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Travis Alexander Trial - The State vs. Jodi Arias Jodi Arias is accused of shooting her ex-boyfriend in the face, stabbing him multiple times and slitting his throat from ear to ear. Her attorneys will argue she killed him in self-defense.


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Old 02-19-2013, 11:46 AM
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Gosh... I have not avidly followed this trial and it seems like it's a real good one too. Trials become hyper interesting when the defendant testifies. Maybe it's good that I'm not engaed in this thing because I can become way too emotionally invested and I dont have the time to get pissed off at people whom I do not know.
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From Jodi's murder testimony:


Jodi: I was taking pictures. I was probably a few feet from the shower so the water didn't get on the camera, and, um, I was showing him the photos and we were deleting some, and at one point when I went to delete the photos, as I moved the camera, it slipped out of my hand, and I went to -- it didn't fall right away, I kind of caught it, like a football, it bounced and I almost caught it, but I didn't catch it and it landed on the mat, and then it rolled onto the tile.

Nurmi: Where were you when this took place, relative to the shower?

Jodi: I was crouched by the shower, I might have been on the mat or on the edge of the mat.

N: SO what happens after you drop the camera?

J: At that point, Travis flipped out again, and he stood up and he stepped out of the shower and he picked me up - I was crouching, but he lifted me up as he was screaming that I was a stupid idiot, and he "body slammed" me again on the tile. He told me that a five-year-old can hold a camera better than I can. As he was screaming at me there was spit coming out, or maybe it was water, but I was getting wet, and when I hit the tile, I rolled over on the side and started running down the hallway.

And I don't know why I didn't run out of the room. I ran into the closet because the door was open was my thought. Last time I ran down the hallway, he caught me before I got to the door, and that was another incident in the summer, so I guess I went in the closet.

[long drawn out explanation of August 2007 incident that Jodi is mentioning for the first time ever -- not transcribed because it's boring and seems like it's made up for dramatic effect]

Nurmi: Moving back to June 4, before we continue on this story, I want to talk to you about a couple of exhibits, the first being exhibit 160 .... was that a picture that you intentionally took

Jodi: No, it wasn't intentional. It got deleted.

N: Looking at exhibit 161 (ceiling pic), was this a picture you intentionally took?

J: No, I didn't take that one.

N: Showing you exhibit number 159 (Travis' face in shower), to your recollection is that the last picture that you intentionally took of Travis Alexander?

J: I took it intentionally, I don't know what order they were in.

N: When he slammed you down onto the ground, after you dropped the camera, how do you feel?

J: I was scared. I was thinking "crap" because this - it's everything I was trying to avoid downstairs when he started getting mad. I was doing everything I could to avoid that, and I still didn't avoid it, I still screwed it up, and now he's pissed again. So he's freaking out, I'm freaking out. I rolled, like I said, I rolled off to my left and began to run down the hallway, and I could hear him following, I could hear his footsteps chasing me.

N: Were you scared when he was chasing you?

J: Yeah, I didn't want him to grab me again

N: What were you scared that he would do?

J: Who knows? At that point he had already almost killed me. I wasn't thinking when he almost killed me before that I was gonna possibly die, I was just thinking I couldnt breathe, no air, that's all I could think of before I passed out, but it was later on I realized I could have died if he had just held on to my neck a little longer, so I didn't want that to happen, obviously, so I ran into the closet, and I slammed the door, and I intended to run through the opposite end of the door because it has another exit, and as soon as I got in there and began to run, I remembered where he kept a gun, so I grabbed it. I jumped up on the shelf. He kept it on the very top. I grabbed it and then I ran out the other door as he opening the door. And he ran, chasing me, and I turned around and pointed it at him so that he would stop chasing me

N: Jodi, I want to show you what's been marked as exhibit number 70 (picture of closet), do you recognize that area?

J: Yes.

N: What is that?

J: His closet.

N: You said that you grabbed the gun from the closet. Can you point to us where the gun was?

J: It's not shown in this picture, but it's up at the very top - above that ...

N: Ok, then let me show you what's been entered as exhibit 69. Does this show the area from which you grabbed the gun?

J: Yes.

N: Would you point to that for us, Jodi?

J: It was up there in the corner, kind of right up there

N: You told us that you knew the gun was there. How did you know that?

J: I had known he had it. I found it one day when -- he used to give me projects when I would clean. Sometimes it was the floorboards, sometimes it was light fixtures, and this day it was the closet shelves. I had to pull everything off the shelves and dust it all, so I got onto the top shelf. There was -- I don't know if it was shown in that picture, but there's also a seat, so I moved the seat around to stand on it to get up there, and it was up there.

N: Ok, so you told us that you grabbed the gun, and got out through the closet, correct?

J: Yes

N: I want to show you what's been marked as exhibit 162 (picture of Travis bleeding). Jodi, look at that picture please. How do we get to that point in time? What happened between the time that you grabbed the gun...

J: I don't know how that picture was taken

N: I'm not asking you how the picture was taken, I'm asking you what happened in between the time you grabbed the gun and what we see here - what happened?

J: When I grabbed the gun, I ran out of the closet - he was chasing me. I turned around, we were in the middle of the bathroom, I pointed it at him with both of my hands. I thought that would stop him. If someone were pointing a gun at me, I would stop, but he just kept running - he got like a linebacker, he got kind of low and grabbed my waist, but before he did that, as he was lunging at me the gun went off. I didn't mean to shoot him or anything. I didn't even think I was holding the trigger. I just was pointing it at him, and I didn't even know that I shot him. It just went off and he lunged at me and we fell really hard against the tile toward the other wall, like kind of near the scales, or whatever those things are.

So at this point, I didn't even know if he had been shot. I didn't see anything different, he was just -- we were struggling and wrestling, and he's a wrestler, he had wrestled in high school, and he was getting on top of me, and I didn't want him to get on top of me because when he had done that in the past, I can't get out of those holds that he gets -- so he's grabbing at my clothes, and I got up, and he's just screaming angry, and after I broke away from him, he said "****in' kill you *****."

N: Before he lunged at you, was he yelling at you and threatening you to your recollection?

J: Well, he was chasing me and he was pissed off

N: Ok, do you remember him yelling or saying anything

J: He was calling me names because I dropped his camera

N: Do you remember what those were?

J: Well, I remember him calling me a ****ing idiot, and I remember him telling me a five year old can hold a camera better than me

N: Do you remember saying anything to him as he lunged at you?

J: I don't think so, I was just crying and running and I pointed it at him, assuming he would get the idea to stop. He just wouldn't stop

N: What do you mean he wouldn't stop?

J: Well, after the gun went off, I thought "crap" because now he's really going to be pissed. I didn't even know that I shot him; I thought I shot a hole in the wall and I'm thinking he's really going to be pissed even more now. And he's telling me he's going to kill me, and I think that I - after he said that, he had almost killed me before, and

N: And what?

J: There's a lot of that day I don't remember. There are a lot of gaps. I don't remember the poses of the pictures. I remember them now that I've seen the pictures, but I didn't remember them until I saw them. I remember taking pictures, I just don't remember the pictures themselves, even though we looked at them, and now I see them and I remember them.

N: Let me ask you this, getting back to that moment in time, not the poses or anything else, you told us that he said, "kill you, *****" and you were underneath him trying to get away

J: He said that right after I broke away from him

N: Ok, right after you broke away from him. Once you broke away from him, what do you remember?

J: Almost nothing for a long time. There are some things that have come back over years, but I don't know if those are things I'm thinking from before or if it's that day; it's confusing, it's like a huge gap, like I don't know if I blacked out or what. There's a huge gap, and the most clear memory I have after that point is driving in the desert, but there are certain little things that have come back, like pictures in my mind that come back since then

N: Let me ask you this. Do you remember stabbing Travis Alexander?

J: I have no memory of stabbing him.

N: Do you remember, as we see here in exhibit 162, do you remember dragging him across the floor?

J: No. I just remember trying to get away from him.

N: I'm showing you exhibit 73; do you remember placing him in the shower?

J: shakes head -- Sorry, that's no.

N: You told us that after running away from him, you don't have any clear memories of what happened after that until hours later, right?

J: I have a few memories, but nothing super clear.

N: Tell us about those memories

J: I have a vague memory of putting the knife in the dishwasher, but I've put the knife in the dishwasher before so I'm pretty sure it was that day

N: Do you know where you got the knife from?

J: It was upstairs

N: Are you assuming that or do you remember that?

J: I'm assuming that. It hadn't been moved since he cut the rope. I don't think it had been touched by either of us since he used it to cut the rope

N: What else do you remember from after the time that you crawled out from underneath him

J: I remember I was in the bathroom - I remember dropping the knife and it clanged the tile, made a big noise, and I just remember screaming. I don't remember anything after that, not immediately.

N: Do you remember where he was when you were screaming?

J: I think he was next to me on the floor, I don't know.

N: Do you know where you were?

J: I was in the bathroom.

N: What else do you remember?

J: Not much

N: Does not much mean nothing?

J: I remember more the feeling of that time, not pictures and things that I can bring back

N: Tell us about the feeling

J: It was like mortal terror. It was like he - I pissed him off the worst I've ever seen him pissed off, and then I tried to stop him and I piss him off even more and I thought "*****" I'd really, really pissed him off, and he was angry at me and he was never going to stop.

N: What do you mean he wasn't going to stop?

J: He wasn't gong to stop. He wasn't stopping.

N: When you say he wasn't going to stop, did you feel that he was going to kill you?

J: For sure, when he said "Kill you", yes. He'd almost killed me before and now he was saying he was going to

N: So when he said that to you, you believed him because of past incidents?

(objection leading, rephrase)

N: Why did you believe him when he said, "kill you, b*tch"?

J: Because he had never said that before and he had taken me almost to that point without that threat and now he was clearly making that threat

N: You told us your last memory in Travis' bathroom was sitting on the bathroom floor screaming

J: I don't know if I was sitting or what, I just remember dropping it

N: Ok, dropping the knife?

J: Yes. I remember what was going through my head. I don't remember anything else after that.

N: What was going through your head?

J: That I couldn't believe - I just couldn't believe what had happened. I couldn't take anything back what had just happened, and it was like I couldn't rewind the clock

N: Did you realize all that had happened

J: I don't know about all, but I just remember dropping the knife and being very freaked out and screaming

N: After remembering that feeling and dropping the knife in the bathroom and some of the other memories you've shared with us, what is the next point in time for which you have a memory?

J: I remember driving - I thought I was driving west because I remember the sun was in my eyes for a while
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From Jodi's murder testimony:

Jodi Arias Trial - Day 20 - Part 1 - YouTube

Jodi: I was taking pictures. I was probably a few feet from the shower so the water didn't get on the camera, and, um, I was showing him the photos and we were deleting some, and at one point when I went to delete the photos, as I moved the camera, it slipped out of my hand, and I went to -- it didn't fall right away, I kind of caught it, like a football, it bounced and I almost caught it, but I didn't catch it and it landed on the mat, and then it rolled onto the tile.

Nurmi: Where were you when this took place, relative to the shower?

Jodi: I was crouched by the shower, I might have been on the mat or on the edge of the mat.

N: SO what happens after you drop the camera?

J: At that point, Travis flipped out again, and he stood up and he stepped out of the shower and he picked me up - I was crouching, but he lifted me up as he was screaming that I was a stupid idiot, and he "body slammed" me again on the tile. He told me that a five-year-old can hold a camera better than I can. As he was screaming at me there was spit coming out, or maybe it was water, but I was getting wet, and when I hit the tile, I rolled over on the side and started running down the hallway.

And I don't know why I didn't run out of the room. I ran into the closet because the door was open was my thought. Last time I ran down the hallway, he caught me before I got to the door, and that was another incident in the summer, so I guess I went in the closet.

[long drawn out explanation of August 2007 incident that Jodi is mentioning for the first time ever -- not transcribed because it's boring and seems like it's made up for dramatic effect]

Nurmi: Moving back to June 4, before we continue on this story, I want to talk to you about a couple of exhibits, the first being exhibit 160 .... was that a picture that you intentionally took

Jodi: No, it wasn't intentional. It got deleted.

N: Looking at exhibit 161 (ceiling pic), was this a picture you intentionally took?

J: No, I didn't take that one.

N: Showing you exhibit number 159 (Travis' face in shower), to your recollection is that the last picture that you intentionally took of Travis Alexander?

J: I took it intentionally, I don't know what order they were in.

N: When he slammed you down onto the ground, after you dropped the camera, how do you feel?

J: I was scared. I was thinking "crap" because this - it's everything I was trying to avoid downstairs when he started getting mad. I was doing everything I could to avoid that, and I still didn't avoid it, I still screwed it up, and now he's pissed again. So he's freaking out, I'm freaking out. I rolled, like I said, I rolled off to my left and began to run down the hallway, and I could hear him following, I could hear his footsteps chasing me.

N: Were you scared when he was chasing you?

J: Yeah, I didn't want him to grab me again

N: What were you scared that he would do?

J: Who knows? At that point he had already almost killed me. I wasn't thinking when he almost killed me before that I was gonna possibly die, I was just thinking I couldnt breathe, no air, that's all I could think of before I passed out, but it was later on I realized I could have died if he had just held on to my neck a little longer, so I didn't want that to happen, obviously, so I ran into the closet, and I slammed the door, and I intended to run through the opposite end of the door because it has another exit, and as soon as I got in there and began to run, I remembered where he kept a gun, so I grabbed it. I jumped up on the shelf. He kept it on the very top. I grabbed it and then I ran out the other door as he opening the door. And he ran, chasing me, and I turned around and pointed it at him so that he would stop chasing me

N: Jodi, I want to show you what's been marked as exhibit number 70 (picture of closet), do you recognize that area?

J: Yes.

N: What is that?

J: His closet.

N: You said that you grabbed the gun from the closet. Can you point to us where the gun was?

J: It's not shown in this picture, but it's up at the very top - above that ...

N: Ok, then let me show you what's been entered as exhibit 69. Does this show the area from which you grabbed the gun?

J: Yes.

N: Would you point to that for us, Jodi?

J: It was up there in the corner, kind of right up there

N: You told us that you knew the gun was there. How did you know that?

J: I had known he had it. I found it one day when -- he used to give me projects when I would clean. Sometimes it was the floorboards, sometimes it was light fixtures, and this day it was the closet shelves. I had to pull everything off the shelves and dust it all, so I got onto the top shelf. There was -- I don't know if it was shown in that picture, but there's also a seat, so I moved the seat around to stand on it to get up there, and it was up there.

N: Ok, so you told us that you grabbed the gun, and got out through the closet, correct?

J: Yes

N: I want to show you what's been marked as exhibit 162 (picture of Travis bleeding). Jodi, look at that picture please. How do we get to that point in time? What happened between the time that you grabbed the gun...

J: I don't know how that picture was taken

N: I'm not asking you how the picture was taken, I'm asking you what happened in between the time you grabbed the gun and what we see here - what happened?

J: When I grabbed the gun, I ran out of the closet - he was chasing me. I turned around, we were in the middle of the bathroom, I pointed it at him with both of my hands. I thought that would stop him. If someone were pointing a gun at me, I would stop, but he just kept running - he got like a linebacker, he got kind of low and grabbed my waist, but before he did that, as he was lunging at me the gun went off. I didn't mean to shoot him or anything. I didn't even think I was holding the trigger. I just was pointing it at him, and I didn't even know that I shot him. It just went off and he lunged at me and we fell really hard against the tile toward the other wall, like kind of near the scales, or whatever those things are.

So at this point, I didn't even know if he had been shot. I didn't see anything different, he was just -- we were struggling and wrestling, and he's a wrestler, he had wrestled in high school, and he was getting on top of me, and I didn't want him to get on top of me because when he had done that in the past, I can't get out of those holds that he gets -- so he's grabbing at my clothes, and I got up, and he's just screaming angry, and after I broke away from him, he said "****in' kill you *****."

N: Before he lunged at you, was he yelling at you and threatening you to your recollection?

J: Well, he was chasing me and he was pissed off

N: Ok, do you remember him yelling or saying anything

J: He was calling me names because I dropped his camera

N: Do you remember what those were?

J: Well, I remember him calling me a ****ing idiot, and I remember him telling me a five year old can hold a camera better than me

N: Do you remember saying anything to him as he lunged at you?

J: I don't think so, I was just crying and running and I pointed it at him, assuming he would get the idea to stop. He just wouldn't stop

N: What do you mean he wouldn't stop?

J: Well, after the gun went off, I thought "crap" because now he's really going to be pissed. I didn't even know that I shot him; I thought I shot a hole in the wall and I'm thinking he's really going to be pissed even more now. And he's telling me he's going to kill me, and I think that I - after he said that, he had almost killed me before, and

N: And what?

J: There's a lot of that day I don't remember. There are a lot of gaps. I don't remember the poses of the pictures. I remember them now that I've seen the pictures, but I didn't remember them until I saw them. I remember taking pictures, I just don't remember the pictures themselves, even though we looked at them, and now I see them and I remember them.

N: Let me ask you this, getting back to that moment in time, not the poses or anything else, you told us that he said, "kill you, *****" and you were underneath him trying to get away

J: He said that right after I broke away from him

N: Ok, right after you broke away from him. Once you broke away from him, what do you remember?

J: Almost nothing for a long time. There are some things that have come back over years, but I don't know if those are things I'm thinking from before or if it's that day; it's confusing, it's like a huge gap, like I don't know if I blacked out or what. There's a huge gap, and the most clear memory I have after that point is driving in the desert, but there are certain little things that have come back, like pictures in my mind that come back since then

N: Let me ask you this. Do you remember stabbing Travis Alexander?

J: I have no memory of stabbing him.

N: Do you remember, as we see here in exhibit 162, do you remember dragging him across the floor?

J: No. I just remember trying to get away from him.

N: I'm showing you exhibit 73; do you remember placing him in the shower?

J: shakes head -- Sorry, that's no.

N: You told us that after running away from him, you don't have any clear memories of what happened after that until hours later, right?

J: I have a few memories, but nothing super clear.

N: Tell us about those memories

J: I have a vague memory of putting the knife in the dishwasher, but I've put the knife in the dishwasher before so I'm pretty sure it was that day

N: Do you know where you got the knife from?

J: It was upstairs

N: Are you assuming that or do you remember that?

J: I'm assuming that. It hadn't been moved since he cut the rope. I don't think it had been touched by either of us since he used it to cut the rope

N: What else do you remember from after the time that you crawled out from underneath him

J: I remember I was in the bathroom - I remember dropping the knife and it clanged the tile, made a big noise, and I just remember screaming. I don't remember anything after that, not immediately.

N: Do you remember where he was when you were screaming?

J: I think he was next to me on the floor, I don't know.

N: Do you know where you were?

J: I was in the bathroom.

N: What else do you remember?

J: Not much

N: Does not much mean nothing?

J: I remember more the feeling of that time, not pictures and things that I can bring back

N: Tell us about the feeling

J: It was like mortal terror. It was like he - I pissed him off the worst I've ever seen him pissed off, and then I tried to stop him and I piss him off even more and I thought "*****" I'd really, really pissed him off, and he was angry at me and he was never going to stop.

N: What do you mean he wasn't going to stop?

J: He wasn't gong to stop. He wasn't stopping.

N: When you say he wasn't going to stop, did you feel that he was going to kill you?

J: For sure, when he said "Kill you", yes. He'd almost killed me before and now he was saying he was going to

N: So when he said that to you, you believed him because of past incidents?

(objection leading, rephrase)

N: Why did you believe him when he said, "kill you, b*tch"?

J: Because he had never said that before and he had taken me almost to that point without that threat and now he was clearly making that threat

N: You told us your last memory in Travis' bathroom was sitting on the bathroom floor screaming

J: I don't know if I was sitting or what, I just remember dropping it

N: Ok, dropping the knife?

J: Yes. I remember what was going through my head. I don't remember anything else after that.

N: What was going through your head?

J: That I couldn't believe - I just couldn't believe what had happened. I couldn't take anything back what had just happened, and it was like I couldn't rewind the clock

N: Did you realize all that had happened

J: I don't know about all, but I just remember dropping the knife and being very freaked out and screaming

N: After remembering that feeling and dropping the knife in the bathroom and some of the other memories you've shared with us, what is the next point in time for which you have a memory?

J: I remember driving - I thought I was driving west because I remember the sun was in my eyes for a while
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Ok guys, I am officially giving up on transcribing the "phone sex tape". If someone else wants to pick up where I left off, go for it. I finally realized that I just can't do this one anymore. I literally get nauseated just thinking that have it on my to-do list. Sorry guys.

This is the link to the recording that I was using and I noted the minutes of where I stopped at the end of this transcription.


This is what I have so far. (At one point I thought it was interesting to point out what Jodi was doing at the same time certain parts of the tape were played so I was putting that in with pink.)

Council please approach
Before the jury comes in, I want to address the gallery. The parties have agreed to the admission of exhibit 428. It is an audio recording. That audio recording will be played for the jury this afternoon. It does contain some very sensitive, sexually explicit matters. It is important that those of you in the gallery have no reaction whatsoever to anything that is played for this jury. If you believe that the materials on this particular audio recording are such that you would prefer not to be present Iím going to ask that you leave the courtroom now. The prosecutor has advised me that he has met with the family of the victim. That the family of the victim has had an opportunity to listen to the audio recording it is their desire that the audio recording be played in open court and they wish to be present. If any member of the family of the victim has a different position please raise your hand now and let me know. I see no hands. Ms Arias please come forward and take the stand. Please bring in the jury. Please be seated the record will show the presence of the jury, the defendant and all council. Ms Arias you are still under oath do you understand?

Yes.

Mr Nurmi you may continue with direct examination.

Thank you your honor. Uh, in conjunction with that before we begin questioning Ms Arias and pursuant to the stipulations previously made uh we are asking to publish whatís being marked as whatís been entered excuse me as exhibit 428.

You may do so.

***beginning of audio recording starts off with Jodi***

Ok what did you say Iím sorry?

I said why donít we just talk for a little bit about happy things and get normalized for a moment and then weíll see where it takes us.

<<Jodi-loud laugh>>Weíll see where it takes us. I like that. Like to get ?? Öget all happy and get normalized part.

Kick your shoes off, come on get happy. Yeah. Yeah. Itís going to be uh June through uh the beginning of June through like the beginning of July is going to be a busy time in Mr Alexanderís life

Yeah me too

And then the end of July too

Mmmhmm ok for me I might make a trip at the end of the month to Utah but I donít know if Iím game for it so itís like I donít know if Iíll do that. I want toÖ

Why would you go to Utah?

For to visit and see the sights and see my friends and all that

Why would you go and if youíre going to Daniel Summitís

Well thatís what Iím saying like itís just right around the corner so I may not. Maybe just to Daniel Summit but, I donít know weíll see likeÖ

Daniel who??

Summit. You know him well youíve met him more times than I have. <<strange giggle>> Heís funny so but yeah June youíre going to what Cancun and coming here but letís see what else are you doing?

<<Travis yawns>> Uh, Washington DC

Oh yeah thatís what Iím doingÖtuhhÖwell if I can afford it, Iíd like to go to WA DC but I think thatís out. What Iíd like to do though is Iím going to travel around with you and um if I have the money Iím going to go to the Team Freedom event which is in June and Iíve got places to stay in Palm Desert so thatís easy. No money there.

Hereís the problem that I have with the Team thing and you know that itís in Palm Springs right

Ok in the summer itís a really dumb place to stay in the summer

Yeah, yeah which is like a horrible place in the summer

Yeah

Number 2, their idea of social time is to get drunk

Not everybody

Praying would be awesome. I donít like those people. I respect them as business people but that is about it.

Really??

They donít have a soul.

<<strange giggle>> Are you serious?

Theyíre Godless itís lijke look into their eyes itís like dark

What about people like Tara? And Mark Smith?

Ok, Taraís nice and maybe thereís something there but like like I said I respect them um for what theyíve done in their businesses. I like them <<yawn>> as business associates but they donít have a soul.

Youíre crazy.

Look at Ďem all, tell me Iím trippin.

Awww I guess Iíve just gotten to know a few different people a little bit differently thatís all.

So like the people you got to know are the worst ones.

Awww Tara Postenbach (sp?)

Tara Postenbach is awesome

Ok I know you donít like Abe

Yeah well heís soulless heís like the top of the list

<<strange giggle>> I wouldnít call him soulless I would just call him like focused like business prudent

Heís not focused on business

Well I donít know

If heís focused on business heíd be a solid ED for starters.

He told me the other day that he hopes you get your ring

He told you the other day?

Yeah

How the hell did that come up?

Um because I went to I went to leave him a comment on his myspace because I havenít talked to him in like four months I was just going toÖhe left me one out of the blue after not talking to me for four months saying it said who what where or something and I was going to say the same thing back just to just to throw it out there kind of thing and I went to add put the add comment and it said you must be this users friend in order to make comments about them and Iím like what??? Heís always been my myspace friend and so I texted him and I said ďHeyĒ I said ďIíve got a bone to pick with youĒ and he wrote back ďWhat?Ē and I said ďYouíre not my myspace friend anymore!Ē and then the phone rang, it was him and heís like ďHey listen this is whyĒ heís like ďI deleted you from my friends because I just didnít want to be any part of your dramaÖyour drama with you and TravisĒ and I was like ďUh okĒ heís like ďItís nothing against you, I think you guys are both great people I just didnít want to be associated with thatĒ and I Ďs like heís like ďI hope you can understand that it has nothing to do with you, I think youíre a great girl I think Travis is an awesome businessman in fact I really hope he gets his ring I think thatíd be awesome because thatís just more stories that I can tellĒ and he said he just said in passing heís like ďBut, I hope you understandĒ and I was like ďWell, okĒ and then he saidÖ.

Well it was either that or just ??

What? What?

Thatís ??? right there

I know, I thought it was too. I thought it was too heís like I mean I see hedid bring that up though heís like ďI donít understand you know I see him in the bathroom and Iím a ghost to him like he doesnít even he looks right through me or IÖhe doesnít even see me or say hi to me.Ē And he said ďand I have no problem with that if itís gotta be that way then fine!Ē and heís like ďI have nothing against him.Ē And thatís when he said ďIn fact I hope you get his he gets his ringĒ thatís what he said.

<<Travis chuckling>> That means I intimidate him in the bathroom.

He said nothing but nice things about you but that he didnít want to be a part of my dramas and I was like ďokĒ

Heís a ghost to me because what am I supposed to say ďHey you kissed my girlfriendĒ wow, letís talk about that.

<<Jodi saying something unintelligible while laughing>> That was before I was your girlfriend, you are so cute.

Uhhh, nahhh, nah.

<<JA giggle>>

It wasnítÖwhat am I supposed to say you know what I mean? Am I supposed to say uh Hey, I just got uh ripped a new one Ďcause Iím drug check frickiní felony and and now uh youíre drunk and youíre frickiní trying to hook up with my girlfriend five months later? Ya know?

When was that?

Oklahoma, remember I was going to go beat him down?

Oh, he said something not so nice. He, it was a compliment, it was meant to be a compliment to me but it was an insult to you and I should have stuck stuck up for you I was I was timid and I was still Iím like that I need to work on that I need to beÖ

Yeah I always notice you take so much crap over Clancy and then you didnít stand up for me you were getting picked upÖ

No he was hanging all over meÖ

NoÖHey heyÖnot true. Not true, we donít need to go there, letís not even go there

Letís not go there then <<JA giggle>> We already said the other night that we are never going to go there again so letís let it go. Ok back to the Team Freedom thing um yeahÖ

This is why I intimidate him in the bathroom

**************JA starts to put her blazer back on at this point**************

<<JA loud giggle>> Youíre funny

I thought I was too Ďcause Ďcause I was right next to him and I put out the ĎIíll whip your A buddy if you say one word to meí

<<<<<<<<JA low giggle>>>>>>>> I think you grabbed my ass right in front of him when we were walking through the casino last trip to Vegas of í07. we walked by youíre like and you grabbed my butt and youíre like ďThere was Abe.Ē And I was like ďWhaaat??Ē like I love it when you grab my butt because it...it feels nice <<JA giggle>> but you only do it like when youíre trying to prove a point to somebody else.

Thatís not trueÖbut I always do it when Iím trying to prove a point to someone else
14:37
Thatís true

You, you can not say I donít work that booty

Oh never mind you do know how to work the booty

Your butt has gotten more attention than any woman on the face of the earth I want to add

<<JA giggle>> Well, it kind of screams for attention it sticks out

I love that butt it is theÖif they had asses of the planet awards it would win

Aawww I donít know about that but thank you

Nah it would and Iíll admit in so many categories it frickiní gets an A+

Youíre an A+

For example Iím not the frickiní tossed salad type to be honest but uh I would do it Iíd love doing it to you

And you have done it Eww, ew

I frickiní no Iíve more than done it Iíve frickiní done it

Youíve chomped Iíd say. Youíve uhÖgone to town like it was an all you can eat salad bar.

Yeah I went to town on it for like 45 minutes one night

Oh my gosh

Thatís a lot

Thatís the thing about you, you have the most incredible stamina that Iíve ever ever even dreamed of encountering. Itís just crazy like you Ö.

