NY - Search for escaped convicted killers, David Sweat & Richard Matt, Dannemora #4

Boodles said:

I wonder if they have any antibiotics with them (I'm serious). They must have cuts, scrapes, blisters, bites from ticks and god knows what else. Maybe they'll get infections and die. And they must be sooooooooo extremely hungry. And if they're carting food, they'd have to worry about bears! It would sure be handy to have a Z-pak or two.

I would surrender if I was them, it sounds miserable. I just wish they were suffering with high temperatures (it's 100 here!), but I wouldn't wish that on the searchers.

I worry for people who will be opening their cabins there over the next days. I wonder how many peeps will decide not to go until the killers are located. You couldn't pay me to be in those woods with M&S on the loose.

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bfloxng69 said:

Quite frankly because I was Central Callout Clerk (computer operator) while at Wende Correctional Facility from 1994-2001 serving 15 to life for cocaine possession. I was released in 2003 and have worked at a criminal defense law office since. I am in frequent contact with inmates at all DOCCS prisons, and served time at Attica after Wende. There is no internet inside, period. Internet access is limited to the Guidance Unit where no inmates go unescorted and no inmates ever ever ever touch the computer there. If you get caught with a cell phone (for example) that hypothetically was thrown over the wall, you can expect 2-5 YEARS in the SHU. Having said that, every max prison allows prisoners to hang sheets for privacy (who wants to watch inmates use the toilet?). It's CO's discretion how long it can remain up. "Home cooked meals" is media BS. Every now and again a CO might give you his leftovers or, if you did a solid (such as cleaned up the CO mess area or were a block clerk), half of his sub sandwich. CO's aren't bringing home cooked meals in for anyone. In honor block there is usually a stove top or hot plate shared by anywhere from 17 to 60 guys and they can cook food. Raw meat is prohibited and the best you'll do is raw vegetables (See DIr. 4911 below). Does contraband get smuggled in? Yes, no different than anywhere. "Street" clothes are allowed in every prison, every inmate: http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Directives/4911.pdf (see A-5, A-6). Any type of uncensored communication with the outside is a HUGE no-no and will land an inmate in SHU for years and get the CO terminated plain and simple.

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bfloxng69 said:

Quite frankly because I was Central Callout Clerk (computer operator) while at Wende Correctional Facility from 1994-2001 serving 15 to life for cocaine possession. I was released in 2003 and have worked at a criminal defense law office since. I am in frequent contact with inmates at all DOCCS prisons, and served time at Attica after Wende. There is no internet inside, period. Internet access is limited to the Guidance Unit where no inmates go unescorted and no inmates ever ever ever touch the computer there. If you get caught with a cell phone (for example) that hypothetically was thrown over the wall, you can expect 2-5 YEARS in the SHU. Having said that, every max prison allows prisoners to hang sheets for privacy (who wants to watch inmates use the toilet?). It's CO's discretion how long it can remain up. "Home cooked meals" is media BS. Every now and again a CO might give you his leftovers or, if you did a solid (such as cleaned up the CO mess area or were a block clerk), half of his sub sandwich. CO's aren't bringing home cooked meals in for anyone. In honor block there is usually a stove top or hot plate shared by anywhere from 17 to 60 guys and they can cook food. Raw meat is prohibited and the best you'll do is raw vegetables (See DIr. 4911 below). Does contraband get smuggled in? Yes, no different than anywhere. "Street" clothes are allowed in every prison, every inmate: http://www.doccs.ny.gov/Directives/4911.pdf (see A-5, A-6). Any type of uncensored communication with the outside is a HUGE no-no and will land an inmate in SHU for years and get the CO terminated plain and simple.

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faw720 said:

If half of what we've heard about this prison was true, it was more a country club than a prison.

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Hope4More said:

Your version of prison reality is reassuring, and I hope accurately reflects what goes on. I was referring to a post here by someone very familiar with Clinton who has a different understanding about the laxness there. Given what we've been hearing from officials - and that isn't the whole story- I'm tending to think too many of the rules and safeguards you mention simply weren't in place at Clinton, whether internet was accessible or not. Hope that's wrong, or at least completely different since this fiasco began to unfold.

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epiphany said:

The same Source that told CNN that Tillie admitted to LE that she put the tools in the frozen meat a week before the escape & that the CO wasn't aware, also told CNN that Tillie approached the Admins and asked that Matt & Sweat be placed in cells next to each other. She vouched for them, etc.

And voila!

Tillie certainly wielded a lot of power and influence in that facility! Lol

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bfloxng69 said:

There are always inmates on the hustle who get some latitude. Sometimes, raw meat is "smuggled" from the mess hall (i.e., a guard looks the other way) and it's possible that's how hacksaw blades, etc., got in. But I can't imagine anyone serving time at Clinton calling it "lax."

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epiphany said:

The same Source that told CNN that Tillie admitted to LE that she put the tools in the frozen meat a week before the escape & that the CO wasn't aware, also told CNN that Tillie approached the Admins and asked that Matt & Sweat be placed in cells next to each other. She vouched for them, etc.

And voila!

Tillie certainly wielded a lot of power and influence in that facility! Lol

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MsFacetious said:

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Margaret Street closed from Court Street to Broad Street in Plattsburgh; no public risk, police said, but won't give details yet.

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corundogs said:

I am really so confused! I thought she was a civilian employed there...as a seamstress (supervisor or whatever).

How in the $#$% is she capable of making those kinds of requests, and having them carried out? Or have the ability to get hamburger meat in??

I am gonna need some answers. For real, for real!!!

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bfloxng69 said:

Trust me, it is not. No one "requests" to be transferred to Clinton. It is one of those places guards threaten to have you transferred to. I've heard the phrase "pack your ski boots" on numerous occasions, and no prisoner responded kindly. Probably considered the top 3 worst max general population facilities in the state, alongside Comstock (Great Meadow) and Attica.

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