long weekend break: discuss the latest here #113

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Well, well, I have a son who is a diagnosed psychopath and did have a son who was a violent sociopath. Based on seeing them grow up I can tell you what I experienced as the difference.

The psychotic/schizophrenic struggled constantly with trying to separate delusions from reality. He was angry a lot because he said he knew what people meant to say but they were NOT SAYING IT. They were saying something else. He is doing well on medication and still has random flashes of irrational anger but is never violent because he has empathy. He has compassion, takes insects outdoors (whereas I just kill them). He can't watch sad shows and had to stop watching TV during Newtown, etc. He was a super bright child who took too much LSD and then was shot in a holdup, after which his longtime girlfriend broke up with him. After his psychotic break it came out that he was raped by his sociopath brother--I never knew this. The psychiatrist told me that all these factors lead to his break--he was 23 at the time.

The sociopath on the other hand thought other people's suffering was interesting and sometimes quite entertaining. He just didn't feel what other people felt and looked down on the rest of us as being inferior because of our emotions. He could manipulate me easily because I loved him and felt I deserved to be tricked if I was that gullible. He was violent even to people he loved, raped his brother because he could, fractured his best friend's skull and blamed it on (the usual) random black people. He let me take him to the hospital and sit with him in Emergency for five hours while he watched football. Never had the least bit of regret. This same friend and my son started fights in bars for the opportunity (for my son) to have the joy of beating people up. He learned how to kill people with his bare hands in jail and cheerfully offered to off my exhusband the next time we went to court. (I am not kidding here- he told me the details of his plan). I was horrified beyond belief.

I changed the court date and never told anyone the new date. My son told me he thought he could get "a free one," meaning a murder, because he would easily be diagnosed as psychotic by just acting like his brother. The sociopath was always the way he was from childhood, never had a "breakdown" or a change of personality. He was always cold and always violent--and always handsome and charismatic.

That's my experience, for what it's worth.

It would have been hard enough with one child but to have two I can't imagine how you could have dealt with it all. I know some people get more than their share but you seem to have gotten it all. I hope you are safe. jmo
 
By June the temperatures here are routinely over 100. Open windows are pretty much unheard of, and the newer homes are insulated to the max. My neighbors could have a jam session with Alice Cooper over there and I wouldn't know it. Wait a minute, I think they have! ;)

Eighty-four is uncomfortable for most folks, even when the humidity is low.

The high temperature, on June 4, 2008, measured at Mormon Flat, was 94 degrees Fahrenheit.

No way were the neighbors' windows open.
 
Arias tells Det. Flores that Travis does not like the picture of him taken in the shower (the one where he is looking at the camera). Arias goes on to tell Det. Flores that she does not understand why Travis does not like the picture as she (Arias) thinks it is a great picture.

I always thought that this was a strange statement made by Arias.

When did Travis Alexander see this picture, and, have time to comment about it?

Arias telling Det. Flores' feelings about that shower picture, IMO, is creepy. Does Arias say that Travis Alexander does not like that picture because she knows that it is the last one taken of him alive?

Arias also tells Det. Flores that she knows Travis Alexander is "fine," that "he is in a better place." Is Arias so deluded that she can justify murdering Travis Alexander because all she really did was send TA to a better place? Sending TA to a better place was the best solution - TA was struggling on earth too much by giving into temptation, Arias would not have to concern herself with TA being with any other females.

a few things. Look at all the angles she took the pictures from. How can she achieve the angles without being seen? Look at how there is no barrier between them. A glass shower door causes steam and water to hit it. We see none of that in the pictures. If it's in secret, why his new camera and not her own, which she claimed she brought with her?For several minutes, he's showering with no soap whatsoever. If he was really in the shower to clean himself and not to pose for pictures, then why isn't he using soap in ALL that time. I think Jodi is just lying because she is trying to convince Flores that she didn't take the pictures. She is not beyond lying by saying Travis would NEVER let her do that. It's a silly lie since he's sending her pictures of his penis. If he was that shy, he wouldn't even have sent those.Later, she also says she talked him into the pictures. So now you have two statements. One says he'd never let her and he's all private etc and another saying she coaxed him into it. Which statement is likely true?
Since she was trying to remove herself from the crime scene, I think the first statement isn't likely to be true.
 
I don't know. I'm not sure it's me or what but this is HUGE!!!!

It's everything opposite of what the State of Arizona is paying to defend.

Her defense is self-defense, right?

Here she is, up on the stand and ADMITS, the photos were taken before she 'defended' herself, right?

So why is Travis so full of blood??

This was the 'moment'. And I'm not sure why no one else is as frustratingly excited as I am. And more so, why didn't Juan use that immediately and attack her with it. I think he might've missed it. If not....he's only helping to add to a possible hung jury then because that.....was the smoking gun!!

That made up from all the unjust from all the other cases that went wrong and no one...says a thing *sigh*

I think our Juan left a lot of goodies on the table. Perhaps he is going to address all of this in closing because, even though the defense gets their shot in closing, the prosecution has the FINAL word after. Juan's words will be the last thing the jury hears except for the judge's instruction.
 
Arias tells Det. Flores that Travis does not like the picture of him taken in the shower (the one where he is looking at the camera). Arias goes on to tell Det. Flores that she does not understand why Travis does not like the picture as she (Arias) thinks it is a great picture.

I always thought that this was a strange statement made by Arias.

When did Travis Alexander see this picture, and, have time to comment about it?

Arias telling Det. Flores' feelings about that shower picture, IMO, is creepy. Does Arias say that Travis Alexander does not like that picture because she knows that it is the last one taken of him alive?