Yeah weíve had two and three hour sessions many times

Yeah we have. More than that even

Itís itís itís itís I think three and a half is like our tops or something

Oh yeah right <unintelligible>

Itís because I pace myself

<<<unintelligible>>> because I have that constant renewable of energy

Yeah. I uh you got renewableÖyou can just never stop. I am extracurricular so and Iím a giver so I donít mind recouping while Iím doing what I need to do to you soÖ

Iím a giver

I know, I agree honey

But I donít mind receiving while youíre doing the giving

And umm Iím glad and I like how you play whatever role you need to play

I like to role play, thatís fun.

You know if you need to you know handle me youíll handle me, if you need to be handled, youíll be handled.

Aahh I know and I know you love being handled but like if I had to put just one before the other, I like being handled <<giggle>> I like being handled but yeah I totally will handle you

Yeah, youíre uh <<unintelligible>> Mercy mercy me well we got on to this quicker than I thought we would.

Yeah I wonder how that happened.

<<unintelligible>> Iím uh Iím really into the <<unintelligible>>

Convention?

Event. Yeah

Are you coming up here before Cancun?

Yeah, that thatís my plan.

Um what is your itinerary youíre gonna are you going to do San Francisco or is that going to be another time?

No I think Iím going to do all of that stuff

Then youíll see me and weíll go Oregon coast and Crater Lake, Shakespeare <JA-long loud yawn> if that goes as planned and then and then I guess youíll go up to what see your friends in Washington or something

Iím not going to do all that.

Youíre the top of the list.

<giggle> In more ways than oneÖno just kidding <giggle> um ha ha that was funny

No, I laughed I laughed.

Um ok so then you would still drive back

Yeah. Iím going to yeah youíre the top of the list I I Iíd beÖthatís just too much like all that. What Iíll do is Iíll fly into Seattle and stay with my friends and uh go to British Columbia on that same trip

Ok are you going to be travelling abroad any time soon I mean other than Mexico of course?

Uh, well B.C.

Thatís not abroad, I mean international.

Oh, no. I might go to Argentina in September. Iíll probably go to Argentina in September like late September

Oh cool what brings you to Argentina?

Uh just Steve Vance [***?? Iím unsure of the name**] and a bunch of guys are going down there to live and uh I might go down there for like a month

Whoís going down to live?

Steve Vance and Danny Jones and a few other guys

Oh theyíre going to go down there and live? Thatís crazy Danny Jones moved to Virginia

Good. Heís just a waste of potential that guy

Massive potential and he just squanders it

Yeah heís a freakiní loss. He uh itís like his picture on facebook like are you the dumbest ass on the face of the earth

I havenít seen it recently what is it?

Itís him grabbing his crotch.

Oh yeah! I know I was thinking what are you 16 years old?

Seriously

Like it makes you wonder like are you a church member. <giggle> I mean Iím all for like the wild streak but donít broadcast it to the whole world.

Yeah I almost madeÖ put a frickiní interesting comment on that picture.

<JA yelp> Like what?

I almost put your mission president would be proud.

<shouting> You should! Why donít you?

Maybe I should.

He hasnít been back for even a year or barely a year I think heís been back. You should Travis donít be intimidated by him you would do that to anybody else why would you stop with him?

Why would you say Iím intimidated by Danny Jones?

I wouldnít, I didnít mean to imply that Iím just saying like like when Victor Ruiz when his friend apparently got a hold of his Helio and posted a bunch of stupid stuff you blasted him to Mars. YouÖand heís not even a church member to be held accountable.

Well, itís because he sent me an email and I took that as a personal insult

Oh. I thought he just sentÖposted a bulletin or something.

Uh maybe he maybe he did. I blasted Mario for sending me a maybe Iím getting those mixed up. Mario sent me some joke with the F word in it.

Oh yeah yeah yeah thatís what it was

And I ripped him to shreds and I ripped Victor to shreds.

Yeah so you can put a little mark on thereÖdonít do it if you donít want to Iím not trying to pressure you but IÖ

No I would prefer to probably do it with by emailing him rather than posting a comment because you know I donít wanna like humiliate him

I know butÖyeah I can

But then again heís already humiliated himself though hasnít he?

True heís heís begging for comments basically. He put that picture up for attention, heís asking for comments and uh <giggle> I think you should oblige. <giggle> But yeah if you want to do it privately, you did it privately with Mario and Victor soÖ but none the less you gotta <<unintelligible>> thatís funny, your mission president would be proud, that is funny. <giggle> Hey did you look at my new profile?

Thatís kind of a rude thing to say but, what?

Did you look at my profile picture?

Oh I totally forgot Iíll go look again at the desk.

Oh thatís ok you donít have to do it now. Itís kind of an average picture but Iím kind of hungry for pictures.

You got great pictures I donít know why you say that you got youíre like very photogenic

Well. I donít know Iím Iím not photogenic I just choose them carefully <giggle>

NahÖyouíre pretty.

Thank you.

You are just so attractive.

Iím getting used to myself I guess, in front of the camera.

You are just seriously now like Iíve never seen you look badÖin my life.

<giggle> yes you have. When I have puffy eyes and have cried off all my makeup.

You donít look bad then either you just look miserable. But you look hot soÖ

<giggle> That is funny that you say that, thank you.

Itís true, think about it..like itís think about this there have been many times where you are like miserable and Iíve likeÖraped you.

Thatís true weíve had lots of like make up time. That is true. But itís a good way for us to de-stress.

Yeah itís true weíve uh weíve done that in the uh middle of aÖlike when we were just pissed at each other.

Yeah we have havenít we?

Well, like it was like my, I thought I donít know a way out you knowÖ

Yeah there was one time I remember I think I kind of vaguely remember I mean I donít keep track of it about how many but there was a time where we were justÖI donít even know who initiated it, I think you did.

I did.

Yeah, other times weíve been like so discouraged with each other that I didnít think it like frickiní if we were injected with like aphrodisiacs it wouldnít work.

Well, it it it kind of puts things in perspective a little more because your mind gets off of it for a little while and when you do come back to the problem <<unintelligible>>

Yeah

But certainly the best times are when we just go for a frickiní romp sessionÖjust like go forever.

Youíre, youíre not joking I mean like like there are times when when we just I canít, Iím trying to think of an example. Thereís been a few times where Iíve been bold enough to just pull you onto the bed and start andÖoh my gosh do you remember that time I came to visit you when I was still living in California and I fell asleep on your chair next to your bed and you just like woke me up by pulling my pants off and totally licking my pussy?

Yeah.

I was so embarrassed because Iíd just like got my Brazilian on and I was like worried about what it looked like and I was like aaahhh and the lights were bright and they were on and I was all self conscious <giggle> but I remember that was hot. I was like I was totally tired and I was asleep and I would have been completely content just cuddling with you once we got into bed but <yelp> you had another agenda.

Yeah, you gotta admit though like thereís not many guys that would do that just for fun like you gotta admit that.

See thatís the thing like I donít know what the ratio is but I get the impression that theyíre I mean this is kind of an awkward subject to bring up but you know eventually weíre both going to remarry people and I just get the feeling that there arenít a lot of Mormon guys like that and there may or may notÖIím sure that there are plenty of freaky Mormon girls but are they the marrying type. I shouldnít say that, Iím just saying are they the type that youíd want to marry or are the guys out there the type that Iíd want to marry and and I donít know like I really would like to marry someÖa return missionary but like you someone who can be freaky like I just worry about that. There are plenty of nice people out there but likeÖaahhh I worry that I might feel like a wilting flower is all. Who never really blossomed to her full potential at least in the sexual realm. I feel like I have with you but still I have plenty of blossom time left and I want to live all those years being that way I donít know.

Yeah.

Thatís all.

Well, Iím Iím gonna enjoy your blossoms when I come up there.

Yeah. <giggle>

Iím going to tie you to a tree and put it in your ass by the way.

Whatís that?

Iím going to tie you to a tree and put it in your ass by the way.

Oh my gosh. That is so debasing. I like it <giggle>

Weíll go into the woods and zip tie your arms around a tree blindfold you and uh put the pict.. the camera on timer while recording this.

Oh my gosh! You are full of ideas.

Well, it takes creativity to top ourselves.

<giggle> It doesÖweíve gotten way creative in the past. I think we almost regret it though as far as the creativity and ideas go. Iím game for like almost everything you come up with um but you really are a well spring of ideas. You areÖlike quite the source.

When youÖjust think of how how I pounded you with a full tootsie roll pop as though it was nothing.

<giggle> I know.

You and your ass and pussy were tasty.

<giggle> You did, you put it all over me and then licked it off.

I did it was strongÖand the pop rocksÖI didnít like the pop rocks as much as I liked the tootsie roll pop though.

Yeah, yeah they were interesting.

When you were gone I could see that pop rocks got all over the place.

You know what I really liked was when we were in the bath with the candles and I had the braids.

Umhm.

And the bubblesÖI was on top

Oh I loved the braids.

I know, those are hot.

<<< 30:23 Ė 30:33 long silent pause in the recording>>>

I know I like it I donít know thereís justÖit is fun. I want you to do that more.

I want you to do that moreÖ

Alright weíll bothÖ

Öto me. Like you could ride my frickiní face like a horse.

Yeah?
We need to get some 69 pics too.

69 pics?

Yeah.

How will we do that?

Set timer.

Oh yeah! Youíre smart.

And uh Iíll give you some great shots of frickiní puttiní it in you. Like an actual putting it in you and like your reaction itíd beÖthe angles and uhÖthe whole bit.

Mmhmm

But you are right that in the bath ahh that was hot.

Oh when we took a bath together?

Uh huh.

That was, that was surreal like honestly and I think I mean maybe the candle light and the bubbles all had something to do with it but ahh you were amazing. You made me seriously you made me feel like a Goddess like I wasnít saying you were like worshiping me but you were you made me feel like I was the most freaking beautiful woman on the whole planet. Like I so so felt like I was the Goddess <<giggle>> and so, aside from all those warm fuzzy feelings but like it was it was so sexy and it was so hot and ohh gosh.

Well it wasnít hard to make you feel that way because you were you were frickiní you you were hot you areÖseriously honey, I want pussy right now for thatÖstart touching yourself.

I am already <<giggle>>

Alright. I just started.

I wish those were my hands giving you a hand job.

Honey right like now before I met you I never jacked off once I startÖI started meeting you it was like once a month once every two weeks likeÖsince youíve left I jack off every day sometimes 2, 3 times a day.

Are you serious?!

Yeah well itís always <<unintelligible>>

Oh my <<unintelligible>> right now. I wish you were here. If you were here and my grandparents asleep Iíd put you right in my bedroom and weíd shut and lock the door and we would just have a big **** fest and weíd go at it all night.

Well, letís do it baby come get me there right now.

I want you to come.

I want to <<unintelligible>> I want you to come right on my face I want to see you come.

<<giggle>> I meant come here. <<giggle>>

Oh <<unintelligible>>

<<unintelligible>>

Yeah well, I havenít come but I will. I canít wait to get pictures of jism on your face

<<yelp>> Thatís gonna be cool actually.

We can probably get one <<unintelligible>> on each other on your face and thenÖ

Yeah, definitely.

I can get the shot.

Uh huhÖ.you make me so horny. I seriously think about having sex with you every day. Several times a day. I think of how hot itíd feel to have your cock deep inside of me. I remember it and I want it again.

Is it wrong that Iím glad we started ****ing?

What?

Is it wrong that Iím glad we started ****ing?

Well, if itís wrong then I donít want to be right <<giggle>> Ďcause Iím glad too. Like seriouslyÖ

Generally Iím like ok um Jodi Iím just Jodi Iím all Jodi

Like I, like I I donít know theÖwhatís wrong is that I wish we were doing it before becauseÖ

Yeah.

Öthat was good and it itÖ

Once we did it like, why not do it ya know

ExactlÖuh I know what you mean.

I want to give you a cream pie too.

Whatís that?

A crÖ

35:49 Ė 36:00
<<<<long pause, recording is silentÖ.possibly being redacted/censored here>>>

Whatís a cream pie?

When I blow my wad rightÖjust like a quarter inch inside your pussy.

Oh yeah

Itís supposed to just <<unintelligible>>

A cream pieÖ

I want to get a picture of that.

Uh huh.

Iíd get a lot of cum shots with you.

Yes, definitely.

A lot of Kodak moments.

Yes.

I mean how manyÖyouíre gonna have some great big times youíre gonnaÖ I mean honeyÖbecause you look like a porn star youíve got that every part of you you look like that exotic or that <<unintelligible>> oh hey I had a great thought about you while I was jerking off this morning I just wanted to sayÖ

Can you describe it for me?

Oh yeah I frickiní pounded you something ferocious in my thoughts this morning.

<<giggle>>

UmÖwell like Iím looking at all these great pictures with a quality camera and a setting thatís like you know perfect. I mean it could be like legitimate porn.

Yeah.

In every sense you know what I mean? And you can handle yourself like ahh hot.

Iím going to come soon honey.

Well Iíll tell you what I was thinking about today.

Alright but if I come, donít come yet ok Ďcause then Iíll come two times and you can come a second time.

Ok likeÖ

<<JA starts panting like a dog>>

Ölike like everything about like the details of your body is so hot like those big frickiní nipples theyíre just likeÖitís just likeÖjust accentuate a female you are and how hot you are like like you prototype the sluttiness. Like youíre the prototypeÖyou made the freakiní <<unintelligible>> and then most of all oh I love it is, is how much detail your pussy has and big Ö

<<JA starts talking over Travis mid-sentence>>

Now I haÖI like the the things because Iíve always been self conscious about those things and you make me feel likeÖ

It, it makes you like a superÖwoman.

<<JA-loud exhale>>
And it itís just like itís all like thereís some women because theyíre feminine because they have boobs and they have a <<unintelligible>> youíre ultra feminine because you have freakiní thatís so freakiníÖ

<<JA starts panting like a dog and talking over Travis mid-sentence>> Uh Right now <<JA moaning over and over and over and over and over then starts panting like a dog again>>

Oh that was hot.

<<JA panting>>
**************39:14 Ė Jodi holds tissue to her nose**************
ActuallyÖtotally. The way you moan baby it sounds like sounds like youíre a twelve year old girl having her first orgasm.

<<JA gasps>> It sounds like, it sounds like what?!

A twelve year old girl having her first orgasm.

<<JA-giggle>>

Like <<unintelligible>> this hot little girl.

<<JA-laughing>> Youíre bad, you make me feel so dirty.

You are dirty gorgeousÖnow finger yourself some more because I could come at any moment.

Alright
**************39:53 Ė Jodi holds tissue to her nose**************
<<unintelligible>> you baby I just want to have a **** fest with you. I like that term. Itís a marathon. Put my dick in every orifice in your body justÖhave my way with you being dirty.

Yeah.

<<unintelligible>> but seriously though like you donít know how hot that is. Thatís so hot <<unintelligible>>

How hot was it?

Your pussy lips?

<<JA sigh>> I like it when you suck on Ďem. And itís like you suck on Ďem like theyíre like theyíre candy like theyíre, theyíre lollipops. You just lick Ďem.

Thatís because you taste like seriously with like people that yeah I obviously donít getÖthereís other people that they taste fine. Iíve never had anyone Iíve actually enjoyed the taste of them but you doing it I like the flavor in your pussy.

Thatís awesome!

And on the other side ok Iíll tell you this I love how naturally hairless you are itís like no hair to be found I know you wax but even still itís just so smooth, smooth <<unintelligible>>

I like being smooth, youíre smooth too. Youíre smooth all over in places like I didnít know you could get smooth.

<< 41:39 A whole bunch of unintelligible back and forth>>






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I've posted this in the other major thread, but though I'd also post it here. Things I like about the cross examination, Part 1:

1) Around 20:59, JA is hemming and hawwing about the time and being "monogamous," and Martinez says, "Right around the time you killed him..." and JA seems deflated.

2) 20:00-24:00 - Martinez reveals JA's double standard
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Jodi Arias Trial Day 21 Cross Examination Part 1 Beginning: Double Standards

JM: Ma'am take a look at exhibit 413. You recognize that exhibit, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And that's a picture of you, correct?
JA: yes
JM: and the other one is a picture of your dumb sister, Angela, correct?
JA: That's my sister, she's not dumb.
JM: Well, do you remember having a conversation with Travis Alexander back on May 10 of 2008?
JA: Yes
JM: And do you remember that you tape-recorded that conversation?
JA: Yes
JM: And during that conversation isn't it true that you said I honestly think, talking about Angela, she's a little bit dumb. You said that, right?
JA: Yes, I called her dumb and stupid
JM: Did I ask you whether or not you called her stupid ma'am?
JA: No
JM: I asked you whether or not you called her dumb, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Now take a look at exhibit 452. Do you recognize the two people there?
JA: Yes
JM: And this photograph was taken by your camera, correct?
JA: It looks like it.
JM: Well, when you say it looks like it, isn't it part of the same photographs that are involved in exhibit 413?
JA: Um, I think it is
JM: well exhibit number 413 that was taken on May 10 (bring it in) of 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and this photograph here, exhibit number 413, features the color of your hair doesn't it?
JA: And exhibit 452 also features the color of your hair doesn't it?
JA: Yes, a different part of my hair
JM: and this was taken sometime in May of 2008, correct
JA: this exhibit?
JM: No, exhibit 452
JA: I only remember it was the spring, I think
JM: of 2008
JA: yes

[Move for the admission of 452
Objection, lack of foundation. Counsel approach
452 is admitted]

JM: Ma'am take a look at the back of exhibit 452 to see the date on that. Does that date refresh your recollection as to when this photograph was taken?
JA: yes
JM: and what date was this photograph taken
JA: 5 days later the 15th of May, 2008
JM: And with regard to this photograph, it also features you and it also features your sister the one that you also said was stupid, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Now with regard to this name calling, one of the things that we heard through a text message was that you were upset at somepoint because Mr. Alexander said that you were going to turn out like your mother, or you were acting like your mother, do you remember that text message, ma'am?
JA: Yes
JM: And in that text message there was this indication that somehow he was saying something bad about your mother
JA: Yes
JM: And when you testified, you seemed to get pretty upset about that, right?
JA: I remember getting emotional
JM: and you indicated that you loved your mother
JA: I do love my mother, yes
JM: did you or did you not indicate that you loved your mother, I'm not asking you if you love your mother, I'm asking you if you indicated it.
JA: I don't remember
JM: Do you have problems with your memory, ma'am
JA: Sometimes
JM: So you can tell us, for example what kind coffee you bought at Starbucks back on June 3, 2008 , but you can't tell us what you said yesterday or the day before
JA: I always have the same drink at Starbucks
JM: And you can tell us, for example, what type of sex you had with Mr. Alexander many years ago, but your having trouble telling us what you said a couple days ago
JA: when I'm under stress, yeah, it effects my memory
JM: I thought you said that your relationship with Mr. Alexander was very stressful
JA: some of the sex wasn't
JM: pardon
JA: some of the sex wasn't
JM: so you did enjoy the sex then , is that what you're telling me?
JA: at times I did.
JM: but you did indicate at some point that, as part of your examination also that, Mr. Alexander at some point said something about your grandparents also. Do you remember telling us that?
JA: my grandfather
JM: right, that he made some perjorative comment, or some bad comment about him, right?
JA: yes his name
JM: Right and one of the things that seems to be coming out here is that you have a double standard with regard to making comments about people, don't you
JA: yes I do
objection, overruled
JA: I do
JM: and in fact it's okay for you to make comments about, for example, Angela to call her dumb and stupid, right
JA: no,
JM: well you said it right
JA: I did
JM: and we heard on the telephone conversation that you were laughing when you said that, right?
JA: it was sentimental, kind of
JM: you were laughing, you weren't upset when you said it, were you?
JA: no
JM: and then when Mr. Alexander says something like you're going to be like your mother, that's when you get emotional and upset, right?
JA: I did
JM: and you get upset when he says something about your grandfather, right?
JA: that night I was upset
JM: well you did get upset, yes or no
JA: no because I already was upset
JM: Well, you didn't get upset on the witness stand when you told us about that?

JA: oh yeah on the witness stand, certainly

JM: and it's okay to say these things unless it's Mr. Alexander that's saying them, right? You're applying a different standard to Mr. Alexander, correct, yes or no?
JA: No

Peeping
JM: ma'am one of the other things that we know regarding this standard applying, yesterday in fact
you told us back in August of 2007 you went to Mr. Alexander's house, do you remember telling us that?
JA: Yes
JM: And do you remember telling as at that time, you were broken up with Mr. Alexander
JA: Yes I had broken up with him
JM: well you had broken up with him or he had broken up with you, one or the other, correct?
JA: I broke up with him about a month before
JM: and you broke up with him on June 29, 2007, but you felt that it was okay for you to go over to his house in August 2007 didn't you?
JA: after he told me to
JM: yes or no, did you feel it was okay to go over to his house?
JA: I said yes
JM: and when you went over to his house you indicated that you knocked or you did something and that nobody came to the door right?
JA: I went over to his house a lot of times in August so it depends on the incident your refering to
JM: Ma'am we're talking about the incident you told us about yesterday related to the killing do you not remember that
JA: I did not knock
JM: And you did go over there and at some point you started to peep in to the house, didn't you?
JA: Yes
JM: so that means that you don't know if you knocked then, right?
JA: I did not knock I know I did not
JM: So you went around the back to look, right
JA: I went around the back to get in
JM: You went around the back then, right
JA: Yes
JM: And when you went around the back, you're telling us you went around the back to get in, right
JA: Yes
JM: but when you got to the back to get in, you started to look at what was going on, right?
JA: I glanced in as I was walking to the sliding glass door
JM: You did walk in and you looked at what was going on,right?
JA: I did not walk in
JM: then you were outside looking in'
you never went in, right
No I ran out of the backyard
You never went in, right, yes or no?
JA: I said no
JM: and when you looked you saw something that upset you, right
JA: Yes
JM: you saw mr alexander,right
JA: I didn't know if it was him at first, but yes
JM: yes or no, did you see him during that encounter?
Objection she's answered the question, overruled, answer the question.
JA: I did, I said no
JM: pardon
JA: I didn't know it was him at first
JM: You didn't see him when you were there that night?
JA: I did afterward, yes
JM: That night Ma'am, that night, did you see Mr. Alexander inside that house, yes or no
JA: Yes
JM: and inside that house there was a female
JA: Yes
JM: What's the name of that female?
JA: He didn't tell me her name
JM: Did I ask you if he told you the name?
JA: No
JM: so did you recognize her
JA: no, I did not
JM: he was there with a female, you were able to see her face
JA: yes, sort of
JM: well yes and sort of means two different thing
JA: part of it was shadowed by the tv behind her
Judge, she's not answering my questions. Judge: answer only the question you are asked.
JA: Ok
JM: could you see her face, yes or no
JA: part of it
JM: But you were able to see that they were making out, right
JA: oh yeah they were
JM: So is that a yes, they were making out, right
JA: mmm hmm,
JM: is that a yes
JA: Yes
JM: and part of what you also saw was that her brassiere was off
JA: I didn't see that I just saw her re-hook her bra
JA: I didn't see it all the way off
JM: You indicated that you saw her hooking the brassiere back on, right
JA: she was rehooking it
JM: so you did tell us that yesterday, right
JA: yes
JM: So that means that at least her bra was unhooked, right?
JA: it was unhooked
JM: So you stood there and they stood up in reaction to something that you did, is that what you're telling us
JA: No
JM: they didn't see you,
JA: they didn't see me
JM: so what happened is that you were actually watching what they were doing?
JA: Briefly, yes
JM: did I ask you for how long, ma'am?
JA: No
JM: I asked you if you stood there and watched them, right
JA: no
JM: you didn't stand there and watch them
JA: no, I didn't stand there, I saw it and then I turned and ran out of the backyard.
JM: but you saw them enough to know they were kissing, right
JA: um, yes
JM: you used the term making out, didn't you yesterday
JA: yes
JM: You were there long enough to see that one of the individuals was Mr. Alexander not his roommate
JA: yes
JM: you were able to see there was a female, right
JA: Yes
JM: you saw the bra was unhooked, right
JA: Yes
JM: And the lights weren't on, right
JA: there was a light
JM: Well didn't you indicate it was like a TV kind of light
JA: that light
JM: Yes, so there was no light there was a television that was on
JA: that's light
JM: ma'am was it a light or was it a television that was on,
JA: it was light from a television screen
JM: So are you saying that it was a television that was on then
JA: Yes
JM: and from that light you were able to make all this out, correct
JA: yes
JM: No other light was on
JA: Not that I recall
JM: And then you decided to leave
JA: Yes
JM: And this was the point you were living very close to Mr. Alexander, right
JA: No
JM: Well, you were living within 10 miles of him weren't you?
JA: I was living between greenfield and Broadway, I don't know the length
JM: How long would it take you to drive it
JA: About 15 minutes depending on traffic
JM: And after you saw this one of the things you did was that you took off, right
JA: Yes
JM: And then you thought about it, right
JA: Of course
JM: And you felt strongly enough about this that the next day you called your father, right?
JA: I called my parents' house, my father answered
JM: Yes or no, you spoke to your father?
JA: I did speak to him
JM: And you were crying, right
JA: Yes
JM: And you were upset about this, right
JA: Yes
JM: And you told him why you were upset, right?
JA: Yes
JM: I thought you said before that you didn't discuss these issues involving you and Mr. Alexander?
JA: not typically
JM: Not typically, you said you didn't yesterday and the days before, remember telling us that?
JA: the violence, yes
JM: Oh, I see. But you did discuss the fact that you saw him kissing with somebody else with your father, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And as a result of that you decided to go talk to Mr. Alexander about it, right?
JA: Yes
JM: What in the world gave you the right to go talk to an ex-boyfriend with whom, according to you, you'd broken up with. What right do you have to do that?
KN: objection, Judge, argumentative. Judge: Sustained
JM: Ma'am, you knew that you could go and talk to him about that?
JA: Of course
JM: Why, weren't you broken up?
JA: Yes

JM: You were being territorial about him weren't you?
JA: No
JM: oh you weren't, then why in the world would you even care what he was doing?
JA: Because he was trying to court me back
JM: That's you telling us that he was trying to court you back, if he was trying to court you back you could have walked away at that point, couldn't you?
JA: Yeah, I could have at any time, I guess
JM: Well, at that point you could have walked away, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You didn't need him for his paycheck, right, cause he wasn't giving you money.
JA: He was giving me money
JM: Well that was for some work, but you could have gotten other work, right
JA: I guess I could have looked
JM: You guess? You worked at other places, you know you could have gotten other work, couldn't you?
JA: not in August it's a very slow season for restaurants
JM: So you're saying that you were restricted in only getting work at restaurants, that there's no other kind of work that you could get.
JA: Restaurants is
JM: Yes or no?
JA: I guess that would be no, but I hadn't thought about it.
JM: So thenin addition to that, you were living in your own place, right?
JA: No
JM: Well, you were living with Mr. Alexander?
JA: No
JM: You were living elsewhere, weren't you?
JA: Yes
JM: You were living in another place, right
JA: Yes
JM: Where you were paying rent, right?
JA: No
JM: You weren't paying any rent at all?
JA: Not with Rachell
JM: So, in other words it was even better for you, you didn't have to worry about having to pay the rent then, right
JA: Yes
JM: And so you could have just left that situation alone, yet you decided to confront him anyway, right?
JA: Of course.
JM: and the reason that you did it is because you were jealous, right?
JA: No
JM: and you did talk to hinm about this issue, correct.
JA: Yes
JM: And he got upset with you, right?
JA: No
JM: he didn't get upset and scream and run upstairs isn't that what you told us yesterday?
JA: Yes, he did
JM: So, ma'am to go back to this issue involving the text messages, one of the things that you told us was that there was a text message you sent to somebody by the name of Steve, Steve Carroll, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And that it was a two part text message, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And this two part text message, one part ended up going to Mr. Alexander, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And that he got upset about it right,
JA: very yes
JM: And after he got upset about it, one of the things he wanted was to see the second part of this text message, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And so you lied to him at that point, right?
JA: No
JM: Well, you fabricated a second text message didn't you?
JA: After that point, yes.
JM: So, are you telling me that fabricating a text message is not a lie?
JA: No, I'm not saying that
JM: So you did lie to him, Mr. Alexander, right?
KN: Objection, asked and answered.
Judge: Overruled
JA: Um, Yes and no
JM: so you think that sending him that text message and telling him this is the second part of the text message that that's not a lie even though you fabricated it?
JA: That part was the lie
JM: And so then you were asked the question How did that make you feel when Mr. Alexander was
sending these text messages involving Mr. Carrol? Do you remember that line of questioning?
JA: Yes
JM: We're applying a different standard then, right?
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Sustained
JM: With regard to this issue of how you feel, isn't that the same way you felt when you were peeping in hi window in August of 2007? Isn't that the same kind of feeling you were having?
JA: the same as what
JM: As the one involving Steve Carrol
JA: I don't know
JM: you were mad at Mr. Alexander both times
JA: I wasn't mad at Alexander
JM: You weren't mad at him, but you were upset with him.
JA: what time
JM: either time
JA: Steve Carroll no, the girl from phoenix, yes.
JM: And it just seems that it's okay for you to lie to him about a guy, but when it comes to him being with some other girl, you decide to confront him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And one of the other things that you told us yesterday, was that you were monogamous with Mr. Alexander, right?
JA: Sexually, monogamous, yes
JM: Ma'am, you told us you were monogamous and that's what monogamous means, sexual, doesn't it?
JA: I think it means more than that, sometimes.
JM: Well, in this case monogamous means sexual doesn't it?
KN: Objection,
Judge: restate the question
JM: When you say monogamous it means sexual, doesn't it?
JA: which time
JM: The time that we're talking about right now., involving Mr. Alexander, no other time.
JA: Our relationship evolved so
JM: I'm not asking you if it evolved, at the end, right when you killed him, you indicated that you were monogamous with him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And at that time, you then left the killing scene if you will and you went up to Utah, right?
JA: Yes.
JM: And when you went up to Utah, you ended up with someone named Ryan Burns, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you ended up in his bed, right?
JA: I think it was a love sac
JM: Ok, and with regard to that, at that point, according to you Mr. Alexander still wasn't dead, was he?
JA: wasn't discussed.
JM: Well did I ask you whether or not you discussed it with Mr. Burns? I didn't, did I?
JA: I wasn't talking about Mr. Burns.
JM: I'm asking you at that time, didn't you tell us yesterday at the time that you went up to Utah, you weren't sure if he was dead, do you remember telling us that?
JA: Not in Utah from the Hoover Dam or right before the checkpoint.
JM: So, when did you konw that he was dead, tell me that.
JA: I got confimation of it on June 10, but
JM: So, okay if you got confimation on June 10th you met with Mr. Burns before June. 10th didn't you?
JA: Yes
JM: You met him on the 5th, right?
JA: Yes
JM: so at that point, you didn't know , according to your own story, that Mr. Alexander was dead, right?
JA: I guess I knew, I didn't Iwasn't accepting it
JM: you either knew or you didn't, which one is it ma'am? Make up your mind please.
KN: Objection, asked and answered.
Judge: Ask another question.
JM: Did you know he was dead when you and Mr. Burns were kissing?
KN: Objection, asked and answered.
Judge: Overruled
JA: Um, yeah I think
JM: You think you did or you weren't sure about it
JA: I wasn't really in my own mind, I was out of my mind, sorta.
JM: so if you didn't think he was dead, that portion of you didn't think he was dead, then it's okay for you at that point, if you didn't think he was dead to sort of roll around with Mr. Alexander, with Mr.Burns and that was okay, right?
JA: I'm single.
JM: Just like he was in August 8th in August of 2007
JA: Yes
JM: So it's okay for you, then it should be okay for him, right?
JA: It was okay.
JM: Then why did you confront him the next day if it was okay?
JA: Cause he was still courting me, I wanted to know where I stood.
JM: And because of your definition of courting you, you felt you deserved an explanation, right?
JA: yes
JM: Hadn't you just had intercourse with Mr. Alexander on the 4th of June?
JA: Yes
JM: And if he was still alive, he would have deserved an explanation then for you being with Mr. Burns, right?
JA: no
JM: Well, I mean that's you're applying a different standard here, aren't you?
JA: No
JM: You're saying that its okay for you to confront him about the situation, but not okay for Mr. Alexander to confront you, right?
JA: if he wanted to confront me, it would have been okay.
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Jodi Arias Trial Day 21 Cross Examination Part 1: Bent Finger

