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JB's cross examination of Vass felt like waterboarding to me. I don't know how he survived and never cracked to just give JB what he was striving so hard for! The Defense strategy is to destroy the experts with inane questions over and over and over and over and to beat them into submission.

The experts will just want to submit since it is so intellectually frustrating and time wasting. They operate on another level at a higher speed of thought so they will concede to this slow motion torture so they can be excused and go on to live their life. WTH? God save the SA witnesses at trial ... I think everyone will end up with mental issues if they survive the onslaught.

It is Groundhog Day -- that's the Defense strategy and secret sauce. The secret weapon, face JB on and on or give it up.
 
Blabbering must be the new word for their defense?????????????? Considering that is all that they can do. Trying to belittle everybody all for the sake of the guilty party here who made a mess of so many lives in this disaserous case!!! She should be so ashamed of herself, but as we can see she is not!!!!!!!!!!Caylee, your day is coming.
 
You know for a very long time I have been confident that HHJS and following him HHJP had placed enough buffers in place to shield against any appellate issue of infective council. KC had to watch each hearing and make informed choices about her representation. The judges and the SA have been careful to nudge the defense to prevent outright shocking incompetence. Plus the defense has had what, a dozen lawyers? So no one should be able to effect the outcome to that degree.

But then we come to JB's performance in open court while examining and cross examining witnesses.

- He put an associate law partner from his office under oath, and while there attempted to pierce his own clients Attorney Client Privilege. Luckily caught and stopped by the Judge.

- He put a LE officer under oath for deposition, and while under oath attempted to pierce a separate LE case and investigation regarding himself.

- He put an LE officer under oath on the stand, and attempted to pierce Grand Jury secrecy through questioning. Once again luckily shut down by the Judge.

- He put the self same LE officer on the stand and got him to present previously unrealized testimony, above and beyond the officers dog testimony, that yes he was fully qualified to recognize the smell of death/human decomposition, and yes he had smelled it in that vehicle.

- While under the same witness cross he also questioned the witness into presenting a clear backing for the prosecutions theory of the crime Q"Well what could cause the false positive in the backyard?" A"well if someone had rested a dead body on the surface there and then took it elsewhere"

- With the state expert witness Dr. Vass on the stand, he managed to elicit not just the scientific information, but he interrogated Dr. Vass into providing some very human witness direct observations concerning the smell on the samples from the car. Then followed it up stressing that the edipocere found also contained THC. (ie Marijuana!)

This is just bumbling questionable actions with witnesses above and beyond the badgering, combative approach to opposing council and the judge. "No judge you're wrong!" Ummmm? Plus I think it is pretty clear to everyone that has been observing, even those that have been trying to keep Mr. Baez within the lines for trial, that he has very very clearly acted in bad faith before the court and his fellow attorneys. And this is one of the worst things that he can do as an officer of the court. (I am betting that the Florida Bar receives several letters today, including one from JA, one from HHJP, one or more from witnesses and a few from the knowledgeable journalists watching).

So now given this pattern of activity. Are we getting closer to the threshold where an Appeals court might more closely examine the situation? Or even in the near term is there a way for HHJP to more cleanly separate issues regarding the defendant from issues regarding the representation?
 
Faefrost, I also notice he "shushed" AS when she tried to speak to the judge and the judge permitted her to speak. Sending a clear message to all those watching, "This is MY case AS, butt out." That may not have been his intention but this is the way it came across to me. "I'm the man here, let me handle it."

Now I did notice that HHJP was very attentive while JA was questioning Dr. Vass and seemed very interested in what the doctor had to say. After awhile with JB's questioning of the doctor I noticed the judge, while obviously still listening, was distracted by the activities that were going on in either the gallery or at the defense table.

I found it difficult after awhile to listen to JB's questioning because it did not appear he was getting anywhere and especially with the compounds. I understood what the doctor was saying about the compounds from the gas and the trash bag can't be proved or disproved in terms of decomp. You know gas cans were in the trunk and she probably spilled gas to cover the smell but you can't say that the chemical that was present in the gas and is also present in decomp can be attributed to only coming from the gas.

And the trash bag had the napkin in it which showed signs of "grave wax" so once the grave wax is mentioned it's hard to think of it as anything less than grave wax. Most meat leaks blood not fat unless it is cooked. I would think fat changes once it is cooked.

Trying to confuse an expert when the expert knows what he is talking about leads one to believe that the person asking the question doesn't understand the answer or is not getting what he wants. I think the jury will like Dr. Vass and his squirrel story. lol I think JB better do some more practicing in front of the mirror. I don't think CM is up for this trial. It was wearing on me and I can turn it off.

jmo
 
I don't know if I heard this correctly or not and want to see if anyone else thought they heard what I did.

