George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General Discussion Thread #8

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Jane Jetson said:
I was disappointed to see that George's best friend's book title included the phrase "the most hated man in America." In my opinion, that is far from the truth. I admire Zimmerman for looking out for his neighbors, following the instructions of the police dispatcher, and I believe he told the truth when asked about what happened.

In my opinion, George was very shaken by what happened, especially the fact that Trayvon died. He didn't know it at the time, imo, and didn't know it until someone told him later, and was then shocked and appalled, imo. He seems like a decent person.

I daresay that many people in America admire him, and George Zimmerman isn't even close to the most hated man in America! :moo:
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Last night, it hit me. GZ said he wasn't even sure if shot TM...but his first words to the first responding officer were, "I shot him." IMO, I'm sure he knew TM hadn't moved since the gunshot...and he turned his back on TM and put his gun away. IMO, he did know TM was dead or almost dead.
 
Just K said:
Yesterday, I asked if anyone knew if GZ turned off his headlights when he left his car. Anyone?
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I think he said they went off after a few minutes. A bettery saving feature of the some new cars when you pull the keys I think.
 
ScarlettScarpetta said:
How? That he wanted to be a cop??

So people that become cops just fall into it? They don't plan it? Or study for it? Or desire it?

Silly... Just silly..

OMO
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My late husband was retired LE. I did not plan to become a deputy from childhood, I just one day decided I would try. I was the oldest female in the academy and made it. Had I waited a couple more years, I would have not been accepted due to the cut-off age. So some people do plan it for many years (like since childhood), and some people do just 'fall into it'. I lasted 10 years and my husband lasted 23.

MOO
 
I should know this by now, but here goes.

Is this jury sequestered?

Why did this come to trial so quickly, like compared to CA that took something like 5 years, same with JA and Rusty Abaroa, Brad Cooper, Jason Young. It seems like most murder trials take around 5 years before they start.

Is that because the defendants were trying to delay the start in those cases, and GZ wanted a speedy trial, as he is entitled? Or is it because of the difference in level of charges, 1st vs. 2nd?

Just curious. TIA.
 
Just K said:
Mantie (SP) was referring to a precedent set in another case...that case had an affair at issue...not GZ.
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If some very intelligent people here thought they were maybe going to try and say GZ was having an affair, then, in my opinion, the media is trying to obliquely introduce the idea, even though it doesn't apply directly to George Zimmerman, and are apparently having some success.

Despicable them...imo.
 
Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is a high standard. No way the prosecution gets there with this extraneous stuff, IMO.

Having said that...GZ's life is irreparably destroyed (yes, I know TM is dead, may he RIP).
After this trial, no matter the outcome, the Martins will sue GZ, win, since the standard is lower, and GZ will have a multi million dollar judgement against him (a'la OJ). He will be unable to work and actually make money, and any monies he receives for stuff related to the case will be taken away.

Really a no win situation all around, which is why this case is so so sad. IMO.
 
?noanswer said:
I'm not a verified lawyer, but Judge Alex was on HLN and he thought it should not be allowed. Said that it in itself probably wouldn't be reversible error, but in combination with other things that have been allowed, it could be.

JMO
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I think the defense is ready for this ruling. They will turn things around on cross.
O'Mara has been extremely good.

IMO
 
costalpilot said:
if the state is doing just fine, based on the critique of the TH's on TV, this would be the first time. and if the TH's are correct, ( that the state has ruined its case already), nothing it does from now on is gonna matter. you can't UN-RING the bell, as the lawyers learned to say in law school.

once you have created reasonable doubt in your own presentation, it isn't going away because you make a decent argument about peripheral matters, such as the what course the defendant studied a decade ago and trying ro prove the defendant wanted to be a law enforcement officer. OH thats a big win. He wanted to be a cop. Got ya.

imo
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That was just my opinion, coastalpilot. We just happen to be on opposite sides of the fence, IMO. Nothing wrong with that................:).
 
Chester_from_THM said:
I should know this by now, but here goes.

Is this jury sequestered?

Why did this come to trial so quickly, like compared to CA that took something like 5 years, same with JA and Rusty Abaroa, Brad Cooper, Jason Young. It seems like most murder trials take around 5 years before they start.