(24:15)
JM: Ma'am with regard to the exhibit number 452, it does show you, right, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: and it shows Angela, correct
JA: Yes
JM: It shows something else on there, doesn't it? Doesn't it show your hand?
JA: Yes
JM: In fact let me show you another close-up of that hand.
KN: I'm gonna object
Judge: Please approach

(25:58)
JM: Exhibit 453 is a closeup of your hand, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you can also see the jewelry around your sister's neck?
JA: Yes, yes
JM: And you previously have told us about exhibit 452 and when it was taken and who's in that photograph, right.
JA: Yes
JM: I move for the admission of exhibit 453.
KM: no objections

JM: And ma'am this was also taken, according to your testimony, on May 15, let's take a look at that, or 2008. That's a picture of your left hand, isn't it?
JA: Yes
JM: and it shows your ring finger right?
JA: yes
JM: Do you remember that on January 22nd of 2008 you and Mr. Alexander were involved in some sort of violent encounter. Do you remember telling us about that?
JA: Yes
JM: And you told us that during that encounter, he threw you down. Do you remember that?
JA: Yes
JM: And while you were down that he kicked you, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And when he kicked you, ma'am one of the things that happened is that you put up your left hand, do you remember telling us that?
JA: Yeah, both hends.
JM: Well, you told us specifically about your left hand, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And when you went to put up your left hand, according to you, he kicked you and he damaged the ring finger on your left hand, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: and in fact you even held it up for us, didn't you?
JA: Yes
JM: And it was crooked when you showed it to us, wasn't it?
JA: It's bent
JM: It's bent
JA: Yes
JM: Show us how bent it is again ma'am.
(Jodie hold up hand 27:46)
JM: Higher, so we can see it sideways. Ma'am if he caused that damage on January 22, 2008 that would have been before this picture we have here which is exhibit number 453 it would have been about, 5 months before that?
JA: It was before that
JM: Five months, right?
JA: 4
JM: Four months, then, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You don't have a bent finger here in exhibit 453, do you?
JA: My finger is bent there.
JM: You're saying that your finger is bent there?
JA: Yes, just the
Hold u your finger again.
When my finger is straightened
Hold up your finger again. Sideways so we can also see it.
JA: When my fingers are straightened this one stick up
JM: That's what it looks like, your finger, and your saying that happened on January 22nd 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Ma'am one of the other things involving this particular finger, it seems to have had it's run, if you will, of bad things happen to it, right?
JA: This finger?
JM: Yes, the left ring finger
JA: I don't know
JM: Well, you talked to Ryan Burns about it, didn't you
JA: Yes
JM: and you told him that that finger, the left ring finger had been damaged, injured, didn't you?
JA: I don't know if it was the left.
JM: You don't remember telling him it was the left ring finger?
JA: No

(29:12)
JM: Again, do you have a problem with your memory?
JA: Occasionaly
JM: And so some of the things that you've told us about other things in the past, you may have also had problems with your memory then, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And so whatever you told us in the past, is somewhat suspect then, because your memory may be lacking.
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Overruled
JA: I only told things that I remember clearly, that are crystallized in my mind.
JM: With regard to Mr. Burns, you do remember who he was, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you do remember that you went over to West Jordan to meet him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you do remember that you did meet him that Thursday and it was sometime around 11:00 in the morning?
JA: I think so yeah
JM: And when you met him you decided to go somewhere to a restaurant for a business meeting, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And during that time didn't you have a bandage on your finger?
JA: Yes
JM: And it was your left finger wasn't it?
JA: No
JM: It was your right finger then, right. Is that what you're saying, it was your right finger?
JA: It was two right fingers
JM: So it was your right finger then, right? Ma'am, are you sure that it was your right finger?
JA: It was two,
JM: Pardon?
JA: two right fingers.
(30:30)

JM: Do you remember then that you had a conversation with Det. Flores about this issue regarding your finger?
JA: Yes
JM: And do you remember that that was on July 16th of 2008?
JA: Yes
JM: and then you remember that you told him that on June 4th you had been over at Mr. Alexander's home, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you told him that you were over at Mr. Alexander's home and some a guy and a girl had come in, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And that whatever happened on June 4th, you told Det. Flores that it was your left finger that had been damaged. Do you remember that?
JA: Yes
JM: So you did tell that to the detective that it happened on June 4th, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Does that then refresh your recollection in any way so that we know what we're talking about
[Sidebar, close-up of Jodi's finger still on the screen]

(Orange jumpsuit Interrogation video ďMy finger isn't the same........ I'm pretty sure she scratches me a lotĒ)
(37:54)

JM: That tape, that videotape, right
JA: yes
JM: And that's you having a conversation discussing the left ring-finger, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you demonstrated to Det. Flores that left ring-finger, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you told him that this woman during this attack on June 4, 2008 cut you right there, didn't you?
JA: Yes
JM: And you showed him and the finger, if we look at it there, had the same aspect, or the same angle to it that your finger does now, doesn't it?
JA: Yes
JM: Ma'am the injury to your finger happened on June 4th, 2008 not January 22nd, 2008, didn't it?
JA: That's not correct.

JM: Ma'am with regard to the story involving this particular issue you told us that it happened on January 22nd of 2008, right?
JA: Which issue?
JM: The left ring-finger
JA: Yes
JM: You then discussed it, there was this issue with Ryan Burns, right?
JA: which issue?
JM: The cut finger
JA: The cut finger, yes. Two fingers
JM: And then Junly 16th of 2008 you discussed it with Det. Flores, right?
JA: Yes
JM: One of the things you told Mr. Burns was that you cut it at Margaritaville while you were working there, right?
JA: No, I did not say that
JM: You never told him that?
JA: I said at work.
JM: So you never told him Margaritaville
JA: no he said that
JM: right but you never told him that you cut it at Margaritaville, right ?
JA: no
JM: you told him you cut it at work, right ?
JA: yes
JM: and then when you spoke to Detective Flores, you gave him a different story. You didn't say that you cut it at work you told him that it was cut some other way, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And then you testified about it in this court, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you gave us another story about how this happened, right?
JA: No
JM: Well, do you remember that you testified you were at Mr. Alexander's home on June 4, 2008 at the sink, do you remember telling us that?
JA: Yes
JM: and do you remember telling us that you dropped a glass in Mr. Alexander's house?
JA: June 4th
JM: Whatever date you were there at Mr. Alexander's house
JA: I broke more than one glass at his house.
JM: Ma'am to you remember testifying yesterday about how how you suffered this injury to your finger, yes or no?
JA: Not this finger
JM: No, do you remember testifying that, involving you finger, your left ring-finger in fact, that that was cut when you dropped a glass when you were at Mr. Alexander's house on the day that you killed him?
JA: I did not indicate my left finger, I said finger
JM: So you're saying it was your right finger that you cut at Mr. Alexander's house, right?
JA: It was my right finger, yes
JM: So throughout this whole thing,, Mr. Burns, when he indicated what finger it was, he was mistaken, well not he was mistaken, you're saying that you never told Mr. Burns that it was the right finger that you cut, right?
JA: We didn't discuss which hand.
JM: OK, so you never indicated to him in any way, shape, or form that it was the right finger?
KN: Objection
Judge: Sustained
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Jodi Arias Trial Day 21 Cross Examination Part 1: Journal

(41:35) JOURNAL
JM: and this issue of the 22nd of January 22nd, when you injured, when you say that you were injured. You kept a journal, didn't you? You kept a journal didn't you?
JA: Yes, I did
JM: And you didn't write in it all the time, but you wrote in it some of the time, right?
JA: Frequently, yes
JM: Frequently. And you were writing about what was going on in your life back in January of 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you were writing about things that were significant to you, right?
JA: Some things
JM: Right, and in fact with regard to this particular journal, you knew that you could almost right anything you wanted in it because it was going to stay private, right?
JA: NO
JM: Well, ma'am let me show you what is marked as an exhibit..

(43:35)
JM: I'm showing you exhibit 242.001. Recognize it?
JA: Yes I do
JM: And that's your journal, right
JA: Sure is
JM: Let me have that, back. Take a look at the entry, just read it to yourself, on Sunday, August 26 of 07.
JA: The whole entry?
JM: Just read the first five lines, six lines.
JA: Yes
JM: You wrote that, write?
JA: Yes
JM: Take a look at exhibit number 455. Is this a true and accurate copy of those lines, fivor or six lines?
JA: Yes
JM: You wrote that back on August 26, of '07, right
JA: yes
JM: Let me have that back please. Move for the admission of exhibit 455.
At sidebar

(51:31)
Judge: 455 is admitted
JM: take a look at this entry from August 26, 2007 and when you're done reading it let us know
(Jodi thoroughly reading journal)
(53:44)
JA: Just this one entry
JM: Yes, just that one entry of August 26, 2007. I know you have two entries, but the first entry is the one we're talking about.
JA: Yeah it looks like I have three on that day.
JM: Have you read the first entry that involves this particular snipper?
JA: Yes
JM: Thank you
KN: Objection...before she answeres questions.
Judge: Overruled
JM: This journal, and your journals, were meant to be private, right?
JA: yes
JM: And that's what it says there: Well I guess it's a good thing that nobody else read this because I write right now that I love TVA so completely that I don't know anyway else to be. Correct, that's what it says?
JA: Yes
JM: Do you remember when we started talking this morning that we talked about an incident where you went over to his house?
JA: Yes
JM: and this was the incident that you referenced involving the killing, right. That it went through your head.
JA: Umm, are you talking about the incident in August 2007?
JM: Right, exactly.
JA: Yes
JM: That incident in August 2007 where you went over and peeped inside o his house happened before this entry here of Sunday Aug 26, 2007.
KN: Objection,... her testimony by saying peep
Judge: what was the last thing you said
KN: by saying peep
Judge: Restate your question
JM: When you looked inside the house?
JA: yes it did happen before this entry
JM: and so really the reason why you confronted Mr. Alexander was not because he owed you an explanation or anything like that. The reason you confroted him back in August of 2007 was because you were in love with him and you didn't want to let him go.
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Overruled
JA: that not right..but I was in love with him.
JM: yes, you did right this didn't you
JA: Yes
JM: Now, you kept more than one journal. You kept another one, right
JA: Umm, I kept one journal at a time.
JM: Let's take a look at another journal.
KN: Objection
At sidebar

(58:10)
JM: Ma'am, take a look at exhibit 242.002. You recognize it,right?
JA: Yes
JM: Why don't you open it up and look through it. (she looks) That's your writing throughout that whole journal, right?
JA: Yes
JM: If I I could have that back. There is an entry for Thursday, January 24th, 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Why don't you just take a look at it. See that?
JA: Yes
JM: Let me mark another exhibit for you. Take a look at exhibit 456. And with the exhibit that you have in front of you, that's the whole entry for January 24th, 2008, correct?
JA: Um, I believe it is for the single one, yes
JM: There are other entries but that is the complete entry for that one, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: because it's written in blue ink
JA: Yes
JM: and the others are written in black ink.
JA: yes, the one following.
JM: I move for the admission of exhibit number 456.
KN: can we approach?
Judge: Yes
(1:02:54)
JM: Ma'am we're gonna take a look at exhibit number 242.02 we talked about the entry of January 24th of 2009. Take a look at this journal and isn't true that the previous in terms of chronological time, that the prevoious entry is on January 20th of 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So there's a gap of four days between the time you wrote on January 20th and on January 24th 2008, right?
JA: yes
JM: Nothing in between, correct?
JA: Not in the journal
JM: I'm asking about the journal, ma'am.
JA: That's correct.
JM: Is there anything else in front of you?
KN: Asked and answered, your honor and argumentative
Judge: Sustained
JM: In the journal ma'am there are no other entries between January 20th of 2008 and January 24th of 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: If we then take a look at exhibit 456 let's see what you wrote on Thursday, January 24th of 2008.
You wrote: ďI haven't written because there has been nothing noteworthy to report.Ē correct?
JA: Yes.
(also on the exhibit: I turned down 4 offers for a date this Saturday Friday night 4 separate events. That's mildly amusing. Instead I'm going to a dinner at Brother Porter's house. It's for a new ward members. I'm tempted to skip out)
JM: Didn't you tell aus involving the finger that this injury to your left finger when Mr. Alexander went to kick that that happened on January 22nd of 2008?
JA Yes, it did.
JM: Yet you write here that nothing noteworthy has happened, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And then you also write you turned down 4 offers for a date on Friday night, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You were free to date, so was he, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And then you finish it out by talking about going up to the snow, right? See that?
JA: Yes
JM: You're gonna gp up there skiing. you crossed it out and your just going up to the snow? Right?
JM: did you go skiing?
JA: No, I don't ski.
JM: pardon
JA: No, I don't ski, I didn't go.
(1:05:25) [1/20/2008]
JM: The entry of January 20th, 2008 (take a look at exhibit number 242.02) Count the pages please.
JA: The pages between the two
JM: No, just your entry of Sunday January 20th 2008, do you want me to show you where it is
JA: I have it. Um it's 4 and a few lines
JM: And it starts on the lower left hand corner with threee lines on a seperate page indicating January 20, of 2008, right?
JA: Yes. And I'm sorry, I misspoke, it's 5 pages and a few lines
JM: And in it one of the things that you talk about is this issue involving Lonnie's baptism, right?
JA: I haven't read it, can I read it?
JM: Sure, go ahead
(1:10:13)
JA: Yes
JM: It does talk about Lonnie's baptism, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And, previously, when you testified you indicated that the reason that you missed Lonnie's baptism was because you and Mr. Alexander were involved in a sexual liason, right?
JA: Yes.
JM: And this was a sexual liason where the pop rocks and the tootsie pops were involved, right? That's what you said, right?
JA: I'd have to reference dates
JM: Well then let me show you a transcript then to refresh your recollection of what you told us on February 12.
JA: I would appreciate that.
JM: alright, I will
(while waiting Jodi flips to other places in the diary and reads)
JM: Starting on page five, on the bottom, read that.
JA: Would you like me to read it outloud?
JM: To yourself
JA: Just the highlighted portion?
JM: Nope, just keep reading it
JA: Starting at the bottom?
JM: Right.

(reading)
Sidebar
JM: Have you read the entire transcript that deals with the sexual encounter involving the pop rocks and tootsie pops
JA: Yes, I started where you highlighted and finished it.
JM: Well read it above it, does it have anything to do with the tootsie pops and the rock pops?
JA: (reading again)OK
JM: Does the upper portion have anything to do with it, or no
JA: Yes
JM: Well read the other part to make sure we've covered everything regarding that particular encounter.
JA: (reading, reading, reading slowly)
Objection your honor...the entire transcript, can't hear judge
JA: There's nothing about the pop rocks on this page.
JM: There is nothing before that, correct?
KN: Judge, I'm going to object to the questions until she's read the entire transcript, I don't believe she has at this point
Judge: read the entire transcript.
JA: I've read the entire transcript
JM: Irrespective of the date that we're talking about, whether it was January 20 or January 21 or January 22, you do reference the pop rocks and tootsie pops sexual incident, by reference to Lonnie's baptism, right?
JA: Yes (opens and looks in journal)
JM: The journal entry of January 20, 2008 also references Lonnie's baptism, doesn't it? Take a look at exhibit 458.
JA: (reading)Yes
JM: And that's a true and accurate copy in front of you, the excerpt, of what's in your journal referencing Lonnie's baptism and the sexual encounter, isn't it.
JA: Yeah, let me make sure I'm refering to the same day in my journal
JM: Well let's take a look and make sure. Let me have that. (takes excerpt and journal). The first entry is identical on the first page that indicates Sunday, January 20, 2008.
JA: Yes, That's when I wrote the entry
JM: Then has we continue on, there is the entry involving the baptism, right? Do you see that? The start, that that entry is there involving Lonnie's baptism?
JA: Yes, I just don't know if I'm referencing the 20th in that part of the entry.
JM: Ma'am is there any other intervening date between the January 20th of 2008 where we started and the very end where you put J.A? Is there any other date in it?
JA: the, the, I
JM: Yes or no
JA: There might be
JM: Well, why don't we take a look. Let's take a look at the first page. The first page starts Sunday, January 20, 2008, doesn't it?
JA: When I wrote it, yes
JM: Does it start out saying Sunday January 20, 2008, yes or no?
JA: Yes
JM: And isn't it true that it starts out in black ink, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and then it continues on in blue ink, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and it flows, doesn't it? The words flow from what's at the bottom there to the next page, don't they?
JA: Yes
JM: So then we go to the bottom of it, the next page is also in blue ink, right?
JA: Yes
JM: In the next page there is no other date reference, is there?
KN: Objection, she said she needs to review it before she can answer
JM: She's looking at it
Judge: overruled, ma'am you can look at it
JA: Thank you (turns the page)
JM: No, no ma'am, don't turn the page. I just want to reference the next page to see if you see a date.
KN: Objection your honor, she's reviewing.
Judge: that's not the question, overruled
JA: I didn't write a date
JM: No, there is no date on there, is there?
JA: No
JM: Ok, Let's turn the page, and that page is also in blue ink, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And there is no date on that next page, is there?
JA: That's correct
JM: Then let's look at the page following that. That page, where you have your left hand on, that's also in blue ink.no,no,no you turned the page, go back. That's also in blue ink, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: and there is no date on there either, is there?
JA: that's correct
JM: Turn the page. And then, on the next page that's also in blue ink, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And there's no date on that, is there?
JA: That is correct.
JM: And the page after that contains the initials J.A., right?
JA: Yes
JM: That's for Jodi Arias, isn't it?
JA: Yes
JM: And that's also in blue ink
JA: Yes
JM: And there's no date that, is there?
JA: There is not.
JM: And if you turn the page, go ahead, there's an entry for January 24, 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: We can then go back. Turn the page once, we're looking at the entry that says J.A. on it, right?
JA: Yes
JM: We go to the previous page, the one that you're pointing to, it does start, if I may have it back, with a word that's in quotations, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Exhibit number 458 includes that particular portion of the entry in quotations, right?
JA: yes
JM: then if we go to the previous page, at the bottom of the page, it's also in blue ink, right?
JA: Yes
JM: the entry that I'm showing you now, includes that last paragraph, right?
JA: Second to last
JM: second to last paragraph, well if you take a look at the bottom you see that there's a word that's
JA: Oh, I apologize, you're correct.
JM: So in essence what we're talking about with the word thats crossed out and travels on to the next page, and that's what's included in this entry, correct in exhibit 458, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: along with the first page that includes the date
JA: yes
JM: and the entry or exhibit 458 references Lonnie's baptism, right?
JM: Move for the admission of exhibit 416.
KN: Your honor we will need additional time (paraphrased)
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Jodi Arias Trial Day 21 Cross Examination Part 2 PM: Pop Rocks and Braids

Afternoon Part 1
Exhibit 458 is admitted
JM: Ma'am when we left off we were talking the issue involving the Tootsie Pops and Pop Rocks and that that has a reference involving somebody named Lonnie and their baptism, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Regardless of whether is happened on Sunday or Thursday that's the same incident because you missed Lonnie's baptism, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Exhibit 458 is the entry for Sunday, January 20, 2008, do you see that?
JA: Yes
JM: (Entry on screen) And it starts out well I'm at the Institute building at Johnson and Southern with sister missionaries, rigt?
JA: Yes
JM: and there are some two blank pages and a third page that begins: (entry on screen) ďso I went to the church building and met with the sisters and gave them a ride to the institute building, where I am now.Ē Correct?
JA: Yes
JM: That's part of the same entry for that January 20th 2008 date, right?
JA: Yes
JM: There are no, in that whole body of that particular entry, there are no other dates mentioned, correct?
JA: there's another day referenced, but not a date
JM: I'm asking dates, aren't I?
JA: It's implied, it is referenced.
JM: No, I'm asking dates, do you see anywhere in those 5 or 6 pages another date?
JA: yes
JM: Show me where there is another D A T E date on 242.002
JA: I'm counting this as a date where it says Thursday
JM: It says Thursday night, though doesn't it?
JA: yes
JM: it doesn't say a date, does it?
JA: No
JM: we're getting to it where it says Thursday that's in the lower right hand corner of this exhibit number 458, correct?
JA: that is correct
JM: And your testimony involving pop rocks, exhibit number 457 does indicate that you thought it was a Thursday.
JA: yes
JM: You indicated previously that you were having trouble remembering it. Did this exhibit refresh your recollection?
JA: Yes
JM: and so your indicating sitting next to Sister Knight (who's totally trying to read this!) and Lonnie, who was just confirmed today, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And that's the Lonnie we are talking about, right?
JA: Yes
JM: He was baptized Thursday night, which is the date that is referenced in your previous testimony, right?
JA: Right
JM: Shame on me, I was ďwrapped upĒ in other activities that pulled me away from attending the baptism. And the reason that's in quotes is because you're trying to get across something else other than being wrapped up, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You're trying to get across that this involved a liason, or sexual liason with Travis Alexander, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You said namely work, but then getting prepped to go to Travis' house for the night, where we explored every naughty fantasy we could conjure up in our fruitful immaginations (sic) that we haven't already fulfilled with one another. I love him, I really do. Right?
JA: Yes
JM and the fantasy that you guys, that you're talking about, involved the Tootsie Pops and Pop Rocks, correct?
JA: part of it did, yes
JM: Part of it, well, ma'am this transcript that we talked about only talks about tootsie pops and pop rocks, doesn't it?
JA: No, it mentions bubble bath
JM: It mentions what?
JA: The bubbles
JM: And the bubble bath is part of the Tootside Pops and Pop Rocks.
JA: They were seperate the same night
JM: Same night, same, is that how this reads, ma'am, the transcript is that how it reads?
JA: I don't know if it reads that way but that's what it says
JM: Well then take a look at 459 which is partial transcript and see if that's how it reads that it's different
JA: different how?
JM: Well, the way you were trying to tell me it was different, that it features a different sequence of events
(6:34)
JA: yes, it references two different sequences
JM: Which two different
JA: events
JM: Are you talking about the issue involving the bathtub?
JA: Yes
JM: Isn't that part of the Tootsie Pops and Pop Rocks, engagement, if you will?
JA: not in the bathtub
JM: it didn't happen on the same day, ma'am?
JA: same day, yes
JM: same encounter?
JA: mmm, yes, I guess.
JM: Well no I'm saying, did he ejaculate twice that night?
JA: Yes
JM: so are you saying that when you were involved in the bathtub that was hours later than the tootside pops and pop rocks. Is that what you're saying?
JA: No
JM: It was part of the same encounter, wasn't it?
JA: Yes, I guess
JM: Well, you keep saying I guess, you were there, though, right?
JA: Yeah, I was there?
JM: And you were enjoying it weren't you?
JA: Yes
JM: And you enjoyed the tootsie pops and the pop rocks, correct?
JA: I enjoyed his attention.
JM: No, I want to know if you enjoyed the Tootsie Pops and the Pop Rocks. I'm not asking about his attention.
KN: Objection
Judge: Overruled
JA: I can't say enjoy would be the right word
JM: Well, what you're saying is when you talk about the Tootsie Pops and the Pop rocks, you're saying you didn't enjoy it, did not enjoy it, correct?
JA: I'm not saying that either
JM: Well there can't be a middle ground, you either enjoyed it or you didn't, right?
JA: That's not correct
JM: Oh so you can go, In your view, you can go through an act but not enjoy it, but also enjoy it. What are you trying to say?
JA: Am I allowed to tell you what I'm trying to say
JM: I want to know whether or not you enjoyed it
JA: I wouldn't characterized it that way
JM: so you're saying you did not enjoy it, just want to clarify
JA : If you're speaking only in the context of the tootsie and the pop rocks
JM: and the pop rocks sure
JA: I wouldn't call it enjoyed.
JM: You would not say you enjoyed it, right?
JA: I would not say enjoy
JM: If you then take a look at exhibit number 458 which references that encounter involving Lonnie, right
JA: um, Lonnie, no, you mean
JM: It didn't involve the batism involving Lonnie?
JA: I don't understand your question
JM: Well then let's just take a look at it, okay? Irrespective of the date, you referenced it as Lonnie's baptism. Just for point of reference. Remember we talked about that, right?
JA: That's right
JM: During this encounter that we've been calling Lonnie's baptism there were some Pop Rocks and Tootsie Pops that were involved, right?
JA: No, Lonnie's baptism did not involve Tootsie Rolls and Pop Rocks
JM: Ma'am we both know what we're talking about, this journal references Lonnie's baptism, doesn't it?
JA: Yes
JM: And you missed Lonnie's baptism, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and the reason you missed Lonnie's baptism is because you were having a Tootsie Pop placed somewhere, right?
JA: Yes, that's one of the reasons.
JM: And this exhibit here, exhibit number 458 does say that you explored every naughty fantasy that we could conjure up in our fruitful imaginations that we haven't already fulfilled with one another, right?
JA: Yes
JM: this doesn't say that you didn't enjoy it, does it?
JA: no
JM: I does say you did enjoy it, doesn't it?
JA: I don't see the word enjoy in there
JM: No, Did I say the word enjoy was in there?
JA: Yes, you said it said I enjoyed it
JM: Did I say enjoy was in there? It says you explored every naughty fantasy we could conjure up in our fruitful imaginations. You're saying that having a fruitful imagination, that's not enjoyment is what you're saying, right?
JA: I'm not saying that.
JM: And you're saying that every naughty fantasy, that's a bad thing, right, that's what you're saying.
JA: I'm not saying that.
JM: well the pop rocks were part of this naughty fantasy, weren't they?
JA: Part of it yes.
JM: and it was part of fulfilling your imaginations, right?
JA: his imagination, yes.
JM: Oh, so it was, even though you wrote it, he didn't write this did he?
JA: I wrote it
JM: That's right and those are your words, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and so even though you say haven't already filled with one another, these fruitful imaginations and all of that stuff, well that doesn't really mean what it says.
JA: I'm not saying that
JM: Well it doesn't distinguish between Pop Rocks and it doesn't distinguish between Tootsie Pops, does it?
JA: No it doesn't.
JM: And yet, you're saying here, they are different, right?
JA: Umm, no that's not what I'm saying
JM: What you're saying goes against what's written there, doesn't it.
JA: No, it does not go against it.
JM: Where? Show me here, point it out where it says I did not enjoy the Tootsie Pop encounter. Does it say that anywhere?
JA: I did not write anything like that in my journal.
JM: It doesn't say anything like that does it?
JA: That's correct
JM: And it does not say anywhere there that you did not enjoy the pop rocks encounter, does it?
JA: that's right
JM: Nothing prevented you from writing that in there, right?
JA: That's right
JM: You could have written anything that you wanted. It's not like you didn't have pens, right?
JA: yeah, that's right
JM: And you had enough space to write it because we know there's an entry after that, right?
JA Yes.
JM: And, It's a situation where you considered this to be a secret kind of thing so that if you wrote whatever you wanted there, you had a reasonable expectation that it would remain private, right?
JA: Reasonable.
JM: Which means you had an expecation that it would remain private, right?
JA: More a hope.
JM: Well, you were living with another individual, I think you said Rachel, correct?
JA: Not at this date
JM: okay where were you living?
JA: I was living at 9634 East ? Avenue in Mesa
JM: Is that an apartment, or were you renting a room?
JA: I was renting a room.
JM: And in that room that you rented you kept this journal, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So noone really had any authority to go into your room, right?
JA: That's not right
JM: Well, are you saying that people in that house went through your journal, is that what you're saying?
JA: I'm not saying that
JM: so you did have an expectation that your journal would remain private then, right?
JA: While it was at home yes.
JM: So, you're saying that someone broke in and looked at your journal? Is that what you're saying?
JA: No, because that would be at home.
JM: Well, you kept your journal at home didn't you?
JA: I took it everywhere with me
JM: So what you're saying if that if you went somewhere that it could have fallen into the wrong hands, is that what you're talking about?
JA: Yes
JM: You never reported to the police that your journal ever went, anybody ever looked at your journal, correct?
JA: I don't think it is a crime so no I didn't
JM: well, ma'am Did I ask you if it was a crime?
JA: No, you didn't
JM: Are you a lawyer? Do you know what I crime is and what isn't?
JA: I think I have a pretty good idea, but I'm not an attorney
JM: And so if someboyd broke into your house and read your journal you say nah, you wouldn't report it because you wouldn't think that was a crime, right?
JA: That's right, not the breaking and entering part just the reading the journal part.
JM: Oh, so now you're drawing a distinction. Isn't this where this journal was kept most of the time, with you in your home?
KN: Objection
JA: No, I misunderstood what you said
Judge: overruled
JA: Um, my understanding was that you were talking about if someone was looking in my journal if I would have reported that and no I would not have reported someone reading my journal to the police.