At some point in JB's questioning of AV he asks if AV recalls having a conversation with a Dr. or Mr.?? Weiss, but before he could answer I believe there was an objection that was sustained and AV never did answer that question.

At the end of the day when the DT was telling HHJP that they wanted to add some witnesses - I thought I heard the name of a Dr./Mr.?? Weiss. Could this be the same person that JB was attempting to bring up earlier in the day but got shot down? If it is the same person....I am wondering if DT is going to try and impeach AV with testimony from this Weiss person.

Does anyone know anything else about a Weiss and did others hear what I heard??

MOO
 
well....part of their strategy will be to try to use the drawings against the witnesses. JB calling a square on the paper the car and the witness saying, no that's the house. JB will say they lied when they signed the drawing.... Anything to try to discredit the witnesses.
 
I don't know if I heard this correctly or not and want to see if anyone else thought they heard what I did.

At some point in JB's questioning of AV he asks if AV recalls having a conversation with a Dr. or Mr.?? Weiss, but before he could answer I believe there was an objection that was sustained and AV never did answer that question.

At the end of the day when the DT was telling HHJP that they wanted to add some witnesses - I thought I heard the name of a Dr./Mr.?? Weiss. Could this be the same person that JB was attempting to bring up earlier in the day but got shot down? If it is the same person....I am wondering if DT is going to try and impeach AV with testimony from this Weiss person.

Does anyone know anything else about a Weiss and did others hear what I heard??

MOO
I listened to that part of the hearing again, and it appears there are more than 2 new witnesses added. JA mentions "the doctors" when talking about doing depos, AF says "our doctors", Dr. Danzinger and Dr. Weiss, then JA says there have been two notices filed to add new witnesses and he hopes to do depos "on at least two of them next week". So I am assuming 2 doctors and also the Boca Raton Prosecutor as previously discussed when the notice of additional witnesses hit the news. Anyhoo, here is an Orlando MD Weiss that seems to fit the ticket: His specialty in psychotherapy is unlocking past traumas that hold the key to recurrent nightmares and anxiety attacks. Guess they are going to try to explain the nightmares at TL's as evidence of past traumas?
http://www.brianweiss.com/

It could also be: http://www.drdonnaweiss.com/ Ft. Lauderdale. A forensic Psychologist

AF also mentions a Dr. Harry Krop who is already on the defense witness list for penalty phase.
He is on the jail visitor log recently
http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?llr=nxt475cab&oeidk=a07e3dwe5rq9d9fa199
 
I don't know if I heard this correctly or not and want to see if anyone else thought they heard what I did.

At some point in JB's questioning of AV he asks if AV recalls having a conversation with a Dr. or Mr.?? Weiss, but before he could answer I believe there was an objection that was sustained and AV never did answer that question.

At the end of the day when the DT was telling HHJP that they wanted to add some witnesses - I thought I heard the name of a Dr./Mr.?? Weiss. Could this be the same person that JB was attempting to bring up earlier in the day but got shot down? If it is the same person....I am wondering if DT is going to try and impeach AV with testimony from this Weiss person.

Does anyone know anything else about a Weiss and did others hear what I heard??

MOO

No, I don't think so. The Dr. Weis (sp?) that Dr Vass was referring to is a fellow forensic researcher, I believe from the University of Tenn. The other Dr. Weiss(sp?) mentioned as a new witness is one of AF's behavioral/mental state/"absolutely positively not mental illness or insanity" specialists. I think it is just a fairly common surname.
 
You know for a very long time I have been confident that HHJS and following him HHJP had placed enough buffers in place to shield against any appellate issue of infective council. KC had to watch each hearing and make informed choices about her representation. The judges and the SA have been careful to nudge the defense to prevent outright shocking incompetence. Plus the defense has had what, a dozen lawyers? So no one should be able to effect the outcome to that degree.

But then we come to JB's performance in open court while examining and cross examining witnesses.

- He put an associate law partner from his office under oath, and while there attempted to pierce his own clients Attorney Client Privilege. Luckily caught and stopped by the Judge.

- He put a LE officer under oath for deposition, and while under oath attempted to pierce a separate LE case and investigation regarding himself.

- He put an LE officer under oath on the stand, and attempted to pierce Grand Jury secrecy through questioning. Once again luckily shut down by the Judge.

- He put the self same LE officer on the stand and got him to present previously unrealized testimony, above and beyond the officers dog testimony, that yes he was fully qualified to recognize the smell of death/human decomposition, and yes he had smelled it in that vehicle.

