State's Response to Order RE: Deposition Schedule

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Muzikman said:
This motion really PO's me big time. It was filed today; the 2 PREVIOUS motions the SA filed are also attached for reference. Sept 2009 and December 2009.

This, to me, REALLY proves that the defense gameplan all along was to put off doing all the necessary work until we, the taxpayers, were paying for it.

Meanwhile, they blew all their money on meaningless BS interviews and depos of Kronks ex-wives, and jail employees that witnessed Casey's meltdown on Dec 11, 2008, and other things I don't recall at the moment.

As a taxpayer, I am INCENSED.

:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:
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southernbrunette said:
You are so right!! I, too, am VERY MAD! :furious::furious::furious::furious:
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lisalei321 said:
I hereby request to join this club!

:banghead::furious:
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BBM
That has crossed my mind as well...
Request to join as well..
 
jennyb said:
If the judge doesn't crack down on this I fear we're in for a bumpy ride. Bullies push the envelope, trying to find ways to skirt authority.

I hope JB cannot be bullied.

I admit I am surprised that the defense has thumbed their noses at JB this early in the "new game". I'm stunned and upset.
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RSBM.

HHJP does not strike me as one to suffer fools, or bullies, lightly. (I think that's what we settled on for referring to His Honor, as JB=Jose Baez and JBP=Jay Blanchard Park...)
 
HHJP runs a tight ship, and lives up to his reputation of not suffering fools, very fair, organised, imo. I don't think for one minute he'll put up with any BS from either side. And watching him in action makes me think, oh, just try to bully him and see what happens!
 
Yes, I really respect this Judge. I just don't understand how the defense can defy his order so flagrantly. How do they think this will be received? If we know the Judge doesn't suffer bullies why don't they?

They're pushing it big-time.

What sanctions can the Judge put on them to make them comply? I think their game is... well, let's see what he does. If he fines them, so what? If he puts them in jail, so what? They can just cry foul that the Judge is persecuting their client via punishing them and making her look bad in the eyes of the public.

And after all... the state is trying to kill their client! The big bad judge is helping the state to kill their client!

Etc.

I just wonder how the judge is going to deal with this and hope he'll be immune to the defense outcry which will surely come if they're punished as they should be.

Anyway, I'll table my concern for now. I'm sure the judge knows more than I do and it's not his first rodeo with sleazy defense tactics. Thanks for responding all.
 
jennyb said:
The defense STILL has no respect for this court. I really thought things would be different but they're going down the same road with JB as they did with SS.

If they have a valid reason for not complying with the Judge's order and timeline then they should have told the court at the time or written a motion explaining why they cannot comply.

Waiting for the prosecution to have to announce why they cannot honor the schedule is just more game-playing. Of course the prosecution can't do it if they don't have what they need to set depos.

If the judge doesn't crack down on this I fear we're in for a bumpy ride. Bullies push the envelope, trying to find ways to skirt authority.

I hope JB cannot be bullied.

I admit I am surprised that the defense has thumbed their noses at JB this early in the "new game". I'm stunned and upset.
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I'm assuming you mean JBP or as we've started referring to him as HHJP (His Honor Judge Perry) so we don't get him mixed up with J. Baez or JB?
 
logicalgirl said:
I'm assuming you mean JBP or as we've started referring to him as HHJP (His Honor Judge Perry) so we don't get him mixed up with J. Baez or JB?
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Yes, I messed that up. I definitely didn't mean Baez.

I meant JP but didn't realize you all go with HHJP.

I don't comment here much.
 
Macushla said:
Well, I am not sure that this is going to go over well, but I will give it a shot. To my own horror, I find myself defending - up to a point- the defense. I know, I know, they have been idiots in a number of ways. However, having said that; their witnesses could not do their work or finish their work or even start their work until they KNEW what they were going to be working on. I will be the first to admit that I do not remember when the first scientific evidence started being released to the public. Let's take the autopsy report as an example. When was the final report released? Until that report was released the defense did not know EXACTLY what kind of experts they would need - aside from the obvious second opinion on the autopsy itself - until they knew what the report contained. Their plant specialist, trace evidence specialist, etc. Am I making myself understood enough here? Their experts could not get started until the State turned over evidence for them to examine and report on.

Do I think the defense delayed on purpose? Yes, I do, but we have to give their experts a little slack because their work only began when the State released the evidence and reports to them.
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:twocents:Your post is a perfect example of the inside workings of a case! The defense had ample opportunity to begin their case work with their client (as aptly stated in previous posts) but we ALL recognize the efficacy:waitasec: of that resource! and THE "pro bono" or "on retainer" experts more than likely DID begin parsing out details/theories/concepts/work product/reports(at least Werner Spitz, M.D. did!) before the discovery release.:snooty: You are absolutely correct in that they had no idea regarding the SPECIFICS that they would have to counter debate until the release of discovery and even after the release, some of those specifics are UNDEBATABLE! I'm ducking along with you because I think that Baez's inexperience HINDERED:banghead: the reality course of the defense progress but his business sense expedited the dollars to his purse. THOSE DAYS :woohoo:are history and he's getting a crash course in DP litigation, oh heck, he's getting a primary schooling in real courtroom procedures!:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:
 
Hi joypath, since you're in the professional same as Dr G, will her depo, taken by JB & crew be more concise than the report she submitted?