(14:29)
JM: Part of this encounter involving the Tootsie Pops, also involved braids, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: You have a definite opinion on the braids, don't you?
JA: umm, yes I have an opinion
JM: You think they're hot, don't you?
JA: Um, I guess.
JM: Well, no, you're the person that knows. We don't want you to guess. You think that the braids are hot, don't you?
JA: I think cute is more appropriate
JM: Ma'am, let's take a listen then, I'll have this marked as an exhibit, to part of the conversation that you had with Mr. Alexander back on May 10, 2010. I'll mark it, have you listen to it and you let us know if it's your voice talking about the braids. This is exhibit 460.
KN: Judge has this been admitted?
JM: It has not she's going to lay the foundation for it
KN: Then the jury can't hear it
Tape-recorded: (you know what I really liked when we were in the bath with the candles and I had braids and the bubbles)
Judge: There's an objection
(Tape-recorded Travis: Oh I love the braids. JA: I know, those are hot).
JM turned off the tape.
Sidebar
Same snippet plays again.
JM: That was your voice, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you're talking about braids, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Talking about how much you like them, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you're saying that they're hot, right? And this encounter involving the pop rocks and tootsie pops also involved braids, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So, you enjoyed those braids, right?
JA: I don't... it's not a yes or no answer.
JM: Well we did hear you saying that you enjoyed them, right? Do you want to hear it again?
JA: No
JM: you did hear that, right?
JA: I said I liked them.
JM: When you say that you liked them, isn't it true that that means that's something that's enjoyable
JA: Yes
JM: And you also said they were hot, right?
JA: yes
JM: So during your sexual encounters with Mr. Alexander, if you wore braids, you thought they were hot and you liked them, right?
JA: I liked his attention
KN: Objection to that last question he asked both hot and liked them.
Judge: Restate the question
JM: When you were with Mr. Alexander, isn't it true you wore braids, you liked them, liked them?
JA: Yes
JM: And with regard to the braids isn't it true that when you were with Mr. Alexander, you thought the braids were hot?
JA: Okay
JM: Oh no, I'm not asking for an okay, I'm asking for you to tell me the truth. What is it that you believe?
JA: I believe that he thought it was hot, so it was hot.
JM: So what you're saying here is with regard to exhibit number 460 and that telephone call that was played during your direct examination. You're saying you lied?
JA: No.
JM: Well, let's do you want to listen here where you say that they're hot?
JA: I just heard it.
JM: Right, it doesn't say anything about you doing this for Mr. Alexander anywhere does it?
JA: No, that's implied.
JM: It's implied, let's listen to it and see where it's implied.
Replay tape-recording (you know what I really liked when we were in the bath with candles and I had the braids? TA: mm hmm JA and the bubbles? TA: oh, I love the braids JA: I know they're hot).
JM: That's your voice, right?
JA: Yes and Travis's
JM: Did I ask you about Travis's voice, Ma'am?
JA: I didn't know which voice you were talking about
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Overruled
JM: Did I ask you if that was Travis's voice?
JA: no
JM: we're talking about your voice, that was your voice right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you do say those braids are hot, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you said it because you believed it, right?
JA: Yes
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Jodi Arias Trial Day 21 Cross Examination Part 2 PM: Jan 22, 2008 and Memory Problems

(21:20) More Journal January 22, 2008
JM: These two entries that we have here, these journal entries. Exhibit number 456 you start them out by dating them at the upper left-hand corner of that one which is exhibit number 456. And 458ou also dated on the upper left-hand corner, or the left-hand corner you see that?
JA: Yes
JM: And you've already told us that there were no dates in between the Sunday 1/20/08 and the Thursday 1/24/08, correct?
JA Correct.
JM: And you looked at the journal, there are no entries between those to dates, right?
JA: that is correct
JM: And it's fair to say that September 22, 2008 falls in between this gap here, correct?
JA: Correct
JM: and nowhere do you mention either in this January 24th of '08 and January 20th of 08 document you don't mention anything about this physical encounter with Mr. Alexander that you told us happened on January 22nd 2008, do you?
JA: No I would have never
JM: I'm not asking you if you would ever, Do you mention it there?
JA: I said no
JM: and with regard to mentioning there, nothing stopped you from mentioning it, right?
JA: yes something did stop me
JM: So you're saying that someone held your hand and stopped you from writing that?
JA: I'm not saying that
JM: are you saying that someone came into your house and stole your journals and said you know and took whatever was the journal there took the journal, so you couldn't write in it.
JA: I'm not saying that
JM: You had the ability to write in it, right
JA: yes
JM: You had the free will to write in it, didn't you?
JA: Yes
JM: and there is nothing there, correct?
JA: Referencing that incident?
JM: Pardon
JA: do you mean referencing that incident?
JM: I can't hear what you're saying?
JA: do you mean referencing that incident, there's nothing there regarding that?
JM: Right, there's nothing referencing that incident between those two dates, is there?
JA: There is not
JM: The reason that it's not there is because it didn't happen, right?
JA: that's not right.
JM: You could have written it, you do say in exhibit number 456, I haven't written because there has been nothing noteworthy to report, right?
JA: that's right
JM: so to you getting this injury to the left ring-finger, that's no big deal, right?
JA: that's not what it says
JM: Pardon
JA: That's not what it says
JM: I'm not asking you what is says, I'm asking you what you think. It's no big deal to you then, right?
JA: That's not right
JM: well you came in and told us about it, right. But it's not written in your journal, right?
JA: No
JM: you didn't call the police, right?
JA: No
JM: you didn't get any medical care for it
JA: not professional medical care
JM: did you go to a doctor to get it looked at?
JA: No
JM: Did you go to a hospital to get it looked at?
JA: No
JM: Did you go to a friends house, or an acquaintance to tell them about it?
JA: Definitely not
JM: And during this conversation you had with Det. Flores back on July 16 of 2008 you didn't tell him anything about it, did you?
JA: No, definitely not.
JM: In fact you gave him a different story, didn't you
JA: Yes
JM: You told him something about those two people and how you got that injury to that finger, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So you're saying that what you told the detective there was a lie?
JA: Yes
JM: So in your view do you, when do you decide to tell the truth? When you're in this court and no place else is that what I'm hearing from you?
JA: No
JM: Just because you're in this court doesn't mean you have to tell the truth, I mean that's what your telling us, right?
JA: That's not what I'm telling anyone
KN: Objection
Judge: Sustained
JM: Ma'am nothing has stoped you from telling this story ever, correct?
JA: That's not correct
JM: You have freewill don't you?
JA: Yes I do
JM: Nothing the detective did stopped you from telling it, right?
JA: Flores, no
JM: Nothing stopped you, you had a car back then, didn't you?
JA: when?
JM: when this supposedly happened Jan 22nd of '08.
JA: Yes
JM: You could have driven yourself to a hospital, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You could have, do you remember telling us about an incident in August 2007 where you caught Mr. Alexander kissing another girl, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you told us that with regard to that incident I called my father, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you told him some things about what you have seen the day before, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Nothing would have stopped you from calling your father to tell him that, right?
JA: Well, sorry I'm kind of hyper literal sometimes. Nothing did that day.
JM: Yes or no would anything have stopped you from calling your father?
KN: Objection, asked and answered
Judge: Overruled
JA: Umm, maybe, but
JM: well ma'am you didn't have any problem calling in August of 2007 and complaining, did you?
JA: I did have a problem, he had to convince me to tell him.
JM: well you called him and told him, right?
JA: eventually, yes I did
JM: You called him and you told him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: you could have called him and said, hey I've got this problem with my finger, you had a telephone then, right?
JA: I didn't have a problem with my finger then.
JM: Well, I thought that you told us and testified that on January 22nd 2008 was when you had this finger injured by Mr. Alexander. Do you remember telling us that?
JA: Yes, January yes
JM: And so January 22nd of 2008 or anytime after, you had a telephone, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You could have called your father and you could have told him, right?
JA: Could have
JM: But you didn't
JA: I wouldn't have, no I did not.
JM: And noone knew about this injury or this supposed or claimed injury to the little finger until after you killed Mr. Alexander, right?
JA: That's right


(27:47)
JM: Ma'am, that was a significant day, January 22nd of 2008, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: It was significant for a number of reasons, including the fact that you claim that on January 21 of 2008 you caught Mr. Alexander masturbating to some images of boys, correct?
JA: I only saw one image, it was a blur.
JM: Ma'am didn't you say there were images, there were more than one?
JA: There were more than one image, I only caught a clear view of one image
JM: Was there more than one image ma'am?
JA: Yes
JM: but you only saw one, right?
JA: One clear,
JM: According to you
JA: mm hmm
JM: is that a yes
JA: Yes
JM: And that was the day before this supposed thing happened on where he had this violent issue with you on January 22, 2008, correct?
JA: that's right
JM: And if we go again to that entry in here of 456 ďI haven't written because there has been nothing noteworthy to reportĒ That's what you wrote, correct?
JA: Corret
JM: the way you explain it to us here, this issue involving, this claim involving Mr. Alexander, that's pretty noteworthy isn't it?
JA: Not for my journal, but, yes, in reality I guess it's pretty noteworthy..
JM: It's noteworthy isn't it?
JA: it is today
JM: It's noteworthy to you, isn't it?
JA: I already answered your question
JM: And is the answer yes or no
JA: Yes
JM: And it's so noteworthy to you that you waited until after you killed Mr. Alexander to tell anybody about it, didn't you?
JA: I waited years
JM: The answer is did you wait until after this prosecution had been started, until after you had been charged to tell anybody about it correct?
KN: Objection, asked and answered
Judge: overruled
JA: Yes, I wated years
JM: And ma'am one of the things you made it sound like he had a problem, right?
JA: He did have a problem
JM: That's what you claim, right?
JA: That's the reality
JM: That's what you claim, correct
JA: Okay, yes
JM: When back then, there was this problem, did you call, the way you made it sound it was such a big problem, did you call, for example, child protective services?
JA: No
JM: I mean you made it sound that there was such a big problem that if he spent the night somewhere, at a friend's house, and they had a child and that concerned you. Do you remember telling us that on direct examination?
JA: Yes
JM: and yet you didn't go to that person and say hey he's got this issue, did you?
JA: No
JM: You didn't go to the police department and tell them anything, right?
JA: No
JM: you chose to keep that allegation until about 2 years ago, is that right?
JA: I think it's almost 3 years ago at this point, no, I think it's almost 3 Ĺ to 4 years ago.
JM: pick a year, what year did you
JA: 2009 is when I first
JM: And
JA: told somebody
JM: and you were arrested back in July of 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and when this detective interviewed you, you didn't tell him anything about it, did you?
JA: Definitely not
JM: And you could have, though, right?
JA: in theory, yes I could have
JM: Ma'am one of the things that happened with regard to this particular issue is that there was a hearing that was scheduled involving this well, what time did this allegation happen. When do you claim, we know the date, when do you claim that you saw this masturbatory activity?
JA: It would have been in the afternoon after my morning shift.
JM: And what time would that have been ma'am?
JA: I don't know the exact time but it was afternoon well before it was dark, it was still light out.
JM: Okay, could you be more specific. Was it noon?
JA: It was after. noon.
JM: Alright, was it 2:00?
KN: Objection, asked and answered, Judge
Judge: Restate the question.
JM: If it was so noteworthy why can't you remember the time?
JA: It was kind of traumatic
JM: So, what, just because it's, weren't your senses heightened, heightened, at that time that you saw this? Didn't you get angry or upset?
KN: Objection..question
Judge: Sustained
JM: were you angry?
JA: I was sick to my stomach, I was not angry
JM: Ma'am, were you angry? Were you angry?
JA: I became angry later, but not in that moment
JM: Were you angry at that time, ma'am?
JA: I said not in that moment
JM: So the answer is no, right
JA: Yes
JM: were you upset at that time?
JA: yes
JM: so if you're upset, aren't you kind of, your senses heightened at that time, to know the time?
KN: Objection, she's answered the question.
Judge: Overruled
JA: Can you repeat that?
JM: Weren't your senses heightened because of the anger to at least know the time so that somebody could check it out?
JA: Well, you said because of anger, but I wasn't angry at that moment
JM: Well, then you see this, you're not angry and you're not upset.
JA: I am upset
JM: If you are upset, don't you think your senses were heightened to what you just saw?
JA: My mind doesn't work like that.
JM: So the answer is no, then, right?
KN: Objection..
Judge: Overruled
JA: It kind of moved in slow motion so if that's heightened
JM: Yes or no, ma'am?
JA: It's kind of a matter of opinion. I don't know
JM: And I'm asking for your opinion.
KN: It's been asked and answered, she can't speculate
Judge: Overruled
JA: whether it's heightened, my perception of things, is that your question?
JM: Right, at that time when your viewing this, the way you describe it, this bad act?
JA: Well, it's , I'm not sure, it's something that I'm never gonna forget,
JM: You're never gonna forget, right
JA: That's right
JM: but you have forgotten the time
JA: I know it was the afternoon
JM: Ma'am, I'm asking you for the time.
KN: Objection she said she doesn't know the time.
Judge: Restate your question, sustained.
JM: you said that you'll never forget it, right?
JA: the incident
JM: and I'm asking you, isn't it true that you forgot the time
KN: Objection again, she said she never knew the time.
Judge: rephrase
JM: you said that you had just been let or out from Mimi's cafe, right
JA: for a little while, I was off work for a little while
JM: you worked at Mimi's cafe, right?
JA: yes
JM: you had been working there, right
JA: yes
JM: your shift was over
JA: yes
JM: what time did your shift start?
JA: it varied
JM: that day, what time did your shift start?
JA: in the morning
JM: what time?
JA: Sometime in the morning, I don't know the exact time.
JM: You don't know the exact time, yet you knew that you had to be there on that day?
JA: Yes
JM: At a certain time? What time does Mimi's open?
JA: I've never opened Mimi's so I'm not sure, but they open early.
JM: So you don't know the time that it opens, you don't know the time that you went to work, right?
JA: not the exact time
JM: just the morning it what you can give us?
JA: Yes, the early morning
JM: So if you went at 10:00, 10-12 would only be two hours, right/
JA: that's right
JM: Was it an 8 hour shift
JA: No, they're not 8 hours
JM: So on that day it was not an 8 hour shift, right?
JA: That' right
JM: How many hours was your shift?
JA: It depended on the flow of business.
JM: I understand that it may depend on that, how many hours did you work on January 22, 2008 on this day that this horrible thing that you claim happened?
JA: I would only be able to tell you a range.
JM: How many hours then, give me a range since you what you're telling me is you don't know.
JA: I know the range, but not the exact hours.
JM: So what you're telling me is you don't know the exact hours?
JA: Yes
JM: and anything else that you'd give me would be a guess, right?
JA: Yes

(36:51)
JM: and ma'am, I mean you have a lot of memory for a lot of events involving sexual instances regarding Mr. Alexander, yet you seem to be having a lot of problems with your memory here today. And you also alluded that you have problems with your memory. Is this a long-standing thing that you've had problems with your memory of is this something that happened recently?
KN: Objection
Judge: Sustained
JM: Your problems with your memory, is it a recent vintage?
JA: Define recent.
JM: I don't know, since you started testifying.
JA: no it goes back further than that
JM: How far back does it go?
JA: I don't even know if I'd call it a problem
JM: well just tell be how far back it goes, you said you were gonna tell me, so please.
JA: how far back what goes
JM: we're talking about your memory problem, right?
JA: I don't know that I'd call it a problem.
JM: Okay
JA: I don't remember every single thing that's ever happened to me in my whole life
JM: Ma'am, your memory issues, we're talking about those, right
JA: I wouldn't even call them issues, but okay, my memory?
JM: you don't want to call them problems, right?
JA: No, I don't want to
JM: You don't want to call them issues, right?
JA: I don't know, I reall don't
JM: You don't want to call them issues, you just told me that, right?
JA: I didn't say I don't want to
JM: Alright so can we call them issues then?
JA: OK
JM: with regard to these memory issues that you claim to have when did you start having them?
(38:45)
JA: It depends on the type of the memory issue
JM: It depends on the type of the memory issue? If it benefits you, do you have a memory issue?
KN: Objection, argumentative, your Honor
JM: Or if it hurts you to you have a memory issue?
KN: the same objection, your Honor
Judge: Sustained
JM: Well
JA: When it hurts sometimes
JM: Ma'am, there's no question right now. You say you have memory problems but it depends on the circumstance, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And give me the factors, I don't want to know about a specific circumstance, what factors influence you having a memory problem.
JA: Umm, usually when men like you are screaming at me and grilling me, or someone like Travis doing the same.
JM: So that affects your memory problems, right?
JA: It does, it makes my brain scramble.
JM: So, you're saying that it's, basically what your saying is it's Mr. Marinez's fault that you can't remember things that are going on?
JA: It's not your fault
JM: I'm not saying that, you're saying that, isn't it?
JA: No, I'm not saying that.
JM: Is it something about a certain decibel of the voice that creates problems?
JA: Decibel, tone, content, sort of a combination of those factors.
KN: Objection your honor, this is a stunt. May I approach.
Judge: You may.
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Reading the last one and cracking up at Juan speaking barely above a whisper after Jodi said she gets nervous when men like him are yelling at her. Even Jodi laughed.
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JM: so if you didn't think he was dead, that portion of you didn't think he was dead, then it's okay for you at that point, if you didn't think he was dead to sort of roll around with Mr. Alexander, with Mr.Burns and that was okay, right?
JA: I'm single.
JM: Just like he was in August 8th in August of 2007
JA: Yes
JM: So it's okay for you, then it should be okay for him, right?
JA: It was okay.
JM: Then why did you confront him the next day if it was okay?
JA: Cause he was still courting me, I wanted to know where I stood.
JM: And because of your definition of courting you, you felt you deserved an explanation, right?
JA: yes
JM: Hadn't you just had intercourse with Mr. Alexander on the 4th of June?
JA: Yes
JM: And if he was still alive, he would have deserved an explanation then for you being with Mr. Burns, right?
JA: no
JM: Well, I mean that's you're applying a different standard here, aren't you?
JA: No
JM: You're saying that its okay for you to confront him about the situation, but not okay for Mr. Alexander to confront you, right?
JA: if he wanted to confront me, it would have been okay.
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Jodi Arias Trial Day 21 Cross Examination Part 2 PM: Accusation and text messages#1

(41:02)
Martinez using softer voice
JM: What time did you get off of work from Mimi's?
JA: In the afternoon
JM: Hold on, let me ask the question. What time did you get off from Mimi's on January 21 of 2008?
KN: Objection asked and answered....
Judge: Overruled
JA: A time in the afternoon.
JM: Can you be more specific about the time?
JA: No
JM: why not?
JA: Because I don't think I was looking at my watch or phone or any other clock.
JM: Where did you go after you left Mimi's?
JA: Um, I went to Travis's house.
JM: you went directly to Mr. Alexander's house?
JA: That's right.
JM: And what time did you getover to his house?
JA: I'm sorry?
JM: You couldn't hear me?
JA: I couldnít hear you
JM: What time did you get over to his house?
KN: Objection, asked and answered....
Judge: overruled
JA: about 20 minutes after I left Mimi's
JM: And, when you got there, ma'am did you walk in?
JA: yes
JM: the front door
JA: yes
JM: was it open
JA: yes
JM: was it unlocked
JA: yes
JM: And, you said you walked in and you went straight up the stairwell, right
JA: Umm, yes
JM: And you didn't say a word going up the stairwell, did you?
JA: I'm sorry
JM: You didn't say a word going up the stairway, did you?
JA: Umm, I don't remember.
JM: You didn't call out his name, right?
JA: I might have, yes.
JM: And ma'am in January 21 of 2008 you and he were broken up weren't you?
JA: Yes
JM: So it wasn't like you were boyfriend and girlfriend and you went over every day, right?
JA: we were not boyfriend/girlfriend, but I went over almost every day.
JM: Pardon
JA: We were not boyfriend/girlfriend, but I did go over almost every day
JM: You're mumbling, I didn't hear you.
JA: We were not boyfriend/girlfriend, but I did go to his house almost every day.
JM: And on this particular day, what were you there to do?
JA: He needed help putting boxes up in his attic
JM: And, had you talked to him about this previously?
JA: Yes
JM: Qas it via text message, was it via some other manner
JA: I don't remember, it was discussed
JM: Was it by telephone?
JA: Probably
JM: Well maíam how could it be discussed via telephone if you were working at Mimiís?
JA: it was discussed previous to my shift.
JM: So, what time did you discuss it then?
JA: It was, it had to do with, well it wasn't that day. It was weeks ahead of time. It was about the Christmas things that were in his attic.
JM: So now it wasn't that day that you discussed it, right?
JA: Um, once I got there we were discussing it.
JM: I want to know if that day that you claim this happened there was a telephone call in the morning.
JA: I don't remember that part
JM: And if, back then, what was your number? Weíve already heard it, but?
JA: 831-402-1901
JM: And that would have been the number that you called him on, you used to call him. That would have been the telephone you used to call him, right?
JA: Usually, yes
JM: That was your telephone, right?
JA: yes, that was my cell phone.
JM: You say, well, normally I would use that to call him. Pray tell, what other circumstances would there be that you wouldnít use your cellphone to call him?
JA: Land lines
JM: Pardon
JA: Land lines
JM: You had a land line also in your home, right?
JA: There were land-lines in the homes where I lived.
JM: Pardon
JA: There were landlines in the homes where I lived.
JM: Iím not asking about the homes where you lived, Iím asking about the homes, your home on January 21 on 2008.
JA: There was not a land-line in that home
JM: There was not, was there?
JA: No there was not.
JM: So you would have had to use your cellphone to call him, right?
JA: I probably would have used my cellphone if I called him that day, yes.
JM: And now you are saying that you aren't sure if you called him that morning, right?
JA: Um, I don't think I did cause he didnít get up early.
JM: Maíam so youíre saying you didnít call him that morning, right?
JA: I don't recall if I did or not.
JM: I thought you said that there was an agreement or arrangement for you to go over there that day.
JA: There was.
JM: Okay, what was the arrangement?
JA: The arrangement was, after Christmas, when he had packed up all of his things to put them in the attic.
JM: No, no, Iím not asking about that. Iím asking about the arrangement about the time when you were going over. I don't really care about what the activity was. What was the arrangement about when you were gonna come over and how that was going to work?
JA: Just whenever it would make sense
JM: so whenever it made sense, you were going to go over that day.
JA: Yes, that day was a good day for use
JM: And you donít know if you talked to him in the morning about if it was that day that you were going to be over?
JA: I donít remember
JM: And if you didnít talk to him, your coming over would have been a surprise then, after working at Mimiís, right?
JA: No, he was expecting me the first time
JM: How was he able to expect you the first time if you didnít call him in the morning to let him know you were going to be over that day?
JA: Because it was already discussed.
JM: When was it discussed, tell me.
JA: It was discussed multiple times in the weeks following Christmas.
JM: I understand that it was discussed multiple times in the weeks following Christmas, but in the multiple times following Christmas, did you pick a date? January 21, letís just pick December 26th. You said to him, on January 21 of 2008, Iím going to come over and help with the Christmas decorations? Is that how it worked?
JA: no
JM: No, it didnít did it. If you had an arrangement there would have been an agreement, wouldnít there have been?
JA: We werenít that formal
JM: But you just told me that you talked about it, right?
JA: It was discussed multiple times, yes.
JM: Right, and so all those multiple times you discussed it, you agreed that it was going to be January 21, 2008 after you got off work from Mimiís, is that the agreement, or is that the discussion?
JA: I donít think it was that specific at all
JM: So what was the discussion?
JA: Just whenever we got together to do it.
JM: Then he wasnít expecting you like you said he was when you came over that day.
JA: He was hoping I would come over to help him with those things.
JM: Maíam you keep saying he was hoping, how do you know he was hoping, if he didnít even know you were coming over?
JA: Based on our discussions.
JM: So in your discussions you told him I want you to hope that I come over on the 21st?
JA: I didnít tell him that
JM: Of course you didnít, the point is, you didnít, you can't tell us anything about the circumstances of that day, can you
JA: Thatís not true
JM: Well, you canít tell us about the time, right?
JA: Not a precise hour or minute
JM: You canít tell us when you worked at Mimiís, your hours, right?
JA: Not the precise hours
JM: you can't tell us the time you got over to his house, right?
JA: not the precise minute
JM: You can't tell us if there was even a telephone call that morning, right?
JA: I don't remember if there were calls that morning.
JM: You can't tell us anything, but you can tell us that you walked in and then there was this issue and you went in to help him with the Christmas decorations, right?
JA: yes
JM: And after you helped him with the Christmas decorations, you left, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You drove away, right
JA: Yes
JM: You came back, right
JA: Yes
JM: And according to you, thatís when you saw Mr. Alexander engaged in this masturbatory activity, right?
JA: yes
JM: And according to you, there were multiple photographs, but you saw one of them in particular. Correct?
JA: Yes
JM: and you then left, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you left in your car, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you went home and started driving around, right?
JA: I went home, threw up, cried and drove around.
JM: Sure, you did all these kinds of things that afternoon, right.
JA: Yes
JM: In your car, right?
JA: I didnít throw up in my car.
JM: Whatís that?
JA: I didnít throw up in my car.
JM: You drove off in your car, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Well, isn't that problematic since you were driving Mr. Alexander's car?
JA: I wasnít driving his car yet, we were supposed to swap cars.
JM: Well, he didnít have a car that day, right?
JA: We were switching cars afterward.
JM: Maíam did he have a, my question is
JA: He had a car
JM: Isn't it true, he did not have a car that day?
JA: No, he had a car
JM: Well, let's take a look at some of the text messages
JA: Okay.
JM: Iím gonna give you two sets, one with his responses and one without, okay.
JA: Okay

(51:13)
JM: Take a look at exhibit 461. Those are text messages between your telephone number and Mr. Alexanderís, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And the incoming means that thatís your message coming in to him, correct?
JA: wait, say that again. Iím sorry, I was reading.
JM: Do you remember previously testifying that when ďincomingĒ was on these text messages that was you calling, or that was you leading the message?
JA: That was me sending the message
JM: Right, and the outgoing is him sending it out, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You also talked a little bit about the timing on them, right. The times that are designated?
JA: Yes
JM: You indicated that it was 7 hours off, right?
JA: Yes
JM: That copy that I have given you has taken the time to right down the actual time minus seven hours, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Go ahead and review them to make sure the times that are on there are correct
(52:41)
JA: Yes, those are correct, I believe.
JM: Well we donít want you to believe. Take your time, subtract seven from there and make sure they are correct. Cause itís important here and we donít want you to believe.
JA: I'm pretty sure they're correct
JM: When you say pretty sure, it means you're not sure.
JA: No I said Iím pretty sure.
JM: And it does not include his response there, his outgoing messages, does it?
JA: Yeah, it looks like itís blocked out
JM: take a look at exhibit 462. Same thing, right except that this one includes his responses on there, right?
JA: Yes
JM: the times are also written in there, correct.
JA: Yes
JM: And to the best of your knowledge those are the accurate times that are written in there those are the accurate times that that message was either outgoing or incoming, right?
JA: Umm that is right, they look like they match
JM: Ok, if I can have those back

(56:00)
KN: No objection to exhibit 461 your honor
Judge: 461 is admitted
JM: Take a look at exhibit 461 and letís talk about the times first. Although it says 1/22/08 at 00:38:50 someone has written in 5:38 pm because of the 7 hour time difference that you talked about previously in direct examination, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And when we talked about, itís got your name on there, right?
JA: Thatís right
JM: Itís got your telephone number on there, right?
JA: Right
JM: And then it has the time of January 21st at 5:38 pm, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And then it says ďI can't remember am I coming in for you on Wednesday at 10:30Ē. Isnít that what it says?
JA: Yes
JM: Then, you see the next one at 6:41 pm, right? You claim you had already left Mimi's cafe in the early afternoon, right?
JA: Um, yes. I didnít say early, I said sometime in the afternoon.
JM: But you canít tell us the time, right
JA: Thatís right
JM: But, at 6:41 pm you are talking about trading cars before FHE, right?
JA: Yes
JM: FHE stands for Family Home Evening, right?
JA: Thatís right
JM: And family home evening starts at 7:00 in the evening, doesnít it?
JA: I donít remember
JM: Well, you were a practicing Mormon, right?
JA: Yes, sort of
JM: And you attended family home evenings, you were telling us about that, right?
JA: Yes, I did
JM: And you attended them more than once, right?
JA: Yes, I did
JM: And of all those times that you attended, didn't they start at 7:00?
JA: I donít remember. They were in the evening, but I donít remember the time.
JM: Would they have started at 10:00 at night?
JA: No, they were not too late
JM: How long, isn't it true that they lasted about an hour, Family Home Evenings?
JA: Yes, roughly and hour
JM: And then the people that were there, the singles that were there would get together and get involved in some sort of social activity, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Bowling, that sort of thing, right?
JA: my ward never went bowling
JM: Movies, something like that
JA: My ward never went to movies
JM: Going out to dinner
JA: It was usually at the church
JM: Well it could also be at peopleís houses, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And then at 7:19 pm you are sending him a text ďNevermind. One of the stores I need to go to closes at 8 pm. Iíll just go tomorrow, right?
JA: Thatís right
JM: Thatís evening now, right
JA: Yes
JM: You said that this incident involving the masturbatory conduct occurred in the afternoon, right?
JA: It did
JM: so it would have happened before 7:19 pm, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You were already gone, you were wherever, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you told us that no he kept calling you and kept calling you and then you said you called him back, right?
JA: Yes I did
JM: And then you went out and got him something from, I think, it was Starbucks or something and you brought him something over, remember saying that?
JA: Not that day
JM: Well, then you went over to his house, right?
JA: I did
JM: You went over and you had sex with him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: What time did you go over to his house?
JA: It was in the evening
JM: What time
JA: Donít know the time
JM: Well, if heís going to family home evening, heís not going to be around, assume it starts at seven. Heís not going to be around
KN: Objection
Judge: Restate the question
JM: If, hypothetically speaking, if Family Home Evening starts at 7:00, he's not going to be home at 7 pm is he?
KN: Objection
Judge: overruled
JA: If he went, then he wouldn't be.
JM: Iím not asking if he went. It starts at 7:00 in the evening, he would not have been home, right?
KN: Objection
Judge: Overruled
JA: It wouldn't necessarily mean that, it doesn't mean that he went, but that night he
JM: Maíam, Iím saying hypothetically. That means assume
JA: Ok, yes
JM: that he went to family home evening and if it started at 7, he wouldnít have been at his house, right?
JA: thatís right
JM: And if he has become involved in this masturbatory conduct, why are you worried about trading cars with him.
JA: I think he wanted to trade the car
JM: Maíam this isnít him writing that out there, is it?
JA: I wanted to do it before FHE, he wanted to trade the car.
JM: Well, why donít we take a look at this which is 462. This is the one that contained his responses, right?
JA: Yes
JM: take a look at it and see who was worried about trading cars.

