MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #6

smeck said:

I do not understand how the mom could have "pocket dialed" the cell phone at 2:30 am when she says that she was asleep and the phones were on the kitchen counter. If the cell phone was used then it wasnt on the counter and maybe the mom wasnt sleeping.

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FWIW- my cellphone has a lock on it that I have to hit a button before I can text or make a call because of the "pocket calling" it's very annoying but i've received calls from people that way so I guess its a good thing to have. You cant get around that either. It's not an option. We don't know what kind of phone she may have.

smeck said:

I wonder if the parents know anyone that lives in that apartment building?

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If you do a google map tour....it is very close. The street, NE 37th, appears to end at a T intersection requiring a turn either right or left onto Lister. The apartments are more like a kind of townhouse design. There are multiple dumpsters, no security gate (apartments are on both sides of the street), and there do not appear to be any security cameras. It looks as if you might use this street as a primary way to access the Lister street neighborhood on a regular basis.

jmo

dog.gone.cute said:

Guessing : baby's clothing ? maybe a baby blanket ? baby bottle ? something that would have been taken along with a 10 month old baby ? the cell phones ?

IMO and from "my experience" a "dumpster fire" is not that common -- I have dealt with "dumpsters" for years in my work ... I don't ever recall anything close to a fire.

But people do dump some "unbelievable things" in and around dumpsters ...

moo ...

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Dumpster fires are fairly common around here where I live. Not sure if it's just punks having "fun" or what.

ETA: But yeah, I think they must be looking more closely for baby clothes, etc.

http://g.co/maps/9m2qf

dumpster fire location added to map

In da Middle said:

This revelation kinda makes me lean to parental involvement. How would a random stranger get this lucky????? Too many lucky coincidences for me...

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You could well be right. However, I awakened one night to hear my front doorknob being jiggled repeatedly. I was sooo terrified I could almost hear my own heart beating in my chest. I peeked out a side window and could not see any cars parked in my drive or out on the street... nothing. Then I was able to detect from a street-light a shadowy figure walking away. Had I somehow accidently left my door unlocked that night, well... you get my drift.

I also think the dumpster on fire, if it is connected, points to an abductor... take the baby, do your dirty deed and get rid of them. Isn't this what the neighbor in the Breeana case did? Isn't this those perv's MO?

What is a cable box? Is it valuable? Why would someone take one?

DLT88 said:

Yes, and most wives that I know are a bit nervous when they know they are home alone without a male adult in the house, and they would actually double-lock doors and windows if they could and secure the house before bed. Strange that the door was always locked before but on the one night when you are 'alone' without your husband home, you say, "ah, I don't feel like locking the door tonight". That's all I would think about -- was the unlocked door -- and I'd have to get up to lock it. But I'm a nervous Nelly.

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I am the same way! Hubby has had to work nights a few times. Those are the nights I am most vigilant about checking the locks on doors and windows. And, while the phone is normally in the kitchen, I would always make sure the cordless was right on the nightstand within reach.

Hey BeanE I never heard about the cable box! if so, that even makes it more strange! Did you recall where you read that by any chance?

gwenabob said:

Sorry if this has been covered earlier, but does this family have two cars? Could Mom have taken off while the boys slept? Or would she have had to walk? Like to an apartment complex close by.

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LE searched a car and a van early on. The van is the dad's that he would take to work, so, I assume the car would be accessible to the mom.

nursebeeme said:

Hey BeanE I never heard about the cable box! if so, that even makes it more strange! Did you recall where you read that by any chance?

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I thought in one of the abc news articles, but I'm not finding it, and someone posted that it was something a member had posted, so I dunno.

CN2Souls said:

Now missing are, Baby, 3 phones, and random neighborhood dog?

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Don't take your eyes off the thread for a second CN2Souls or something else will turn up missing ...... you are simply killing me ..........:floorlaugh:

I've only seen snippets of this case, haven't followed it closely the last few days. Only comments:

- thought the mom's initial TV appearances showed sincere and appropriate tears, crying and pleas...it seemed real to me

- immediate!!! hinky meter went off when I heard the news about 3 cell phones missing. What???? No, that's very unusual

- talk of polygraph results...while not admissable, we have a polygrapher here in our office. We see them all the time...I believe they can be very reliable. We do use it as a tool frequently. I'm basically a believer in them. So, that she failed...and maybe even "failed miserably" really concerns me.

I think I'm off the fence. I know it's early.

