17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #27

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Karmady said:
haha..well, I didn't find anything addressing an arrest v. custody under SYG, but that's probably because it doesn't matter

By defining “criminal prosecution” to include the arrest, detention, charging, or prosecution of the defendant, the statute allows for an immunity determination at any stage of the proceeding. Created to eliminate the need to retreat under specified circumstances, the statute authorized the immunity determination to be made by law enforcement officers, prosecutors, judges, and juries. In enacting the statute, however, the legislature did not restrict the time frame for determining immunity, but rather provided a time continuum stretching across the entire criminal process.

~Reagon v. Mallory

So it looks like just by detaining GZ and taking him into custody the night of the shooting, SPD triggered the immunity provisions.

Thanks for your help :)
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Yes, for what you have figured out, it does not matter. But from what I learned, custody and an arrest are "usually" the same thing and I would like to explain a bit more.

We discussed this at length during the casey anthony trial. Twice it came up. Once was when the police briefly handcuffed casey and put her in the squad car before letting her out minutes later. Did that constitute an arrest triggering Miranda? The second was when she was being interrogated by LE in the room at Universal studios, which she went to, voluntarily, in a squad car after being handcuffed briefly.

The big issue under Florida law was whether or not she felt she was not free to leave and the mindset of the officers - whether or not they felt she was a suspect. The defense looked at the hard questioning of her and accusations.

All the lawyers on the board were worried. I remember when I first heard the taped interrogation, I kept thinking, "My gosh, when are they going to Mirandize her?" I thought the defense had a good argument and it bothered me.

Ultimately, the state won both arguments, but they were fierce.

In this case, Zimmerman wasn't handcuffed briefly and he did not go to the police station voluntarily. He went in cuffs.

So, if we have a Miranda issue in this case, I think we would have a huge problem because, IMO, the state won narrowly in the Anthony case and in this one, the circumstances are much more clearly an arrest.

But, I think he was Mirandized.
 
mommakk51 said:
No doubt EMS would have given him pain medication and possibly even something to treat panic. I did see him wobble and lean against a wall when they brought him in to SPD. He also had trouble getting out of the car.
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BBM

:moo::moo::moo: IMVHO, HUGE DOUBT that EMS would provide infield medications of EITHER type with a "REPORTED" head trauma! Liability of treating am unseen head trauma EVEN with negative in field neuro assessment would be wicked elevated for the authorizing M.D., most of whom value that itty bitty piece of paper :please::please: from the State, a license!
ALSO, and this is a "biggie": IF the patient is NOT coming in to the ER/ED for full assessment, providing "prescription-type" meds is VERY risky! AND DEFINITELY falls outside the med protocols (think: step by step cookbook of how to fix a certain medical situation) established by EMS supervising committees.

Again, NOT speaking for ALL med protocols!

PS: if needed, I'm sure some/many EMS rigs carry the good ole "brown paper wicked expensive bag" to assist those presenting with hypervent symptoms!! :truce:
 
Phoenixfla said:
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Right side looks like a laceration to me - JMO
 
HiHater said:
Not for long...:moo:
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But it was on the books on the night this happened. That's all that matters in THIS case.

They may change or get rid of SYG, but it won't change it for this case. And that's my point.
 
Concerned Papa said:
But "Follow Your Ground" is not.
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I've seen legal experts on both sides of the fence on whether SYG will be a defense for GZ.
Some say it applies. Some say it doesn't. I guess we will have to wait and see.
 
Adrienne37 said:
Well, well, well I see I was away for 3 hours only to come back to a "new" friend who has suddenly came forward after all this time to claim he has seen photographs of what Zimmerman looked like after he was beat to a pulp. Hmmm, wonder why it's taken him almost 2 months to come forward? As was the conversation for days and days and days about the credibility of Trayvon's little girlfriend, just exactly why didn't this man come forward in the days immediately following the injuries or seeing the photographs? I guess this friend will be like all of Zimmerman's other friends and associates? A tad bit of over-dramatization???



~jmo~
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I am trying to catch up this morning. The thanks button was not enough for comparing the gf's timeline being questioned to this "new" friend having pictures coming out almost 2 months later.
 
grandmaj said:
NO a paramedic would not give you anything without a doctor's orders. They work under the hospital licensure and that of the ER doctors. And, you would be in the back of the bus being transported. You wouldn't walk away.

I was a basic EMT. I could only administer two drugs under doctor's orders. Epinephrin and nitroglycerin. If there was a medic that came onboard I would set up the lines and get everything ready. Medical control had to authorize the drugs.
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katydid23 said:
My son is trained as an EMT, but has not been hired on yet. But he is NOT allowed to give any meds of any kind except for like an epi-pen for someone dying or oxygen. But when he did his ride alongs he was paired with a paramedic. And the paramedic is allowed to give some meds in emergency situations, IIRC.

eta: as said above, the paramedic would be communicating directly with the docs in the ER at the time.
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m00c0w said:
It all depends on the level of the EMT. EMT-Bs are generally glorified ambulance drivers. EMT-Is can sometimes give meds, while EMT-Ps are usually the ones responsible for administering drugs in the field.

ETA: I should note this may vary from state to state.
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joypath said:
BBM

:moo::moo::moo: IMVHO, HUGE DOUBT that EMS would provide infield medications of EITHER type with a "REPORTED" head trauma! Liability of treating am unseen head trauma EVEN with negative in field neuro assessment would be wicked elevated for the authorizing M.D., most of whom value that itty bitty piece of paper :please::please: from the State, a license!
ALSO, and this is a "biggie": IF the patient is NOT coming in to the ER/ED for full assessment, providing "prescription-type" meds is VERY risky! AND DEFINITELY falls outside the med protocols (think: step by step cookbook of how to fix a certain medical situation) established by EMS supervising committees.