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JM: It indicates the back and forth involving the car, doesnít it
JA: Yes it does
JM: I move for the admission of exhibit number 462.
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Jodi Arias Trial Day 21 Cross Examination Part 2 PM:text messages and phone calls

(1:02:37)
Judge: 462 is admitted
JM: Maíam you know who Alyce LaViolette is?
JA: Yes
JM: Sheís someone that is assisting you in this case, isnít it?
JA: Yes
JM: Isnít it true that you told her that the masturbatory conduct, the masturbatory conduct involving Mr. Alexander took place while he was on the computer?
JA: No, I never said that
JM: Isnít it true that you heard a statement from her indicating that you told her that the masturbatory conduct took place while he was on the computer?
JA: No, Iíve never heard her say that.
JM: Maíam were you here at a hearing
KN: Objection your honor, may I approach?
Judge: You may

(1:05:45)
JM: Maíam isnít it true that you hear Ms. LaViolette indicate that you told her that you saw Mr. Alexander masturbating to images on a computer?
JA: No, I heard you say that in the hearing.
JM: Well, maíam do you remember that I played a snippet with her voice on it?
JA: Yes, but I couldnít understand it
JM: Did you hear that snippet, yes or not?
JA: I heard it, but I didnít understand it
JM: Iím not asking you if you understood it, isnít it true that you were here when that snippet was played?
JA: Yes
JM: That snippet involved whether or not she had ever told the prosecution that you told her that you saw Mr. Alexander masturbating to images on a computer.
JA: Thatís right


JM: Let go ahead and continue with the text messages. This is now exhibit 462 and it includes the outgoing which is Mr. Alexanderís text messages, right?
JA: Thatís right
JM: And we were talking about exchanging cars of going to FHE, family home evening, right?
JA: yes
JM: And maíam you did indicate something about whether or not you called them, or did you say you did or did not call him that morning?
JA: I said I donít remember
JM: So it could be true that you did not call him that morning?
KN: Objection
Judge: Sustained
JM: So it is true that you do not know if you called him that morning, well let me do this. It could be that you did not call him that morning?
JA: It could be because I donít remember.
JM: And again is this issue with your lack of memory because of these questions, the way theyíre being posed?
JA: No
JM: Does it have to do with the volume of the person asking the questions?
JA: No, I think itís the length of time
JM: Is it, is it yes or no, the volume?
JA: That would be no.

JM: So at 7:20 you send her or send her or send him a text message, Nevermind one of the stores I need to go closes and eight, Iíll just go tomorrow, so that was one minute later, itís the same message that you sent before, correct?
JA: Thatís correct
JM: And then Mr. Alexander sends you a text message at 7:24 pm right?
JA: Right
JM: And he says ďI got a ride from some peeps in the ward now you can just go get it. Let me know when you make the exchange.Ē Isnít he telling you that he went to the Family Home Evening there?
JA: Yes
JM: So he did go to the FHE, right?
JA: Iím assuming
JM: Well, thereís nothing else indicated here, other than family home evening, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And FHE from your experience when you were going, how long would does it last?
JA: Usually about an hour, depending on the event. Sometimes thereís special events going on there.
JM: And then there are other events that may come along afterwards, right?
JA: I donít know, I usually went home after FHE
JM: To your knowledge did they end after the hour or were there chances that, even though you may not have attended, they would have gone on longer than that.
KN: Objection, calls for speculation
Judge: Overruled
JA: I guess there was a change
JM: Iím asking from your knowledge when you were going.
JA: typically we all dispersed. It was a Monday night, we didnít hang out later
JM: Okay. Then at 7:25 you sent him a text message that appears to be in response to that one, cause itís one minutes later, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you say I'm almost asleep, we'll see, right?
JA: Right
JM: Youíre talking about exchanging the car, right?
JA: Yes
JM: The big concern here is exchanging the car, right?
JA: Yes
JM: It doesnít have anything to do with what you claim you saw, right?
JA: Umm, weíre talking about the car in this text messages.
JM: And the point is, is that youíre talking about very pedestrian issues, such as exchanging a car, youíre not talking about Travis, I saw you masturbating and things like that, right?
JA: It wasnít a pedestrian issue with Travis.
JM: Pardon
JA: The car was not a pedestrian issue with Travis
JM: So youíre equating this issue with the car, the same as him masturbating to images of kids, is that what youíre saying?
JA: No, Not by a long shot, no thatís not what Iím saying.
JM: Then heís talking about you obviously don't need it that bad. I got a ride so you could go get the car, now youíre going to sleep, right?
JA: yes
JM: Heís made or tried to make arrangements for you to pick up your car, right?
JA: I donít know which car I was driving.
JM: Well, he didnít have a car because he got a ride with somebody else, right?
JA: Thatís not why he got a ride
JM: Well when he's riding with somebody else, his carís not with him, right?
JA: Thatís right
JM: And so he's without a car at FHE or wherever it is that he went.
JA: yes
JM: You have a car
JA: Yes
JM: his car, right?
KN: Objection
Judge: Overruled
JA: I don't remember which car I was driving
JM: Well, it wouldnít have been his car, because you wouldnít have needed to exchange his car for his car, right?
JA: It would have been mine or his
JM: So, youíre driving his car, right?
KN: Objection, asked and answered
Judge: Overruled
JA: Iíve already said that I donít remember which car Iím driving
JM: You indicated previously that after this happened, you went home and he kept trying to call you over and over, right?
JA: Um, I had voicemails from him, or missed calls
JM: That means he kept trying to call you over and over again, right?
JA: Right
JM: Whether he left voicemails or whatever, he kept trying to call you, right?
JA: I believe, yeah, he did.
JM: And you didnít respond to those calls, right?
JA: Not immediately, I was at the visitation center, the Visitorís Center
JM: Excuse me
JA: so I had my phone volume off.
JM: You were what?
JA: I was at the Visitorís Center
JM: What visitorís center are you talking about?
JA: The one by the Mesa temple
JM: And is that where you went after this incident happened
JA: Thatís where I ended up after driving
JM: Is this where youíre almost asleep?
JA: No this is after the fact
JM: So now youíre back at home, right and in between then and, well in between what you say you saw and when youíre home, thatís when you have all these calls, right?
JA: From the time I ran out of his house he called
JM: From the time you ran out of his house til what time of night are these calls coming in?
JA: til I called him back
JM: When, what time
JA: As soon as I left the Visitorís center, I called him.
JM: Right, so youíre sure that thereís a bunch of calls that he made to you and then they sort of piled up, whether theyíre voice messages or missed calls and then you returned his call, right?
JA: Thatís how I remember it, yes
JM: Actually, thatís not the way it really went on that day. Isnít it true maíam that there were actually 5 calls between you and him. Where he called you five times and you called him back five times. Did you know that?
JA: There were many more than five, there may be five from his cell phone
JM: Iím asking cellphone to cellphone and youíre saying that at that time you only had your cellphone. And he left you five, or he left you calls, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Actually there were only five calls from him all day long to you on the 21st, isnít that true?
JA: Thatís not true
JM: Isnít it true there was only 5 return calls from you on that day
JA: That might be true
JM: And in fact when you say that heís calling you all these times, actually didnít it go this way that you called him at 3:53 in the evening or the afternoon, didnít you?
JA: That sounds accurate.
JM: And then you called him again at 4:09 in the evening, didnít you?
JA: That sounds accurate
JM: And he returned your call at 4:29, right.
JA: I believe he did
JM: And then you called him back at 4:53, right?
JA: That sounds accurate
JM: Well, I thought you said that there was this issue that you were not returning his calls. It looks like youíre returning his calls and heís calling you back.
JA: well thatís probably his cell phone
JM: Well, what difference does it make if itís his cellphone or not? Isnít that a telephone call?
JA: Yeah, but he has a land line he called me on frequently.
JM: Right, but Iím talking about that day, the calls that were made. What was his landline number, maíam?
JA: I donít have it memorized, cause it was just in my phone as Travis Alexander
JM: so, he called, you called him at 4:53 and then he returned you call to him at 4:54 pm, remember that?
JA: I donít recall that specific, but
JM: Isnít it true he then called you back at 5:11 pm, remember that?
JA: Not specifically
JM: How about him calling you back at 5:20 pm
JA: I donít remember specifically.
JM: And how about him calling you back at 5:48, pm
JA: I just know he called me a lot that day
JM: And then you returned his call at 5:53 pm, do you remember any of that?
JA: The time sounds accurate
JM: Well then if we go then to 462 which is the text messages, we have these calls and then it picks up with text messages, you see that?
JA: Yes
JM: The communication does, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So there was never a time when, as you said previously, when you and he are not communicating. Youíre either communicating by telephone or text message, arenít you?
JA: No, thereís a gap.
JM: You said that it was right that you called him at 5:53 pm, right? You just said that that was right.
JA: It sounds about right, I donít remember the times.
JM: Right, and then the first message after this call you said sounds right at 5:53 pm is at 6:41, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Less than an hour later, right?
JA: the text, yes
JM: And then at 7:19, right?
JA: yes
JM: And if we say, hypothetically speaking that family home evening starts at seven, heís already at family home evening by the time that he sends you this text at 7:24, right?
JA: Thatís right.

(1:17:56)
JM: You then say at 7:29 pm ďI fell asleep and a phone call woke me upĒ, right?
JA: What date is that?
JM: the 21st maíam
JA: Thatís right, okay
JM: I fell asleep and a phone call woke me up. I thought you said you at the LDS center at Dobson and Southern
JA: Not by this time
JM: Well, I thought you were asleep
JA: I went home and crashed, Iíd been crying and I had a migraine.
JM: So when did you go to sleep, give us a time.
JA: I donít have a time that I fell asleep. I went to sleep after I went, came, left the Visitorís center
JM: Well, when do you have time to sleep if youíre calling him back and heís calling you and then right after that you begin texting back and forth? When is it that you find the time to sleep?
JA: Well, I didnít sleep for a long time, I just dozed off.
JM: Well, you do say at 7:25pm that youíre almost asleep, weíll see about this car transfer thing, right?
JA: Right
JM: You do put the zzs on here indicating that youíre going to sleep, right
JA: I was very tire, yes
JM: So you went to sleep, you say you went to sleep.
JA: I was laying there very tired. I think I fell asleep
JM: Well then you say four minutes later ďI fell asleep and a phone call woke me up. Thatís when I sent you a text.Ē Thatís what you say, right?
JA: Um, yeah
JM: Well, when is it that youíre sleeping? Whatís waking you up between those four minutes? Whatís going on?
JA: Um, I donít think Iím sleeping right there. I donít know. I fell asleep, he wanted me to get the car.
JM: But heís at Family home evening, already and he doesnít care because heís already at family home evening isnít he?
JA: He was a little upset because he got a ride because he thought I was gonna go get it.
JM: But it didnít happen, did it?
JA: No
JM: And the big point going on here is not talking about anything that may have happened, youíre not saying youíre upset about anything; youíre just talking about this car being exchanged, right?
JA: weíre talking specifically about the car being exchanged in the text
JM: And you donít say anything like Iím upset, we need to talk, or anything like that, do you?
JA: No
JM: You say you have a really bad headache and that you can barely move, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And thatís at 7:36, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And then thereís a gap of about 2 hours or an hour and 45 minutes which could be with an activity with family home evening, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and he says alright, Iíll get it tomorrow, then, right?
JA: He says for me to get it tomorrow
JM: Alright, get it tomorrow, right
JA: Yes
JM: In other words, make the exchange of cars thatís going to happen, letís just do it tomorrow or you do it tomorrow, right?
JA: Yes, whichever
JM: Which indicates you arenít going to get together that night, are you?
JA: At the moment, yet
JM: Not at the moment, it says Ďdo it tomorrowĒ, right
JA: when that text was sent, yes
JM: But then you want to talk to him, right
JA: Yes
JM: Thatís at 9:16 pm you say ďCan you talk right nowĒ And he says ďno not right now.Ē, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Presumably if he went to family home evening, Iím not saying that he did, thatís probably what heís doing if he did go to, right?
JA: if he did go, maybe if family home evening is still going on
JM: If he did go, right? But previously, maíam you told us that he was the one that wanted to talk to you, right? Didnít you tell us that he kept calling and calling and calling until you relented? And then you went over, right?
JA: He did want to talk to me, yes
JM: But it looks here like you want to talk to him doesn't it.
JA: I do now, yes
JM: And then you still arenít together at 11:33 and you sent him a message ďHow longĒ, right?
JA: thatís right
JM: How long is he going to be out is what youíre asking him, arenít you?
JA: No, how long til he is ready to talk
JM: well thatís part of, given what weíve seen about this relationship, isnít that part of your jealousy because you want to know whatís going on that night?
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Sustained
JM: Maíam how long thatís you saying how long before we can talk, isnít that what it means
JA: Yes
JM: And then he says to you and the times arenít there, but he does and by that I mean there werenít written in he says did you use my phone this morning without asking?
JA: Yes
JM: So, if you got together that evening it was after 11:33 after he got done doing whatever hw was doing, right?
JA: what was that questions
JM: If you got together that evening it was after he got done doing whatever he was doing?
JA: Thatís right
JM: So, it doesn't seem like heís in a hurry to talk to you, does it?
JA: I donít know
JM: It doesnít seem like heís this upset like you portrayed him that he really wanted to talk to this issue that you say that you saw him engaged in, right?
KN: Objection, calls for speculation
Judge: Sustained
JM: there are gaps here where heís doing whatever heís doing and youíre doing the asking Ďhow longí, right?
JA: Thatís right
JM: He then asks you if you used his phone in the morning without asking, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you tell him that you did, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you ask why and he says nothing, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Thereís an issue about the deposit and in fact you're asking him if he made the deposit, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and he told you that you did, right
JA: Yes
JM: Is he giving you money there?
JA: Whatís the date?
JM: Pardon
JA: Whatís the date on that one?
JM: the 22nd
JA: I think, I don't know what we were referring there
JM: well you do say, your text message does say ďdid you make the deposit?Ē
JA: yes
JM: And he said yes, and then you say what
JA: thank you, I'll make it up to you soon.
JM: It looks like he lent you money there doesnít it?
JA: Yes
JM: Any idea how much money he lent you?
JA: He lent me money in small increments, I donít remember
JM: And he would do it if you needed it, right?
JA: If he could, he would, yes
JM: And if you needed it, right?
JA: Yes
JM: That same day at 3:36 in the afternoon you say to him ďIím gonna need a ride at 4pm. Txt me.Ē Still the issue of the car, right?
JA: Yes
For him to
JM: Whereís your car
JA: Um, probably parked at his house
JM: Howíd you get to work?
JA: Sometimes he drove me and sometimes I carpooled with a co-worker
JM: So what happened on this particular day?
JA: I donít remember.
JM: What time did you get to work?
JA: I donít remember, I usually worked in the mornings, but sometimes I worked evenings also.
JM: So this day, you were going to get off at 4:00, right?
JA: Well, it would vary, if business permits
JM: but thatís what it says there, right
JA: Yes
JM: And this is at 3:36, you want him to pick you up, right?
JA: Yes
JM: How long is your shift, usually, four, six, eight hours?
JA: um depended on the flow of business, typically it was 4-6 hours
JM: And then at 4:04 you sent him a text message: ďScratch that. Theyíre keeping me here til 5pm! =( can you pick me up then? The lunch offer from my voicemail still stands. What are you talking about?
JA: For him to pick me up after work
JM: Pardon
JA: For him to pick me up after work
JM: No, Iím asking about the lunch offer, Iím not asking about him picking you up.
JA: I felt really bad for him after everything that happened, so I offered, I was just trying to feel better because if I were in his shoes, Iíd just want to jump off a bridge
JM: So what about the lunch offer, what are you talking about?
JA: Thatís what it was; I offered to get him lunch
JM: Well itís 4:00 in the afternoon, lunch is usually at noon, isnít it?
JA: well not for Travis
JM: Then he says Sure. Iím almost off, yay, are you eating? If so, just sit at the counter, right?
JA: Right
JM: Throughout this whole text message between you and him, thereís no discussion about anything that may have happened on the 21st is there?
JA: Not in text messages, definitely not.
JM: The answer is no, right
JA: No
JM: And in terms of the phone calls that you claim were being made, there wasnít this barrage of phone calls from him that you didnít respond to. Actually it was more give and take, wasnít it?
JA: He left a barrage of phone calls at one period of time, yes.
JM: Pardon
JA: he did. He left a barrage of phone calls
JM: well, letís just take a look at his phone records, okay, so that we can see.
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I guess I'm gonna answer me. I gather from googling "when did Jodi Arias confess to killing Travis Alexander" it happened in opening statement by her attorney. And then again on the first day she testified. So, trial bombshell indeed.
I seem to remember hearing that the story of self-defense started in 2010. I can't remember where I read that though.
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I was just looking over Flores' investigation report and noticed that Flores got the pics of Jodi from Travis' camera on 6-19, 6 days before her 6-25 phone interview. It's interestIng to go back and listen to the 6-25 interview knowing Flores already knows Jodi was at Travis' house on 6-4
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I was just looking over Flores' investigation report and noticed that Flores got the pics of Jodi from Travis' camera on 6-19, 6 days before her 6-25 phone interview. It's interestIng to go back and listen to the 6-25 interview knowing Flores already knows Jodi was at Travis' house on 6-4
Hello!

I am a long time lurker, first time poster here. Went back to page 1 to listen to the 6/25 interview and couldn't find it in its entirety.

So - I went out to the webz and managed to find this! :

Apologies if it's here somewhere and I missed it.
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Jodi Arias Trial Day 21 Cross Examination Part 3: Accusation and Magazines
JM: Nowhere in your journal do you ever mention anything about Mr. Alexander and this incident that you claim involving masturbatory conduct, correct?
JA: Thatís correct
JM: Take a look at exhibit 463 listing phone calls between you and Mr. Alexander or from Mr. Alexander to you
(1:30)
JA: Ok
JM: I understand those are not your phone records, right?
JA: Thatís right
JM: And so I donít expect you to vouch for the authentication aspect of it, but we did previously discuss the between you and Mr. Alexander and you indicated that that seems right. The calls that were previously discussed, theyíre on that sheet, correct?
JA: Um, not all of the calls but yes some are
JM: All of the calls that are there are the oneís between you and him, correct?
JA: The ones highlighted are between him and I, yes
JM: There are other calls, but not between you and him, right?
JA: yes

JM: And the calls between you and him are the ones that you and I talked about and that you indicated that they seemed right, correct?
JA: They seem correct, thatís right
JM: That sheet bears that out, correct
JA: Yeah, the times are out of order, but
JM: The times are out of order; theyíre out of order because theyíre different switches that carried the calls, right?
JA: I donít know
KN: Objection
JM: But they are out of order
JA: The times are out of order, yes
JM: But the, in terms of the calls themselves, for example we talked about you calling him at 3:53 pm, you could find that on there, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Thereís a blue marking for those, right
JA: Yes
JM: Thereís that call, right and there is no other call on the 21st previous to 3:53 pm that you can see, right?
JA: You mean from me to him?
JM: Um, right or from him to you or from you to him
JA: From me to him, I donít see any others before 3:53
JM: Right, and the last call that was made by Mr. Alexander on that telephone was at 7:11 pm, right?
There are no calls from his phone number after
JA: I donít see the one at 7:11
JM: The last call period that he made, not just to you, but to anybody.
JA: On the 21sr
JM: to anybody
JA: Okay
JM: That is the last call, right? There may be others that have called him, but thatís the last call he made.
JA: Oh, I didnít look at who was calling who. Um it looks like this is the last call from his cell phone on the 22nd,
JM: The 21st
JA: um the 21st, my apologies.
JM: Maíam this issue regarding your allegation, if I may have that back, that Mr. Alexander was engaging in masturbation while viewing images of boys and girls, that was subject of a hearing back on August 8 of 2011 wasnít it?
JA: Um, I believe it was, partly
JM: Well, maíam let me show you a document to make sure weíre clear. If I can have it certified.

Attorneys at sidebar
(10:18)
JM: Maíam look at exhibit 464 and see if this refreshes your recollection as to the date of the hearing, which is in the upper right-hand corner, and then take a look at page three to see if that refreshes your recollection that there was a hearing at all
(11:10)
JA: Yes, there is some language I don't understand but I can remember this
JM: Right, Iím just asking about the date, August 8th, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And the purpose of that hearing involved at least an aspect of the allegation that Mr. Alexander had engaged in pedophilic conduct, correct
KN: Objection
Judge: Overruled
JA: an aspect, yes
JM: and 4 days, on August 4th before that, you tried to get somebody to lie at that hearing, didn't you?
JA: No
JM: Alright, let me show you some documents. I want you to take a look at exhibit 465.
KN: Judge we're gonna object, may we approach?
Judge: Yes, you may approach

(19:16)

Judge: Exhibit 465 is admitted
Maíam, previously you talked to us yesterday during direct examination about being in jail and doing and interview with Inside Edition, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And in fact you were in jail when you received this magazine, correct
JA: Yes
JM: Itís addressed to you, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And with regard to this magazine, on August 4th, isnít it true that an individual by the name of Ann Campbell came to visit you
JA: Yes
JM: And she came by and the visitation began at 1:36 but for you, roughly 1:30 in the afternoon, right?
JA: Yeah, it was in the afternoon.
JM: And that conversation between you and Ann Campbell lasted approximately an hour, correct?
JA: Um, it lasted a long time from what I remember
JM: And as part of the process while you were there, as part of the visitation one of the things that you wanted to do was to give two magazines to Ms. Campbell, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: and the way it works is that before you give that magazine, it has to go through a guard so that they can give it out to the person, right?
JA: It has to go through a sergeant
JM: Right, and in this case, thatís what happened with the magazine, correct?
JA: umm yeah, it goes through an officer, then a sergeant, then another officer.
JM: Bottom line is you wanted to give this magazine to Ann Campbell, right?
JA: That one and another one
JM: Right, Star magazine, correct?
JA: Yes, Star
JM: Well letís look at the other magazine. Take a look at exhibit number 466.
JA: Is this the magazine that you wanted to give to Ann Campbell, exhibit 466?
JA: I donít see
JM: Well, itís got your name as the addressee, correct?
JA: Um, yes
JM: And it is a Star magazine, correct?
JA: Yes, thatís the one
JM: And itís the one that went along with the photography magazine, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Move for the admission of exhibit 466.
KN: No objection
Judge: 466 is admitted

(24:54)
JM: Exhibit 465 is called Digital Photo Pro magazine, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: You previously indicated to us that youíre very interested in photography and that sort of thing, right?
JA: I, yes, I was
JM: And that for many years prior to your arrest that you were involved in that sort of thing?
JA: Yes
JM: You took photographs at weddings and other kinds of photographs, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And here is the tag thatís on there, it does have your name on there, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And inside this magazine on page 6, if you just look at it, would be the printed numbers to the side and the red numbers to the side. There is some writing in pencil can you see it?
JA: Yes
JM: And can you tell us, if you can, what that says.
JA: Mark Stanach 520-256-1178, ABC in parentheses
JM: And you know who Mark Stanach is, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Mark Stanach is a producer for at that time was a producer for ABC news, correct?
JA: Yes, well I donít know if he was a producer at that time
JM: But he had visited you on occasion, right?
JA: Um, yes about four years ago
JM: Right about the same time that itís going on, let me just show you exhibit number 467. Does that refresh your recollection as to when this individual from ABC news was visiting you?
JA: Um, yes
JM: And what dates did he visit you?
JA: July 8 2009 and September 17, 2009
JM: Okay and thatís the same individual thatís mentioned there, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You previously indicated to us that in regards to Inside Edition that they came to visit you and that you really didnít solicit them coming out to the jail to talk to you, right?
JA: Thatís right
JM: And that you believe that the guard pushed you into that interview, right?
JA: Inside Edition, yes
JM: And what was that guardís name?
JA: I donít remember her name, it was 5 years ago, almost, she didnít push me, she just encouraged me.
JM: Well who, whatís the name of this person that encouraged you?
JA: I donít remember her name, they donít wear nametags.
JM: But with regard to the visit involving to Mark Stanach at ABC news she had nothing to do with that, right?
JA: No, nothing to do with that one
JM: And you took his visit, right?
JA: Yes I did
JM: You can refuse a visit from anybody you want, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And you did not refuse his visit, right?
JA: Thatí right
JM: Now, letís take a look at another page, page 20 and there are some words there are page 20 and theyíre kind of hard to find, but theyíre in pencil, right. The writings?
JA: I havenít seen them
JM: Those are in pencil, right?
JA: It looks like it, yes
JM: Pardon
JA: It looks like it, yes
JM: Well, no, take a look at it, I want to make sure.
JA: Yes, it is.
JM: and where you are living currently they do not allow pens, right?
JA: Thatís right
JM: They only allow pencils, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And on this page number 20 it says, read it for me
JA: you testify so
JM: Page 37, you would agree that the one on page 20 is kind of hard to find.
JA: It seems like it, yeah
JM: Page 37 has some more writing on it, see that, right there. Again if the glare is too much let me know and Iíll
JA: It looks like it says, oh you want me to read it, sorry?
JM: yes, please
JA: It looks like it says ďwe can fix thisĒ
JM: ďwe can fix thisĒ, right?
JA: Right
JM: Page 40 has some more writing on it, and the lightingís not so good, but it says. What does it say?
JA: It looks like it says directly contradicts what I've been saying for over a year
JM: ok and the publishing date on this item is August 2011 correct?
JA: That's correct
JM: Page 43 says what?
JA: It says you ****ed up what you told my attorney the other the next day
JM: ok and page 54 says, what
JA: Interview was excellent, must talk ASAP
JM: and 56 says what
JA: get down here ASAP and see me before you talk to them again and before
JM: It doesn't seem to make much sense but let me mark exhibit for you.