- While under the same witness cross he also questioned the witness into presenting a clear backing for the prosecutions theory of the crime Q"Well what could cause the false positive in the backyard?" A"well if someone had rested a dead body on the surface there and then took it elsewhere"

- With the state expert witness Dr. Vass on the stand, he managed to elicit not just the scientific information, but he interrogated Dr. Vass into providing some very human witness direct observations concerning the smell on the samples from the car. Then followed it up stressing that the edipocere found also contained THC. (ie Marijuana!) This is just bumbling questionable actions with witnesses above and beyond the badgering, combative approach to opposing council and the judge. "No judge you're wrong!" Ummmm? Plus I think it is pretty clear to everyone that has been observing, even those that have been trying to keep Mr. Baez within the lines for trial, that he has very very clearly acted in bad faith before the court and his fellow attorneys. And this is one of the worst things that he can do as an officer of the court. (I am betting that the Florida Bar receives several letters today, including one from JA, one from HHJP, one or more from witnesses and a few from the knowledgeable journalists watching).

So now given this pattern of activity. Are we getting closer to the threshold where an Appeals court might more closely examine the situation? Or even in the near term is there a way for HHJP to more cleanly separate issues regarding the defendant from issues regarding the representation?

BBM: Wait, I missed this! Did JB say this or Dr. Vass? Could Caylee have eaten Pot and ODd?
 
No, I don't think so. The Dr. Weis (sp?) that Dr Vass was referring to is a fellow forensic researcher, I believe from the University of Tenn. The other Dr. Weiss(sp?) mentioned as a new witness is one of AF's behavioral/mental state/"absolutely positively not mental illness or insanity" specialists. I think it is just a fairly common surname.
AF didn't say they were not mental illness specialists, she just said that they were not claiming a mental health defense.
 
I have to agree with AZLawyer. The strategy is that she didn't kill Caylee, a tragic accident occurred, and then "Ugly Coping" ensued. So it isn't a mental health defense. The death didn't occur because she was insane or mentally deficient, but mental health issues caused her to cover it up, hence "Ugly Coping". She was too afraid to tell Cindy that Caylee died on her watch d/t her traumatic relationship with said overbearing mother, her past trauma also compounded by molestation in the family.
So ICA's the true victim here. :sick:

I think the whole family will admit to being the traumatizers, as ICA claims, to set her free.
I believe she will claim Caylee drowned and she put her in the trunk because she was afraid.
I believe the DT will be able to change the Zanny story by putting the Doctors on the stand who will state that ICA admitted to them that Caylee drowned and she put her in the trunk.
"You'll all say, oh now I get it, it makes sense now" or something to that effect, as stated per Baez.
I won't be surprised if they don't fight too hard on the heart sticker issue. They will have to explain the duct tape, so I would think they can weave the heart sticker into some kind of 'loving act'. She probably has given the Dr.'s an explanation for the duct tape as well, which will be for a disturbed/whacky/ugly coping but 'loving reason'...

I don't believe it was an accident.
 
BBM: Wait, I missed this! Did JB say this or Dr. Vass? Could Caylee have eaten Pot and ODd?

No, THC the active component in marijuana is absorbed into human fatty tissue and lasts a long time after exposure. Now its presence on the paper towels may indicate that the paper towels were simply exposed to a heavily pot smoke filled environment... but even the suspicion that the THC was found in the edipocere is damning for the defense. Because the clear implication is that it was present in Caylee's fatty tissues. ie Caylee had been exposed to a fairly substantial amount of pot smoke, if not been outright subjected to its direct use.

Yeah, the defense can try and claim that no, those paper towels were from TL's, and were exposed there. It may even be the truth in this case. But the juries minds will immediately look at Mom's partying behavior and lifestyle, look at some of the friends stories where Caylee was present, sometimes inappropriately at these parties, look at the simple fact that Caylee's whereabouts cannot actually be corresponded to any responsible childcare well before her disappearance and death. And will draw the mental connections to child at parties, child exposed to pot, pot used on child, something else used on child to sedate so mother can party. Chloroform.
 
I have to agree with AZLawyer. The strategy is that she didn't kill Caylee, a tragic accident occurred, and then "Ugly Coping" ensued. So it isn't a mental health defense. The death didn't occur because she was insane or mentally deficient, but mental health issues caused her to cover it up, hence "Ugly Coping". She was too afraid to tell Cindy that Caylee died on her watch d/t her traumatic relationship with said overbearing mother, her past trauma also compounded by molestation in the family.
So ICA's the true victim here. :sick:

I think the whole family will admit to being the traumatizers, as ICA claims, to set her free.
I believe she will claim Caylee drowned and she put her in the trunk because she was afraid.
I believe the DT will be able to change the Zanny story by putting the Doctors on the stand who will state that ICA admitted to them that Caylee drowned and she put her in the trunk.
"You'll all say, oh now I get it, it makes sense now" or something to that effect, as stated per Baez.
I won't be surprised if they don't fight too hard on the heart sticker issue. They will have to explain the duct tape, so I would think they can weave the heart sticker into some kind of 'loving act'. She probably has given the Dr.'s an explanation for the duct tape as well, which will be for a disturbed/whacky/ugly coping but 'loving reason'...

