Police asks help identifying the people in photos taken by murderer

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I have wondered a little whether one of the supposedly female pictures at the OC register site is Mitchel Weiser.
http://images.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/gallery/kzdvdi-kzdvck0129.jpg

You know, that's who I thought of too, seeing Mitchell. The Alcala photo person strikes me as a girl, though, but I've been wrong before. Mitchell doesn't appear to have earrings in any of his photos and I'm not sure if the glasses are right but those things can have changed if he ran away from home. His eyes are supposed to be hazel and UI looks like brown to me. Mitchel has discoloration in his teeth but we can't really see the UI's teeth and I can't tell if there is a scar in the lower lip but I can't see it in Mitchel's photos either, so... Mitchel has a plain ring in one of the photos, the UI appears to have one with a stone in it in a different finger.

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These may be the goldrimmed glasses he was wearing when he went missing, and they're different from the unidentified person. The other glasses are a better match but the pointy whatdoyoucallit that you stick behind your ear are different from the UI photo.
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Could the marks on her face have been from duct-tape? For some reason that is the first thing that came to mind while I was reading. It may not be bruising but it defiantly looks like something has irritated the skin.

Duct-tape would make sense?

It could also be marks from a gag?

It does seem something irritated the skin around her mouth, mostly the area above her upper lip. It could be that Im just looking to hard, though.

When I orginally posted that photo I was unsure of one thing - it seems unlikely that a struggle would happen that would cause enough force for him to cause what appears to be injury around her mouth without her getting out of that fur coat.

I do wonder - is it possible hes posed her in the fur coat for the photo? It very well may be HER coat, but Im curious as to why she doesnt seem to be wearing any sort of shirt under the fur coat, it very well could be possible that was the style, or that she just didnt have anything on under the coat but I think its worth questioning, seeing as how so many of the women he took photos of had their tops off.

To the people that remember the styles during that time - When people wore a fur coat like that what did they normally wear under it? Was it in style to wear really low cut tops so low we wouldnt see it in the photo?
 
In one of those weird cases of synchronicity, it seems while one of our posters was commenting about Carlene Brown, the Rawlins paper finally! ran a story about that bizarre summer when four girls went missing.
Snipped.

Despite the apparent lack of coverage at the time, Banker was actually the fourth missing person in Rawlins in seven weeks.

The others were likely visitors to the area.

Carlene Brown and Christy Gross, 19, of Bowdle, S.D., were last seen at Rawlins’ Little Britches Rodeo on July 4, 1974. Gross’ remains surfaced Oct. 27, 1983, three miles north of Sinclair.
http://rawlinstimes.com/articles/2010/03/20/news/doc4ba44cdbd1dd7550062303.txt
I think this is probably the man LE suspected in '91. He is a bad un for sure.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_n1_v63/ai_15155542/


from the above link: On March 31, 1990, Clegg abducted the victim as she was walking in town, took her to a remote area, and sexually assaulted her. He then drove to another location, where he murdered and buried her. Clegg used a tire iron to beat the victim and then drove a vehicle over her. The car used in the crime was borrowed from one of Clegg's friends.

Where was this guy when Gloddy went missing, that's exactly what her sister said the perp did to her in the video I linked yesterday: drove a car over her after she was murdered! Good grief, their can't be two people with that MO is there?
 
Thanks for finding that... Now how and when did he get there? And where else did he go? And where can we find missing persons from those areas?

Well, it does say the pictures were from the early 70's, but Acala was in jail in 71-74. So, if it's the early 70's that leaves 1970 to his arrest in August 12, 1971.

This brings a question up that I've had all along, how do we know that Acala took all of these pictures? Could some of these girls have been actual models that he met and gave him some of their portfolio shots (or he took them from their portfolio). These two girls in the Copenhagen shot for instance, do look like models to me. So do several others in the collection. The one sitting at the kitchen table obviously having a conversation with him, looks like she may be describing her modeling experience or something, kinda like interviewing for a job. I'm wondering, if Acala was really a decent photographer, because he didn't work as one ever, did he?
 
Well, it does say the pictures were from the early 70's, but Acala was in jail in 71-74. So, if it's the early 70's that leaves 1970 to his arrest in August 12, 1971.