(32:42)
Take a look at exhibit 468 this contains the pages of what was written on them, doesn't it?
And if you need the book let me know.
JA: Yes
JM: I move for the admission of exhibit 468
KN: Objection as to foundation
Judge: approach

(34::50)
Judge: 468 is admitted
JM: In summary this is what we've just covered, correct, in the magazine
JA: Thatís correct
[Exhibit 468: Digital Photo Pro Magazine
Page 6: March Stanoch (520)256-1178 (ABC)
Page 20: You testify so
Page 37: We can fix this
Page 40: directly contradicts what I've been saying for over a year
Page 43: You ****ed up. What you told my attorney next day
Page 54: Interview was excellent! Must talk asap!
Page 56: Get down here asap and see me before you talk to them again and before]
JM: Letís take a look at the Star magazine, which is exhibit 466, and this is addressed to you correct?
JA: Yes
JA: I see July 2011 up in the corner and Feb 6 2012 there
JM: If we go to page 82, because if we look at this exhibit number 468, what is written here doesn't seem to make sense, right?
JA: Not offhand, not
JM: But if we then go to exhibit 466, there are some numbers on the bottom of that and they are in pencil, arenít they?
JA: Um, yes
JM: What are the numbers?
JA: My understanding is that theyíre page numbers
JM: That may be your understanding but what are the numbers
JA: 43, 40, 56, 20, 37, 54
JM: ok. If we then combine with exhibit 468, according to those numbers, maíam, I want you to take a look at an exhibit: 469. Does exhibit 469 have those statements in the order that was set up in Star magazine?
JA: Yes
JM:
JM: Move for the admission of exhibit number 469
Objection your honor.
Judge: Overruled, exhibit 469 is admitted.

(38:52)
JM: Take a look at, read it please
JA: You ****ed up. What you told my attorney next day directly contradicts what I've been saying for a year. Get down here asap and see me before you talk to them again and before you testify so we can fix this. Interview was excellent! Must talk asap!
JM: so maíam this was written in these two magazines four days, when you attempted to transfer them, four days before a hearing on August 8, 2011, right?
JA: I don't know where they were written
JM: Well, this magazine the Star magazine as well as the photography magazine, You attempted to transfer those on August 4 four days before this hearing, right?
JA: Just the magazines, yes
JM: I know you keep saying just the magazines, the magazines have your name on them, correct?
JA: Yes, Iím only allowed to release my own property
JM: Maíam, I understand that, but those magazines have your name on them, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And those magazines were in your possession on August 4th of 2011, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And those magazines you had with you when you went to meet with Ann Campbell, right?
JA: I brought them almost to the visit, but they donít go with me to see her
JM: Excuse me?
JA: They donít go with me to see her they get passed off to several officers.
JM: I understand, but you brought them there yourself, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And you, at some point during the visit requested that these magazines be given to Ann Campbell, right?
JA: Yes
JM: These two magazines that weíre talking about, correct?
JA: Correct
JM: And that was actually done, and youíre trying to tell us about the process. Why donít you tell us what the process is
JA: The process is when you want to release property, you have to fill out a request, you have to state your request fairly specifically, what youíre releasing, the title of what youíre releasing. Um at least those are the rules now, theyíve updated it. It was more generic then. And it is given to an officer who inspects it and when it passes inspection itís given to a sergeant who approves then itís passed off to, um, either I think itís called thereís a control center itís given to that officer, then itís given to a visitation officer so when the visitor leaves, they pick up the property and go.
JM: And thatís how this, and you attempted to use that process to get these magazines to Ann Campbell, right?
JA: Yes
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Jodi Arias Trial Day 23 Morning Cross part 1

*JM:* Maíam when you were 17 years old, you moved out of your parentsí house and you moved into Bobby Juarez, correct?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And you and he were living at his grandmotherís house, correct?
JA:* Um, I believe they were his grandparents, but he called them his parents
JM:* And this was in Montague, correct?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And the address actually was 611 N. 9th street in Montague, California, in Montague, correct?
JA:* I donít remember the house number, but ninth street is correct
JM:* And part of what happened when you were living with him was that you and he became much closer, right?
JA:* Um we just continued our relationship
JM:* Yeah, but it got to a point though that you felt something, right, that something was wrong.
JA:* Umm, yes, oh yeah thatís right
JM:* and you felt that something was wrong and so it was something that was inside you and so that for a period of time you kept it inside you but there was a feeling that something was wrong involving Mr. Juarez, right?
JA:* It was more than a feeling, but
JM:* When you say it was more than a feeling, what are you talking about, did you see something else, or what?
JA:* I saw and heard, yes
JM:* And you saw, before you did anything, what did you see?
JA:* Um, he used to talk on the phone a lot with a woman that he was friends with prior to our relationship that he had been interested, said he was no longer interested, but their conversations were long, kind of a little over the line for what I feel is appropriate for a boyfriend of mine.
JM:* So, you had this sense that something was wrong, he was talking on the telephone to somebody that he previously knew before, correct?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And this individual was in New Orleans, Louisiana then, correct
JA:* Yes
JM:* And because the conversations took a long time,that was something that sort of gave a rise to you, to feel that something was wrong additionally, right?
JA:* That and he had a prior interest in her
JM:* Ok, so he had a prior interest in her and he was on the telephone and you believed also that the subject matter that he was addressing on the telephone was something that was also inappropriate, right?
JA:* Somewhat, yes
JM:* When you say somewhat it means it wasnít, so what are you talking about, what is the subject matter, donít tell me what he said, what subject matter did they discuss that you thought was inappropriate?
JA: Um, it was more, I don't remember the specific subject matter, it was the tone, and the way he spoke to her, that kind of thing
JM: Okay so now it wasn't subject matter, it was just the tone that you are talking about, right
JA: No, it was subjectmatter, I just don't remember the specific subject matter
JM: And as a result of that one of the things that happened is that you had a car, right
JA: Yes
JM : And you were driving around occasionally
JA: All the time
JM: so you were driving around then, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And at some point one day you were going to go to work, right
JA: Yes
JM: And when you were going to work, one of the things that happened was you stopped at the library, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And you stopped at the library so that he could go onto a computer there at the library and log on and look at whatever he was going to look at
JA: Both of us, yes
JM: Well, did you get on that same computer with him?
JA: Yes
JM: So at the same time that you're on there, you go onto that computer and you're looking at what's going on, right?
JA: Yes for one period of time
JM: When you say long period of time how long were you on there that's a long period of time when you're at the library?
JA: I didn't say long, I said one
JM: So one period of time, is that what you say?
JA: Yes
JM: Are you saying it was just one time
JA: That day, yes
JM: So that day, as I understand what you're saying is, you go to the library with him and he gets on the computer and you're looking at this computer too?
JA: we get on the computer together
JM: Okay, both of you get on the computer, did you use a code, a password, how is it that it work?
JA: Um, there was not code necessary for the websites we were visiting at the moment.
JM: Anbody can get on the computers there at the library and get into someone's, for example, hotmail account?
JA: I think there would be a password necessary for hotmail, but Id on't know you could get on the computer for something without a password necessary or a login in Yreka in 1997, at that time, yes,or that was '98, excuse me.
JM: So you in order to login, what you're saying is you did or you didn't need a password to get onto the computer
JA: Um, did not need a password to get onto the computer
JM: But you did need a password to get onto, for example, hotmail, a specific hotmail account, right?JA: that's right
JM: or a gmail account if that was around?
JA: Um, yes, I would think, I don't know about gmail.
JM: but it was hotmail back then, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And both of you went onto this computer and he looked at whatever he was looking at and you looked at whatever you were gonna look at and you dropped him off at a friend's house, I think is what you said, right
JA: Well there was one thing that happened in between that
JM: Pardon
JA: There was one thing that happened in between that
JM: I understand that you want to tell me about that, but you did drop him off at some point, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And after you dropped him off, you were supposed to go to work, weren't you?
JA: Umm, yes
JM: That's what you told us on direct examination, right?
JA: That' right
JM: And after you went to work, you didn't tell us about anything that was in between there on direct examination, did you?
JA: Um, I don't know
JM: Do you have a problem with your memory, I mean this was approximately no more than two weeks away
JA: I don't think I had a problem
JM: But you don't remember things that happened two weeks, within two weeks, do you?
JA: Sometimes yes, sometimes no
JM: And in this case, you don't, right?
JA: Um, I don't remember if I gave you the details
JM: So the answer is either yes or no, do you remember
JA: Remember what?
JM: What are we talking about?
JA: We're talking about the incident
JM: Right, and what specifically of the incident are we talking about?
JA: I'm not sure
JM: So you're having trouble focusing on what's being asked of you today? Having memory problems?
JA: Yes
JM: So, when I asked you about what was going on with Mr. Juarez, you had no problem understanding about Mr. Juarez, right
JA: That's right
JM: And you had no problem understanding that we're talking about the time you and he went to thelibrary so that you could get onto the computer and look at the computer, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And during that time after you looked at the computer, you were going to go to work, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And on the way to work, you dropped of Mr. Juarez wherever it was you dropped him off, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And after you dropped him off, you, because of whatever reason decided to go back to that computer, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And what you're telling us, is that when you went to that computer, you hit backspace, right?
JA: Yes
JM: That's what you told us on direct examination, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And when you hit backspace you were able to access Bobby's hotmail account, right
JA: Yes
JM: Even though that's password protected, right?
JA: Only if you log out
JM: So if you don't log out you can get right back on, right
JA: as long as your not logged out, yes
JM: And so in this particular case, the security at the library is such that if they didn't log out anybody could have come in and looked at what's going on, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And in this case, that's what you're telling us happened, right?
JA: Yes, he did not log out
JM: And you didn't think of telling him to log out either, right?
JA: By that point I was on another computer
JM: Yes or no, yes or no
JA: No
JM: And with regard to the portion of the hotmail you were obviously looking at the hotmail account, the two of you together, right
JA: No
JM: Well if you need a password to get into the hotmail account and you say both of you were looking at this account
JA: I didn't say that
JM: Well didn't you tell us that you and he went onto this computer together?
JA: That's right
JM: And that you were there when he was looking at this computer, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you're also telling us that you need a password to look at the hotmail account, right
JA: That's right
JM: So while you're sitting there and while he puts the password in for the hotmail account, he accesses or looks at his hotmail account in front of you, right?
JA: No
JM: Well I thought you were sitting next to him
JA:* I was at one point
JM:* And now youíre not sitting next to him when he's looking at his hotmail account, right
JA: No, I went to my own computer to login to my email
JM:* So the answer is no you werenít sitting next to him to look at his Hotmail account, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you went over to another computer to look at at this point, right?
JA: Yes
JM:* How long were the both of you there at the library?
JA: I don't remember, but it wasn't too long
JM: And after that is when you dropped him off somewhere, right?
JA: Yes, at his friend's house
JM: And that's when you had this idea to go back and look at his computer, right?
JA: That's right
JM:* And, did you think of asking him what he was doing?
JA: I did ask him
JM:* And you werenít satisfied with his responses, were you?
JA: that's right
JM: You were suspicious, right
JA: Very
JM: And so you were, at that point very direct about, or focused about what you were going to do, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You were going to go back to that library to see what was in that computer, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Even though that was not your account?
JA: Yes
JM:* You, in a sense, were snooping in someoneís mail, weren't you?
JA: I guess you could put it that way
JM: No, I want to know how you would put it?
JA: That's not how I would put it
JM: Ma'am is there any other way to put it other than you were looking at things that were not yours to look at?
JA:* I would put it a different way
JM: You would put, itís not snooping, then even though that's not your accout
JA: That's not how I would put it
JM: I know that's not how you would put it, but that's what you were doing, right?
JA: It could be looked at that way
JM: Well, Iím asking how you you would look at it, did you tell Bobby, hey, I'm going back to look in your account, you didn't do that, right
JA: No
JM: You didnít say to him and then when I go back to look at this account I'm gonna look to see if there are any letters between you and this woman, right
JA: No
JM: And in fact you didn't tell him if I find something, Iím going to print those letters out, right?
JA: I didn't know him that
JM: Well, you didn't tell him that you, any of that before you went there, right
JA: No, I did not
JM: And you did all of this without his permission, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And so you go back and you tell us that you hit the backspace button and your there into his hotmail account, right?
JA: That's right
JM: So how much time passed between the time he was on there and you came back?
JA: Well it's Yreka, so not much time, he wasn't far
JM: Give me a time, it may be doesnít matter where you are, I just want to know how much time
JA: Between what and what again?
JM: What are we talking about, Ma'am?
JA: We're talking about the incident
JM: Right, a nd weíre talking about where you took him, right
JA: Yes
JM: And we're talking about you coming back, right?
JA: Okay
JM: And weíre also talking about the time he logged in initially, right?
JA: Okay
JM: And we're talking about how much time elapsed between the time he logged in and the time you came back and hit that backspace button.
JA: I don't know
JM: Could it have been an hour?
JA: No, it was not an hour, I almost had to be at work, like, right then
JM: What's that?
JA: I had to be at work almost right then, so it was only a matter of minutes
JM: So you decided to, so it's only a matter of minutes, your saying it's about five minutes then?
KN: Objection, mischaracterizes her testimony
Judge: restate your question.
JM: How many minutes?
JA: I donít know, I wasnít timing it.
JM: Did you, after that, Did you go to work and say hey, I'm not gonna come and do work or did you go back to the library
JA: At what point
JM: At the point that you decide to go back to the library
JA: I went to the library first before going to work
JM: I'm not asking you that, did you notify work, ma'am, that you were going to be late?
KN: Objection, relevance
Judge: Overruled
JA: I notified them afterward I did, I didn't notify them that I'd be late, I notified them that I wasn't coming in that day.
JM: In other words you didnít even have the courtesy to tell them that you weren't going to come in until after this computer issue was
KN: Objection argumentative, relevance
JM: presented
Judge: Sustained
JM: So you didn't tell them that you weren't going to work until after the this computer issue, right?
KN: Objection, argumentative and relevance. He restated the same question.
Judge: Overruled
JA: After the computer, is that what you asked?
JM: Yes
JA: Yes, I was too upset
JM: And how long, did I ask ou if you were upset?
JA: mm mmm,
JM: Is that no?
JA: no
JM: So did you then go to the computer and you started looking at it, right, you hit the backspace button, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Did it take you directly to his correspondence?
JA: Yes
JM: And you started reading things, right
JA: Yes
JM: What was the name of this woman?
JA: I don't remember
JM: And you did print out some of the letters, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you believed they were inappropriate, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And they were inappropriate, they weren't of a sexual nature, were they
JA: Umm, no
JM: They were just sortof friendly kind of letters, right
JA: They were beyond friendly
JM: Well, they weren't sexual, though, right
JA: No
JM: And they didn't indicate that they had met recently, or anything like that, right?
JA: They had never met before
JM: And they had never had any sort of , I don't know, physical contact the point is they hadnít met before, correct?
JA: Not by that point
JM: They hadnít before at the point that you are looking at these letters, right?
KN: objection argumentative
JA: Yes, not by that pont.
Judge: overruled
JM: And you then, however, decided that there was a problem, that he was cheating on you, right
JA: Yes
JM: And that sort of validated what youíd been feeling, right
JA: Yes, very much
JM: And so you decided to do something about it right then and there, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You didnít go into work, right?
JA: Umm, I did not
JM: You did notify them them that you were not going to go into work that day, that's what you told us, right?
JA: Yes I did
JM: Where were you working?
JA: I think I was working at the Purple Plum
JM: And then you went to where Mr. Juarez was and you started to talk to him about these letter, right?
JA: First I printed them, then I went there with them
JM: You did go to talk to Mr.* Juarez, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And you had these letters and you confront him with them, with the letters, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Ma'am, in your personal life, not in your professional life, but in your personal life, youíre very direct when you feel youíve been aggrieved aren't you?
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Overruled
JA: It depends on how comfortable I am with the person.
JM: Well, you were comfortable enough to immediately confront Bobby, right?
JA: Absolutely
JM: Because you had a relationship, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You didn't waste any time going right to him and saying, look,I have these letters and they're a problem for me, right?
JA: I didn't say that
JM: You didnít go to him, you didn't go to him with these letters?
JA: I did but I didn't say what you said
JM: Well, so you told him you were okay with the letters, then, right?
JA: I didnít say that either
JM: Well, you let him know that you had a problem with those letters, didn't you?
JA: I didn't say anything I handed them to him and cried and he read them
JM: So you went in there, you gave him the letters and you started to cry, right
JA: Yeah
JM: But that was after you had not gone into work, after you had sort of gone into his computer, his personal items and then immediately within minutes, cause Yrekaís really small according to you, you were there confronting him, right?
JA: I guess you could say confrontation
JM: No, I don't want you tosay, I don't want you to guess on anything. You were there showing him these letters, I don't know if you were saying a word or not, you were there, right?
JA: Define showing, I just handed them to him
JM: Okay, showing, giving someone the letters doesnít mean showing them to you?
JA: They were folded up
JM: Giving someone the letters doesn't mean showing them to you, that person?
JA: It could
JM: It could, well you were there, if you gave him the letters your intent was to have him look at them, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So when you gave them to him, you showed him the letters, right?
JA: He reviewed them
JM: Ma'am did you show him the letters?
KN: Objection asked and answered
Judge: Sustained
JM: After you gave him the letters, he began to read them?
JA: Yes
JM: And you were standing there, right
JA: Yes
JM: And you did not waste, in other words, you immediately went to see him, there wasnít anything intervening other than going to work and letting them know that you were not going to come into to work, right?
JA: Actually thatís not right, I did go home and get all my things and move it out
JM: So you were even more assertive you were not gonna put up with any of this you put the stuff that you had at his house and then you moved out, right?
JA: Yes
JM: That's assertive isn't it, even at the age of 17 or 18, isn't it
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: sustained
JM: you didn't waste any time at that tender age, did you
JA: No, I'd never been cheated on before
JM: Ma'am, did I ask you if you've been cheated on before?
JA: No
JM: Iím asking you whether or not at that moment you made that decision and you moved out, right?
JA: Yes
JM: you weren't gonna put up with it, right?
JA: No
JM: And then you went to talk to him about it, right?
JA: Yes
JM : And then you guys broke up about it, over it
JA: We actually didn't
JM: You stayed with him
JA: Yes
JM: Even though you felt that you had been cheated on, you decided to stay
JA: After some talking
JM: The answer is yes or not, did you decide to stay
JA: Eventually, yes
JM: Eventually means ah there was something that happened in between and you're telling us that you talked about it right?
JA: mmm hmm
JM: Is that yes
JA: That's yes
JM: Where did you go with your stuff, where did you actually spend the night that night after you took your stuff and put it in the car?
JA:* my grandmothers
JM:* And how long did you stay there?
JA:* I donít remember, it wasnít too long
*JM:* Was it days, was it hours?
JA:* Probably a few days
JM:* So after a few days, you decided to get back with Bobby, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And that was your decision, right?
JA:* To get back with him
JM:* Yes
JM:* That was after talking to him, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* Whatever it was that he said, and whatever thoughts you were thinking, you felt comfortable enough to go back, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* Additionally, do you remember when we talked about Matthew McCartney?
JA:* Yes
JM:* You sort of did the same thing with regard to him, didnít you?
JA: In what way
JM:* In the way we are talking about
JA:* Be more specific
JM:* Okay, you had a feeling, you remember, after looking at a photograph?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And based on that feeling, you drove to Crater Lake, right?
JA:* No
JM:* Where did you drive to maíam?
JA:* I drove to Crater Lake, but not based on a feeling.
JM:* Well, you saw a photograph with a little B on it, right
JA:* yes
JM:* And you believed something was going on, right?
JA:* Not at that point
JM:* Well at some point you did go to Crater lake what is it that you learned that allowed you to go to Crater Lake, right?
JA:* Um, two of his co-workers told me that he was with a girl named Bianca
JM:* You were at work, right?
KN:* Objection let her answer the questions
Judge:* give your response
JA:* A couple was, came into my work and they told me they wanted to tell me something and it was about Bianca
JM:* And so you saw the photograph, you heard this, and you immediately left work, right?
JA:* I went home early, yes
JM:* But you immediately left work isnít that what I asked you?
JA:* No, I had to do some side work before I left
JM:* How much time elapsed between the time that you heard about this and the side work?
JA:* Probably five to10 minutes
JM:* And so then after the five to ten minutes, you left because you were going to go take care of this issue by speaking with Bianca, right?
JA:* First I drove to Ashland
JM:* Did I ask you where you went?
JA:* Yes
JM:* No, I asked you whether or not you confront, went to speak with Bianca.* Did you speak to her that day?
JA:* Yes
JM:* Did you tell us that you drove an hour and a half
JA:* I believe it was about that long
JM:* And so you werenít going to put up with that, were you?
JA:* Put up with what?
JM:* Well, what is it that weíre talking about here
JA:* Which part put up with?
JM:* Were you gonna put up with what we just talked about, are you having problems understanding again whatís going on?
JA:* Sometimes, you go in circles
JM:* Maíam, Iím asking you, Did you have any problem knowing that we were talking about Matthew McCartney?
JA:* No
JM:* Did you have any problem that we were discussing Bianca?
JA:* No
JM:* Did you have any problem after you told us that you were at work, right?
JA:* Did I have any problem?
JM:* Understanding that
JA:* No
JM:* Did you have any problems understanding that after five or ten minutes you left, right?
JA:* Thatís right
JM:* And then after five or ten minutes, you went, drove an hour and a half to speak with Bianca, right?
JA:* No
JM:* What did you do in between?
JA:* I drove about 15 miles south to my home in Ashland changed out of my stinky work clothes, and just threw on some jeans and a t-shirt and hit the road.
JM:* Other than your stop at your house to change clothing, you did go straight to talk to Bianca, right
JA:* Yes
JM:* Because you, whenever you feel that somethingís not right,* thatís your personality it appear, you are going to confront that person, right?
JA:* Not necessarily
JM:* Pardon, not necessarily, well the two occasions that we know of with the two boyfriends, isnít that what youíve done?
JA:* Um, yes
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JM:* And so, with regard to Mr. Alexander, sort of the same thing happened back in August of 2007?
JA: No, it was in June
JM: Pardon
JA: June
JM: Well do you remember talking to us about an incident in August of 2007 when you were looking inside and you saw him kissing a woman, do you remember that?
JA: okay that incident was in August
JM: Do you remember that
JA: Yes
JM: And you weren't happy with that incident, were you?
JA: No
JM: And you thought you were being courted
JA: I was being courted
JM: And you felt that you were being wronged, right?
JA: I wouldn't say wronged
JM: Well, you felt strongly enough about it to go and confront him the next day, didn't you?
JA: I don't even know if it was confrontation. It was very non-confrontational on my end.
JM: You went to see him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You went to talk to him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You went to clear things up, right
JA: Yes, exactly
JM: You just have a problem with the word confrontation, because you say you are not confrontational, right?
JA: No, it's because I wasn't allowed to be confrontational with Travis
JM: You're saying that, right now, that you're not allowed, how can he possible control how you acted?
JA: He had that control.
JM: Youíre saying that he controlled you so much that when you were in his presence you had no free will, that's what you're telling us, right?
JA: That's not what I said.
JM: Well, you could have left anytime you were in his presence, couldn't you?
JA: Yes
JM: You did have the opportunity to never go there if you didn't want to, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And in fact you moved to Yreka when you wanted to?
JA: Not when I wanted to, but eventually
JM: Well, wait a minute, you said you were going to leave around March and you talked to him about leaving in March and by April you're gone, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So thatís leaving when you want, right?
JA: No, I wanted to leave much earlier.
JM: Well you could have made arrangements
JA: If I had the financial means
JM: Well, you spoke to your mom about it,didn't you?
JA: Eventually
JM: In your personal dealings, you donít waste any time, do you?
JA: No, Iím an procrastinator.
JM: Even though these examples indicate that you acted immediately, you believe that you procrastinated, right?
JA: I didn't act immediately in August of 2007
JM: Well with regard to Mr. Juarez, you acted immediately right?
JA: Yes, I did
JM: With regard to Mr. McCartney, you acted immediately, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And with regard to Mr. Brewer, you acted immedately, too, right?
JA: Regarding what
JM: What are we talking about here, ma'am?
JA: Mr. Brewer never cheated on me to my knowledge
JM: Well, we're not asking, I'm not asking about cheating, I'm asking about getting out of relationships. You did get out of that relationship almost immediately after meeting Mr. Alexander, right?
JA: Um, no, I had already had one foot out the door on that relationship
JM: But once you knew you met Mr. Alexander you got back home and immediately that Thursday, you told Mr. Brewer that it was over, right?
JA: Immediately as in four days later
JM: Yes, immediately as in four days later, right
JA: Yes
JM: So you got home on a Sunday and by Thursday, he was on the outs
JA: No, he was in the same house
JM: No, by the outs, I mean he was no longer your boyfriend
JA: That's correct
JM: So you, when you decide something, you can do it if you want to, right?
JA: Yes
JM:* And in fact, with regard to, for example, with your mother, you feel you act the same way with her, ifthereís something about that her that you donít like, you act immediately on it, donít you?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And in fact, your talking about moving, she assisted you, or attempted to assist you in moving, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* She came out in May, right
JA:* I believe it was
JM:* Iím sorry, I apologize.* She came out in March, didnít she?
JA:* It was late March or early April
JM:* Didnít she come out on Sunday, March 20th of 2008?
JA:* Sunday doesnít sound right
JM:* But she came out in March, didnít she
JA:* yes, it might have been late March or early April
JM:* And she came out and when she came out and she was acting in a way that you didnít like the way she acted, right?
JA:* during part of it, yes
JM:* She was making stupid excuses, wasnít she
JA:* Yes, about her flight
JM:* Right, and she was also being negative, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And because of that, you made sure that she went back, didnít you?
JA:* No, that was her decision
JM:* So it was her decision after you indicated to her that she was making stupid excuses and that she was acting negative and you didnít need it around you, right
JA:* Yes
JM:* So in your personal life, it appears in these examples that weíve been talking about if you feel something, again just based on these examples, it looks like you are able to act upon them very quickly
JA:* Depends on the individual
JM:* Well, Iím saying in these examples that weíve talked about, it appears that you act very quickly, right?
JA:* In those examples
JM:* And so thereís an indication somehow when we were talking about Mr. Burns also that you acted quickly with regard to him to right?
JA: What do you mean quickly?
JM:* Well you and he are talking on the telephone, correct at some point during the beginnings of your relationship, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And then you and he are starting to text message each other, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* You, almost, very quickly decide to make plans to meet him, right?
JA:* After a few months
JM:* Then you then decide to drive out there and you actually do go out to the West Jordan area, donít you?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And on the very first date, first time that youíve been alone, you very quickly are having some sort of sexual contact with him, right?
JA:* No, there was no sexual contact.
JM:* So your saying that based on your being on top of him and kissing him that is not sexual contact?
JA: I was on top of him sleeping
JM:* Pardon
JA:* When I was on top of him, we were sleeping
JM:* But you woke up and you kissed him didnít you?
JA:* After I moved and he adjusted himself
JM:* So youíre saying he adjusted himself, you didnít help with any of the
JA:* I assisted him, yeah
JM:* And basically that means putting your hands on his buttock area, right?
JA:* No it was his shoulders
JM:* So that additionally with regard to Mr. Alexander, you broke up with him at the end in June of 2007, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* You were able to do that also, correct?
JA:* And you did it because what of you believe are trust issues, right
JM:* Letís take a look at what you said are trust issues.* This is exhibit 479
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JM:* I move for the admission of exhibit 479
Judge:* 479 is admitted.
*
48 hours Interview: Were you happy with your relationship with Travis?Yes, I was, during the relationship I was very happy, it wasnít always perfect.* Our relationship was by no means perfect.* Just knowing him has taught me a lot. (This plays twice)
KN:* Objection, your honor, can we approach?
Judge: You may
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JM: You do indicate that he's an amazing person, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And part of what's weíve been told about in this particular proceeding is that youíve been telling us about nothing but negatives, correct?
JA: thatís all I was asked about, that's correct.
JM: Well, the answer is yes, that's all you've been telling us about, but he is an individual that was somebody that you loved, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: and according to you he was an amazing person, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And with regard to this amazing person, one of the things we know is that when you broke up, you broke up because you believed he was unfaithful to you, right?
JA: I knew he was
JM: Alright, and you knew that he was being unfaithful because you did, when he was asleep you went into his telephone, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you looked at what was on his telephone, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And you really didn't have permission to do that, did you?
JA: No, I didn't, actually, I did, sorry, I did
JM: Oh, while he was asleep, you had permission to go in there?
JA: He said offered, here look at my phone, and I said no
JM: So right before he went to sleep, he said to you, here have my phone, look at it?
JA: It wasn't right before he went to sleep
JM: Ma'am, right before he went to sleep did he say to you, here, take my phone?
JA: No, not before he went to sleep
JM: So, you decided though to go and look at that phone, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and when you looked at that phone, you believed you saw some text messages that were inappropriate
JA: I did see some text messages that were inappropriate.
JM: That you believed were inappropriate, right
JA: They were inappropriate
JM: A nd in fact these text messages involved some individauls, some females, right?
JA: I assumed they were females, there were no names attached to the phone numbers.
JM: Alright so it could have been guys, is that what you're saying?
JA: Not likely, but I guess it was possible
JM: So you looked at these text messages and according to you the subject matter is what disturbed you, right?
JA: Yes
JM: He was talking about meeting people, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And in fact what you told us was that one of the persons was married right
JA: No, that was his MySpace
JM: Oh, okay so that was something that occurred back at the time that you and he first started to date, right?
JA: No, prior to that
JM: right
JA: It occurred a few months, prior
JM: So the messages, what did they say? I'm not saying specifically, but what was the subject matter?
JA: Umm, things referencing specific sexual body parts interacting with other sexual body parts and things like that and plans in the making of meeting up at hotel rooms or his house, things like that
JM: And you were very offended by that, right
JA: Yeah, offended would be accurate.
JM: And you were so offended that you still decided to go on vacation with him, right
JA: That wasn't why
JM: You were very offended, you just told us that, right?
JA: I didn't say very, but yes I was offended
JM: You were offended, right
JA: I was hurt
JM: Ma'am didn't you just say you were offended?
JA: Offended would be accurate
JM: And didn't you just said it was a good word, right?
JA: Yeah, there's many descriptors to use
JM: But you just said just now it was a good word, right
JA: Umm, yes, I think
JM: You think, you mean you donít remember what you just said
JA: I don't know
JM: What do you mean you just said offended was a good word and when I used it, then you took issue with it. Is it a good word or is it not a good word?
JA: It depends on how you used it
JM: Well I'm saying you're the one, I asked you the question you were offended and you said offended is a good word, right? That's what you said, right
JA: I think so, yes
JM: Well, you think so means you don't know, right
JA: I don't know
JM: Well this just happened, how is it that youíre not remembering what your saying
JA: Cuz youíre making my brain scramble
JM: I'm again making your brain scramble, so in this particular case, the problem is not you, it's the question being posed by the prosecutor?
JA: no, not the questions
JM: Yes or no, yes or no
JA: I was saying no and you interrupted me
JM: So in this case youíre looking to point the finger at somebody else again, right?
JA: No, it's my fault
JM: well, you're saying it's the prosecutor that's asking you the questions and that's creating a problem for you?
JA: That's not what I said
JM: Well you said itís the way youíre posing the questions, you just said that, right?
JA: I don't know
JM: You donít know what you just said, maíam
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Overruled
JA: I don't know
JM: Didnít it just happen?
JA: Yes
JM: So how is it even if it just happened you can't even remember what you just said?
JA: I think Iím more focused on your posture and your tone and your anger so it's hard to process the question.
JM: So the answer is, it's again the prosecutor's fault because you perceive him to be angry, right?
JA: Itís not your fault
JM: Is somebody asking you whose fault it is?
JA: You did
JM: well, You seem to be pointing it at the prosecutor, right, so you believe that the reason you canít be effective on the witness stand is because someone is asking you questions in a way you don't like
JA: I think that was a compound question
JM: Ma'am isn't it true that you are having problems on the witness stand because of the way the prosecutor is asking the questions, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And so according to you the truth with regard to this issue depends on the style that is being used, that's what the truth means, right
KN:* Objection, argumentative. Mischaracterizing her testimony and itís continued badgering
Judge:* Sustained, rephrase
JM: You're saying you're having trouble telling us, you're telling us the truth from the witness stand, right?
JA: Absolutely
JM: You're telling us you're having problems telling us the truth because of the way the questions are being posed, right?
KN: Objection mischaracterizes her testimony
Judge: Overruled
JA: I have no problem telling the truth
JM: Iím not asking you if you have a problem telling the truth, but what you seem to be telling us now is that you have problems telling us the truth now because of the way the questions are being phrased, right?
JA: That's not right
JM: So itís something else then, that the prosecutor is doing thatís borthering you, right?
JA: I donít know how to answer that
JM: Well, it's something else that the prosecutor is doing that's stopping you from telling the truth, right?
JA: I donít know how to answer that
JM: Why don't you know how to answer that, you're the one that brough it up, you're the one that pointed the finger at the prosecutor, right?
KN: Objection
Judge:* Sustained
JM: Maíam youíre the one that complained about the way the questions were being posed to you by the prosecutor just now, didn't you?
JA: Yes
JM: And you indicated that the prosecutor's posture was aggressive
JA: I didn't say aggressive
JM: You indicated posture, though, right
JA: Yes
JM: And there was something with the prosecutor's posture that you have problems with, right?
JA: I don't know
JM: Well, no you're the one that used the word posture then, you're the one that said you have problems with the posture. So is it posture
JA: It's not the problem with your posture, it's that it creates a problem with me processing what you're saying because I'm focused more on your posture than the content of your question.
JM: So are you saying you need to take more time between questions, to answer them, is that what you're saying
JA: Umm, sometimes
JM: Well, no, is that what's going to help your memory to take more time between the questions?
JA: Sometimes
KN: Objection, asked and answered
Judge: overruled
JM: What's your answer?
JA: Sometimes
JM: Ma'am with regard to this issue of posturing, do you remember back on July 15 of 2008 when Det. Flores interviewed you, do you remember that?
JA: Yes
JM: And he was sitting down, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And his voice was very quiet, right?
JA: Um, yes
JM: And when he was asking these questions and his voice was very quiet, you still lied to him, didn't you?
JA: Yes
JM: So it isn't that it has anything to do with the volume of the question then, does it as to whether or not you'll tell the truth?
JA: Iíll always tell the truth
JM: Oh, so you'll always tell the truth so you told the truth to Det. Flores back then
JA: I mean here under oath?
JM: You said Ialways will tell the truth, right?
JA: I said I will always tell the truth
JM: Right, isn't it true you did not tell the truth to Det. Flores?
JA: That's true
*JM: And he had posture or a demeanor where he was sitting back, right?
JA:He was leaning forward
JM: He was sitting down
JA: Yes
JM: He wasnít standing
JA: Not for most of the interview
JM: No he wasn't was he. And the reason you are having problems now, is it because the prosecutor's standing?
JA: Itís my own internal mental problem, I think.
JM: Well if itís your own internal mental problem that means that what you are telling us are inaccurate answers.
JA: No
KN:* Objection, not telling the truth is mischaracterizing her testimony and itís continued badgering
Judge:* Sustained as to the first objection, rephrase
JM:* Here are you having trouble because the prosecutor is standing?
JA:* having trouble what?
JM:* What are we talking about here?
JA:* Youíre talking about the truth, Iím talking about memory.
JM:* Arenít we talking about answering the questions?
JA:* You keep saying truth, Iím referring to memory
JM:* Arenít we, though, basically talking about you answering the questions?
JA:* Both regarding answering questions
JM:* right, isnít that what weíre talking about?
JA:* Umm, you keep mentioning truth, Iím not having a problem telling the truth.
JM:* Alrgiht, but you are having problems answering my questions, right?
JA:* I donít have a problem answering your question if I remember the answer
JM:* But you just told us that youíre having problems answering the question because of the prosecutorís posture; didnít you tell us that?
JA:* Thatís not the direct reason, but thatís a trigger.
JM:* Well thatís what you told us just now, right?
JA:* Something to that effect
JM:* Right, and so would you like it if I stood over here like your counsel is asking you the questions, would that make you feel more comfortable?
KN:* Objection, your honor, improper comment on counsel
Judge: Sustained,* rephrase
JM:* Would it make you feel more comfortable if I stood over here and used the lectern, maíam
KN:* why donít we approach before he does the same thing.
Judge:* Mr. Nurmi, are you asking to approach with an objection?*
KN:* Yes
Judge: You may approach.
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JM:* Would you be comfortable if I stood back here?
JA:* where you stand wonít make a difference to my comfort
JM:* So, what youíre saying is, that youíre hampered in your ability to answer the questions, irrespective of where the prosecutor is, correct?
JA:* At times, yes.
JM:* Well, thatís not how you phrased it initially.* Youíre saying that you are having problems answering the questions because of the prosecutorís posture, right?
JA:* In that moment, that was correct
JM:* So it changes from moment to moment then
JA:* Sometimes, yeah
JM:* So in this case it changes from moment to moment depending on what the prosecutor is doing, right?
JA:* Itís not necessarily just dependent on the prosecutor
JM:* With regard to your conversation with Det. Flores on July 16th of 2008, he was pretty much sitting down in a chair back then wasnít he?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And yet you lied to him then, right
JA:* yes
JM:* So it really doesnít have to do anything with the posture or where the person is sitting whether or not he's sitting in terms if whether or not you lie, right?
KN:* Objection, over and over again heís mischaracterizing her testimony.* She said it deals with memory, not telling the truth.
Judge:* Objection overruled, you may answer the question
JA: What was the question?
JM:* Mike could you please read it to her?
Court reporter, Mike:* Question:* So it really doesnít have anything to do with the posture or whether the prtdon is sitting in terms of whether or not youíll lie.
JA:* Umm, well sometimes, I lied to Travis based on his posture.
JM:* Objection sheís not responding to the question
Judge: ask another question
JM:* You understand we arenít talking about right now about your relationship with Mr. Alexander, you understand that, right?
JA:* I understand we got very off track, yes
JM: Pardon
JA: I understand we got very off track the subject of my relationship with
JM: I'm asking you whether or not you undertsand that this line of questioning is not about your relationship with Mr. Alexander, do you understand that?
JA: I answered yes
JM: And this is about your ability to answer questions in the court room, right?
JA: Yes
JM: What weíre trying to determine, is what is it will allow you to answer the questions from the witness stand from the prosecutor
JA: Umm, I thought you said whether or not it's the truth it's not about, which part are you talking about?
JM: Maíam, Mike will you please reread the question again.
Mike: What we're trying to determing also what it is that will allow you to answer questions from the witness stand from the prosecutor
JA: I donít understand that question
KN: objection the questions not
Judge: restate the question
JM: Ma'am, you understand that we want your answers, whatever they may be, you understand that, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you understand that we need as complete answers as possible, you understand that, right?
JA: No, that's not the impression I'm getting from you
JM: So the question is, so to you, unless youíre allowed to ramble on, then youíre being restricted, right
JA: No thatís not correct
JM: Well, in this particular case, youíre saying the prosecutor is cutting you off, right?
JA: In this particular case as in this cross-examination, yes
JM: And youíre saying that you arenít getting a change to answer the questions fully, right?
JA: That's right
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JM: Well let's do this. With regard to you and Mr. Alexander, one of the things that happened was that you and he broke up, you understand that, back on June 29 of 2007
JA: Yes
JM: and the person that did the breaking up was you, right
JA: Yes
JM: And the reason you broke up with him, is because you snooped into his telephone, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you did not have his permission on the day that you did it to go into his telephone, right?
JA: Not exclusively
JM: When you say not exclusively it means that you did have his permission to go into his phone, you understand what you're saying, right?
JA: Yes, at one point, I did.
JM: Iím not asking at one point, Iím asking on the day that you did it, did you have permission whether written or oral to go into his telephone and look at his text messages
JA: Um, he's told me to look at his phone, so I guess it's just a matter of interpretation
JM: Ma'am, ma'am, that day before he went to sleep did he tell you it was okay to look at his telephone
JA: Not that day
JM: And so you took it upon yourself to look into that telephone, right
JA: Yes
JM: And thatís when you saw these text messages, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And that what upset you
JA: Yes
JM: And as a result of that, you made a decision that the relationship was over, right
JA: Not right that day
JM: At some point you did make the decision that the relationship was over, right?
JA: Yes
JM: But you were upset that he was having these conversations about bodily parts with these other individuals via text message, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you were so upset you still decided to go on vacation with him, right?
JA: That's not why
JM: Well, you still went on vacation with him even though you had this information, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you went to New York
JA: We did go to New York, yes
JM: Pardon
JA: Yes we did went to New York
JM: And then you drove, or went to a PPL conference also, right?
JA: No it was a retreat
JM: Then you went to Huntington Beach, right
JA: That was the retreat I was referring to
JM: So you went to Huntington Beach after that, right
JA: Yes
JM: And you stayed wit him, right
JA: Yes
JM: You engaged in sexual conduct with him, right
JA: Yes
JM:* Even though you were very upset with what you knew
JA:* Yes
JM:* You chose to go on vacation rather than break up with him at that point, right?
JA:* Yes
JM:* And so the way you see if it, itís his fault, that you broke up, not yours?
KN:* Objection, mischaracterizes testimony
Judge Overruled, you may answer
JA:* His fault I broke up with him
JM:* Yes, not your fault
JA: Well it was my choice so I don't know what you mean by fault
JM: Well, weíre talking about whoís to blame, that's what fault means, right?
JA: For the breakup
JM: For the breakup, that's what we're talking about, right.
JA: I guess we each had a part in it
JM: Well no,youíre saying itís his fault because he was doing these things with other women, right?
JA: His fault for the breakup because he was doing things?
JM: The way you explained it was the reason you broke up was because of something he did, right
JA: Thatís what motivated me to break up with him
JM: So what you did, the fact that you went behind his back *to look at his telephone had nothing to do with the breakup, right
JA: That was also one of the reasons
JM: So you believe that you were to blame for going behind his back
JA: Yes
JM: That was a dishonest thing to do, right
JA: Yes, I felt very badly
JM: Did I ask you whether or not you felt bad about it
JA: No
JM: You say that you feel bad about it, but havenít you done similar stuff in the past
JA: Umm, yes
JM: I mean you did it to Bobby Juarez, right
JA: Yes
JM: You went behind his back and looked at the computer, right
JA: Yes
JM: you went behind Matt McCartneyís back and you went and talked to Bianca, right?
JA: I didnít go behind his back
JM: You told him you were going to Bianca
JA: I would have
JM: Maíam the question is did you go to him before you went to talked to Bianca
JA:* No he wasnít available
JM: Did you talk to him before you went to talk to Bianca
JA: No, he wasn't available
JM: Maíam, you said he wasnít available, could you have waited until he was available to see if it was okay to talk to Bianca, you could have?
JA: Yeah, but I would have been miserable for several days
JM: Oh, so it's all about you then, right
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Sustained
JM: You could have waited, right, but you didn't want to
JA: I chose not to
JM: That's right because you would have been miserable, right
JA: Yes
JM: And you didn't want to be miserable, right
JA: Thatís right
JM: And so this dishonesty that you've said involved Mr. Alexander you have at least on two prevoius occasions engaged in the same sort of dishonesty, right?
JA: Um yes
JM: And with regard to
JA: I take that back, I donít think it was dishonest, to go talk to Bianca, so I guess one time because I do believe that the emails with Bobby was dishonest.
JM: But you did engage with regard to Mr. McCartney that he did not know about before you did it, right?
JA: Um with regard to the conduct that I didnít know about
JM: No, I'm asking, the fact that you went to see Bianca, isnít it true that Mr. McCartney did not know about it before you went to talk to her, right
JA: That's right
JM: So that was behind his back, wasn't it
JA: No, because that implies sneaking around
JM: That was because why?
JA: To me that implies sneaking around and I wasn't doing that, I wasopen and direct about it
JM: You weren't sneaking around you just didn't tell him about, right, that's the distinction you're trying to draw here?
JA: Only because he wasnít available
JM: But thatís the distinction youíre drawing here is that you were not sneaking around, right?
KN: Objection asked and answered
Judge: Overruled
JM: Right?
JA: Yes, it was not dishonest.
JM: With regard to Mr. Alexander, looking at his telephone, or viewing his text messages wasnít the only time that you actually went and looked at one of his communication mediums, right?
JA: Yes
JM: In fact you and he became an item in February of 2007
JA : Yes
JM: That's when you made it official, you were living in palm desert
JA: Uh, yes
JM: And you were living in Palm Desert, but at some point you were able to look at his computer , right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you looked at his computer at his house in Mesa, right
JA: Yes
JM: And you looked at his computer and you started to look at some of the items what in My Space, right?
JA: Yes, his MySpace emails
JM: Pardon
JA: His My Space emails
JM: But it was in My Space, right
JA: Yes
JM And you looked at some of the emails that were there, right
JA: Yes, I did
JM: And even though you didnít have permission to look at those emails, did you
JA: I don't know it was kind of a trade-off cuz he did it to me, too
JM: Iím not asking if he did it to you, am I?
JA: No
JM: Iím asking if you had permission to go into his My space to look at his emails?
JA: No, I guess I didn't
JM: And so again there is this conduct, this dishonest conduct on your pasrt, right
JA: yes
JM: When you went and you looked at his emails and you saw some emails between him and at least two females, right?
JA: Yes
JM: One of them involved a, the, New Years eve meeting, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And that upset you, right?
JA:* Um, not really
JA:* Well it didnít make me happy, right?
JA* It didnít thrill me
JM:* Pardon
JA:* It didnít thrill me
JM:* So, if it didnít thrill you thatís a way of saying it didnít make you happy, right?
KN: Objection,
Judge, overruled
JA* Thatís right
JM: and, but that happened before you and he were officially dating, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And so that really shouldnít have had any bearing on how you felt
JA: That wasn't the part that bothered me
JM: I understand that, Okay, tell me the part that bothered you
JA: He lied to me about what it was about
JM: He lied to you about what it was about after you confronted him, right
JA: No, he called me, preemptively, me
JM: Maíam you looked at his My Space email, right?
JA: yes
JM: Then you and he had a conversation about it
JA: Yes
JM: So it wasnít he ha d aconversation about it before you looked at his My space email
JA: About the messages, yes we did
JM: So he talked to you about them before?
JA: Yes
JM: If he talked to you about them before then why were you upset
JA: Because I found out that what he said was false
JM: Oh, I see, He lied to you, then right?
JA:* About the messages
JM: And what you were doing is, you were sort of checking up on him, right?
JA: Yeah, I was
JM:* And thatís because you wanted to see whether or not he was cheating on you, right?
JA: No, it wouldnít have been cheating in December because we werenít together yet, I wanted to see if it was accurate.
JM: Okay so nything that he was telling you, you would want to check to make sure he was being truthful to you, right?
JA: Thatís not right not anything.
JM: Things having to do with relationshps involving other women, right?
JA: Um, Sometimes
JM: In this case thatís what you did, right?
JA: This thing, particularly, yes
JM: And this is the other one that involved an email that you were particularly offended by, right
JA: The other email
JM: Yes
JA: Yes
JM: And you were particularly offended, because you said that the woman who was involved there was married, right?
JA: Yes, she was married
JM: What was the womanís name
JA: I donít want to destroy anyoneís marriage
JM: So what was the woman's name
JA: Shannon C-P
JM: And you believe she was married and you believed they were doing something they shouldn't have been doing, right?
JA:* She was married, and by LDS standards what they were talking about was very inappropriate
JM:* All they were doing was talking, right?
JA:* They were joking about getting together for a sexual liason
JM: they were joking about it, right?
JA: I hope it was joking
JM: Didnít you just say they were joking about i?