This is one of the depos I am interested in, Dr G being Caylees voice.
 
Muzikman said:
This motion really PO's me big time. It was filed today; the 2 PREVIOUS motions the SA filed are also attached for reference. Sept 2009 and December 2009.

This, to me, REALLY proves that the defense gameplan all along was to put off doing all the necessary work until we, the taxpayers, were paying for it.

Meanwhile, they blew all their money on meaningless BS interviews and depos of Kronks ex-wives, and jail employees that witnessed Casey's meltdown on Dec 11, 2008, and other things I don't recall at the moment.

As a taxpayer, I am INCENSED.

:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:
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Add me to the list of :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: taxpayers. If they don't reply this time though, they may not be allowed to use any witnesses at all at the trial. I have a feeling they will finally comply.... if they actually can.
 
jennyb said:
Yes, I really respect this Judge. I just don't understand how the defense can defy his order so flagrantly. How do they think this will be received? If we know the Judge doesn't suffer bullies why don't they?

They're pushing it big-time.

What sanctions can the Judge put on them to make them comply? I think their game is... well, let's see what he does. If he fines them, so what? If he puts them in jail, so what? They can just cry foul that the Judge is persecuting their client via punishing them and making her look bad in the eyes of the public.

And after all... the state is trying to kill their client! The big bad judge is helping the state to kill their client!

Etc.

I just wonder how the judge is going to deal with this and hope he'll be immune to the defense outcry which will surely come if they're punished as they should be.

Anyway, I'll table my concern for now. I'm sure the judge knows more than I do and it's not his first rodeo with sleazy defense tactics. Thanks for responding all.
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If they don't turn in a witness list those witnesses can be kept from testifying in Court during the trial. HHJB won't give them as much leeway as he did when they didn't give proper notice of the witness in this last hearing. That is why he has been making his deadlines so clear and giving so many warnings that both sides must comply with deadlines. The defense can't get by with this much longer I don't think but IMO their purpose was to wait until the taxpayers had to pay for any work required after they release their witness list so they will probably comply this time.
 
ETA: Sorry for repeating myself... I'm just so excited to see that this case may finally be moving forward and perhaps little Caylee will finally get the justice she deserves.
 
countzero said:
Hi joypath, since you're in the professional same as Dr G, will her depo, taken by JB & crew be more concise than the report she submitted?

This is one of the depos I am interested in, Dr G being Caylees voice.
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Hi count! Actually it depends if she's on the witness list! and.....I'm not sure I've seen her listed! As noted in the state's response, the defense could have been deposing the state witnesses throughout the past year since the state list was available (of course additional folks might be added!).
Now your question: in general, the depo is essentially the trial questions asked without a jury present, asked in depth if the questioning side chooses to get an idea how the info will be presented, (I will admit that I am BORING and DRY with a small audience, fired-up and "teacherish" IF the Judge will permit in front of the jury). This is the point where the scientific techniques are investigated but the otherside doesn't challenge, they save that for trial or it comes out in their depo. The "trick" to the depo process is to stay in character and on fact, avoid being "baited". There may be discussion regarding what displays will be presented to demonstrate the testimony and both sides may work out pretrial agreements over that material and sharing the dsplay material rather than duplicating. My best guess, this deposition will not be released before trial, tho.
 
joypath said:
Hi count! Actually it depends if she's on the witness list! and.....I'm not sure I've seen her listed! As noted in the state's response, the defense could have been deposing the state witnesses throughout the past year since the state list was available (of course additional folks might be added!).
Now your question: in general, the depo is essentially the trial questions asked without a jury present, asked in depth if the questioning side chooses to get an idea how the info will be presented, (I will admit that I am BORING and DRY with a small audience, fired-up and "teacherish" IF the Judge will permit in front of the jury). This is the point where the scientific techniques are investigated but the otherside doesn't challenge, they save that for trial or it comes out in their depo. The "trick" to the depo process is to stay in character and on fact, avoid being "baited". There may be discussion regarding what displays will be presented to demonstrate the testimony and both sides may work out pretrial agreements over that material and sharing the dsplay material rather than duplicating. My best guess, this deposition will not be released before trial, tho.
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Thanks .... you answered some of my inquires about it. I haven't looked at the updated witness list, but I cannot imagine Dr G not being on it. And the pre-trial agreements was great info. Thanks again for ALL you do, here and in your professional capacity.
 
jennyb said:
Yes, I messed that up. I definitely didn't mean Baez.

