yup! I got my hail mary's all outta the duck row!
lol good one
yup! I got my hail mary's all outta the duck row!
You know how I feel about the system, but as far as I know she didn't have a criminal record and there were no allegations of violence or abuse against her.
There needs to be evidence presented in order for a judge to order a thorough check in a custody case.
My understanding is that Dad didn't contest the visitation on the most recent filing.
As far as I know, this isn't a case where there were allegations of abuse. Maybe dad didn't have a lawyer ? Honestly, I don't think the case was presented well in court and a judge rules on the evidence he/she has.
I'm not trying to place blame on anyone, family court attorneys are very expensive and many parents don't know what they're getting into. You have to file the right motions/ petitions and ask for what you want along with evidence/documentation as to why and on what legal basis you should get it.
While she might have been a crappy parent, I don't think anybody saw this coming.
BBM. I have to disagree on this statement.- at least where it related outside of family court. Stephanie saw this coming. I don't know if you saw theknot wedding site with comments about the love both of these nauseating 's wrote about each other. Stephanie commented several times about not 'provoking' his bad boy side. Her use of the word 'provoke' numerous times indicated to me she knew NOT to provoke him and what provoking him might entail.
Yet, she still decided to bring her child into this horrendous environment. A child who clearly provoked Nathan by normal childhood behavior.
If I say more I will need to time myself out, so I'll leave it at that.
BBM. I have to disagree on this statement.- at least where it related outside of family court. Stephanie saw this coming. I don't know if you saw theknot wedding site with comments about the love both of these nauseating 's wrote about each other. Stephanie commented several times about not 'provoking' his bad boy side. Her use of the word 'provoke' numerous times indicated to me she knew NOT to provoke him and what provoking him might entail.
Yet, she still decided to bring her child into this horrendous environment. A child who clearly provoked Nathan by normal childhood behavior.
If I say more I will need to time myself out, so I'll leave it at that.
i think neglect and abandonment should be looked upon as abuse allegations.
i just cant believe she fights to get visitation then lets her boyfriend/fiance/husband murder him and then abuse his corpse.
I don't thinkshe saw it coming either! Honestly I think when finally realized it she was under the train! and it was far too late. She was too wrapped up in her romantic fantasy to see that she had already sold her soul to the devil (so to speak) and there was no turning back. Too bad for her. If she had been the mother her child deserved she waoulod ahce waited on a new romance until AFTER Etan was 18. This was HER time to be a mom! not a love sick teenager!
I agree 100%...... I absolutely agree that both were probably spun hard on Meth. I have thought this from the beginning, for the very reasons you stated."Just a bad case of two very selfish people who got together ........Like I said before.....Ethan would have probably annoyed him and invaded their love nest and I just dont think she had enough of the motherly instinct needed......ended up in disaster...." ReV, I totally agree with this.
I also think drugs are involved in this relationship. I think they were getting high (probably on meth) during that week. They did not seem to have any plans for the child's visit, nor does it seem like they are gainfully employed. So how did they support themselves? Folks on drugs do not exactly show maternal instincts and make parenting a priority.
Drugs of that type tend to make a person violent and paranoid, not go much out of the house, and a child would be VERY irritating.
I do not think this was planned, but once little Ethan was badly beaten, there was no turning back.
He probably expired sometime on Sat evening. The two sat there, may have been getting high (thus being up all night, going to the "store" at 5 AM, then having to go to sleep, etc).
I may be wrong here, but dude does have a drug history. People who are using have truly bizarre and deadly behavior.
I am glad precious Ethan is now happily playing in heaven.
BBM. I have to disagree on this statement.- at least where it related outside of family court. Stephanie saw this coming. I don't know if you saw theknot wedding site with comments about the love both of these nauseating 's wrote about each other. Stephanie commented several times about not 'provoking' his bad boy side. Her use of the word 'provoke' numerous times indicated to me she knew NOT to provoke him and what provoking him might entail.
Yet, she still decided to bring her child into this horrendous environment. A child who clearly provoked Nathan by normal childhood behavior.
If I say more I will need to time myself out, so I'll leave it at that.
I don't thinkshe saw it coming either! Honestly I think when finally realized it she was under the train! and it was far too late. She was too wrapped up in her romantic fantasy to see that she had already sold her soul to the devil (so to speak) and there was no turning back. Too bad for her. If she had been the mother her child deserved she waoulod ahce waited on a new romance until AFTER Etan was 18. This was HER time to be a mom! not a love sick teenager!
on NS probable cause affidavit in paragraph 4 on pg 3 it states... "In a photo with a time date stamp of May 4, 2010, Ethan has a large, and very noticiable area of swelling to the jaw and face."
Hey cubbyHi Calliope, I know we are all heated and emotional over this tragedy which occured to Ethan, but I would like to point someting out to not only you, but the group in general. (so everyone knows who I am speaking to.)
Right now NS's mothers is NOT a poi, nor is she a suspect. I think we need to keep the discussion on here comments to LE regarding seeing Ethan and everything being 'hunky dory' in check here, by that I mean, the possibilities according to the law.
NS's mom is NOT a mandatory reporter, and it is my understanding it is not against any law, at least not here in Illinois to not report a crime. I know that because I just finished my towns 12 week citizens police academy course. So it is my opinion and understanding, there would be NO crime for her not reporting abuse. We have a MORAL obligation to report crime, but there is no LEGAL obligation in some cases.
What may be a crime on her part is knowlingly giving LE false information regarding injuries she saw on Ethan to interfer with LE's investigation in the case. Time will tell if NS's mother is guilty of providing false information to LE to interfer with the investigation.
Thanks everyone!
Cubby