KN: Objection, as to whether or not they were joking
Judge: Overruled, you may answer
JA: Umm, he was joking about his wet dream with her
JM: Maíam, isnít it true that you they were joking
JA: I did say that, yes
JM: And the reason you said that is because you believe it right?
JA: Because he told me later after I confronted him at the time I didn't know
JM: Ma'am you believe it, that's why you said it
JA: When I sit here today, I believe it somewhat
JM: And so you believe they were joking abou it, right?
JA: At the time I did not but now, I think, if what he told me can be belived, they were joking
JM: Ma'am, isnít it true you just said they were joking about it, right
JA: Yes
JM: And thatís what you believe, right
JA: Thatís what Iíd like to believe
JM: Well, you testifying to the truth, right
JA: Yes
JM: And youíre saying they were joking about it, right
JA: Thatís the third time youíve asked me about it and the answer is yes.
JM: And so if they were joking about it, what was the problem
JM: By LDS standards you aren't supposed to have conversations of that nature with someone else's spouse.
JM: Okay, And thatís because you are familiar with the code of conduct involving sexuality in the Mormon church, right?
JA: I am now, yes
JM: Well, no, you were familiar with it back in February of 2007 when you looked at his My Space account, right?
JA: Not all of it, but regarding spouses and their behaviors and how to interact with people that were married, yes.
JM: You were familiar enough to pass judgement on what was going on as it applies to the Mormon faith, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And this is knowledge that you had gained as part of your learning about the Mormon church, right?
JA: Umm, well another Mormon had explained it to me, so yes
JM: So yes, you did learn it, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you knew that joking about those things was not something that was viewed favorably by the Mormon church, right
JA: that's right
JM: But you believe that just joking about something, you knew about that, you knew that that's not something that was favored by the Mormon church, right?
JA: That's right
JM: But in terms of whether or not sexual intercourse is concerned, you're telling us that at that point you didnít know if it was acceptable or not in the Mormon church?
JA: I'm not saying that
JM: So at that time you did know then that sexual intimacy, whatever form they may be, was unacceptable in the Mormon church, right?
JA: I'm not saying that either
JM: Well, ma'am did you know back in February of 2007 that having oral intercourse was against the teachings of the Mormon faith?
JA: Not at that time, no, I did not know
JM: So you believe that j,ust kidding about is against the Mormon religion, but not oral intercourse? Is that what you're saying?
JA: With a spouse thatís married in the temple, yes
JM: You believed that oral intercourse was okay back in 2007 but not kidding between two people, that was not okay?
JA: Yes thatís what I was taught
JM: Donít they have brochures that they hand out
JA: Yes
JM: And these brochures include talking about sexual contact, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You were here when Desiree Freeman testified, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And one of the things that we know is even laying or touching, even laying on someone with their close on that's against the Mormon teachings, right?
JA: That is right
JM: And in fact thatís something you did with Ryan Burns, you layed on top of him with your clothes on, right?
JA: Yes I did
JM: And thatís again the Mormon teachings isn't it?
JA: It is
JM: And you knew that at the time you did that
JA: I did not
JM: So you gained this knowledge after being with Ryan Burns
JA: After, well after, like about a year
JM: This is something that is, you never thought to talk to anybody about how far you could go?
JA: I did, I talked to Rachel
JM: Iím asking whether or not, well Rachel isnít somebody thatís the end-all in the Mormon church, right?
JA: I don't think anybody would be
JM: well the bishop is a little more important wouldnít you agree?
JA: Yes
JM: And if you had any questions about it you could go talk to the bishop, right?
JA: I guess technically, but I wouldn't be comfortable
JM: Well, you say technically and you wouldn't be comfortable, you could go talk to the bishop, right
JA: Yes,
JM: In fact you went to Bishop Layton and talked about Tavisís Alexander's killing, right?
JA: No
JM: well you called him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So you had no problem doing that, right?
JA: no
JM: Did you ever have a desire on your own to go and find out what the Mormon church allowed in terms of sexual conduct?
JA: Yes
JM: Why didn't you do it?
JA: I did
JM Pardon
JA: I did
JM: So did you go to a bishop,
JA: I went to Rachel
JM: When did you go to see Rachel about this issue involving sexual contact?
JA: It would have been August 2007 after Travis and I went all the way consensually and we were both awake
JM: so you went to see her in August of 2007 and you were converted or were baptized in Novemenber of 2006
JA: Yes
JM: And you and Mr. Alexander were engaged in sexual contact between that time in November 2006 until what, August of 2007 is that what it is?
JA: that whole time
JM: And during that whole time period, it never occurred to you to try to find out what the Mormon church allowed?
JA: I did try to find out
JM: Did you go to a bisop?
JA: No definitely not a bishop
JM: Did you try to read any of the literature that they had
JA: I've read some literature, but not the pamphlet that you're reading from
JM: There is a pamphlet that they have, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And this pamphlet is abailable to everyone, right?
JA: Yes
JM: In fact you were here when I was looking at it and I was questioning Desiree Freeman, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And this pamphlet is free
JA: Yes
JM: And it lays out the guidelinesfor what is acceptable sexual conduct or not, right?
JA: And isn't it true that that pamphlet doesn't include anything about joking involving married people, does it?
JM: It does include things that you are not to engage in oral intercourse, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And any kind of intercourse
JA: Yes, it says all sexual relations
JM: And in fact it even talks about certain types of music that shouldn't be listened to
JA: I don't recall that part, but that sounds right
JM: And it also talks about what kind of videos or what kind of movies it should be looked at?
JA: Yes
JM: And youíre saying that throughout the whole time between November of 2006 and August of 2007 you did not have the opportunity to review any of this and know any of it.
JA: Well, I didnít know it existed, so I guess then I wouldn't have had the opportunity, but if I'd known it was there, I would have had the opportunity.
JM: Did you think that perhaps it would have been a good idea to go ask if these materials were available?
JA: No, I did not
KN: Objection
Judge: Rephrase
JM: You were conflicted by the fact you saw Mr. Alexander joking with somebody who you believed to be marrie, right
JA: She was married, yes
JM: You were conflicted because Mr. Alexander was joking with somebody that was married, okay better?
JA: Yes
JM: Although they were just, they had never had any sexual contact
KN: Objection, she doesn't know
Judge: rephrase
JM: At that point, that was my belief
JA: Yet, thatís just people talking, yet you have no problems engaging in all this conduct that you told us about during direct examination.* You have no problem engaging in that conduct, yet you are judging someone just for talking
KN: Objection she never said she had a problem with it
Judge: Restate the question
JM: Well maam you never saw counseling from a Mormon, whether it's a male or a female
JA: I did, but not during that time period
JM: During the time period weíre talking about you did not solicit aid from anybody in the Mormon church about what was the proper way to proceed
JA: That's right
JM: And the reason you didn't was because it was enjoyable
JA: No, I didn't believe I was in the wrong
JM: Well, you didn't you weren't enjoying what was going on with Mr. Alexander
JA: I did, but that's not why I didn't seek counsel
JM: In fact, the way you describe it, he's someone you can't stay away from sexually, right?
JA: Um, yes
JM: And he described you as his kyrptonite, right
JA: Yes
JM: And so it was a situation that you were mutually attracted, right
JA: Yes
JM: And so the is the reason that you were being so judgement because you were just plain jealous and that was what was going on?
JA: No, I was considering af uture with him and if was acting that way towards someone else's wife, I wondered how he'd treat me as a wife
JM: So if you were worried about how he would treat you as a wife, why didn't you just leave him?
JA: Because I wanted to give him an opportunity to explain
JM: And you gave him the opportunity to explain and it sounds like you believed him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And as a result of you believing him, you decided to continue in this sexual relationship, right?
JA: Yes
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JM: there were messages on there, correct, do you remember that?
JA: Travis's phone and my space, umm yes
JM: Ahe messages could be characterized as flirtatious, right?
JA: Flirtatious and sexual.
JM: And you didn't have a problem with that, did you?
JA: What do you mean
JM: Well, let's take a look at another exhibit. I move for the admission of exhibit 480.
KN: I'm sorry what number, 480, no objections
Judge: 480 is admitted
48 hours Video: I only have a few more questions, where I want to go next is, was Travis a flirt with other people? Umm, yes, and he was not secretive about it, I wasn't aware of that aspect right away when I first met him at the MGM Grand, he was very cool, calm um, and even there were people that made comments saying why was he on such good behavior that night and he said that he sort of, looking back on that he said he kind of had an agenda and because I came off as a calm person her tried to mirror and match, but by nature, he's very open, very outgoing, very flirtatious, not that that's a bad thing at all.