Arias also tells Det. Flores that she knows Travis Alexander is "fine," that "he is in a better place." Is Arias so deluded that she can justify murdering Travis Alexander because all she really did was send TA to a better place? Sending TA to a better place was the best solution - TA was struggling on earth too much by giving into temptation, Arias would not have to concern herself with TA being with any other females.

So much of her tone during that interrogation is little-girl giddy.

Talk about bizarre...
 
I searched on Mathew and Matthew, McCarthy, and McCartney, and all combinations of that, and there was only one guy shown in either California or Arizona...and it wasn't the one listed in your post.


BBM
The google search words I used are at the top of the pics.. (actually I typed Matt McCartney picture Jodi Arias)
Images for matt mccartney picture jodiarias

Of course, there are a gazillion words so maybe I just got lucky. I had been looking for quite some time because I knew I had seen his pic before. I added JA to weed out other MMs.
 
I've been searching this board and can't seem to locate Flores's report, does anyone have it handy?
 
I know. I was snippy because I wanted to share this information and my posts kept getting deleted and I didn't know why. So I'd look for them and kept seeing "Happy Easter everyone" and reading who wasn't visiting whom this holiday so.....I was getting frustrated.

I don't really care but honestly, WS is a very difficult forum to follow. I find it to be any way. Maybe others find it accessible and easy. I don't.

(end rant) :great:

I just can't believe Jodi admitted that Travis was bleeding before she shot him. I mean hell......let Arizona spend ANOTHER 1-million dollars on the frivolous case and increase everyone's taxes. Why not!? I live in Florida so it doesn't effect me (end sarcasm)

BBM S'OK... when things are a'movin, I just scroll faster to get to the meat. On a looong holiday weekend like this when I am all by my lonesome waaay up here, the long reads on several WS JA threads has been enjoyable. Glad you finally got your posts up
 
BBM
The google search words I used are at the top of the pics.. (actually I typed Matt McCartney picture Jodi Arias)
Images for matt mccartney picture jodiarias

Of course, there are a gazillion words so maybe I just got lucky. I had been looking for quite some time because I knew I had seen his pic before. I added JA to weed out other MMs.

You're wasting your time...everything about him has been squashed.
 
I was under the impression that the separate bedrooms were after she told him she was through with him?

I hope that wasn't the case while they lived together for 4 yrs.!:what:

You have to assume there's a 90% chance anything in Jodispeak is untrue.

A person with morals might live in separate bedrooms while they saved money to move out. Another person might continue to use their boyfriend to cover their expenses while they shop for a man who wants to get married and have children, or more likely, has more ambition/youth/money.

Remember that when she visited MM, she was visiting him in a tent and claimed she had her own sleeping arrangements (even though she did not list herself as carrying a sleeping bag).

We don't want to make the same mistake as the experts and draw conclusions from information provided via Jodispeak.
 
It wasn't really a photo shoot! Jodi could care less if the pics looked good at all. This was premeditated and no way was she hiding and taking pics for 11 minutes! She simply wanted him in a vulnerable position so she tells him it's a "Calvin Klein Photo Shoot!" and directs him into some "poses". She has the camera in her right hand per testimony from Day 6. She gets her nerve up reaches for her weapon with her left hand and starts the murder.

TexMex, I think there is flash in all of them, what's missing is the shower's overhead light, it's not lit, just the one out in the bath hallway. There is an overhead light in the shower, you can see it turned on in his shaving pic, but it's not on in the shower pics, or at least in the dark ones, maybe she turned it off and on to see how the pics came out with and without it.
 
You have to assume there's a 90% chance anything in Jodispeak is untrue.

A person with morals might live in separate bedrooms while they saved money to move out. Another person might continue to use their boyfriend to cover their expenses while they shop for a man who wants to get married and have children, or more likely, has more ambition/youth/money.

Remember that when she visited MM, she was visiting him in a tent and claimed she had her own sleeping arrangements (even though she did not list herself as carrying a sleeping bag).

We don't want to make the same mistake as the experts and draw conclusions from information provided via Jodispeak.

Only 90% untrue? I'd say more like 99.9%
 
Ok, I'm about 10 pages behind and trying to catch up so forgive me if this has already been addressed! First, if MM is locked away somewhere else, wouldn't there be record of that somewhere?

Second...regarding the picture of JA's foot and TA's shoulder. Color me stupid, but I've looked at this pic a hundred times and I can't decipher anything in this picture. Is there a "breakdown" somewhere, or something I can look at with arrows or something?

I had THE SAME problem and came across a poster who said you need to 1) look at the lighted version of the photo (sorry don't have a link at hand - low tech here), and 2) match the drip you see on the object in the upper left corner with the previous photo of Jodi dragging Travis' body.

In addition, my theory is that the linear object below the round shoulder is the bath mat. I think she used that to move his upper body and the crime scene specialist's statement that there was blood on BOTH sides of the mat supports this theory.
 
I'd like to see the more complete photo, because I'd have bet $10 on the fact his leg is crossed!

At one time I would have bet $100 his legs were crossed! :facepalm: I can't find the most compelling one that was posted here; you can probably search this site to find it, but here's some to start with. Note how far to the right his foot is and the lack of a visible arch:


Notice both of his legs in the autopsy photos. There are bruises visible in the last seated shower pic that aren't visible on his left calf, but are visible on his outer right calf.
 
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This is the first picture I saw of MM... KNEW I had seen it but could not find again. TY bunches. This IS the same guy as in the other photo I did find.... minus the toboggan.
 
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