Again, NOT speaking for ALL med protocols!

PS: if needed, I'm sure some/many EMS rigs carry the good ole "brown paper wicked expensive bag" to assist those presenting with hypervent symptoms!! :truce:
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pcrum12 said:
Right side looks like a laceration to me - JMO
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Just needed to add my two cents...

No sedatives would be given to a head trauma patient until they can be fully accessed by a neurologist...You can't be sedated until the doctors know what's going on inside his skull/brain...

That laceration is too far up toward GZ's crown...I've said this many, threads ago, if his head was repeatedly hitten on the concrete to the point of unconsciousness as RZJr, suggested, I'd expect the laceration to be closer or a few inches above the nape of his neck..not at the crown..

I believe he's embellishing his injuries to substantiate his use of force...or
1. He would have taken that ambulance ride to the hospital
2. I would expect him to not be able to walk with his hands handcuffed behind his back, while escorted to the police station...without staggering off balance..
3. How could he withstand a five hour interrogation, that same night of the fatal shooting? Had he had a TBI, he'd be falling half to sleep during his interrogation...

I believe GZ, being a criminal justice major, studied this law inside and out for he knew one day he'd being using his weapon..It's my belief that GZ's account of things are falling apart...his account did not match the evidence the SP, ACorey and her team uncovered..

The hardest hurdle for GZ will be his exicted utterances in those calls and he deemed TM a criminal, an ******* he was determined not to allow to get away..that will be hard to explain away...

I also believe GZ has lost his crediblity with his mini western dialogue of what TM allegedly said to him...if it doesn't make sense it can't be the truth...
 
Fla. Governor To Announce Gun Law Task Force
By the CNN Wire Staff

POSTED: 1:23 am EDT April 19, 2012
UPDATED: 8:08 am EDT April 19, 2012
(CNN) -- Florida's governor will announce Thursday morning who will be part of a task force that will look at the state's gun laws in the aftermath of the shooting death of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin.

In March, as outrage was growing about the shooting, Gov. Rick Scott said that Lt. Gov. Jennifer Carroll would lead the task force but he would also take time to choose some of the other members.

"After listening to many concerned citizens in recent days, I will call for a Task Force on Citizen Safety and Protection to investigate how to make sure a tragedy such as this does not occur in the future," Scott said at the time.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/30919450/detail.html
 
Meanwhile, Attorney General Eric Holder pledged Wednesday that the Justice Department, which is running a concurrent investigation launched three weeks ago, will “conduct a thorough and independent review of the evidence.”

“I know that many of you are greatly — and rightly — concerned” about Martin’s death, Holder said — “a young man whose future has been lost to the ages.”

Zahra Umansky, an attorney who represented Zimmerman on 2005 charges of assaulting an officer and resisting arrest after an incident in a local bar — charges which were later dismissed — recalled he was actively involved in his defense, more so than other youths at that age might be. “He was very concerned,” she said.

She characterized Zimmerman as having a tendency to not accept what he’s told at face value. “He wants to take things and find out what’s going on. … He’s curious,” she said.
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http://fox8.com/2012/04/11/george-zimmerman-charged-with-murder/

I wonder where that investigation stands at this point?

The bolded portion shows the 'inquisitive' side of GZ....I wonder if he will aide O'Mara with his own defense...He appears to be a knowitall....or wants to be in control of things...and it appears that fateful night with TM he wasn't in control....which is another reason this went as far as it did....

I meant to mention earlier when you all were speaking of GZs first appearance at his arraignment...

Did you notice what he was doing with his eyes..and when he saw O'Mara, how he looked up and down really quick...Is this supposed to be reflecting his alleged PTSD? The rapid eye movement...and it appears as if he was sizing up O'Mara...weird to say the least...:maddening:
 
daisy7 said:
Meanwhile, the Department of Justice will hold a community meeting in Sanford on Thursday night where the Community Relations Services will take comments and answer questions.

At least two city commissioners are expected to be there. The meeting starts at 6:30 p.m. at the Second Shiloh Missionary Baptist Church.

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/30921037/detail.html#ixzz1sUIpFR30
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2 out of 4 will be there, you would think that this would be important enough that the other 2 would Have to be there.
 
Emeralgem said:
Looks photoshopped to me..JMHO
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Considering the fact that NBC already fired two people (including a producer) over the 911 tape, I doubt a news agency would do the same thing again and 'doctor' a photo IMO.
 
LiveLaughLuv said:
http://fox8.com/2012/04/11/george-zimmerman-charged-with-murder/

I wonder where that investigation stands at this point?

The bolded portion shows the 'inquisitive' side of GZ....I wonder if he will aide O'Mara with his own defense...He appears to be a knowitall....or wants to be in control of things...and it appears that fateful night with TM he wasn't in control....which is another reason this went as far as it did....

I meant to mention earlier when you all were speaking of GZs first appearance at his arraignment...

Did you notice what he was doing with his eyes..and when he saw O'Mara, how he looked up and down really quick...Is this supposed to be reflecting his alleged PTSD? The rapid eye movement...and it appears as if he was sizing up O'Mara...weird to say the least...:maddening:
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I think it reflects someone who has had the world's spotlight on him for the past 45 days, making him out to be enemy number one. Most human beings wouldn't roll with the flow with that kind of attention.
 
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