JM: And so even though you saw these messages on his phone, even though they were flirtatious, you still decided to break up with him, right?
JA: not for that reason
JM: Isn't that what you told us before the break that that was the reason that you broke up with him because of these text messages?
JA: No, it's because he was sleeping with a bunch of people.
JM: You believe that he was sleeping with a lot of people, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Do you remember telling us before the break that it was this text message, or during direct examination that it was these text messages that were the reason for the break up
JA: Right
JM: You did say that, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Okay. You and Mr. Alexander went to Sedona and the Grand Canyon with Desiree Freeman and Dan Freeman, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Take a look at exhibit 481 and see if you recognize the people there and the occasion.
JA: Yes, I don't see a date, but I recognize it
JM: You're in that photograph, correct
JA: Yes
JM: And you recognize the other people, correct
JA: Yes
JM: And it's a trip, the picture is a photograph taken on your trip to Sedona, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And generally speaking when did you go to Sedona?
JA: I believe it was April 2007
JM: And this is a true and accurate depiction of the four of you on this trip to Sedona, correct.
JA: Yes
JM: Move for the admission of 481
KN: No objections
Judge: 481 is admitted
JM: This is a photograph that was taken in Sedona, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And it shows your height relative to Mr. Alexander, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Um, you're approximately the same height as he is, correct?
JA: Well, he's three inches taller
JM: Well, this shows it right here correct?
KN: Objection, doesn't know where they'restanding or shoes they're wearing
Judge: Sustained
JM: Ma'am this shows you on that particular day with Mr. Alexander, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: You have no reason to believe that he was that you were standing on a rock and he wasn't, right?
JA: Not that I recall
JM: And with regard to Mr. Freeman, do you have a reason to believe that he was standing on a rock?
JA: No
JM: And with regard Desiree Freeman, any reason to believe or to think that she was standing on a rock.
JA: No
JM: That shows the relative heights, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Ma'am one of the things that we know about Mr. Alexander was how his ambiancee was in a room, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Let me show you another exhibit. I move for the admission of exhibit 482
Judge: Any objection
KN: Not that we haven't previously lodged
Judge: 482 is admitted
48 hours video: ďYes and that's the other thing, I really, when you asked me if I was angry or outraged, I'm more angry and outraged that his life was taken. And that he has so much potential, that he had so many things and projects that he was working on that aren't some will get completed and some will never get completed. Um, he was a light and he had so many, he brightened a room when he walked in. He literally brightened a room. Like you could just tell you could tell when Travis was whether you were no matter what direction you were looking at you could tell when Travis showed up because the laughter got louder, and you know the conversation got happier and just the whole energy of the room changed. And you know, for someone like that, it almost seems like the world is a darker place now that he's not in it anymore. So I'm really angry about that. I can't imagine what his family's going through. I love my brother so much and I know that he had a lot of siblings and I just cannot imagine what it would be like to get a phone call to hear that something happened to one of my brothers.Ē

JM: According to that particular excerpt in your statement, he was a great guy, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And he was a great guy, it appears to everybody who seemed to come in contact with him.
JA: Yes, it appears
JM: And nowhere during this conversation that you had with the people on 48 hours did you metion rhia issue of masturbating to pictures.
JA: Oh definitely not
JM: So the answer is not, correct?
JA: That's correct.
JM: And it wasn't like he didn't do good things for you, he actually did a lot of, or some things that were very nice, didn't he
JA: Yes, wonderful things
JM: Let's have you listen to us tell us about what a wonderful thing. I move for the admission of exhibit 483.
KN: No objection
Judge: Exhibit 483 is admitted.
48 hoursvideo: ďUm, I just personally see any motive for myself to ever want to do this, inflict this kind of pain on Travis, someone who has been so generous, someone who's been so kind and someone who's opened up his home, opened up his refrigerator on many times when I didn't have enough money to go to the grocery store and fill up my own fridge. There are just so many things he did, little things, I came home from the airport once he let me park my car in his garage so that it was safe while I was gone and I showed up to get my car and there was this bag of on the hood that said Cinnabon and he knew that I liked Cinncabon and I remember calling him before I flew out, I was flying out of Salt Lake an din the Phoenix airport there's a Cinnabon stand and I always get one before I go on my flight and I remember lamenting a little bit saying Cinnabon's gonna be closed when I get home cuz it's gonna be late and he went out the the mall and got me cinnabon so I'd be able to have that when I got home. It's just little things that he did like that, thoughtful things, as well he looked up a whole recipe online and printed it out on pink paper and folded it up in there and put it in there with that and he gave me a ten dollar gift card for Cinnabon. So it's like just little things like those were just, that's just one example of so many little things that he's always done for me and not just me but for everyone I knew.Ē
JM: And in fact, ma'am, after you moved, you actually thanked him for everything he had done for you, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Let's take a look at an exhibit. Take a look at exhibit 484. I move for the admission of exhibit 484.
KN: No objection
Judge: What did you say, no objection
KN: No objection
Judge: Exhibit 484 is admitted
JM: This is after you had moved, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: This is after you were in Yreka, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: This was when you in Yreka doing your day-to-day activities, whatever they may be, correct?
JA: yes
JM: When you were not seeing Mr. Alexander on a daily basis, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: This is after you had broken up with him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: This was during a time when, according to you the fog had lifted, right?
JA: Yes
JM: This was after the time that you claimed there was some physical violence, you wrote this, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And we agree that the time was seven hours ahead, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: and so it's on April 18th that you write this and you say ďTravis thank you for being such an amazing friend. You are a rock, a light, and an inspiration. I love you dearly. You were still in love with him, weren't you?
JA: I wouldn't say I was in love with him, but I loved him very much
JM: So when you say you love him dearly, that doesn't mean that you have any physical attraction to him, you just love him like a friend, correct?
JA: That's not true
JM: Well, when you say you love him dearly is that the same as saying the way you love Matt McCartney or is it a little bit different
JA: Um, it's similar, but there was no more, no longer a sexual attraction with Matt McCartney.
JM: but there was this sexual attraction with Mr. Alexander, correct?
JA: Correct
JM: You indicate that you appreciate all of the ways you've gone out of your way for me, you indicate that, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And then you say thank you, thank you, thank you, right?
JA: Yes
JM: This is not in line with the person we've been talking about, is it
JA: Um, yeah, it is it's very consistent with how he was
JM: Well you've been telling us before that he was mean, remember that?
JA: Yes, he was
JM: And that in addition to being mean, he physically abused you, right?
JA: Yes he did
JM: And that he would raise his voice to you, right?
JA: Yes he did
JM: Yet once you're free of him, and after the fog has lifted, you're thanking him and telling him what an inspiration he is, right?
JA: Yes
JM: That's sort of, the way that is projected, doesn't seem to correspond, does it?
KN: Objective, argumentative
Judge: sustained
JM: You've given us two versions, correct?
JA: Of what?
JM: of Mr. Alexander
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: overruled
JA: I think I've given more than two versions
JM: Well, you've given us one where we just discussed about him being physically abusive and mean and loud to you, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: In fact before, during the trial you referenced the fact that he used to grill you, correct?
JA: Yes
JM : And yet, the writings that we have here, don't support that, specifically exhibit number 484 doesn't support what you've been telling us, does it?
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Rephrase
JM: This is at odds as to what you're telling us before with Mr. Alexander, right?
KN: Objective, argumentative
Judge: Overruled, you may answer
JA: Um, with at odds with what?
JM: With Mr. Alexander's portrayal that you've wanted us to believe during direct examination.
JA: no, I believe I said during direct examination that he did many wonderful things and that he had amazing sides to him.
JM: But, you don't mention in any of these text messages for example this one here. All you can do it gush on him over him and thank him, right?
JA: Yes, he flourished on compliments
JM: Is that yes
JA: I said yes
JM: When you say that he flourished on compliments, it appears that you're saying, your only doing it and it's in an insincere fashion because you want to shower then on him just because he wants them.
JA: At times they were a little insincere that they were somewhat exaggerated, but he was a wonderful person many times.
JM: Well what your saying here, though, just this particular exhibit number 484 when you're saying or you're gushing it just appears that or you tell us that that's not true, right?
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: reprhase
JM: Ma'am when you say you're sending this because Mr. Alexander liked them, that's what you said right?
JA: No, I said that he flourished with compliments
JM: Alright, you used the word flourished on compliments, right
JA: Yes
JM: And if he flourished on compliments, the way it sounds is that you are not sincere about the compliment.
JA: Well, hmm, I believed he was amazing, he was a rock to me, he was a light and an inspiration at one time, I did love him dearly, I still do. And he did go out of his way for me and I wanted to express my gratitude.
JM: So with regard to this particular love, is that how you believe love should be shown as it was on the evening of June 4th 2008?
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Sustained
JM: Well, ma'am, you've indicated that all of this is true, so is this one of the ones that was sincer or not?
JA: I believe I was being sincere in this one
JM: So this one you are telling the truth?
JA: Yes
JM: As part of what happened after you killed Mr. Alexander, there was a memorial service, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you attended it, right?
JA: Yes
JM: The memorial service was in Mesa, AZ, correct
JA: Correct
JM: What time of the day was it?
JA: I don't remember
JM: Was it in the morning or the afternoon?
JA: I don't remember, it was daytime, I remember that part
JM: And many people attended, right
JA: Yes
JM: And one of the people that attended was Mimi, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: You actually went up to Mimi, correct?
JA: Yes I did
JM: So even though you say that you're shy, you're actually the person who approached her, right?
JA:Yes
JM: And you talked to her about Mr. Alexander, correct
JA: Briefly, yes
JM: So that is a yes, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And it was during this conversation that you say you first learned that he was going to Cancun with her, right?
JA: Um, I can't remember cuz another woman had told me right before, she didn't say her name, but I assumed it was probably Mimi Hall so I don't remember if Cancun was discussed.
JM: Did you speak with Mimi Hall about her going to Cancun with Mr. Alexander.
JA: I don't remember if Cancun was discussed
JM: But you could have discussed it, right?
JA: Could have, but it was very short and I don't think Cancun came up, but it might have, I don't remember that
JM: But it was at this memorial whether if was from Ms. Hall or somebody else, that you but according to you that you first learned he was going to Cancun with sombody else, rigth?
JA: Yes, well I assumed
JM: Is that a yes
JA: I assumed, I didn't, I actually learned it from Det. Flores, but I assumed because of the way a woman named Brenda told me.
JM: So what you're telling us is that at the memorial service, do you know the date that that was?
JA: I think it was June 15th,
KN: objections
Judge: Overruled
JA: I don't remember, I think I assumed it but I got solid confirmation from Det. Flores
JM: So you assumed it at the time you met Ms. Hall
JA: I'm trying to think, I think I might have spoken to Ms. Hall before Brenda came up to me
JM: What IĒm asking is if you learned that Mr. Alexander was going to Cancun with Mimi Hall at this memorial service
JA: I don't know if I definitively knew it, but I was pretty sure that she was the one.
JM: Why do you say you were pretty sure, because of a conversation you had with Ms. Hall
JA: Um, because of a conversation I had with Brenda
JM: And based on the conversation with Brenda you believe that that's when you learned of Mr. Alexander going to Cancun with Mimi Hall, correct?
JA: Yes, mm hmm
JM: You and he had discussed him going to Cancun before, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And he didn't ask you to go, right?
JA: What was that?
JM: He did not ask you to go, correct?
JA: That's correct.
JM: And you knew he was going with someone, didn't you?
JA: Um, yes, well the trip allows for a second person on the ticket, so I assumed
JM: You knew he was going with somebody, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you knew he was going with somebody back on June 2nd of 2008, right?
JA: Um, yes, I assumed it was a babysitter
JM: Well, I'm not asking you who you assumed it was, did you know back on that date that he was going to go with somebody?
JA: Yes
JM: And back on May 28th of 2008, you also knew he was going to Cancun, right?
JA: Um, yes
JM: And you knew that he was going to Cancun with somebody else?
JA: Yes
JM: And this was about the time, because of the telephone call on May 10th that he was still talking to you um about sex, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And even though he was talking to you about sex, he was actually, you knew, going to Cancun with sombody else, right
JA: Um, yes
JM: Let me show you an exhibit. And his going to Cancun with somebody else did not upset you, right?

JA: No
JM: And his going ro Cancun and not inviting you did not upset you, right?
JA: No
JM: Take a look at exhibit 485 an see if you recognize this
JA: Yes
JM: This is actually a writing by you, correct?
JA: correct
JM: and it was submitted at the time of the memorial service, right?

JA: Yes
JM: And how did it work, was there a page there that you signed, how did it work?
JA: There was a photo album how I remember it with a lot of blank paper around the different photos so that people could leave comments.
JM: You actually brought the photo that was attached to this, right?
JA: Um, I don't, I think it was already put together, but I emailed it to the person putting it together cuz that's one of my photos.
JM: This is one of your photographs, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And how it got there, maybe you sent it to somebody and then they put it in the book, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: You actually signed it though, right?
JA: I didn't sign it, I just wrote in it, I didn't want to put my name.
JM: But this is your writing, right?
JA: Yes
JM: I move for the admission of exhibit 485
KN: No objections
Judge: 485 is admitted
JM: Exhibit 485 it says: Travis, you're beautiful on the inside and out, doesn't it
JA: Yes
JM: Isn't that kind of a lie based on what you told us in court right?
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Rephrase
JM: That's not true based on what you told us here in court.
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: overruled
JA: I believed, um, he had inner beauty, yes, so it is true.
JM: So you think somebody masturbates to pictures of little boys is beautiful on the inside?
JA: I don't think that aspect of him is beautiful at all, I think it's sickening
JM: Well, I'm asking you, you did write beautiful on the inside and yet you knew, according to you, he had this issue, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And so if you write that, you've indicated it was a problem for you, right?
JA: It was
JM: And you indicated you even obtained a pamphlet for him, to give to him
JA: Yes, two of them
JM: And you also indicated that you believed that he needed help, right/
JA: He did need help
JM: Right, you've indicated that to us on direct examination a couple of times at least, right?
JA: That's right.
JM: But yet here you write that he was beautiful on the inside knowing all of that
JA: He hated those parts of himself
JM: pardon
JA: He hated those parts of himself, it's not who he wanted to be
JM: Whether he wanted to be it or not, somebody that has those issues, you still think is beautiful on the inside and that's why you wrote it.
JA: I believed that he could get better
JM: I'm not asking you if you believed that he could get better., I'm asking you whether or not someone is beautiful on the inside if they have the problem you told us about
KN: Objection asked and answered for the third time
Judge: Overruled
JA: What was the question?
JM: Mike, can you read it back for me
Mike: I'm not asking you if you believed he could get better, I'm asking you whether or not someone is beautiful on the inside if they have that problem you told us about.
JA: I believed that he has aspects of himself that were beautiful and some that were ugly, just like I do.
JM: So what you're saying is the statement beautiful on the inside is a qualified statement?
JA: I don' t know what you mean by qualified.
JM: Well, it doesn't tell the whole truth, it just tells part of the truth
JA: Of course, this is a memorial book
JM: pardon
JA: Of course, this is a memorial book
JM: You didn't have to write it in the memorial book
JA: I didn't have to
JM: And you didn't have to go to the memorial service, right
JA: That's right
JM: One of the things that you told us was that you and Mr. Alexander had an agreement, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And that agreement according to you was that even if the funeral service was in Antartica, the two of you would attend each others funeral depending on who outlived the other, right?
JA: He said he'd come to mine even if it was in Antartica
JM: Ma'am I'm asking you if you told us previously that you and he had an agreement to attend each other's funeral depending on who died first
JA: It wasn't quite like that
JM: Well didn't you tell us that on direct examination that that was part of the reason you went, this understanding?
JA: I didn't go to his funeral, I couldn't make it
JM: The memorial service?
JA: Um, that wasn't part of the agreement
JM: Well, but you did mention that you believed that he would have done the same thing for you,r ight?
JA: Yes
JM: Well in terms of this memorial service if the situation was reversed, do you still think he should have gone to your memorial service if he had killed you?
KN: Objection, calls for speculation
Judge: Sustained
JM: What was the agreement or what was the understanding of your agreement, then?
JA: I told him one time that I admired his speaking skills and that if I ever passed away, I would like him to give the eulogy at my funeral because I knew that he would edify me in every way.
JM: How about with him, if he passed away before you, what was the agreement?
JA: It wasn't discussed, I don't think
JM: Oh so you didn't have any understanding whatsoever in regards to if you should attend a memorial service
JA: Ir was more about my funeral
JM: Well, do you remember telling us something different on direct examination?
JA: Um, I don't remember
JM: Do you remember on direct examination telling us that you felt compelled to go because of this agreement that the two of you had
JA: That's why I felt compelled to go
JM: Because there was an agreement, right?
JA: Because he would have gone to mine
JM: And you believe that that was sort of an unwritten agreement between the two of you, that's how you portrayed it to us on direct examination, right?
JA: The eulogy part was sort of an unwritten agreement
JM: I'm talking about just actually going, I'm not talking about the eulogy, isn't it true that during direct examination the way you portrayed it to us was the reason you went was because you and he had talked about it and you felt compelled to go based on those conversations?
JA: Yes
JM: And those conversations included going to Antartica if that were the case, right?
JA: He said he would
JM: And that's how much that's how strong the commitment was to attend each other's memorial service, right?
JA: Um, I don't recall making an commitment to attend the service, but this was the reason I felt compelled to go
JM: because of the conversation you had with him.
JA: Yes
JM: No one knew about this conversation, you had with him, right?
JA: No, it was in his office, it was just us.
JM: So it was just you and him, right
JA: Yes
JM: So if no one knew about it, you really didn't have to go and nobody would have been the wiser, right
JA: That's right
JM: But you made the choice to go, right?
JA: Yes, I did.
JM: You also write you always told me that I never stopped believing in you, and I know that you always believed in me. That's what it says, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You always believed in him, right?
JA: Yes, I did
JM: Even though, according to you, he would get this mean look on his face and come charging down the hallway, you still believed in him, right?
JA: Yes, that isn't who he wanted to be
JM: I'm not asking you if that's who he wanted to be, did I ask you that ma'am?
JA: no
JM: I'm asking you whether or not you still believed in him if he, for example, according to you threw you down and choked you, you still believed in him, right?
JA: I believed in his potential still
JM: So the answer is yes, right
JA: Yes
JM: So even though he may have been on the couch kissing with some girl in August 2007, you still believed in him, right?
JA: Yes, I wasn't his girlfriend
JM: Pardon
JA: I wasn't his girlfriend, so yeah of course I still believed in him.
JM: You were his girlfriend in August 2007
JA: I was not, I wasn't
JM: So you still believed in him even though he was kissing on some girl and you still believed he was courting you at that time, you still believed in him?
JA: Well it cheapened his efforts
JM: I understand that it may have cheapened
JA: I still believed in his potential of who he wanted to become
JM: So it cheapened his efforts
JA: Certainly
JM: And if it cheapened his efforts, then perhaps he wasn't believing in you as much as you indicate in this card, or this writing.
KN: objection, calls for speculation about what Mr. Alexander believed
Judge: Overruled
JA: I think we're talking about different aspects of what we believed about each other
JM: Well you said that you never stopped believing in him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you never stopped believing in him irrespective of the issues you told us about, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And these issues that according to you he wasn't getting any help for, right?
JA: I don't know if he was or not, I believe he was, I don't believe he did
JM: According to you, you believe he's not getting help for any of these issues, right?
JA: Yes
JM: He's not doing anything about it
JA: I don't know that
JM: Well, I'm asking what your belief is, I'm not asking what you know, I'm asking for your belief.
KN: Objection
Judge: Overruled
JA: I believed he was doing things, not seeking professional help, but he said he spent a lot of time in prayer about it
JM: So you believed he was praying about it
JA: Yes
JM: Do you believe he went to a bishop to talk about it
JA: Um, he did talk to a bishop about hi
JM Is that a yes or a now
JA: Well, I really don't know
JM: Okay. It says thank you for sharing so much and for all your generosity. This world has been blessed because you have been here, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So you believe somebody that does the sort of horrible act that you've described is a blessing to the world?
JA: He did bless the world
JM: My question's a little different. Do you believe that somebody that did whatever it is you allege he did, is a blessing to the world?
JA: That is not a blessing to the world
JM: So this wasn't true, then
JA: No, I just said that he blessed the world in ways.
JM: Ma'am one of the other things that is that we know about is that you and he had quite the relationship behind closed doors, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And they're called private relationships for a reason, right
JA: Yes
JM: And so one of the things that you complained about on direct examination was that nobody knew what your business or what your affairs were, do you remember complaining about that?
JA: Um, I don't remember the context, but I may have said something to that effect.
JM: And it upset you that these interactions between you and him were behind closed doors
JA: No, are you talking about, what activities are you referring to?
JM: Well, for example, you complained about when you went out that he wouldn't treat you in the sort of way that indicated that you were perhaps closer to him than you were.
JA: That's correct
JM: He wouldn't hold your hand, right
JA: Usually, not
JM: He wouldn't kiss you in public according to you
JA: He did as long as we weren't on our own home turfs
JM: But in certain circumstances he wouldn't kiss you when you went out
JA: That's correct
JM: and all of this bothered you, didn't it
JA: It did bother me
JM: And it bothered you because on the other hand, he's very attentive when doors are closed, but not when people are around, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you could have though put an end to that, couldn't you
JA: Yes
JM: You could have left, you could have gone to Yreka, right?
JA: Yes
JM: But you chose not to
JA: Not right away
JM: Well you chose not to until April of 2008, right?
JA: I, that's when I did it, I made the decision prior
JM: You made the decision in March of 2008, right?
JA: Actually it was Christmas 2007
JM: Do you remember that we took a look at your journal in March of 2008 and that's when you told him that you were going to go to Yreka
JA: That's right
JM: And also we know that you went in April of 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So you're free to go at any time that you want
JA: I was broke, so not really, but
JM: Well you had parents, right
JA: Yes
JM: They would have helped you if you went home, right
KN: Objection, relevance
Judge: rephrase
JM You asked your mom for help to move, right?
JA: Yes
JM: She came out here to Mesa, correct
JA: Yes
JM: She flew, correct?
JA: She flew to Phoenix
JM: And what ever happened, she went on her way shortly after she came out here, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And so there was at least an indication based on that that they would help, your parents would helpf you, in whatever way they could, right?
JA: yes
JM: So it wasn't a situation where you were stranded, was it
JA: Um, I mean I don't know, I didn't know that they would help me until I was desperate enough to call her and she would, she said she would
JM: Well you indicated that you called and she responded, right?
JA: Yes
JM: they wouldn't know that you needed their help unless they called, right
JA: Well, Matt called once, but unless I called and needed that kind of help
JM: On the occasion that you called your mother, isn't it true that she agreed to help, right?
JA: Yes
JM: In fact the way to help was she even came out here to help you load the truck, right?
JA: I think I got the truck after she left, but her purpose was to come and help me load the truck
JM: You didn't have the truck at the time
JA: Not yet
JM: well it seems like when you protest and say well, I'm really stuck here in AZ, you weren't really stuck in AZ, were you?
JA: I don't know, I mean my parents have been financially capable at some times and at other times not, so at the time I called they were able to help me, they were in a position to help me.
JM: And they did, the only time you asked them, related to this case, they were able to provide some help, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And in fact when you go to Yreka, you had a place to stay, right
JA: Yes
JM: You didn't want to stay with your parents
JA: there were no beds
JM: You didn't want to stay with your parents
JA: No
JM: You wanted to stay with your grandparents
JA: Yes
JM: And in fact you could get a job there if you wanted to, right
JA: I did get a job there
JM: You could if you wanted to in fact you started to work at Casa Ramos according to youj, right
JA: Well it depends on who hires, I searched and searched and hunted and I did not get a job for awhile and I finally was hired somewhere.
JM: You did get a job at Casa Ramos, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And this was in Yreka, right
JA: Yes

JM: And working at Casa Ramos, you had your own money, right
JA: Yes
JM: No one took it away from you?
JA: No
JM: And in fact you weren't lending or giving any money to Mr. Alexander at that point, right?
JA: I was paying back a debt that I owed him
JM: But that's not giving money is it
JA: Yes, I was giving it willingly
JM: Well, if you have a debt and you give money for that, that's not a gift, is it?
JA: It was not a gift, it was a repayment
JM: Right
JA: And in fact the terms were pretty loose on that
JM: And whatever you afford he would accept, right
JA: Yeah, he said to keep it at at least 100 dollars a month, but pay more any time you can pay more
JM: It was a loose agreement
JA: Yes
JM: He wasn't putting any financial pressure on you, right?
JA: Not at first
JM: When you say not at first, it implies that he was putting pressure on you at some point, right?
JA: Yes he did
JM: Was there an amount mentioned
JA: No
JM: Was there a threat of going to court to get the money?
JA: No
JM: And in fact he helped you get a car, the one that had lost the transmission and had all those problems when you started to tow it?
JA: What do you mean?
JM: He was trying to find out who was responsible for that, on your behalf, wasn't he?
JA: I think I was, I called the lawfirm, he called a law firm, we were waiting for calls back
JM: He attempted by calling a law firm, right
JA: I don't remember if he called his directly, I mean I know that I called attorneys and I think he was doing his own research on it as well
JM: When you told him that this had happened, he wasn't upset with you, was he
JA: No, he wasn't
JM: And in fact when you told him that this happened, he tried to do the best for you, right?
JA: Yes
JM: He wrote that he felt bad for you, right?
JA: yes
JM: And, in fact, the way he handled that situation, you actually in your journal, called him your hero,right?
JA: Yes
JM: so it appears that you're in Yreka, this individual, Mr. Alexander, is in the Mesa area and there doesn't seem to be any other tie other than the sexual bond, that the two of you seem to have
JA: well that and the car
JM: But the car was a loose bond, wouldn't you agree
JA: Yes
JM: You could have mailed the ayment and not talked to him ever, right?
JA: That' right
JM: You could have conceivable paid him off with one payment, not that you ever would, but that would be the end of it
JA: Of our communication
JM: No, the end of the issues involving the car
JA: um after the car was paid and I had the title, no we wouldn't have to
JM: But you did have this sexual bond, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And it appears that you wanted to be with him as much as he wanted to be with you?
JA: That would be accurate
JM: so that when we talk about, or when you tell us things like well, I was over at Sky and Christ Hughes' house approximately a week after you met him and you indicate that you had oral sex and you said that well, you were uncomfortable with that, do you remember that?
JA: Yes
JM: Well, you were pretty attracted to him, weren't you
JA: My attraction didn't develop that quickly
JM: Are you saying you did that even though you didn't want to?
JA: Yes
JM: and did you tell him that
JA: No
JM: Did you think that he was a mind-reader and would know that you didn't want to do that?
JA: No
JM: And one of the other things you said that was striking was that when he was performing oral sex on you he said you said he sure knew what he was doing? Do you remember saying that on direct examination?
JA: yes
JM: Well doesn't it take one to know one?
KN: Objection, improper
Judge: Sustained
JM: How do you know he was so good unless you had previously been exposed to that activity
JA: I was previously exposed to that activity in my prior relationships
JM: So there wasn't anything wrong with him being experienced in that area, was there?
JA: Not in my opinion, no
JM: So when you said that he was sure experienced in that area, you didn't mean to be saying that that was a negative thing, right
JA: No
JM: And the other thing that you said was no, it really wasn't your cup of tea that time, right?
JA: that's correct
JM: you could have stopped at anytime and said I don't want to see you anymore, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Cuz that was really the first time you had ever seen him, right?
JA: No that would have been our second
JM: No, I mean, alone, in private
JA: Second
JM: You'd had had some sort of sexual contact at that time?
JA: No, I'm talking alone, private
JM: I'm talking sexual contact
JA: Okay
JM: Based on what happened there, and the sexual contact at that point you said well I wasn't really that interested in him, at that point, right, you just said that?
JA: um, there was an interest but the deep level of my attraction hadn't developed to that extent
JM: So you weren't that attracted to him, right? Would that be fair to say, or no?
JA: Um, well when you say that attracted, like I was attracted to him but it felt like it was too soon, is all
JM: Well you said that my attraction hadn't developed to that point, yet which appears to say that you weren't attracted to him to have sex with him on that occasion , right?
JA: Not yet to that level
JM: You keep saying not yet, I'm just talking about that particular point, I just want you to focus on that point, at that point you were not sexually attracted to him, right
JA: I wouldn't say that
JM: Oh, so you were sexually attracted to him
JA: On some level I was
JM: and so being sexually attracted to him, this was an activity that was enjoyable to you, right
JA: Umm, it otherwise could have been but I just felt uncomfortable.
JM: Well, you're saying you felt uncomfortable, are you saying that it was not an enjoyable situation for you?
JA: Like internally, no, so physically I wasn't able to enjoy myself, but there wasn't anything actually wrong with the scenario because all the elements were there other than those things
JM: If you weren't enjoying in internally and you weren't enjoying it externally, what you're saying is you weren't enjoying it at all because there's only the internal and the external, right?
KN: Objection
Judge Overruled, you may answer
JA: Yes
JM: So you were not enjoying it that is what you're saying?
JA: Once it progressed to the oral sex, I was no longer enjoying it
JM: You could have told him to stop, right
JA: Yes
JM: But you didn't
JA: That's right?
JM: You never showed any indication that this activity was unwelcome, rigth?
JA: That's right
JM: There was no way for him to know that this activity was unwelcome, right?
JA: Yes, I think I acted liked it
JM: The answer is yes, right?
JA: That's right
JM: So after that, and really what we have to that sort of assertion, all we have is your word, we don't have for example any video or anything like that that would show us what happened then to show us you were enjoying this activity, correct?
JA: Um, that is correct
JM: and with regard to the other time, the situation in the car, again you indicated that you were uncomfortable with it right?
JA: Somewhat, yes
JM: If you were uncomfortable the first time and you have the ability to say no, you could have stopped the second time, right?
JA: Yes
JM: That was a choice that you made, right
JA: Yes
JM: You made the choice to be with him that second time, right
JA: Yes, I did
JM: So when you talk about well, I was uncomfortable about it I felt bad about itwhatever the terms are that you used, at some point even though you felt that way, that was you responsibility to let the other party know that perhaps you weren't into it as much as they were, right?
JA: Um, what do you mean? You mean if I didn't want to proceed with it, then it would have been my responsibility to tell him? That's right.
JM: You could have told him no, right
JA: I could have, yes
JM: and you've done that before in your lifetime, haven't you
JA:Um, yes
JM: And one of the things that you kept saying on direct examination was you know I felt that I liked him and didn't want to hurt his feelings. Do you remember saying that you didn't want to hurt his feelings?
JA: Yes
JM: The fact that you would have said no do you think would have hurt his feelings?
JA: I felt that way, that it would have been a blow to his ego.
JM: So you felt then that it would have been a blow to his ego if you would have told him no?
JA: yes
JM: Well, who cares about his ego?
JA: I did
JM: You cared about his ego even though you had only known him for approximately two weeks?
JA: Yes
JM: So does that mean that you were more invested in him then you are telling us? In other words at that point you really had strong feelings for him?
JA: They weren't strong, but there was an attraction there.
JM: So you were attracted to him then?
JA: Yes
JM: So you wanted this sort of activity to continue, right?
JA: What kind of activity?
JM: Sexual activity?
JA: Um, well I didn't stop it
JM: well when you say you didn't stop it, it just sounds again like you're saying, well it was all him and not you, right?
JA: no, it takes two to tango
JM: That's right and it was a mutual activity, wasn't it.
JA: Yes
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