

As an aside though I believe the ME's testimony is only part of the puzzle. Initially there was some confusion as to which wound came first. Even the lead detective assumed the GSW was first because logically it should be. However blood spatter analysis in addition to ME testimony seems to suggest it was the stab to the chest, followed by multiple stab wounds, slit throat and finally the gunshot.
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I firmly believe JA chose the knife because it wouldn't be heard by anyone. The gun was purely her back-up and she felt forced to use it.

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Here's the curriculum vitae of our good doctor, for those interested. And I'm not posting it just because it also has a picture of him. Really. No, really.

http://path.upmc.edu/people/residents/horn/horn-cv.html

As an aside though I believe the ME's testimony is only part of the puzzle. Initially there was some confusion as to which wound came first. Even the lead detective assumed the GSW was first because logically it should be. However blood spatter analysis in addition to ME testimony seems to suggest it was the stab to the chest, followed by multiple stab wounds, slit throat and finally the gunshot.
Good grief that list hasn't been updated since 1999!!?
I'm thinking the dude knows his stuff, i.e., he has an impressive list of qualifications.
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If the jurors are having reactions AT ALL similar to ours, the defense should be very worried.

I am nervous to see how the defense is going to spin all of this. They are going to brutalize poor Travis all over again, I fear. I believe that this will backfire horribly, but what other strategy have they been left with, thanks to Jodi?

I am just stunned by this calculating manipulative lying murderer. Stunned.
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I have not heard about the bullet case, but I do know if the gun was a semi-automatic, the casing would fly out of the gun onto the floor. It could go quite a few feet in any direction depending on how she held the gun. When she finally dragged him back to the shower, blood could have easily got on the casing.
No blood on the casing but there was plenty underneath it. This is a good photo showing the casing:


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I'm somewhat in agreement. I think she wanted to go "convince" him that she was the one, and if he disagreed, maybe go out Romeo and Juliet style. I don't think she intended to kill him while driving there, but was prepared for that scenario. I think she wanted to see how things went and was sure she'd be able to win him back. And obviously, things didn't go as expected.
To my mind even preparing for such a scenario is intending to kill someone. The only other case I remember such resolute premeditation was when the perpetrator dug a hole for the body prior to murdering the victim. JMO

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No, she's not and never was legally insane
Not to even begin to mention the legal burden to prove insanity is incredibly high. Precious few defendants are successful with such a claim.

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Ok I don't believe I'm saying this but it seems shooting first would be easy. Meaning less chance of TA defending himself and more chance of her gaining the upper hand. I'm just thinking TA could see knife and deflect it in time unless his eyes were closed. I'm not sure why but in her lie I think she may have told the truth, she shot him first stunning him and then went for the knife.
He was wet, naked, and with someone he trusted enough to have in his home. I don't see why the element of surprise couldn't have factored in here.

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Jodi mentioned Travis used to shave the old fashioned way . . . another poster postulated earlier today that he might have used an old straight edge razor.... maybe she just meant he didn't use an electric razor. One thing for sure . . . I would hope he wouldn't use a straight razor when doing his manscaping (oh my!)

I don't remember seeing any razors on the sink area . . . .they might have been put away - anyone remember if there was a brush and shaving cream cup or anything of the like?

ETA - I guess a straight razor would not have left the puncture wounds though
Travis' Myspace profile picture shows him using a run of the mill razor (not straight).

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I firmly believe JA chose the knife because it wouldn't be heard by anyone. The gun was purely her back-up and she felt forced to use it.

JMO
I agree and I believe the tassel and fibers collected back this theory. (Pillow as silencer.)
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Dang it! I swore I would never get involved in another trial. I got sucked in to this one. I read on another forum last night, and I happen to agree.... There is most definitely a "Deadly Women" episode in Jodi's future.

I swear, I keep expecting the state to show pictures of a boiling bunny soon.

I happen to believe she used the knife first. Stabbed him a few times, he made it to the sink, she started stabbing him again. He tried to get down the hall. They were struggling. He couldn't run but he was trying to protect himself (maybe) and was crawling down the hallway. She probably ran in the bedroom and got the gun out of her purse then shot him. She might have shot him b/c she didn't think he was dying quick enough or was scared he wasn't dying at all b/c he was still moving.

Watching her interviews yesterday made me think of that quote: I have the right to remain silent, but not the ability.

It was painful to watch. I felt terrible for Travis' family. Heartbroken. I can't imagine the hell they are living right now and I know it's going to get worse as this goes on. I pray that the Good Lord gives them strength.
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Travis' Myspace profile picture shows him using a run of the mill razor (not straight).


I agree and I believe the tassel and fibers collected back this theory. (Pillow as silencer.)

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I can't see the picture that well, but if the razor is silver (usually stainless steel)...it is a straight razor. My hubby uses them. It looks like a regular razor, but it's not. It's loaded with a straight blade.

My hubby has the one that looks like a switchblade, but he also has one that looks like a regular razor. You just get a straight blade and pop it in. Some men feel more comfortable using straight edges that way b/c it has a safety device on it. The razorblade type is pretty scary to use. LOL

Most men keep the soap/soap bowl/ and blades in something instead of out on the counter. There are nice devices you can buy to display them on your counters, though. My husband swears he wouldn't ever use disposable razors again.
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Reminder for all new members we cannot sleuth peeps that aren't named victim or perpetrator (with a few case specific exceptions) BUT for those wondering who Dustin & Ashley Thompson are (cell records were court ordered according to Mesa PD) Ashley is a friend of Travis' on Myspace.

You can't sleuth her though. So take it FWIW.
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1. Can someone think of a temporary medical condition I can have to allow me a leave of absence from work M-Th afternoons for 3 months? I'm never going to catch up with this trial at night!

2. What's the Iphone app that has been discussed? I may try listening at work and hiding my ear phones so nobody can see!

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Has the autopsy report been released? I did some google searching but caught glimpses of the photos (which I don't want to see). Is the text of the report available?
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I can't see the picture that well, but if the razor is silver (usually stainless steel)...it is a straight razor. My hubby uses them. It looks like a regular razor, but it's not. It's loaded with a straight blade.

My hubby has the one that looks like a switchblade, but he also has one that looks like a regular razor. You just get a straight blade and pop it in. Some men feel more comfortable using straight edges that way b/c it has a safety device on it. The razorblade type is pretty scary to use. LOL

Most men keep the soap/soap bowl/ and blades in something instead of out on the counter. There are nice devices you can buy to display them on your counters, though. My husband swears he wouldn't ever use disposable razors again.
Never used one but this is what I consider a straight razor:


It's pretty easy to tell because you hold the blade differently. To me the Myspace pic looks to be a Schick, Gillette, etc. one would pick up at Walgreen's. That being said you could well be right.
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1. Can someone think of a temporary medical condition I can have to allow me a leave of absence from work M-Th afternoons for 3 months? I'm never going to catch up with this trial at night!

2. What's the Iphone app that has been discussed? I may try listening at work and hiding my ear phones so nobody can see!

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Has the autopsy report been released? I did some google searching but caught glimpses of the photos (which I don't want to see). Is the text of the report available?
The text of the report isn't available that I know of. If you'd like the bulk of the ME's testimony though without photos to worry about you can check out this blog. http://callsforjustice.wordpress.com...ial-day-three/
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Never used one but this is what I consider a straight razor:


It's pretty easy to tell because you hold the blade differently. To me the Myspace pic looks to be a Schick, Gillette, etc. one would pick up at Walgreen's. That being said you could well be right.
Yes, that's one and this is one. They both use straight razors.

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