TX - Longview, WhtFem (UP 9863), 41-50, Suicide - Assumed Identity, Dec'10

BOESP said:

She had fertility problems, breast augmentation surgery, heavy browbones, possibly had rhinoplasty, she appears to have a low waist-to-hip measurement ratio, she has an enlarged pharynx (Adam's apple), overly large hands even for a tall woman, she claims to have spent time in Thailand. I could probably come up with more but don't see a real reason to continue. :facepalm:

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AngelaE8654 said:

Were there other blood relatives in the clan that were not Evril's direct children? Perhaps she grew up in this cult and was a relative of Evril's (niece or something, maybe) but not one of his children. Just a thought. Maybe she was a cousin to Jacqueline but not a sister. Evril had 50 children, though. Were they ALL accounted for in 1989?

That's scary about the rape of the girl in your area.

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mandiedq said:

I thought it was the Social Security Administration, not the IRS. The SSA would be looking into it because she used someone else's identity and SSN.

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AngelaE8654 said:

The fertility problems (they believe) came about because she was most likely much older than she said she was; possibly very close to menopause. There are very few pictures of her entire body and in those she's wearing loose clothing. How can you tell what her waist to hip ratio is? What's a "heavy browbone"? Her eyebrows themselves appear feminine and are the same in all the pictures, young or old. She does have a bit of what appears to be an adams apple but that may be something she inherited. If you believe she was a he-she, that's fine but I am not sure we should derail the thread over it, since it's every bit as likely she was and has always been female.

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BOESP said:

SSA, not IRS. I stand corrected.

Still, the identity was stolen from a deceased person and now Jane Doe is deceased. While alive did she obtain government funds under pretense or otherwise damage someone's reputation? What would the SSA expect in return for such an in-depth investigation? It just seems there is an extreme amount of interest in a case for a person dead, what, nearly three years? There must be more to the story.

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BOESP said:

There are several photos posted here that show her from lower torso up, one being the photo with her husband (the one where other posters commented how much they looked alike -- interesting opinions which I agree with). I can tell by looking that her waist and hips are almost straight up and down, no waist indentation and very narrow-looking hips. I also said "appeared to be" which is not a definitive statement.

A heavy browbone is, well, a heavy browbone -- the upper bone of the eye socket underneath where one's eyebrows grow appears heavy as opposed to refined. Eyebrows are hair and can be easily altered cosmetically but the browbone in women is rarely prominent.

"he-she" and "derailing the thread" .... hmmm ....

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FiveFelines said:

Does anyone know why the Seattle SSA investigator is on this case? Did the Ruffs' politician friend know him personally? Or was it because BST died in WA state? There is an SSA investigation field office in Dallas, which seems like it would make more sense: http://oig.ssa.gov/about-oig/offices/office-investigations

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DeLorean said:

Could the debt to the pain management clinic be related to a parachuting accident?

The forehead in that photo does look a bit like recent botox. I'm thinking it could also be swelling from a bug bite. Or just extremely badly angled lighting which, because of her height, wouldn't be problem for most of the other people getting their photos taken there. It's a lot easier to raise a camera tripod than completely rearrange light stands and umbrellas, etc.

I find it pretty hard to believe a lifelong FLDS member would jump at exotic dancing a first career choice once out of the flock. Waitressing? Sure. Office work? If possible. Farm labor? Certainly. Stripping? Uh, not so likely to me.

Is it or was it possible to set up a P.O. Box without doing so in person at the time her box in Boulder was being used? Do we have any info on any other deliveries that may have been made to that box or people accessing it? If you could only rent one in person, I'm assuming she lived within a 3 hour drive of Boulder, NV at that time.

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BOESP said:

SSA, not IRS. I stand corrected.

Still, the identity was stolen from a deceased person and now Jane Doe is deceased. While alive did she obtain government funds under pretense or otherwise damage someone's reputation? What would the SSA expect in return for such an in-depth investigation? It just seems there is an extreme amount of interest in a case for a person dead, what, nearly three years? There must be more to the story.

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keokuk said:

New Here, came from the Seattle Times article and have read all 80+ pages of this discussion! I have to admit, I've probably lurked around on this site a long time - anyway, I am *obsessed* with this woman's story! She would be a few months older than I am based on the birthdate on her documents, I feel very certain she is far older than 18 on her Boise ID, my guess would be mid 20's. Her face seems very angular for a teenager and she doesn't really have any "baby fat".

One thing I think is curious is the speculation that she might be one of Jahnke kids. That website that was mentioned earlier in this thread http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2006/10/22/richard-jahnke-murder-111682-cheyenne-wy/ has some interesting info - the family lived in Scottsdale, and the kids are half-Puerto Rican (maybe this is how she would be familiar with Cuban food?). Also she'd obviously know how to use a gun. There are commenters on that website that would have been in school with those kids and mention that their understanding is that Deborah changed her name and went on with a new life. Her sentence was commuted in '83 I think. It seems like it would be weird for her to do the loompanics version of obtaining a new identity and *then* go to Texas and give convincing testimony to a judge to change her identity to LEK though.

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Linda9681 said:

Reasons why she might look like Blake..I remember talking about this in one of my classes but had to look it up to make sure I was not dreaming...
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=husband%20and%20wife%20startt%20to%20look%20alike&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F1987%2F08%2F11%2Fscience%2Flong-married-couples-do-look-alike-study-finds.html&ei=TaraUYbwDYPQ8wSn7oCIDg&usg=AFQjCNFuEVdf0-TrEP0V9XCNtHkZNHhb4g

good reason to marry up, :floorlaugh:

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