This brings a question up that I've had all along, how do we know that Acala took all of these pictures? Could some of these girls have been actual models that he met and gave him some of their portfolio shots (or he took them from their portfolio). These two girls in the Copenhagen shot for instance, do look like models to me. So do several others in the collection. The one sitting at the kitchen table obviously having a conversation with him, looks like she may be describing her modeling experience or something, kinda like interviewing for a job. I'm wondering, if Acala was really a decent photographer, because he didn't work as one ever, did he?

I wouldnt think they would give him photos out of their portfolio but I would think without a doubt they brought their portfolio with them if they were coming thinking they were going to have a photo shoot, so he could have access to take them. They must have released all of the photos that could have been out of a portfolio, because they released everything that could be cropped so it didnt show nudity/graphic images. I wonder if thats the case, will anyone see those photos as ones they took and come forward? It doesnt seem that he ever worked as a photographer, at least not in what Ive read about him thus far.

I doubt anyone that came in contact with him had ANY idea they should be scared of him until it was way too late, as he seemed to have an amazing ability to charm people into thinking he wasnt harmful. Per his article on trutv:

"Los Angeles Police Detective Steve Hodel investigated. He says professors at UCLA told him they must have the wrong guy. They just couldn't imagine that the well-spoken, sophisticated art student could have committed such a crime."

"When he got out (from the 2 year sentence he got for 'Julie J') Alcala's trusting parole officer gave him permission to go to New York to visit relatives, for the summer of 1977."

"The FBI finally connected the dots and questioned Alcala in Los Angeles. He admitted knowing Ellen Hover, but investigators hadn't yet found her body, so they let him go and apparently filed the case away."

"The Hillside Strangler Task Force eventually followed Alcala to his mother's home, interviewing him there in March 1978. They were questioning all sex offenders in the area. They didn't actually suspect him of the killings, but did charge him with possession of a small amount of marijuana. He was out of jail on the drug charge by the end of June."

"This was just a month after Jill Barcomb's murder—and a mere few days after the FBI had questioned Rodney Alcala regarding Ellen Hover's death in New York earlier that year."

"Alcala had been interviewed by the Hillside Strangler Task Force in conjunction with Jill Barcomb's death just weeks before he allegedly raped and killed Lamb."

If he was able to fool so many people that are trained to pick up on people like him, those poor people have no chance.

These statments (also on trutv) infuriate me. Family member or not, WHY did they keep trying to protect him?

"Rodney Alcala's mother posted bail. And he would strike again."

"Alcala's sisters (Christine xxxx and Marie xxxx) and his mother insisted that Alcala had called both sisters from his mother's house around the time of Robin's abduction. While those calls do appear on phone bills, there's no way of confirming whether Alcala or his mother made them."
 
This brings a question up that I've had all along, how do we know that Acala took all of these pictures?

We can't rule out someone else giving him some photos from their "private collection."

ETA: Another perp, that is.
 
IMO most of these girls are not attractive enough to be models. To me they seem attractive enough to be flattered by a handsome man wanting to take their picture. There seems to be no reason someone would want to keep these pictures unless they were trophy pictures . If they are trophy pictures, Alcala would not want any one else's "trophies" in his collection.
 
IMO most of these girls are not attractive enough to be models. To me they seem attractive enough to be flattered by a handsome man wanting to take their picture. There seems to be no reason someone would want to keep these pictures unless they were trophy pictures . If they are trophy pictures, Alcala would not want any one else's "trophies" in his collection.

Do we know that Alcala left the US/Canada? There were some photos taken in foreign countries.
 
IMO most of these girls are not attractive enough to be models. To me they seem attractive enough to be flattered by a handsome man wanting to take their picture. There seems to be no reason someone would want to keep these pictures unless they were trophy pictures . If they are trophy pictures, Alcala would not want any one else's "trophies" in his collection.

Woah...handsome? Alcala? Is he really considered handsome? I watched the clip from The Dating Game, and I just don't see it. Even if he weren't a complete creeper, there doesn't seem to be anything remotely attractive about him. I can't figure out why anybody would go with him.

Or was he actually considered an attractive man back in the day?
 
It would be helpful to know where he was stationed in the army from 1961-1964.
 
