Mystery couple murdered in South Carolina, 1976 - #4

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I don't know if it helps, but I found out from a Bulova watch repairman that the watch is a 218 caliber Bulova Accutron, a later production than the 214, and earlier than the 219 caliber.

I say go ahead and get Arcand checked out because otherwise you'll always have doubts--so put an end to them!

I've been wondering how other than coming from a well to do family Jock may have come by his dental work. So I wonder, could he have been a veteran, and received the dental work while in the armed services? If he'd done a tour of duty in Vietnam, I feel sure the Army would've seen to it, that any dental issues would have been corrected before shipping him off.

Anyone have any other ideas? I mention this because this may be an additional route to helping find out who he is. It could explain why no dentist came forward to id their work.
 
Arcand's dental isn't matching up with Jock Doe's. Where Jock Doe has a porcelain crown, Arcand has the tooth missing. Also Arcand has his wisdom teeth.

Alberta Missing Persons:

Edward Arcand was last seen leaving his residence in Coleman on June 8, 1975. Arcand left his residence in Coleman driving his 1969 Ford Falcon stationwagon. On July 15, 1975 his car was found abandoned 50 miles north of Coleman on Highway 940.
• Howard Booth was last seen near Coleman, on July 17, 1977, Booth’s truck was located in the Kananaskis Country, 44 miles north of Coleman

It appears from where the two men's vehicles wound up, they may have been murdered by the same person.
Arcand is described as a small man too, and Jock is 6 ft. tall.

Bummer, I was hoping Arcand might really be Jock Doe.
 
Got a huge favor to ask of one of you sleuthers from SC. Can you find out if either old issues of the Sumter Item or any other newspaper there and the newspaper in Florence are on microfilm? It might help if we can read newspaper clippings on the case from when they were originally published. Perhaps the original articles may be of some use.

I'm not asking someone to go through any available microfilms, just find out if they exist.
 
justthinkin said:
Got a huge favor to ask of one of you sleuthers from SC. Can you find out if either old issues of the Sumter Item or any other newspaper there and the newspaper in Florence are on microfilm? It might help if we can read newspaper clippings on the case from when they were originally published. Perhaps the original articles may be of some use.

I'm not asking someone to go through any available microfilms, just find out if they exist.
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Have you ever tried this site: http://www.newspaperarchive.com/

It requires you to join, but it has an archive of newspaper records.
 
justthinkin said:
Fortier looks very much like the Jock Doe pic in the morgue with his mouth open. That pic really looks like a sketch to me and not an actual photo. I enlarged it, and I see shading on the cheek and around the mouth and chin that looks like it was done with a pencil. Also, the edge of the eye lids looks darker than they should if it was a photograph.

Can anyone verify whether or not the Jock Doe pic is a drawing or a photo? I'm really puzzled by how different the pic that I just mentioned looks as opposed to the retouched after autopsy pictures. They just don't look like the same person at all to me, and I have to wonder if it wasn't intentional.

I'm sorry if I'm posting too much. I'm just really obsessed with this case.
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I found two very good websites tonight that you might find of interest. The first link has a short video with pictures of Dr. Fortier from his youth all the way to his final years. Check out the one B&W pic of him as a young man and see if you cannot see a resemblance between him and Jacques. Here is the link: http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/Exhibitions/Medicentre/en/fort_video.htm

The second link has a few sections you can click on to find out biographical information on Dr. Fortier. Here is the link: http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/Exhibitions/Medicentre/en/fort_vit.htm
 
justthinkin said:
Got a huge favor to ask of one of you sleuthers from SC. Can you find out if either old issues of the Sumter Item or any other newspaper there and the newspaper in Florence are on microfilm? It might help if we can read newspaper clippings on the case from when they were originally published. Perhaps the original articles may be of some use.

I'm not asking someone to go through any available microfilms, just find out if they exist.
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I'm not in SC but I have a subscription to newspaperarchives.com. The Item isn't one of the papers available on there. :(
 
elliottness said:
I found two very good websites tonight that you might find of interest. The first link has a short video with pictures of Dr. Fortier from his youth all the way to his final years. Check out the one B&W pic of him as a young man and see if you cannot see a resemblance between him and Jacques. Here is the link: http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/Exhibitions/Medicentre/en/fort_video.htm

The second link has a few sections you can click on to find out biographical information on Dr. Fortier. Here is the link: http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/Exhibitions/Medicentre/en/fort_vit.htm
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elliott, is there anyway to make the screen larger on that small video? It's so small I really can't say whether or not as a young man, Fortier looks like Jock Doe.
 
justthinkin said:
elliott, is there anyway to make the screen larger on that small video? It's so small I really can't say whether or not as a young man, Fortier looks like Jock Doe.
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You can save the file to your computer as a Quicktime file. I think if you right-click on the video you can make it bigger.
 