Prayers to Baby Lisa and I hope her whereabouts are known soon.

http://g.co/maps/c4785

I put the river on the map just so people can see how close it is... (someone asked upstream where it was) hope this helps

DLT88 said:

Yes, and most wives that I know are a bit nervous when they know they are home alone without a male adult in the house, and they would actually double-lock doors and windows if they could and secure the house before bed. Strange that the door was always locked before but on the one night when you are 'alone' without your husband home, you say, "ah, I don't feel like locking the door tonight". That's all I would think about -- was the unlocked door -- and I'd have to get up to lock it. But I'm a nervous Nelly.

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This is me...married, mom of 3. I'm always the one to lock and check doors. If my husband isn't home, I hear more creaks and snaps (not just my knees!) and sounds around and triple check things.

After being a member of WS, though? I realize I'm so much more aware of my surroundings. And I have always been a careful mom.

I need an "I digress" emoticon.

matou said:

What is a cable box? Is it valuable? Why would someone take one?

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Can't figure why one would take it but I have Time Warner cable and have a cable box. It's necessary for us to get more channels than just the basic cbs, nbc, abc. I suppose there is value to it if one were to sell it, but you would still need service thru cable company so maybe not.

Not at all clear to me why one would take it, Matou.

JMO and speculation, but I think the repeated searches of multiple locations (woods, home, dumpster, landfill) is LE looking for things that may have been left there *after* they were known to be already searched (or presumed to be safe after x period of time).

Just a thought...

Even tho I know LE may come back with dogs or different dogs, more personnel to do grid search, etc..

ETA: It seems clear to me that LE is building a rock-solid case against someone(s)...they know who the perp(s) is and are not "just" doing investigative work....JMO...I'm new at this stuff...JMO...

matou said:

What is a cable box? Is it valuable? Why would someone take one?

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It's a receiver that everyone had to get when we switched over to DTV a couple of years ago. No, it's not valuable at all. But then again, neither are cell phones.

I think I'm gonna go ahead and jump off the fence. I'm starting to smell what Mommy stepped in and I don't like it.

Lisa Irwin Timeline

Monday October 3, 2011

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG


~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

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Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)—Correction. One son—the 6 year old was asleep with the mom and a stray kitten he had found earlier in the day.

Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.—Jeremy http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/miss...olice-14688735

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-aut...rch-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)




http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lis...scussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story

**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4


Originally Posted by BeanE [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7196439#post7196439"] [/ame]--thank you BeanE
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg


"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG


Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3


Friday October 7, 2011

(thank you BeanE for gathering these)
#LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
1 minute ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
21 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
38 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
3 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

#LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
5 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
6 minutes ago


**Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said it’s not necessary.


Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremy’s home (thank you Carriebean)


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19070&d=1317999122




**a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)

http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/20111007/896530303.shtml
**FBI cleared all the people that Jeremy and Debbie mentioned as possible suspects.


PER FOX NEWS REPORT AT 12:00 P.M.
***Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.

**Debbie failed the LDT “MISERABLY”

** Jeremy at work constructing a new Starbucks (company? All Current Electric)

**Per the great grandfather (see the end of the following video at the 1:16 mark)


The GGFather then says "they are supposed to...with their lawyer offer some kind of statement to the press at a later time...(-00:19)

Then the reporter then says "...as you just heard, the couple has now hired a lawyer .....

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating

Thank you to Hazel for finding this!

***ANONYMOUS TIP—LE searching Shawnee Kansas landfill.


http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...-search-tied-to-Lisa-Irwin-case#ixzz1a7YeLYOn


**FBI: This is the second time they've searched the JOCO landfill. The first was Tuesday - hours after #LisaIrwin was reported missing.
10 minutes ago


**Searching landfill----possible connection to a dumpster fire at 4897 NE 37 st at 2:27 a.m. Tuesday, October 4. Dumpster less than ½ mile from Irwin home. Trash from fire been examined twice. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-pol...-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story

BeanE said:

Last post in the last thread has a link to a news article saying it was the first time Mom didn't lock the door.

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Maybe the first time she didn't and something bad happened. I just don't know, but I still don't think the parents did this.

Where is the info coming from that is being leaked and then denied? I know it sounds soap opera'ish (new word, lol), but if someone wanted to get back at these parents for something then this would be worse than killing them. Take their baby, make it look like they are guilty then play little games with the LE and the parents to pit one against the other and then the new tip to look in the landfill.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think the parents are guilty.

Custody battles with the other kids? I'll show you how it feels to lose your child? IDK

nursebeeme said:

http://g.co/maps/c4785

I put the river on the map just so people can see how close it is... (someone asked upstream where it was) hope this helps

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RB&UBM

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