I would have considered him handsome back in the day. Not my type though.
 
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from the above link: On March 31, 1990, Clegg abducted the victim as she was walking in town, took her to a remote area, and sexually assaulted her. He then drove to another location, where he murdered and buried her. Clegg used a tire iron to beat the victim and then drove a vehicle over her. The car used in the crime was borrowed from one of Clegg's friends.

Where was this guy when Gloddy went missing, that's exactly what her sister said the perp did to her in the video I linked yesterday: drove a car over her after she was murdered! Good grief, their can't be two people with that MO is there?

As horrific as it is, apparently there can be two people with that MO. In Gloddy's case, it appears the POI was a man named Dukette. Thank you for considering Clegg as a suspect though-I feel he has many more victims out there. Unfortunately, there's not a lot on the 'net about him.
 
There is something creepy about him. I think it's the eyes. Very predatory.
 
Our time line shows he was a fugitive from 1968-1971 enrolled at NYU under an alias. He was on the 10 most wanted list during the summer of 1971, arrested Aug 12 in NH. So unless someone else took the pictures, he must has been in Copenhagen during this time. Wonder if he was considering fleeing to Denmark, and was there checking it out. He would have had to have a phony passport. It's a relief to know these women are alive.
 
Should we perhaps be looking for young boys missing from the HB area?


Leedom said Alcala gave her a ride to work once and invited her to his mother's home to look at dozens of pictures he'd taken of other teenagers before asking to photograph her at her parents' house.

"I was a 17-year-old girl and I said, 'Oh, a professional photographer wants to take my picture! Of course I'll do it,"' she recalled.

Alcala bragged about how he was a member of Mensa, the organization for people with a genius IQ, and always wore a medallion around his neck that he said signified his membership in the group, she said.

"I think he was grooming me. He showed me all these pictures he had taken.

He showed me pictures of nude boys and some of them were so striking that they stick in my mind today," Leedom said.


Snipped from here:
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-alcala-other-victims-identified,0,1874604.story
 
We can't rule out someone else giving him some photos from their "private collection."

ETA: Another perp, that is.

I've been thinking the same thing for some time now.
I've wondered if Alcala was working with, or communicating with another killer(s).
 
Random observations:

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00053.jpg
One of the papers on the wall looks like it says "The Modern(?) Jazz Quartet"

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/01431.jpg
Greenwich Village poster -
The "Three.... Sleeping Beauty" book/album collection.. does anyone know anything about that? -
has anyone identified that record yet, the one with the guys in a forest(?)-
and those headphones are the same as in these pictures, and I'm assuming they're all in the same apartment:
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00751.jpg
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00681.jpg
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00443.jpg
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00403.jpg

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00522.jpg
She's holding a Kodak Instamatic 154. These were made from 1965-1969.
 
Normally, when I'm looking for a match for someone, I'm looking at a very specific time frame. In this case, we're looking at a period of over ten years. Looking at a ten year period, it's amazing how many unsolved homicides I've come across of both known and unknown victims. It almost makes me think it was easier to get away with murder then than it would be to get away with shoplifting today.
 
Random observations:

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00053.jpg
One of the papers on the wall looks like it says "The Modern(?) Jazz Quartet"

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/01431.jpg
Greenwich Village poster -
The "Three.... Sleeping Beauty" book/album collection.. does anyone know anything about that? -
has anyone identified that record yet, the one with the guys in a forest(?)-
and those headphones are the same as in these pictures, and I'm assuming they're all in the same apartment:
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00751.jpg
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00681.jpg
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00443.jpg
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00403.jpg

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00522.jpg
She's holding a Kodak Instamatic 154. These were made from 1965-1969.

If you read back in the thread, I know the Jefferson Airplane and CCR Green River albums have been identified earlier in this thread and the Beatle's pictures on the wall were a "freebie" with their White album, also the camera info is already here, but thanks for joining us! I can't remember exactly where in the threads, but if you search you'll find them. Not sure where you're seeing the Modern Jazz Quartet poster, but wasn't Dave Brubeck's called that? Looks so far as if this was Alcala's east coast apt. between 68 -71.
 
I'm going to move the Denmark pic posts to a thread of their own in an effort to begin organizing the pics for better sleuthing. :)
 
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