Is that because the defendants were trying to delay the start in those cases, and GZ wanted a speedy trial, as he is entitled? Or is it because of the difference in level of charges, 1st vs. 2nd?

Just curious. TIA.
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Yes

JMO
 
IMO, since the judge is letting in the evidence about Zimmerman's criminal justice schooling so the jury can understand him, they need to bring in Trayvon's fighting and school suspensions so the jury can understand HIM. In how many fights has he been? How many did he start? Did he treat his elders, like his teachers and principals, with respect? Did he obey the school rules?

I haven't read this whole board. Show me proof that Trayvon had a 3.67 GPA based on 4.0, not 5.0 or 6.0, for an "A," 3.0 for a "B," etc. The only way I can think of that he would have gotten a full scholarship when he had not even finished 11th grade would have been some type of athletic scholarship. If he already had an academic scholarship, I'd like to see the courses he was taking. Was he taking basic math, science, and English courses, or was he taking calculus, chemistry, physics, trigonometry, and AP English?
 
popsicle said:
Or that he knew about the SYG law...that matters how?? He didn't plan this out. imo
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IMO, he didn't plan the ending but may very well have planned to detain the next *advertiser censored**ing punk or a##hole.
 
Let's see, the state is going to use this information to try to have the jury hate RZ and believe he is a liar because:
1. He did well in his college classes (like many of us have);
2. Because of his major course study, he is well versed in police 'jargon' (which many of us can quote because of our fondness for CSI - in all of its variations and of following trials.

Wow, any of us could just as easily be railroaded in like fashion. Here's hoping the DT can turn this sow's ear into a silk purse. All is MOO
 
Chester_from_THM said:
I missed the testimony of GZ's friend. Was it Osterman? (sp?)

Seems odd that the pros would call him, anyone care to summarize the gist of his testimony?

I don't mean to incite an argument about whether the prosecution is doing a good job, just would like to know what point(s) were meant to be taken from it, without having to watch it all myself.

TIA
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My take on it was- this guy had a conversation with GZ about what happened that nite, then turned that conversation into a book, then everyone wants to say the because the same exact words were not used, as GZ used when he spoke to police and did the crime scene walk-thru, that GZ is changing his story. This guy was hot to get the book out before the trial ended, which to me is odd, if I wrote a book about it, I would want the ending to be the ending of the trial, the penalty, the aftermath. But it's not me writing the book, so....
I also think maybe this is to get GZ to testify, to refute that maybe he didn't say 'those exact words'.
He seemed to be telling the same story, with some of the minute details changed.
All this is JMO.
 
TexMex said:
I think the defense is ready for this ruling. They will turn things around on cross.
O'Mara has been extremely good.

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I agree. OMara is a masterful cross examiner. I have no doubt he will make the witnesses defense witnesses, as usual. IMO.
 
Chester_from_THM said:
I missed the testimony of GZ's friend. Was it Osterman? (sp?)

Seems odd that the pros would call him, anyone care to summarize the gist of his testimony?

I don't mean to incite an argument about whether the prosecution is doing a good job, just would like to know what point(s) were meant to be taken from it, without having to watch it all myself.

TIA
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Maybe they just wanted to introduce that title...imo. More likely - they got nuthin'. IMO.
 
missmazzy said:
How can this judge not allow the defense time to get more evidence based on the prosecutions presentation? That's IMO, reversible error.
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Because the defense should have been preparing for court instead of making media rounds, the judge is about her business she has no time for Omara's foolishness. IMO
 
Just K said:
IMO, he didn't plan the ending but may very well have planned to detain the next *advertiser censored**ing punk or a##hole.
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IMO - And knew exactly what to say to make his story stand up for a self defense/SYG theory.
 
If I was a juror I would be thinking...WTF?? Is this the same trial?
 
All I know is that I sure wish the state would put this much effort into trying real criminals. JMO. OMO. MOO.
 
wow the state is going all out on this line of inquiry.

the registrar for the CC.

they are going to show that the defendant desired to uphold the law.

that should swing the minds of the jurors to "hate, ill will" and all those RELEVANT factors in their titanic case.

I'm glad I'm not paying the SA's paychecks.
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