IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #23

superbee said:

It has been awhile now since I watched the video of the girls riding bikes, but I do remember seeing those trailers or buildings on the lot and wondering about them too. If I recall correctly, on the left in the video is a deck with a chair where I presume folks go out to have a puff.

I suspect, if the girls were like me, if they saw a person often, not even speaking to them, their stranger alert system may be down a notch or two. I have to keep reminding myself to be cautious, and I'm an old crow, not 2 young girls zipping around on their bikes on a nice summer day.

I wonder, if instead of the lost puppy scenario, the perp, or one of them, pretended to fall and be hurt, as the girls were coming by a parking lot? Even most adults would react with help, instead of leaving the 'injured' person and run into a business or home to call 911 and bring aid.

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Bootsctr said:

I miss Greta too! She did ask great questions. Can't figure out why she chose politics over missing children.... well, I have my suspicions.

Regarding Meyers lake and why the family thought the girls might have gone there, I thought Elizabeth might have ridden there with some neighborhood children. The ones that lived on Mr. C's (lawnwatering guy) street where he always saw Elizabeth riding. I thought Aunt Tammy said Elizabeth had ridden or gone to Meyers lake with the children that lived on that street. I'm probably confused.

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Marilynilpa said:

Here's a different quote from Sandy Breault of the FBI:

In the Evansdale case, Breault said the dogs had indicated the girls’ scent was in the area near Meyers Lake.

“The scent did lead to the water, which is also where their bikes were found,” she said.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_e795f002-d1ad-11e1-b983-001a4bcf887a.html

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Marilynilpa said:

All of this talk about the girls not ever making it to the lake is interesting.

But weren't there dogs at the lake that detected their scent? I know we discussed this at length on some of the earlier threads. Sarx, a verified SAR person, answered many questions about that. I believe GrainneDhu, also, weighed in on the subject. I haven't gone back to look for the posts, I'm just going by what I recall.

I found this earlier today while looking for something else, and thought I'd post it here. It's Tammy's comments about her own investigation:

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But what I`m saying is, so I -- after the tape came down, I went back in that area and I started doing my own investigation, and looking around and seeing what I could see. And I could so feel that somebody had come down here, had been watching the girls for quite some time -- whether it even started as they left Heather and Mom`s place -- they`d been following them and watching them, seen them come down here.

They know the area very well, watched the girls go around the lake. He knew how to access the back because he seen them heading down there. You know, maybe they were down there, you know, standing on those rocks, tossing them in the water, as kids do.

Anyway -- and it was a very hot, lazy Friday. There wasn`t many people out. I kind of looked around to see because after where the bikes were dropped on the bike trail, there`s about 400 yards of forest, and then that grassy area where I`m telling you that somebody could easily access the bike trail from, park their car along that grassy forest and got out and had a knife or whatever it was, and said to the girls, you know, Get in this vehicle right now or it`s over with for you.

And I could so see that -- that, you know, happening because, you know, where -- where are the girls, you know?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/19/ng.01.html

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Yes especially if there was a trail. The question is 'how did they get there'? On their bikes or otherwise.

As for shooting down theories: nothing I say is sacrosanct in this matter.
The truth and solving this is all that matters -

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NWLady said:

I don't recall seeing any video or links where JP (from auction business) was interviewed? Does anyone else recall this??

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georger said:

So if the FBI dogs detected the girls' scents at the lake, wouldn't that mean the girls actually made it to the lake that day?

Yes especially if there was a trail. The question is 'how did they get there'? On their bikes or otherwise.

As for shooting down theories: nothing I say is sacrosanct in this matter.
The truth and solving this is all that matters -

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Actually, it just means the girls were there recently. Dogs just pick up the most recent scent. IF the scent was detected at the lake, which I personally doubt, then it just means they were there at some point -- not necessarily that day.

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JaimeInLA said:

Actually, it just means the girls were there recently. Dogs just pick up the most recent scent. IF the scent was detected at the lake, which I personally doubt, then it just means they were there at some point -- not necessarily that day.

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Snufamonbobball said:

Would the purse being left near the lake carry enough scent for the dogs to have hit on it even if the girls never made it that far?

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TeenyTaurus said:

I had read in MSM more than once that, while MSM seemed quite focused on Meyers Lake in the beginning, LE was not. In fact, a relatively small number were even there while that lake was being drained, and that a lot of the focus was closer to where the Collins live. I also read that LE did attempt to collect surveillance videos from numerous places up in north Evansdale, with the First Security State Bank, as well as Fareway Grocery specifically named. (They also interviewed a few employees of Fareway, who had been "out back on a cigarette break" that day).
OUR view of events has been mostly via MSM, and that was focused on that lake, primarily, and I feel such has had a tendency to skew perspectives a wee bit. JMO

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Marilynilpa said:

BBM

Just to keep things "official", I believe the Fareway Grocery info came from FB, it was never reported in MSM.

If I'm wrong, please provide a link to that - I've been hearing this rumor from early on but have never seen it verified. TIA

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Bootsctr said:

Yikes! :what:

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NWLady said:

Thought others may find this interesting...I was searching on You Tube in hopes of finding a taping of the live stream coverage that was done before the Life and Love Celebration for Elizabeth started, and I ran across interview with Drew and Heather done by Tania Fiolleau, Part 1 and Part 2. Lots of things are discussed in this interview, including working on posters for RSO's, etc. I am not good at posting links, I would be happy to post it if I could but by search you will find it. I hadn't heard this interview mentioned anywhere and thought I would share what I found.

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Squeeze said:

Many good points. Regarding when Heather said of burying bones. I don't think she meant that literally. She was referring to it just being a body.

As far as the hunters not hunting the same ground, that's not true. Deer are mobile, and usually one or more hunters flush out the deer, while others stand and wait. Si it would be more likely that the WOULD cover the same ground.

As far as popularity of the hunting site, like I said, I have a coworker who knows many hungers who hunt that area, so in guessing it was hunted many tines during first season, the first Saturday of December through that Wednesday, the day the girls were found. Other times of the year, maybe not, although bow hunting season starts I believe October 1 and breaks for shotgun season in December.

And j always thought that the girls were taken much closer to home. I hope that all campers were meticulously checked. Would be easy to lure them into a camper.

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passionflower said:

dog scent could of been off bikes? purse? articles tossed by perp?
Maybe he walked around for a minute with some article from 1 of the girls?
JMOO

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joerose said:

Great post, thank you. I was thinking if there were keggers out there that people would be wandering off to the bushes to use the facilities. They would wander far enough away from the fire and the keg so that they wouldn't be seen.
Also, where do people park when they have those keg parties? TIA

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Snufamonbobball said:

Would the purse being left near the lake carry enough scent for the dogs to have hit on it even if the girls never made it that far?

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