I meant JP but didn't realize you all go with HHJP.

I don't comment here much.
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Doesn't matter at all jennyb - and please post more - lots of times. I did much the same thing until I was asked ???? So just for fun we write HHJP because one of Casey's friends was also a JP and it gets confusing - no worries. And it happens to us all so don't be scared away. And not all of us do - it's just that the Judge is a heavy hitter and gets some "respect". LOL

:blowkiss:
 
Sooner or later HHJP is going to start this trial! As much as J Baez thinks he can delay & be obscure to finally tire everyone on the case,it won't work. The SA & his Honor are professionals. I don't know why J Baez doesn't comprehend, possibly he is in over his head. I think a new lead attorney should take over & some investigation in to the elusive $200,000 done. Taxpayers need to find the defense accountable. We are all conscious of how tight $$ is & how responsible our courts & the JAC have to be.
 
southernbrunette said:
You are so right!! I, too, am VERY MAD! :furious::furious::furious::furious:
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I am not even a Florida resident and I am incensed and appalled for you! This defense team is so utterly sneaky, manipulative, lying and lazy to boot. They are all about flapping their gums to the media and playing games at the expense of the Florida taxpayers. I certainly hope that once HHJP gets ahold of this he will put them right in their place!!! :furious::furious::furious:

Oh, and they cannot even proofread/ spell check their motions! I guess one could say that they are without a doubt unprofessional.
 
Schmerty_Jones said:
Sooner or later HHJP is going to start this trial! As much as J Baez thinks he can delay & be obscure to finally tire everyone on the case,it won't work. The SA & his Honor are professionals. I don't know why J Baez doesn't comprehend, possibly he is in over his head. I think a new lead attorney should take over & some investigation in to the elusive $200,000 done. Taxpayers need to find the defense accountable. We are all conscious of how tight $$ is & how responsible our courts & the JAC have to be.
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As a Florida Taxpayer, I want everything possible to be done to avoid a retrial due to an appeal. Since we're footing the bill for experts, why can't the judge appoint a public defender to "sit beside" JB and make absolutely sure that everything is conveyed to the client etc. etc. I'd rather pay the cost of a public defender NOW vs. a retrial.
 
niaa said:
As a Florida Taxpayer, I want everything possible to be done to avoid a retrial due to an appeal. Since we're footing the bill for experts, why can't the judge appoint a public defender to "sit beside" JB and make absolutely sure that everything is conveyed to the client etc. etc. I'd rather pay the cost of a public defender NOW vs. a retrial.
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BBM

Welcome to WS!!! :eek:


Niaa everyone wants that, even us folks who are not residents of Florida. But the defense can proceed to do this without flagrantly disrespecting the Florida taxpayers and wasting valuable time and money! Why not post your terrific question on the "questions for lawyers" thread?
 
Macushla said:
Well, I am not sure that this is going to go over well, but I will give it a shot. To my own horror, I find myself defending - up to a point- the defense. I know, I know, they have been idiots in a number of ways. However, having said that; their witnesses could not do their work or finish their work or even start their work until they KNEW what they were going to be working on. I will be the first to admit that I do not remember when the first scientific evidence started being released to the public. Let's take the autopsy report as an example. When was the final report released? Until that report was released the defense did not know EXACTLY what kind of experts they would need - aside from the obvious second opinion on the autopsy itself - until they knew what the report contained. Their plant specialist, trace evidence specialist, etc. Am I making myself understood enough here? Their experts could not get started until the State turned over evidence for them to examine and report on.

Do I think the defense delayed on purpose? Yes, I do, but we have to give their experts a little slack because their work only began when the State released the evidence and reports to them.
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I have to disagree. Considering there were defense experts (Henry Lee, the Bones Lady, a couple of others) at the scene on the day Caylee was found tells me they knew zactly what they needed...
 
The State told the Judge (in this Motion -
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868648...arding-Depo-Schedule-and-Motion-for-Extension )

that the ONLY people they are having trouble getting a depo scheduled with, are Crystal and Brandon S (Roy Kronk's ex wife and his son), and Laura B (the searcher who LE suspects may have falsified a TES search form). Page 1, paragraph 3 of this doc.

Interesting that Crystal S was soooooooo willing to email secretly with Leonard P. and dish dirt on Roy and tell Leonard that Roy told her, and his son, that Roy's girlfriend (works at the jail in a different building) had told Roy where Caylee's remains were, and Leonard stated numerous times on NG show, but now she and her son are resisting saying this UNDER OATH in a deposition.

Same with Laura B....... now she does not want to say what she said in her Affidavit, UNDER OATH in a depo, which the Defense is relying heavily on.
She said she searched the exact area and definitely states that Caylee's remains were NOT there.

Judge P has already said that if either side is having trouble getting people to do a depo, let him know, and they will get one courtesy phone call, after that he will give them a chance to let him know GOOD CAUSE why he should not hold them in CONTEMPT of COURT!
 
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