elliottness said:
You can save the file to your computer as a Quicktime file. I think if you right-click on the video you can make it bigger.
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I don't know how to save the file. I right clicked on it, and couldn't enlarge it, and didn't see any save to option. I did put on my glasses though, and unfortunately I don't see as much of a resemblance between Jock Doe & a younger Fortier. Sorry.
 
justthinkin said:
I don't know how to save the file. I right clicked on it, and couldn't enlarge it, and didn't see any save to option. I did put on my glasses though, and unfortunately I don't see as much of a resemblance between Jock Doe & a younger Fortier. Sorry.
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My apologies. You can save it to your computer if you have QuickTimePro. However, when I look at the pics of Jock and Dr. Fortier, I get goosebumps. I really think there could be a connection here.
 
...the initials on the ring.......belong to a company, or perhaps the person/company whom made the ring.....only name i thought of was John Paul.....more french sounding and spelling for the first name.........the description of there skin had me thinking of the country of Peru.......all just MOO
 
elliottness said:
I found two very good websites tonight that you might find of interest. The first link has a short video with pictures of Dr. Fortier from his youth all the way to his final years.
Check out the one B&W pic of him as a young man and see if you cannot see a resemblance between him and Jacques. Here is the link: http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/Exhibitions/Medicentre/en/fort_video.htm

The second link has a few sections you can click on to find out biographical information on Dr. Fortier. Here is the link: http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/Exhibitions/Medicentre/en/fort_vit.htm
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elliottness, I think Jock looks a lot like Dr. Claude Fortier, who lived in Montreal Quebec Canada.
I noticed Dr. Fortier died in 1986.

Could the following Dr. Claude Fortier be Jock's baby brother or half brother ??
This Dr. Fortier got this Ph.D from the Univ. of Ohawa in 1984!

http://www.scrounge.org/speak/waveform/acoustic.html
 
Mysterylover said:
elliottness, I think Jock looks a lot like Dr. Claude Fortier, who lived in Montreal Quebec Canada.
I noticed Dr. Fortier died in 1986.

Could the following Dr. Claude Fortier be Jock's baby brother or half brother ??
This Dr. Fortier got this Ph.D from the Univ. of Ohawa in 1984!

http://www.scrounge.org/speak/waveform/acoustic.html
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I think that Jock looks a lot like Dr. Claude Fortier who died in 1986, too. Also, in one of the pictures when Fortier is a young man, there is a picture of a child sitting with him. The child could be a boy or a girl. Maybe it's Jacques as a little boy. I don't know. Then again, Jacques could have had siblings so the child in the pic could have been his brother or sister.
 
I found this article to be of some interest concerning the work load of police investigators:http://www.thestate.com/local/story/674755.html
Adding 42 investigators over two years would help reduce workloads to the national average of 372 cases per detective per year from the current average annual caseload of 1,268 cases per investigator, Carter said.
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So the national average of an investigator in the US is 372 cases per year, but as you can see from this article, in one SC city, the average annual caseload is 1,268 cases per year, per investigator. And you wanna know why cold cases get put on the back burner? :rolleyes:
 
WildHeart said:
I found this article to be of some interest concerning the work load of police investigators:http://www.thestate.com/local/story/674755.html

So the national average of an investigator in the US is 372 cases per year, but as you can see from this article, in one SC city, the average annual caseload is 1,268 cases per year, per investigator. And you wanna know why cold cases get put on the back burner? :rolleyes:
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Wildheart, You are correct for big cities like Columbia and Atlanta today, and in larger towns, but not for the smaller towns.

I Noticed this: 141 Taser stun guns, which the department does not have. Estimated cost: $206,604....What are they "gold plated"? Do the math!

Imo...when buying 141 stun guns, they shouldn't cost a penny over $500-$600.00 each...imo

These crime figures just doesn't apply for towns of less than a 100,000 people that I can find..

plus the LE are adding together ALL crimes small and large like robbery, & assaults, with the murders!... apples to oranges imo..

In 1976 in very small towns, many went for years without a single murder...:cloud9:
 
elliottness said:
I think that Jock looks a lot like Dr. Claude Fortier who died in 1986, too. Also, in one of the pictures when Fortier is a young man, there is a picture of a child sitting with him. The child could be a boy or a girl.
Maybe it's Jacques as a little boy. I don't know. Then again, Jacques could have had siblings so the child in the pic could have been his brother or sister.
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elliottness: I agree,
I noticed pictures of Dr. Fortier as a child with 3 brothers and sisters and the picture of Dr. Fortier being married.
I saw the picture of the young child sitting on his lap, which tells me he had at least one child and possibly more...
 
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