I don't believe it was an accident.

BBM

Neither do I..

But would a jury believe this was an accident?

Why would someone go to the lengths ICA did? She evaded her parents, she allegedly kept Caylee in the trunk of her car when one quick call to 911 with an EMS response could have never faced any charges..to make it appear as if Caylee was kidnapped, then finding her with duct tape over her airways removes that accident theory, IMO...the same for the jury, they may not see it the same way the defense spins this...and that's a huge chance to take on a life and death situation for ICA..JMHO

Justice for Caylee
 
Their strategy is all over the place and frankly more confusing by the day, but I sure am looking forward to:

"I sincerely believe when we have finally spoken, everyone -- and I mean everyone -- will sit back and say, 'Now I understand and that explains it", said Jose Baez.

Not sure how covering up every piece of evidence works towards understanding? I guess it remains to be seen...
 
But how? Caylee was not at TonyL's - she was dead by this time.

Maybe ICA had a stash of it at home to win over her new friends. Maybe she baked some brownies? I don't know, it's weird. Maybe ICA was high when she was wiping it with the paper towels....actually that sounds more likely.
 
BBM

Neither do I..

But would a jury believe this was an accident?

Why would someone go to the lengths ICA did? She evaded her parents, she allegedly kept Caylee in the trunk of her car when one quick call to 911 with an EMS response could have never faced any charges..to make it appear as if Caylee was kidnapped, then finding her with duct tape over her airways removes that accident theory, IMO...the same for the jury, they may not see it the same way the defense spins this...and that's a huge chance to take on a life and death situation for ICA..JMHO

Justice for Caylee

Yes, I find it hard to even get close to the idea that this young woman was so afraid of what her mother would say that it overrode her concern for her daughter's life and she did not call 911 or get her somehow to a hospital.

ICA was no paramedic or nurse - if there was an accident such as drowning - how in fact did ICA know for sure Caylee was in fact dead? People who have stopped breathing have been brought back to life so if this was an accident how and why did ICA make the decision first that Caylee was dead? Before duct taping her, bagging her and throwing her in a swamp like so much garbage? :banghead: What mother believes it when a doctor or paramedic tells them the child is dead? The response is no - so something else - you have to!

And ICA was so brazen in the rest of her personal life - I can't accept that a jury would buy the "confused fearful young mother" story at all.
 
Yes, I find it hard to even get close to the idea that this young woman was so afraid of what her mother would say that it overrode her concern for her daughter's life and she did not call 911 or get her somehow to a hospital.

ICA was no paramedic or nurse - if there was an accident such as drowning - how in fact did ICA know for sure Caylee was in fact dead? People who have stopped breathing have been brought back to life so if this was an accident how and why did ICA make the decision first that Caylee was dead? Before duct taping her, bagging her and throwing her in a swamp like so much garbage? :banghead: What mother believes it when a doctor or paramedic tells them the child is dead? The response is no - so something else - you have to!

And ICA was so brazen in the rest of her personal life - I can't accept that a jury would buy the "confused fearful young mother" story at all.
I hope not!!!:banghead:
 
Maybe ICA had a stash of it at home to win over her new friends. Maybe she baked some brownies? I don't know, it's weird. Maybe ICA was high when she was wiping it with the paper towels....actually that sounds more likely.

Well um er, while never admitting anything here you understand......:blushing: .......... I "understand" one's senses of smell and taste are heightened during "such episodes" so I can't imagine sticking your head in a trunk to clean up during decomp like that. :sick: Or any other time for that matter.
 
Casey Anthony's defense wants assistant state attorney to testifyBy Jacqueline Fell, Reporter
Last Updated: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:03 AM
ORLANDO --
The defense wants to call an assistant state attorney to testify in the Case against Casey.

Kenneth Lewis, a homicide prosecutor, is being added to the witness list for the defense.

Lewis is the prosecutor in the James Ward case, the Isleworth millionaire accused of killing his wife.

The defense said it has recently learned Lewis may have information concerning Anthony's right to due process.

more
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/new...nse-wants-assistant-state-attorney-to-testify

what is this motion to vacate...what are they up to???
http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/documents/motion-to-vacate-0322.pdf
 
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